| === IdleOne is now known as Guest21295 | ||
| === Guest21295 is now known as IdleOne | ||
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| mattt | *yawn* | 03:31 |
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| mattt | up for heathrow run | 03:31 |
| Jora | Hello. | 04:06 |
| mattt | Jora: yoez | 05:20 |
| hoover | good morning | 08:07 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 08:19 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 08:20 |
| mattt | morning morning | 08:23 |
| MooDoo | Rewatched the story of Lugradio last night, wonder how much it would take to persuade popey et al to do Ubuntu UK live :) | 09:07 |
| MartijnVdS | UKradio Live | 09:27 |
| MartijnVdS | well there's oggcamp | 09:27 |
| MooDoo | yeah i'm guessing that's going to be it isn't it :) | 09:28 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone. | 09:37 |
| === head_v is now known as head_victim | ||
| Knightwise | morning everyone | 09:53 |
| brobostigon | morning Knightwise | 09:53 |
| Knightwise | hey brobostigon how are you today | 09:54 |
| MooDoo | morning morning | 09:54 |
| brobostigon | Knightwise: on the tired side, but ok. and you? | 09:54 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 09:54 |
| MooDoo | how are you brobostigon | 09:57 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: on the tired side, but ok. and you? | 09:58 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: at work, thinking of doing something opensource related, don't know what though | 09:58 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: hmm, i am sure youi will find something. i am about to do a webkit build for haiku, managed to wpa2 working inside haiku yesterday, with a new wpa_supplicant build. | 10:01 |
| MooDoo | sounds cool. | 10:01 |
| brobostigon | will likely fail, but worth trying, | 10:03 |
| directhex | LDAP address books are totally broken in ubuntu 12.04 | 10:10 |
| directhex | i'd recommend not upgrading, if you need that functionality in evo | 10:10 |
| directhex | huh, possibly fixed by eds in precise-proposed | 10:26 |
| directhex | which makes no sense - the precise-proposed change does not affect address book, only calendar | 10:29 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| * penguin42 drops a pin | 11:36 | |
| MooDoo | oi i'm sleeping | 11:37 |
| MartijnVdS | WHAT? | 11:44 |
| jacobw | ldap address books are broken by design | 12:00 |
| jacobw | carddav is much better | 12:01 |
| jacobw | thunderbird doesn't support carddav :( | 12:01 |
| directhex | thunderbird is a basic mail client, with some toy addins to pretend it isn't | 12:02 |
| directhex | i'm not deploying it in my company | 12:02 |
| jacobw | what isn't a basic mail client? | 12:02 |
| brobostigon | mutt ? | 12:03 |
| directhex | evo is in the "office" section of thegnome 2 menu, not "internet" :p | 12:10 |
| jacobw | are these not the same thing now? | 12:17 |
| directhex | heh | 12:17 |
| jjavaholic | #ubuntu | 12:27 |
| MooDoo | jjavaholic: you missed of the /join? ;) | 12:28 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps :) | 12:33 |
| AlanBell | morning | 12:35 |
| AlanBell | uds starts today | 12:35 |
| bigcalm | On what should be a day off | 12:36 |
| AlanBell | yeah, I miss a bank holiday | 12:36 |
| bigcalm | Do you give yourself bank holidays normally? | 12:36 |
| bigcalm | I say it should be a day off, yet here I am in the office :( | 12:42 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: don't you also sleep there? :) | 12:50 |
| penguin42 | AlanBell: Don't you just nominate another convenient day to replace it? | 12:50 |
| MartijnVdS | he's at uds.. doesn't that count? :) | 12:52 |
| penguin42 | hmm that's neat - on my desktop I clicked on a link to an android app and it shows 'This app is compatible with your Orange ZTE Blade' | 12:52 |
| bigcalm | MartijnVdS: sometimes I wonder. Last night I was coding on the laptop in the sitting room until 1.45am. Hayley had long since gone to bed | 12:53 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: yay on-line android market :) | 12:54 |
| MartijnVdS | or "play" as it's called now? | 12:54 |
| bigcalm | I was surprised that it took so long to get a decent web interface | 12:55 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: It's a pity - I liked the old play photo story viewer | 12:55 |
| bigcalm | Grrrr | 12:56 |
| bigcalm | Still geting crontab emails from logrotate | 12:57 |
| bigcalm | Not a happy chappy | 12:57 |
| MartijnVdS | disk full? | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | Newp | 12:58 |
| bigcalm | http://paste.ubuntu.com/973483/ | 13:00 |
| MartijnVdS | post-rotate script | 13:03 |
| MartijnVdS | like.. restarting mysqld? | 13:03 |
| * bigcalm shrugs | 13:07 | |
| bigcalm | It's whatever got installed :) | 13:07 |
| christel | gordonjcp: thank you <3 | 13:09 |
| * bigcalm hugs christel silly | 13:13 | |
| bigcalm | Well, sillier | 13:13 |
| MooDoo | christel, hello my love <3 | 13:15 |
| MartijnVdS | ctrl+shift+u 2665 <space> | 13:17 |
| bigcalm | Oh, that's fund :) | 13:25 |
| bigcalm | -d | 13:25 |
| penguin42 | hmm, now how long will it take us to learn Unicode? | 13:26 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: Timer starts.. NOW | 13:27 |
| penguin42 | bah, the fonts don't seem to have the clock face characters | 13:31 |
| penguin42 | (01f551-67) | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | that's because it's (a) unicode 6 and (b) screen eats Unicode 6 chars | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | (also the emoticons) | 13:33 |
| penguin42 | there are different version of Unicode? | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | Unicode gets upgrades every few years | 13:34 |
| MartijnVdS | new characters, with associated rules ("is it a letter?" info, sort order, etc.) | 13:34 |
| penguin42 | other than sort order, which I can understand, what rules does something that just has to enter the characters need to know about? | 13:35 |
| cliftonts | Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with a problem installing wine? | 13:40 |
| MartijnVdS | What's the problem? | 13:41 |
| cliftonts | I'm running precise and whatever version I try to install it drags wine1.4 down with it. | 13:41 |
| MartijnVdS | sounds good | 13:42 |
| cliftonts | The only version that works for me is wine1.2 though | 13:42 |
| directhex | cliftonts, what version do you want? | 13:42 |
| cliftonts | sudo apt-get install wine1.2 | 13:42 |
| cliftonts | The following extra packages will be installed: | 13:42 |
| cliftonts | wine-gecko1.4 wine1.4 wine1.4-common wine1.4-i386 | 13:42 |
| directhex | cliftonts, wine 1.2 is not in precise at all - the wine1.2 package is a metapackage which depends on wine 1.4 | 13:42 |
| penguin42 | I think the 1.2 is just a dummy | 13:42 |
| cliftonts | Ok, so how does one play pokerstars on Precise? | 13:43 |
| directhex | wine1.2 | 1.4-0ubuntu4 | precise/universe | amd64, i386 | 13:43 |
| penguin42 | haha | 13:44 |
| penguin42 | cliftonts: So, what happens when you try it under 1.4 ? | 13:44 |
| cliftonts | wine1.2 is the only version of wine that works. 1.3 crashes every 3 minutes like clockwork and 1.4 or 1.5 won't allow it to connect to the remote server | 13:44 |
| directhex | http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2899 ? | 13:45 |
| penguin42 | cliftonts: You can grab the wine1.2 packages out of the repositories manually if you need to - not sure if they'll actually work on PP | 13:45 |
| penguin42 | directhex: 1.4 seems to be noticably missing | 13:46 |
| cliftonts | I wonder what's changed to make it not work | 13:46 |
| penguin42 | they'll have been lots of changes | 13:46 |
| directhex | penguin42, it's just down to what useful bug reports end users have filed. gaps mean people don't bother filing reports | 13:46 |
| cliftonts | The natural assumption is that things should work better in later versions. I can assure you poker clients don't | 13:47 |
| penguin42 | cliftonts: Well they should, but programmers are human, so bugs happen | 13:48 |
| cliftonts | Naturally. How do I go about reporting these effects to the right people? | 13:48 |
| penguin42 | cliftonts: In a terminal, run ubuntu-bug wine1.4 and see what happens, assuming you have a launchpad account | 13:49 |
| cliftonts | I'll have to do that later, it's not installed right now and I'm only on a 3g dongle with limited data. Thanks for that one though. | 13:50 |
| cliftonts | Thanks guys. I'm off to shout at the poker client. It won't do any good but it may make me feel better! | 13:52 |
| Nafallo | Ng: when are you planning to release Terminator for Windows 7? | 13:58 |
| bigcalm | Can you have a split view in terminals? That is, 2 sessions in one view? I have 2 tabs but would like to see the content at the same time | 14:08 |
| penguin42 | bigcalm: You can in konsole | 14:10 |
| bigcalm | Pendulum: not about to run kde :) | 14:11 |
| Pendulum | bigcalm: tab fail :P | 14:12 |
| * penguin42 swings back and hits bigcalm | 14:12 | |
| bigcalm | Pendulum: my statement still stands, even if it wasn't meant to be directed back at you ;) | 14:12 |
| * bigcalm hugs Pendulum | 14:13 | |
| * Pendulum hugs bigcalm | 14:13 | |
| bigcalm | People complain about BigRedS and me. Yet we're not the only 3 letter similar nicks in here :P | 14:13 |
| bigcalm | penguin42: no offence, but I like that Pendulum is the 1st for my pen<tab> auto-complete ;) | 14:14 |
| penguin42 | hmph | 14:14 |
| bigcalm | Pendulum: how's UDS? | 14:15 |
| Pendulum | bigcalm: not quite started yet. And I was exhausted so last night was an early night | 14:15 |
| bigcalm | h | 14:16 |
| bigcalm | Ah | 14:16 |
| bigcalm | Wah, netbeans has stopped responding | 14:20 |
| bigcalm | Time to play minecraft then | 14:20 |
| SuperEngineer | a'noon folkies | 14:52 |
| MooDoo | hullo | 14:53 |
| SuperEngineer | o/ MooDoo | 14:56 |
| SuperEngineer | Q/ I'm using Feh [a cli image viewer] to replicate the old "Pictures Folder" screensaver. [using feh -rzZFYD7 /home/[me]/Pictures] | 15:14 |
| SuperEngineer | ...anyway to set a cron job to start it automatically after x amount of time of idle kbd/mouse? | 15:14 |
| penguin42 | isn't teasier just to install xscreensaver? | 15:21 |
| penguin42 | ^teasier^it easier | 15:21 |
| cocoa117 | can you do soft link to the user's home directory? so it can be located elsewhere then default /home? | 15:22 |
| cocoa117 | i keep getting permission issue when login | 15:23 |
| bigcalm | When adding a user, you can have the home directory be something other than in /home | 15:24 |
| bigcalm | -m I think | 15:24 |
| bigcalm | Or -d | 15:24 |
| cocoa117 | bigcalm, en, it's too late for that | 15:25 |
| cocoa117 | i guess i have to manually modify the /etc/passwd file? | 15:25 |
| bigcalm | cocoa117: usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username | 15:26 |
| cocoa117 | bigcalm, sure, i just realised it is one option | 15:27 |
| Ng | Nafallo: I think we should wait for WIndows 8 and make it a Metro app! | 15:38 |
| Nafallo | Ng: well, I need it yesterday. putty is just killing me :-P | 15:40 |
| Ng | Nafallo: you'd better get hacking then :) | 15:42 |
| Ng | it might work in some kind of cygwin stack | 15:42 |
| Ng | if you can get python and gnome-terminal running therein, you should be good | 15:42 |
| Nafallo | meh... bother. | 15:42 |
| Nafallo | I'll just wait for Terminator Salvation... | 15:42 |
| directhex | gnome stuff tends to be a bit squiffy on windows. lots of daemons are expected. gnome-session-gorilla and dbus and so on | 15:43 |
| Nafallo | guerilla | 15:43 |
| * penguin42 thought Gnome was based on monkeys | 15:53 | |
| AlanBell | http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ live stream from UDS | 16:06 |
| MooDoo | cheers AlanBell | 16:10 |
| penguin42 | that's actually impressively good quality | 16:11 |
| AlanBell | it is jono's introduction for 15 minutes or so then he will hand over to Mark Shuttleworth | 16:13 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 16:17 |
| MooDoo | czajkowski: yay you made it safetly :) | 16:17 |
| czajkowski | yup | 16:18 |
| czajkowski | all good :) | 16:18 |
| bigcalm | Would be nice if the block would disappear if there was nothing to show in it | 16:18 |
| czajkowski | no slides | 16:19 |
| AlanBell | there will be slides in a bit I think, they switched to sabdfl.pdf or something a sec ago | 16:19 |
| bigcalm | This is amazingly good quality | 16:21 |
| AlanBell | slide now? | 16:21 |
| AlanBell | orange pangloin | 16:21 |
| bigcalm | Aye | 16:21 |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42: sorry - I was away looking at AskUbuntu | 16:22 |
| SuperEngineer | penguin42: I didn't go down the xsc route in case it fouled up unity | 16:22 |
| SuperEngineer | [there's also the statement : Canonical provides critical updates for Automatic screensaver for X until October 2013. | 16:25 |
| unconference | I notice that there are some issues with the nvidia drivers in 12.04 | 16:25 |
| SuperEngineer | which is a clue [to me] it may be bad in 12.04 - anybody know for sure if ok or not? | 16:26 |
| unconference | I had to uninstall nvidia-current to be able to see anything coherent | 16:26 |
| SuperEngineer | ...all I want is my photos as a screensaver, nothing else | 16:26 |
| bigcalm | Is that popey in the front row? | 16:26 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: the bald patch on the left (stage right) you mean? :) | 16:27 |
| * MartijnVdS runs | 16:27 | |
| popey | bigcalm: no, i am at the back with AlanBell | 16:28 |
| bigcalm | popey: ah, hiding with your laptops :D | 16:29 |
| SuperEngineer | watchin the vid... oh no... he said "empoer people" - what next - thinking "outside the box"? | 16:30 |
| popey | hah | 16:30 |
| SuperEngineer | *empower | 16:30 |
| * penguin42 assumes popey and alanbell are playing buzzword bingo | 16:30 | |
| popey | hah | 16:30 |
| AlanBell | :) | 16:30 |
| unconference | computers empowering people these days is a novel concept | 16:30 |
| ali1234 | true | 16:31 |
| unconference | much of the trend seems to be in the opposite direction | 16:31 |
| ali1234 | well it depends how you define "empowering" | 16:31 |
| unconference | true | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | i mean apple certainly empowered a lot of shovelware developers | 16:32 |
| ali1234 | so really it depends how you define "people" | 16:32 |
| unconference | shovelware? | 16:33 |
| ali1234 | you probably know it by the marketing term, "apps" | 16:33 |
| unconference | ah yes | 16:34 |
| unconference | Centralized app stores are convenient, but they also give the mediator a lot of power | 16:35 |
| ali1234 | it's not about the store as such | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | except that everyone measure the appstore by the number of apps | 16:36 |
| unconference | which is silly | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | which means the owners just encourage everyone to make hundreds of identical games etc | 16:36 |
| ali1234 | so everything about every app store is abut how easy it is to develop, how easy the apis are, how easy to upload etc | 16:37 |
| ali1234 | but usually they are only easy if you are building trivial shovelware ie a rss feed disguised as an app | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | hmm what's this? | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | oh way to put a huge caption box over... whatever that is | 16:38 |
| ali1234 | crowd does not sound like they are up for it | 16:39 |
| AlanBell | it is a box \o/ woot | 16:40 |
| bigcalm | Sounds like he's reading a marketing script | 16:40 |
| AlanBell | looks like a crate of raspberry pis | 16:41 |
| ali1234 | this is the most boring surprise ever | 16:41 |
| penguin42 | oh, the calxeda stuff | 16:42 |
| bigcalm | Why do people in America applaud to anything and everything? | 16:42 |
| gordonjcp | cheerleader mentality | 16:42 |
| bigcalm | Is the goatse logo on the board behind Mark? | 16:43 |
| * AlanBell gets leotard and pompops out | 16:43 | |
| AlanBell | pompoms | 16:43 |
| AlanBell | pompoms | 16:43 |
| bigcalm | Awesome! | 16:43 |
| AlanBell | gah, lag | 16:44 |
| penguin42 | you'd hope they would hold a cloud summit somewhere weater | 16:44 |
| SuperEngineer_ | woops - lost t'internet then - I blame the conference vid ;) | 16:45 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: have you been cringing each time Mark says Awesome? | 16:45 |
| bigcalm | The HUD is not innovative :( | 16:46 |
| unconference | It's a little innovative | 16:46 |
| unconference | I would like to see some natural language parsing in the HUD also | 16:47 |
| AlanBell | ooh, that is quite interesting | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: you're such a grump today | 16:47 |
| czajkowski | bigcalm: it's a bank holiday get off irc and go for a walk and fresh air | 16:47 |
| ali1234 | that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen | 16:47 |
| bigcalm | czajkowski: I was working to 1.45am last night and most of this afternoon so far | 16:47 |
| AlanBell | that new hud is going to be even less accessible than the current hud | 16:48 |
| bigcalm | I want to, but this code isn't going to write itself | 16:48 |
| SuperEngineer_ | ooo - gimp 2.8 - that's awesome | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | is the idea to put everything in the top left corner of the screen and then just leave the other 3/4 blank or what? | 16:48 |
| bigcalm | There goes the stream again | 16:48 |
| penguin42 | the video player has an odd behaviour; if the stream drops and I hit play it restarts where it previously started at | 16:48 |
| bigcalm | popey is that legend | 16:48 |
| ali1234 | unity it probably the most cluttered desktop i have ever seen | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | well, the top left corner of it is | 16:50 |
| unconference | The top left is busy | 16:50 |
| SuperEngineer_ | ali1234: you need to throw a can a can of Carlsberg at the monitor... | 16:52 |
| SuperEngineer_ | then it'll probably be the best ;) | 16:53 |
| SuperEngineer_ | [the best clutered...] | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | AW | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | what's he saying? | 16:53 |
| popey | he's talking about dell xps | 16:54 |
| popey | dell have a project to bring devops back to 'pc' from osx | 16:54 |
| popey | where 'pc' is a swishy looking laptop running Ubuntu | 16:54 |
| bigcalm | What it in a case or box? It looked very large | 16:57 |
| MartijnVdS | hmm | 16:57 |
| bigcalm | Are all the think pad owners now sad that they don't have the same machine as Mark? | 16:57 |
| directhex | a cray x5m | 16:57 |
| SuperEngineer_ | bbs - switchin back to broadbad [BT couldn't cope with stream - had to use 3G] | 16:57 |
| czajkowski | gord: ping | 17:25 |
| brobostigon | !info vlc unstable | 17:26 |
| lubotu3 | vlc (source: vlc): multimedia player and streamer. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.1-4 (unstable), package size 1359 kB, installed size 3351 kB | 17:26 |
| ali1234 | why is this thing specifically targeted at developers? | 17:43 |
| ali1234 | i mean... what about it makes it good for developers? | 17:43 |
| AlanBell | UDS you mean? | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | no... project sputnik | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | you know the more i think about that "future hud" image the more stupid it seems | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | how are we supposed to operate those sliders and knobs with the keyboard? | 18:17 |
| AlanBell | yeah, indeed | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | which means accessibility is broken again | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | the whole argument for unity so far has been "keyboard fast mouse slow" and "i hate having to take my hands off the keyboard" | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | but if you use a tool like gimp you hate having to take your hands off the mouse | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | and so you probably hate unity and especially the hud | 18:18 |
| popey | but you're gonna take your hands off the kb to use those tools anyway without hud | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 18:19 |
| popey | so it makes no difference | 18:19 |
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| popey | its just bubbling up the ui to the hud | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | if you are doing GRAPHICAL work you probably are not using the keyboard *at all* | 18:19 |
| popey | i dont agree with that | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | so this whole "having t move from keyboard to mouse" argument does not apply at all | 18:19 |
| popey | having watched someone use photoshop for 4 hours yesterday | 18:19 |
| popey | one hand on the mouse (actually a wacom tablet) and one hand on the keyboard | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | so were they slowly typing "z - o - o - m" with their left hand? | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | or were they just using the zoom tool with the mouse? | 18:20 |
| popey | they were using keyboard shortcuts | 18:20 |
| SuperEngineer | question re accesibilty - is it easier to use the mouase or the keyboard - if answer is mouse - a serious rethink is needed | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | (pointing device) | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | the hud has nothing at all to do with keyboard shortcuts | 18:21 |
| AlanBell | SuperEngineer: everything needs to be keyboard navigable and focussable | 18:21 |
| AlanBell | like the shortcut overlay isn't | 18:21 |
| SuperEngineer | ....someone is beginning to understand my point | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | AlanBell has been pushing for accessibility for as long as i can remember :) | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | which admittedly is not very long | 18:29 |
| SuperEngineer | way forward [for some] = voice intrface. say "hud", say "clear history" - oooh - would be nice | 18:31 |
| SuperEngineer | ...also way forward for when feeling lazz ;) | 18:32 |
| SuperEngineer | *lazy | 18:32 |
| SuperEngineer | anyway [warning, "too much info" time coming up...] me go have bath - see youz all later | 18:33 |
| penguin42 | "hud - terminal, rm -rf / enter" | 18:36 |
| SuperEngineer | "hud - terminal, rm -rfi / enter / fall asleep" | 18:40 |
| zleap | hi | 19:33 |
| popey | hello zleap | 19:34 |
| zleap | hello | 19:34 |
| zleap | are is lubuntu still an official release | 19:35 |
| zleap | ok how do i get ubuntu to tell me how much ram I have | 19:36 |
| DJones | zleap: cat /proc/meminfo Look at the top line MemTotal | 19:37 |
| zleap | i got it, system info in settings too | 19:38 |
| DJones | Or less typing "free" | 19:38 |
| zleap | 1802684 kB | 19:38 |
| zleap | so that is 1.8 gb, i know I have 2gb in total so i guess the missing memory is somewhere | 19:39 |
| popey | 20:35:04 < zleap> are is lubuntu still an official release | 19:40 |
| popey | yes | 19:40 |
| DJones | Looks right, what graphics card do you have? If its got shared memory, that would explain the difference | 19:40 |
| zleap | yeah | 19:40 |
| zleap | i think it has | 19:40 |
| zleap | i am looking at lubuntu as a option | 19:40 |
| ali1234 | no | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | system info claims i have 15.7GB | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | GiB | 19:41 |
| zleap | there seems to be discrepencies somewhere | 19:41 |
| zleap | GIB = GB i think, i never know where to use caps and when not to these days | 19:41 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | it's doing free -m and then dividing it by 1024 | 19:42 |
| ali1234 | which gives 15.673 | 19:42 |
| zleap | ah | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | but free -m uses megabytes and not mebibytes | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | i will report a bug | 19:43 |
| zleap | what is mebibytes | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | unless someone else knows better what is going on | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | mebibytes = 1000000 bytes | 19:43 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: powers-of-2 megabytes | 19:43 |
| zleap | ah | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | er | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | megabytes = 1000000 bytes | 19:43 |
| ali1234 | mebibytes is "the other one" | 19:43 |
| zleap | 1024 | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | 1024*1024 | 19:44 |
| zleap | 1024 = 1kb | 19:44 |
| zleap | 1mb= 1024*1024 | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | 1kib | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | 1mib | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | hmm wait, even weirder | 19:44 |
| zleap | so is this to make it easy for non computer users, thinking 1024 as 1000 | 19:44 |
| ali1234 | free -b / 1024^3 = 15.674 | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: "Hard disk" MBs = 10000000 | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: "Memory" MBs = 1024 * 1024 | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | so free in fact is not using megabytes like it says it is | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: "Memory" = MiB | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: HD = MB | 19:45 |
| ali1234 | so both free and sysinfo are using powers of 2 | 19:47 |
| zleap | ok according to the side of my computer i have 2gb ram | 19:47 |
| ali1234 | so where did the other 300mb go? | 19:47 |
| zleap | free -g shows Mem: 1 1 0 0 0 0 | 19:47 |
| zleap | total 1 | 19:48 |
| zleap | i will check in the bios | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: there's dmidecode (on PC) | 19:48 |
| zleap | ok | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | zleap: that will usually list the memory modules | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | because free always rounds down | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | well "things" get used | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | like the first MB is "Special" | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | kernel uses 300mb these days? | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | depends on the kernel | 19:49 |
| ali1234 | i didn't think ubuntu kernel was that bloated... | 19:50 |
| zleap | that command is useful | 19:50 |
| zleap | now why can't sysinfo just display the output from that | 19:50 |
| directhex | mibibytes! | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: mebibytes | 19:53 |
| directhex | moobybites! | 19:53 |
| directhex | kibinibbles. | 19:53 |
| MartijnVdS | Egg McMooby Muffin? | 19:54 |
| DJones | Tribbles ? | 19:55 |
| SuperEngineer | [free -g lies, free on its own has a more honest description, free nelson mandela returns "done"] | 19:56 |
| SuperEngineer | ;) | 19:57 |
| ali1234 | the only one that actually maches what the man pages says is free -b | 19:57 |
| ubuntuuk-planet | [Tony] Come to OggCamp 12 - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/05/07/come-to-oggcamp-12/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=come-to-oggcamp-12 | 20:03 |
| MooDoo | hello all | 20:07 |
| zleap | anyway that dmidecode command is great | 20:09 |
| Azelphur | suddenly, canonicalproductsprint everywhere | 21:29 |
| bigcalm | Guess why :) | 21:31 |
| MooDoo | :) | 21:31 |
| Azelphur | because your sprinting towards products? :D | 21:31 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| gord | actually not seen any uk loco people here yet | 21:32 |
| * Azelphur has no idea what's going on | 21:32 | |
| ali1234 | UDS | 21:33 |
| Azelphur | o.O | 21:34 |
| czajkowski | gord: where are you | 21:41 |
| czajkowski | I found a gord :) | 22:18 |
| directhex | hax! | 22:18 |
| czajkowski | I gave him tea bags and bickies and showed him my issue with hud | 22:19 |
| czajkowski | I wasn't going mad! | 22:19 |
| directhex | have you found Laney yet? | 22:21 |
| czajkowski | yup had breakfast with him | 22:25 |
| popey | i saw him walking around with an ubuntu user magazine | 22:26 |
| daftykins | are you all out and about at an event? | 22:29 |
| ali1234 | daftykins: UDS! | 22:38 |
| daftykins | ah that time again | 22:38 |
| czajkowski | daftykins: yeah 6 months comes around fast | 22:42 |
| czajkowski | I can see aquarius popey gord and Pendulum all from here | 22:42 |
| daftykins | :D | 22:45 |
| directhex | Oracle v. Google jury returns partial verdict, favoring Oracle | 22:57 |
| directhex | A unanimous jury found that Google infringed on Oracle's Java, but failed to say whether Google had made "fair use" of the material. Google called for a mistrial. | 22:57 |
| daftykins | strange biz | 22:59 |
| directhex | somewhere in googleplex, someone checks out xobotos from git and scratches his chin... | 23:01 |
| ali1234 | what happens if oracle buys msft? | 23:02 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| ali1234 | also, can xobotos rebuild existing android apps? | 23:08 |
| ali1234 | i'm not really clear on what it actually does | 23:08 |
| === sandy is now known as ucstaa | ||
| directhex | ali1234, it's a proof of concept port of all android's java sources to c#, using a massively improved foss tool, in order to show off mono's jitter versus dalvik's jitter | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | so pretty much useless for google then? | 23:28 |
| ali1234 | also if it automatically converts the java to mono, doesn't it also infringe on oracle's... whatever | 23:29 |
| directhex | ali1234, it's academically interesting, given google originally considered using c# instead of java | 23:30 |
| directhex | ali1234, it doesn't implement any of oracle's APIs, it specifically rewrites existing source to no longer use the APIs. which are apparently copyrightable | 23:30 |
| ali1234 | only the implementation is copyrightable? | 23:31 |
| ali1234 | or rather, only the act of implementation infringes? | 23:31 |
| directhex | i don't think the court has defined things that far yet | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | if it makes the code run, it could be considered an implementation | 23:32 |
| directhex | top - 00:32:33 up 1:12, 1 user, load average: 19.65, 15.34, 11.88 | 23:32 |
| directhex | WAT | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | but i guess if it is only used once, maybe not | 23:32 |
| ali1234 | but then that's always been my problem with both mono and java: you need a huge amount of code to make anything run | 23:33 |
| ucstaa | i was just reading groklaw, she says that has not yet been decided | 23:33 |
| ucstaa | the jury said you could, but the judge said that question wasn't part of their remit to decide | 23:33 |
| directhex | power cycled, keeping an eye on load... | 23:38 |
| directhex | it's going crazy again | 23:48 |
| directhex | /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs | 23:54 |
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