[03:31] <mattt> *yawn*
[03:31] <mattt> up for heathrow run
[04:06] <Jora> Hello.
[05:20] <mattt> Jora: yoez
[08:07] <hoover> good morning
[08:19] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:20] <MartijnVdS> \o
[08:23] <mattt> morning morning
[09:07] <MooDoo> Rewatched the story of Lugradio last night, wonder how much it would take to persuade popey et al to do Ubuntu UK live :)
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> UKradio Live
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> well there's oggcamp
[09:28] <MooDoo> yeah i'm guessing that's going to be it isn't it :)
[09:37] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:53] <Knightwise> morning everyone
[09:53] <brobostigon> morning Knightwise
[09:54] <Knightwise> hey brobostigon  how are you today
[09:54] <MooDoo> morning morning
[09:54] <brobostigon> Knightwise: on the tired side, but ok. and you?
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo
[09:57] <MooDoo> how are you brobostigon
[09:58] <brobostigon> MooDoo:  on the tired side, but ok. and you?
[09:58] <MooDoo> brobostigon: at work, thinking of doing something opensource related, don't know what though
[10:01] <brobostigon> MooDoo: hmm, i am sure youi will find something. i am about to do a webkit build for haiku, managed to wpa2 working inside haiku yesterday, with a new wpa_supplicant build.
[10:01] <MooDoo> sounds cool.
[10:03] <brobostigon> will likely fail, but worth trying,
[10:10] <directhex> LDAP address books are totally broken in ubuntu 12.04
[10:10] <directhex> i'd recommend not upgrading, if you need that functionality in evo
[10:26] <directhex> huh, possibly fixed by eds in precise-proposed
[10:29] <directhex> which makes no sense - the precise-proposed change does not affect address book, only calendar
[11:36]  * penguin42 drops a pin
[11:37] <MooDoo> oi i'm sleeping
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> WHAT?
[12:00] <jacobw> ldap address books are broken by design
[12:01] <jacobw> carddav is much better
[12:01] <jacobw> thunderbird doesn't support carddav :(
[12:02] <directhex> thunderbird is a basic mail client, with some toy addins to pretend it isn't
[12:02] <directhex> i'm not deploying it in my company
[12:02] <jacobw> what isn't a basic mail client?
[12:03] <brobostigon> mutt ?
[12:10] <directhex> evo is in the "office" section of thegnome 2 menu, not "internet" :p
[12:17] <jacobw> are these not the same thing now?
[12:17] <directhex> heh
[12:27] <jjavaholic> #ubuntu
[12:28] <MooDoo> jjavaholic: you missed of the /join? ;)
[12:33] <bigcalm> Good afternoon peeps :)
[12:35] <AlanBell> morning
[12:35] <AlanBell> uds starts today
[12:36] <bigcalm> On what should be a day off
[12:36] <AlanBell> yeah, I miss a bank holiday
[12:36] <bigcalm> Do you give yourself bank holidays normally?
[12:42] <bigcalm> I say it should be a day off, yet here I am in the office :(
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: don't you also sleep there? :)
[12:50] <penguin42> AlanBell: Don't you just nominate another convenient day to replace it?
[12:52] <MartijnVdS> he's at uds.. doesn't that count? :)
[12:52] <penguin42> hmm that's neat - on my desktop I clicked on a link to an android app and it shows 'This app is compatible with your Orange ZTE Blade'
[12:53] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: sometimes I wonder. Last night I was coding on the laptop in the sitting room until 1.45am. Hayley had long since gone to bed
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: yay on-line android market :)
[12:54] <MartijnVdS> or "play" as it's called now?
[12:55] <bigcalm> I was surprised that it took so long to get a decent web interface
[12:55] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: It's a pity - I liked the old play photo story viewer
[12:56] <bigcalm> Grrrr
[12:57] <bigcalm> Still geting crontab emails from logrotate
[12:57] <bigcalm> Not a happy chappy
[12:58] <MartijnVdS> disk full?
[12:58] <bigcalm> Newp
[13:00] <bigcalm> http://paste.ubuntu.com/973483/
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> post-rotate script
[13:03] <MartijnVdS> like.. restarting mysqld?
[13:07]  * bigcalm shrugs
[13:07] <bigcalm> It's whatever got installed :)
[13:09] <christel> gordonjcp: thank you <3
[13:13]  * bigcalm hugs christel silly
[13:13] <bigcalm> Well, sillier
[13:15] <MooDoo> christel, hello my love <3
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> ctrl+shift+u 2665 <space>
[13:25] <bigcalm> Oh, that's fund :)
[13:25] <bigcalm> -d
[13:26] <penguin42> hmm, now how long will it take us to learn Unicode?
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: Timer starts.. NOW
[13:31] <penguin42> bah, the fonts don't seem to have the clock face characters
[13:31] <penguin42> (01f551-67)
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> that's because it's (a) unicode 6 and (b) screen eats Unicode 6 chars
[13:33] <MartijnVdS> (also the emoticons)
[13:33] <penguin42> there are different version of Unicode?
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> Unicode gets upgrades every few years
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> new characters, with associated rules ("is it a letter?" info, sort order, etc.)
[13:35] <penguin42> other than sort order, which I can understand, what rules does something that just has to enter the characters need to know about?
[13:40] <cliftonts> Hi everyone. Can anyone help me with a problem installing wine?
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> What's the problem?
[13:41] <cliftonts> I'm running precise and whatever version I try to install it drags wine1.4 down with it.
[13:42] <MartijnVdS> sounds good
[13:42] <cliftonts> The only version that works for me is wine1.2 though
[13:42] <directhex> cliftonts, what version do you want?
[13:42] <cliftonts> sudo apt-get install wine1.2
[13:42] <cliftonts> The following extra packages will be installed:
[13:42] <cliftonts>   wine-gecko1.4 wine1.4 wine1.4-common wine1.4-i386
[13:42] <directhex> cliftonts, wine 1.2 is not in precise at all - the wine1.2 package is a metapackage which depends on wine 1.4
[13:42] <penguin42> I think the 1.2 is just a dummy
[13:43] <cliftonts> Ok, so how does one play pokerstars on Precise?
[13:43] <directhex>    wine1.2 | 1.4-0ubuntu4 | precise/universe | amd64, i386
[13:44] <penguin42> haha
[13:44] <penguin42> cliftonts: So, what happens when you try it under 1.4 ?
[13:44] <cliftonts> wine1.2 is the only version of wine that works. 1.3 crashes every 3 minutes like clockwork and 1.4 or 1.5 won't allow it to connect to the remote server
[13:45] <directhex> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=2899 ?
[13:45] <penguin42> cliftonts: You can grab the wine1.2 packages out of the repositories manually if you need to - not sure if they'll actually work on PP
[13:46] <penguin42> directhex: 1.4 seems to be noticably missing
[13:46] <cliftonts> I wonder what's changed to make it not work
[13:46] <penguin42> they'll have been lots of changes
[13:46] <directhex> penguin42, it's just down to what useful bug reports end users have filed. gaps mean people don't bother filing reports
[13:47] <cliftonts> The natural assumption is that things should work better in later versions. I can assure you poker clients don't
[13:48] <penguin42> cliftonts: Well they should, but programmers are human, so bugs happen
[13:48] <cliftonts> Naturally. How do I go about reporting these effects to the right people?
[13:49] <penguin42> cliftonts: In a terminal, run    ubuntu-bug wine1.4    and see what happens, assuming you have a launchpad account
[13:50] <cliftonts> I'll have to do that later, it's not installed right now and I'm only on a 3g dongle with limited data. Thanks for that one though.
[13:52] <cliftonts> Thanks guys. I'm off to shout at the poker client. It won't do any good but it may make me feel better!
[13:58] <Nafallo> Ng: when are you planning to release Terminator for Windows 7?
[14:08] <bigcalm> Can you have a split view in terminals? That is, 2 sessions in one view? I have 2 tabs but would like to see the content at the same time
[14:10] <penguin42> bigcalm: You can in konsole
[14:11] <bigcalm> Pendulum: not about to run kde :)
[14:12] <Pendulum> bigcalm: tab fail :P
[14:12]  * penguin42 swings back and hits bigcalm
[14:12] <bigcalm> Pendulum: my statement still stands, even if it wasn't meant to be directed back at you ;)
[14:13]  * bigcalm hugs Pendulum
[14:13]  * Pendulum hugs bigcalm 
[14:13] <bigcalm> People complain about BigRedS and me. Yet we're not the only 3 letter similar nicks in here :P
[14:14] <bigcalm> penguin42: no offence, but I like that Pendulum is the 1st for my pen<tab> auto-complete ;)
[14:14] <penguin42> hmph
[14:15] <bigcalm> Pendulum: how's UDS?
[14:15] <Pendulum> bigcalm: not quite started yet. And I was exhausted so last night was an early night
[14:16] <bigcalm> h
[14:16] <bigcalm> Ah
[14:20] <bigcalm> Wah, netbeans has stopped responding
[14:20] <bigcalm> Time to play minecraft then
[14:52] <SuperEngineer> a'noon folkies
[14:53] <MooDoo> hullo
[14:56] <SuperEngineer> o/ MooDoo
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> Q/  I'm using Feh [a cli image viewer] to replicate the old "Pictures Folder" screensaver. [using feh -rzZFYD7 /home/[me]/Pictures]
[15:14] <SuperEngineer> ...anyway to set a cron job to start it automatically after x amount of time of idle kbd/mouse?
[15:21] <penguin42> isn't teasier just to install xscreensaver?
[15:21] <penguin42> ^teasier^it easier
[15:22] <cocoa117> can you do soft link to the user's home directory? so it can be located elsewhere then default /home?
[15:23] <cocoa117> i keep getting permission issue when login
[15:24] <bigcalm> When adding a user, you can have the home directory be something other than in /home
[15:24] <bigcalm> -m I think
[15:24] <bigcalm> Or -d
[15:25] <cocoa117> bigcalm, en, it's too late for that
[15:25] <cocoa117> i guess i have to manually modify the /etc/passwd file?
[15:26] <bigcalm> cocoa117: usermod -d /path/to/new/homedir/ username
[15:27] <cocoa117> bigcalm, sure, i just realised it is one option
[15:38] <Ng> Nafallo: I think we should wait for WIndows 8 and make it a Metro app!
[15:40] <Nafallo> Ng: well, I need it yesterday. putty is just killing me :-P
[15:42] <Ng> Nafallo: you'd better get hacking then :)
[15:42] <Ng> it might work in some kind of cygwin stack
[15:42] <Ng> if you can get python and gnome-terminal running therein, you should be good
[15:42] <Nafallo> meh... bother.
[15:42] <Nafallo> I'll just wait for Terminator Salvation...
[15:43] <directhex> gnome stuff tends to be a bit squiffy on windows. lots of daemons are expected. gnome-session-gorilla and dbus and so on
[15:43] <Nafallo> guerilla
[15:53]  * penguin42 thought Gnome was based on monkeys
[16:06] <AlanBell> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ live stream from UDS
[16:10] <MooDoo> cheers AlanBell
[16:11] <penguin42> that's actually impressively good quality
[16:13] <AlanBell> it is jono's introduction for 15 minutes or so then he will hand over to Mark Shuttleworth
[16:17] <czajkowski> aloha
[16:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski: yay you made it safetly :)
[16:18] <czajkowski> yup
[16:18] <czajkowski> all good :)
[16:18] <bigcalm> Would be nice if the block would disappear if there was nothing to show in it
[16:19] <czajkowski> no slides
[16:19] <AlanBell> there will be slides in a bit I think, they switched to sabdfl.pdf or something a sec ago
[16:21] <bigcalm> This is amazingly good quality
[16:21] <AlanBell> slide now?
[16:21] <AlanBell> orange pangloin
[16:21] <bigcalm> Aye
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: sorry - I was away looking at AskUbuntu
[16:22] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: I didn't go down the xsc route in case it fouled up unity
[16:25] <SuperEngineer> [there's also the statement : Canonical provides critical updates for Automatic screensaver for X until October 2013.
[16:25] <unconference> I notice that there are some issues with the nvidia drivers in 12.04
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> which is a clue [to me] it may be bad in 12.04 - anybody know for sure if ok or not?
[16:26] <unconference> I had to uninstall nvidia-current to be able to see anything coherent
[16:26] <SuperEngineer> ...all I want is my photos as a screensaver, nothing else
[16:26] <bigcalm> Is that popey in the front row?
[16:27] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: the bald patch on the left (stage right) you mean? :)
[16:27]  * MartijnVdS runs
[16:28] <popey> bigcalm: no, i am at the back with AlanBell
[16:29] <bigcalm> popey: ah, hiding with your laptops :D
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> watchin the vid... oh no... he said "empoer people" - what next - thinking "outside the box"?
[16:30] <popey> hah
[16:30] <SuperEngineer> *empower
[16:30]  * penguin42 assumes popey and alanbell are playing buzzword bingo
[16:30] <popey> hah
[16:30] <AlanBell> :)
[16:30] <unconference> computers empowering people these days is a novel concept
[16:31] <ali1234> true
[16:31] <unconference> much of the trend seems to be in the opposite direction
[16:31] <ali1234> well it depends how you define "empowering"
[16:32] <unconference> true
[16:32] <ali1234> i mean apple certainly empowered a lot of shovelware developers
[16:32] <ali1234> so really it depends how you define "people"
[16:33] <unconference> shovelware?
[16:33] <ali1234> you probably know it by the marketing term, "apps"
[16:34] <unconference> ah yes
[16:35] <unconference> Centralized app stores are convenient, but they also give the mediator a lot of power
[16:36] <ali1234> it's not about the store as such
[16:36] <ali1234> except that everyone measure the appstore by the number of apps
[16:36] <unconference> which is silly
[16:36] <ali1234> which means the owners just encourage everyone to make hundreds of identical games etc
[16:37] <ali1234> so everything about every app store is abut how easy it is to develop, how easy the apis are, how easy to upload etc
[16:38] <ali1234> but usually they are only easy if you are building trivial shovelware ie a rss feed disguised as an app
[16:38] <ali1234> hmm what's this?
[16:38] <ali1234> oh way to put a huge caption box over... whatever that is
[16:39] <ali1234> crowd does not sound like they are up for it
[16:40] <AlanBell> it is a box \o/ woot
[16:40] <bigcalm> Sounds like he's reading a marketing script
[16:41] <AlanBell> looks like a crate of raspberry pis
[16:41] <ali1234> this is the most boring surprise ever
[16:42] <penguin42> oh, the calxeda stuff
[16:42] <bigcalm> Why do people in America applaud to anything and everything?
[16:42] <gordonjcp> cheerleader mentality
[16:43] <bigcalm> Is the goatse logo on the board behind Mark?
[16:43]  * AlanBell gets leotard and pompops out
[16:43] <AlanBell> pompoms
[16:43] <AlanBell> pompoms
[16:43] <bigcalm> Awesome!
[16:44] <AlanBell> gah, lag
[16:44] <penguin42> you'd hope they would hold a cloud summit somewhere weater
[16:45] <SuperEngineer_> woops - lost t'internet then - I blame the conference vid ;)
[16:45] <bigcalm> czajkowski: have you been cringing each time Mark says Awesome?
[16:46] <bigcalm> The HUD is not innovative :(
[16:46] <unconference> It's a little innovative
[16:47] <unconference> I would like to see some natural language parsing in the HUD also
[16:47] <AlanBell> ooh, that is quite interesting
[16:47] <czajkowski> bigcalm: you're such a grump today
[16:47] <czajkowski> bigcalm: it's a bank holiday get off irc and go for a walk and fresh air
[16:47] <ali1234> that's the stupidest thing i've ever seen
[16:47] <bigcalm> czajkowski: I was working to 1.45am last night and most of this afternoon so far
[16:48] <AlanBell> that new hud is going to be even less accessible than the current hud
[16:48] <bigcalm> I want to, but this code isn't going to write itself
[16:48] <SuperEngineer_> ooo - gimp 2.8 - that's awesome
[16:48] <ali1234> is the idea to put everything in the top left corner of the screen and then just leave the other 3/4 blank or what?
[16:48] <bigcalm> There goes the stream again
[16:48] <penguin42> the video player has an odd behaviour; if the stream drops and I hit play it restarts where it previously started at
[16:48] <bigcalm> popey is that legend
[16:50] <ali1234> unity it probably the most cluttered desktop i have ever seen
[16:50] <ali1234> well, the top left corner of it is
[16:50] <unconference> The top left is busy
[16:52] <SuperEngineer_> ali1234: you need to throw a can a can of Carlsberg at the monitor...
[16:53] <SuperEngineer_> then it'll probably be the best ;)
[16:53] <SuperEngineer_> [the best clutered...]
[16:53] <ali1234> AW
[16:53] <ali1234> what's he saying?
[16:54] <popey> he's talking about dell xps
[16:54] <popey> dell have a project to bring devops back to 'pc' from osx
[16:54] <popey> where 'pc' is a swishy looking laptop running Ubuntu
[16:57] <bigcalm> What it in a case or box? It looked very large
[16:57] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[16:57] <bigcalm> Are all the think pad owners now sad that they don't have the same machine as Mark?
[16:57] <directhex> a cray x5m
[16:57] <SuperEngineer_> bbs - switchin back to broadbad [BT couldn't cope with stream - had to use 3G]
[17:25] <czajkowski> gord: ping
[17:26] <brobostigon> !info vlc unstable
[17:43] <ali1234> why is this thing specifically targeted at developers?
[17:43] <ali1234> i mean... what about it makes it good for developers?
[18:14] <AlanBell> UDS you mean?
[18:16] <ali1234> no... project sputnik
[18:17] <ali1234> you know the more i think about that "future hud" image the more stupid it seems
[18:17] <ali1234> how are we supposed to operate those sliders and knobs with the keyboard?
[18:18] <AlanBell> yeah, indeed
[18:18] <AlanBell> which means accessibility is broken again
[18:18] <ali1234> the whole argument for unity so far has been "keyboard fast mouse slow" and "i hate having to take my hands off the keyboard"
[18:18] <ali1234> but if you use a tool like gimp you hate having to take your hands off the mouse
[18:18] <ali1234> and so you probably hate unity and especially the hud
[18:19] <popey> but you're gonna take your hands off the kb to use those tools anyway without hud
[18:19] <ali1234> exactly
[18:19] <popey> so it makes no difference
[18:19] <popey> its just bubbling up the ui to the hud
[18:19] <ali1234> if you are doing GRAPHICAL work you probably are not using the keyboard *at all*
[18:19] <popey> i dont agree with that
[18:19] <ali1234> so this whole "having t move from keyboard to mouse" argument does not apply at all
[18:19] <popey> having watched someone use photoshop for 4 hours yesterday
[18:19] <popey> one hand on the mouse (actually a wacom tablet) and one hand on the keyboard
[18:20] <ali1234> so were they slowly typing "z - o - o - m" with their left hand?
[18:20] <ali1234> or were they just using the zoom tool with the mouse?
[18:20] <popey> they were using keyboard shortcuts
[18:20] <SuperEngineer> question re accesibilty - is it easier to use the mouase or the keyboard - if answer is mouse - a serious rethink is needed
[18:20] <ali1234> (pointing device)
[18:21] <ali1234> the hud has nothing at all to do with keyboard shortcuts
[18:21] <AlanBell> SuperEngineer: everything needs to be keyboard navigable and focussable
[18:21] <AlanBell> like the shortcut overlay isn't
[18:22] <SuperEngineer> ....someone is beginning to understand my point
[18:29] <ali1234> AlanBell has been pushing for accessibility for as long as i can remember :)
[18:29] <ali1234> which admittedly is not very long
[18:31] <SuperEngineer> way forward [for some] = voice intrface.  say "hud", say "clear history" - oooh - would be nice
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> ...also way forward for when feeling lazz ;)
[18:32] <SuperEngineer> *lazy
[18:33] <SuperEngineer> anyway [warning, "too much info" time coming up...] me go have bath - see youz all later
[18:36] <penguin42> "hud - terminal, rm -rf /  enter"
[18:40] <SuperEngineer>  "hud - terminal, rm -rfi /  enter / fall asleep"
[19:33] <zleap> hi
[19:34] <popey> hello zleap
[19:34] <zleap> hello
[19:35] <zleap> are is lubuntu still an official release
[19:36] <zleap> ok how do i get ubuntu to tell me how much ram I have
[19:37] <DJones> zleap: cat /proc/meminfo Look at the top line MemTotal
[19:38] <zleap> i got it, system info in settings too
[19:38] <DJones> Or less typing "free"
[19:38] <zleap>  1802684 kB
[19:39] <zleap> so that is 1.8 gb,  i know I have 2gb in total so i guess the missing memory is somewhere
[19:40] <popey> 20:35:04 < zleap> are is lubuntu still an official release
[19:40] <popey> yes
[19:40] <DJones> Looks right, what graphics card do you have? If its got shared memory, that would explain the difference
[19:40] <zleap> yeah
[19:40] <zleap> i think it has
[19:40] <zleap> i am looking at lubuntu  as a option
[19:41] <ali1234> no
[19:41] <ali1234> system info claims i have 15.7GB
[19:41] <ali1234> GiB
[19:41] <zleap> there seems to be discrepencies somewhere
[19:41] <zleap> GIB = GB i think, i never know where to use caps and when not to these days
[19:42] <ali1234> yeah
[19:42] <ali1234> it's doing free -m and then dividing it by 1024
[19:42] <ali1234> which gives 15.673
[19:43] <zleap> ah
[19:43] <ali1234> but free -m uses megabytes and not mebibytes
[19:43] <ali1234> i will report a bug
[19:43] <zleap> what is mebibytes
[19:43] <ali1234> unless someone else knows better what is going on
[19:43] <ali1234> mebibytes = 1000000 bytes
[19:43] <MartijnVdS> zleap: powers-of-2 megabytes
[19:43] <zleap> ah
[19:43] <ali1234> er
[19:43] <ali1234> megabytes = 1000000 bytes
[19:43] <ali1234> mebibytes is "the other one"
[19:44] <zleap> 1024
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1024*1024
[19:44] <zleap> 1024 = 1kb
[19:44] <zleap> 1mb= 1024*1024
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1kib
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> 1mib
[19:44] <ali1234> hmm wait, even weirder
[19:44] <zleap> so is this to make it easy for non computer users, thinking 1024 as 1000
[19:45] <ali1234> free -b / 1024^3 = 15.674
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: "Hard disk" MBs = 10000000
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: "Memory" MBs = 1024 * 1024
[19:45] <ali1234> so free in fact is not using megabytes like it says it is
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: "Memory" = MiB
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> zleap: HD = MB
[19:47] <ali1234> so both free and sysinfo are using powers of 2
[19:47] <zleap> ok according to the side of my computer i have 2gb ram
[19:47] <ali1234> so where did the other 300mb go?
[19:47] <zleap> free -g shows Mem:             1          1          0          0          0          0
[19:48] <zleap> total 1
[19:48] <zleap> i will check in the bios
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> zleap: there's dmidecode (on PC)
[19:48] <zleap> ok
[19:48] <MartijnVdS> zleap: that will usually list the memory modules
[19:49] <ali1234> because free always rounds down
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> well "things" get used
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> like the first MB is "Special"
[19:49] <ali1234> kernel uses 300mb these days?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> depends on the kernel
[19:50] <ali1234> i didn't think ubuntu kernel was that bloated...
[19:50] <zleap> that command is useful
[19:50] <zleap> now why can't sysinfo just display the output from that
[19:53] <directhex> mibibytes!
[19:53] <MartijnVdS> directhex: mebibytes
[19:53] <directhex> moobybites!
[19:53] <directhex> kibinibbles.
[19:54] <MartijnVdS> Egg McMooby Muffin?
[19:55] <DJones> Tribbles ?
[19:56] <SuperEngineer> [free -g lies,  free on its own has a more honest description, free nelson mandela returns "done"]
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[19:57] <ali1234> the only one that actually maches what the man pages says is free -b
[20:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] Come to OggCamp 12 - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2012/05/07/come-to-oggcamp-12/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=come-to-oggcamp-12
[20:07] <MooDoo> hello all
[20:09] <zleap> anyway that dmidecode command is great
[21:29] <Azelphur> suddenly, canonicalproductsprint everywhere
[21:31] <bigcalm> Guess why :)
[21:31] <MooDoo> :)
[21:31] <Azelphur> because your sprinting towards products? :D
[21:32] <gord> actually not seen any uk loco people here yet
[21:32]  * Azelphur has no idea what's going on
[21:33] <ali1234> UDS
[21:34] <Azelphur> o.O
[21:41] <czajkowski> gord: where are you
[22:18] <czajkowski> I found a gord :)
[22:18] <directhex> hax!
[22:19] <czajkowski> I gave him tea bags and bickies and showed him my issue with hud
[22:19] <czajkowski> I wasn't going mad!
[22:21] <directhex> have you found Laney yet?
[22:25] <czajkowski> yup had breakfast with him
[22:26] <popey> i saw him walking around with an ubuntu user magazine
[22:29] <daftykins> are you all out and about at an event?
[22:38] <ali1234> daftykins: UDS!
[22:38] <daftykins> ah that time again
[22:42] <czajkowski> daftykins: yeah 6 months comes around fast
[22:42] <czajkowski> I can see aquarius popey gord and Pendulum all from here
[22:45] <daftykins> :D
[22:57] <directhex> Oracle v. Google jury returns partial verdict, favoring Oracle
[22:57] <directhex> A unanimous jury found that Google infringed on Oracle's Java, but failed to say whether Google had made "fair use" of the material. Google called for a mistrial.
[22:59] <daftykins> strange biz
[23:01] <directhex> somewhere in googleplex, someone checks out xobotos from git and scratches his chin...
[23:02] <ali1234> what happens if oracle buys msft?
[23:08] <ali1234> also, can xobotos rebuild existing android apps?
[23:08] <ali1234> i'm not really clear on what it actually does
[23:28] <directhex> ali1234, it's a proof of concept port of all android's java sources to c#, using a massively improved foss tool, in order to show off mono's jitter versus dalvik's jitter
[23:28] <ali1234> so pretty much useless for google then?
[23:29] <ali1234> also if it automatically converts the java to mono, doesn't it also infringe on oracle's... whatever
[23:30] <directhex> ali1234, it's academically interesting, given google originally considered using c# instead of java
[23:30] <directhex> ali1234, it doesn't implement any of oracle's APIs, it specifically rewrites existing source to no longer use the APIs. which are apparently copyrightable
[23:31] <ali1234> only the implementation is copyrightable?
[23:31] <ali1234> or rather, only the act of implementation infringes?
[23:32] <directhex> i don't think the court has defined things that far yet
[23:32] <ali1234> if it makes the code run, it could be considered an implementation
[23:32] <directhex> top - 00:32:33 up  1:12,  1 user,  load average: 19.65, 15.34, 11.88
[23:32] <directhex> WAT
[23:32] <ali1234> but i guess if it is only used once, maybe not
[23:33] <ali1234> but then that's always been my problem with both mono and java: you need a huge amount of code to make anything run
[23:33] <ucstaa> i was just reading groklaw, she says that has not yet been decided
[23:33] <ucstaa> the jury said you could, but the judge said that question wasn't part of their remit to decide
[23:38] <directhex> power cycled, keeping an eye on load...
[23:48] <directhex> it's going crazy again
[23:54] <directhex> /usr/lib/tracker/tracker-miner-fs