[00:13] <bkerensa> :D
[00:13] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: do you know how long ago phillip was on?
[00:13] <bkerensa> I just got back from SF
[00:13] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: You coming out to the hotel?
[00:14] <Faqtotum> he disconnected at 2pm
[00:14] <Faqtotum> what hotel?
[00:15] <Faqtotum> i'm in sf
[00:21] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: The Marriott in Oakland
[00:21] <bkerensa> :)
[00:22] <bkerensa> well if Philip pops back on can someone have him e-mail bkerensa@ubuntu.com .... wanna see if he wants to grab dinner tonight
[00:23] <Faqtotum> why don't you guys just exchange cell phone numbers?
[00:24] <bkerensa> Faqtotum: Well if I could get in touch :D
[00:24] <bkerensa> but his stuff is here and I dont know where he is :P
[00:24] <Faqtotum> heh
[00:25] <bkerensa> In fact if anyone sees him.... I am leaving me cell on the TV
[00:25]  * bkerensa goes to shower and find dinner :D
[00:25] <Faqtotum> well, if none of youse'll be in sf until tomorrow, i guess i'll see ya tomorrow
[00:30] <pleia2> bkerensa: we must have passed each other on bart trains ;)
[01:04] <akk> Sigh, "Waiting for network configuration" ... I love boot-time hangs
[01:46] <akk> Stupid BART question: is there a page somewhere where you can get a timetable, like, what time do I need to be at station A to get to station B by time T?
[01:47] <akk> I'm seeing lists of times a car will be at one station, but not when that car will get anywhere else.
[01:47] <broder> i'm not actually convinced that BART runs on a fixed schedule
[01:48] <akk> Oh, hmm. Well, maybe a table of approximate travel times between two stations, then?
[01:48] <akk> I know I can do google maps route planning, but not for more than one time at once.
[01:55] <jtatum> Spoiled by caltrain :)
[01:56] <akk> Yeah, I like those caltrain timetables.
[02:00]  * pleia2 wayves
[02:00] <pleia2> -y
[02:00] <pleia2> #startmeeting
[02:00] <pleia2> who all is here for the meeting? :)
[02:00] <akk> o/
[02:00] <jdeslip> !
[02:00] <jtatum> o/
[02:01] <pleia2> Agenda; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/12May6
[02:01] <pleia2> so first up, UDS starts tomorrow! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UDS-Q
[02:01] <eps> o/
[02:02] <pleia2> we've gotten very good feedback to our public transportation page, so thanks to everyone who helped out there :)
[02:02] <pleia2> eps: I've already given out 3 Clipper cards :)
[02:03] <pleia2> refills are working well
[02:03] <akk> Giving blank clipper cards was a great idea!
[02:03] <akk> And the transit page is excellent too.
[02:03] <eps> they're good for 20 years, so don't toss them
[02:03] <pleia2> indeed!
[02:04] <pleia2> I also mentioned that in my email, people should keep them for their next visit :)
[02:04] <pleia2> anyone have any comments, questions, etc about UDS?
[02:04] <pleia2> I went to the hotel last night and this, nice place, and you can't beat how close it is to bart
[02:04] <akk> Is there a gathering point for ubuntu-cal people? Place to get "I'm a local" badges or offer to help out with anything?
[02:05] <pleia2> akk: nope, it's mostly just "find pleia2"
[02:05] <pleia2> I'll have all of them in my bag
[02:05] <akk> pleia2 is the embodiment of ubuntu-us-ca :)
[02:05] <pleia2> lol
[02:05] <pleia2> I try :)
[02:06] <pleia2> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/2012-05-07/
[02:06] <jtatum> Hehe
[02:06] <pleia2> is the schedule for tomorrow, as you can see the intro and keynote is at 9AM
[02:06] <pleia2> you'll want to get there a little before that so you can go to registration and get your badge
[02:06] <jdeslip> Is registration only tomorrow?
[02:07] <pleia2> jdeslip: nah, they'll have the table open all week
[02:07] <pleia2> it's also where they'll set up the shop (they bring over goods from the canonical store to sell at UDS, very useful)
[02:08] <pleia2> and you can get any other information you may need by asking the folks there
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> akk: www.511.org
[02:08] <DonkeyHotei> akk: http://www.511.org
[02:09] <eps> Do we need to register for each session we want to attend? I see participants lists on the schedule.
[02:10] <pleia2> feel free to grab me at UDS if you have questions too, I can usually help, or know someone who does
[02:10] <pleia2> eps: no, you can just show up, the people "registered" are those who are subscribed to the blueprint (that means you'll get emailed each time it's updated throughout the next 6 months)
[02:10] <DarkwingUDS> pleia2: you still here at the hotel?
[02:10] <pleia2> DarkwingUDS: nah, I came home
[02:11] <DarkwingUDS> pleia2: ahhhh. Yeah, I'm up in my room charging my phone. :D
[02:11] <pleia2> :)
[02:11] <pleia2> ok, see those of you who can make it at UDS this week!
[02:11] <pleia2> next topic...
[02:11] <pleia2> Booth at Maker Faire: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-us-ca/2012-May/001954.html
[02:11] <pleia2> jdeslip: have anything to say about this one?
[02:12] <pleia2> (and yes, we're getting them sorted disk-wise :))
[02:12] <jdeslip> Ya. The maker faire is pretty awesome event. A lot of do-it-yourself type people there. So, I think it is a good audience to show off Linux too
[02:13] <jdeslip> The booth is called "Bay Area Linux Groups" and I inviting people from a few different to come
[02:13] <jdeslip> But, obviously we want a good showing from Ubuntu-CA see that is what people often associated Linux with these days
[02:14] <jdeslip> I should be able to get James, Aaditya and Philip in for free.
[02:14] <jdeslip> I'll send out some details in the next day or so. Please think of cool/crafty things to demo...
[02:15] <DonkeyHotei> eps: you got my e-mail, right?
[02:15] <pleia2> great, thanks jdeslip :)
[02:15] <jdeslip> Ya, I guess that is about it on Maker Faire
[02:15] <eps> DonkeyHotei: haven't checked yet ... I've been out doing errands
[02:16] <pleia2> ok, anyone else have anything?
[02:17] <pleia2> oh! if anyone wants to help me with the tourism night on Wednesday I'd love to have the help :)
[02:17] <pleia2> we're going bart > embarcadero > ferry building > street car to pier 39 > fisherman's wharf > ghirardelli square > cable cars back to powell (probably)
[02:18] <pleia2> grabbing dinner somewhere along the way
[02:18] <jtatum> pleia2: I will ping work and see if I can swing that
[02:18] <eps> Tough call ... that, or the BAD dinner or free pizza and beer
[02:18] <pleia2> jtatum: ok cool, we're planning on leaving Oakland on BART at 7PM, you can meet us anywhere
[02:19] <pleia2> sessions end at 6PM, 7 gives them time to head up to their rooms to wash up/change/relax for a few minutes
[02:19] <pleia2> I can't imagine our group will be more than 20 people, but even handling that will be interesting :)
[02:20] <jledbetter> cool
[02:20] <jtatum> Maybe I can convince jledbetter to join too :)
[02:20]  * pleia2 will be putting together a pretty PDF for the tour tonight
[02:20] <pleia2> yes yes!
[02:21] <jledbetter> Wednesday is hard :(
[02:23] <pleia2> anyone have anything else?
[02:24] <eps> Maybe you can convince UDS attendees to buy Partimus earrings
[02:24] <pleia2> ah yes, I'll be carrying 8 pairs with me!
[02:24] <pleia2> and the business cards for the shop, in case people want to buy later
[02:24] <pleia2> so you're welcome to send people to me if you find anyone who wants a pair
[02:25] <jtatum> Neat!
[02:25] <jledbetter> I dig that they have silver ones now.
[02:25] <pleia2> yeah :)
[02:26] <pleia2> ok, thanks everyone
[02:26] <pleia2> #endmeeting
[02:26] <eps> You were expecting ... orange and aubergine? ;-)
[02:26] <pleia2> hehe
[02:26] <jledbetter> I don't wear gold except for stuff from my Grandma ;)
[02:26] <pleia2> the europeans where laughing at "eggplant" on a dinner menu last night
[02:26] <jtatum> Hehe. Maybe I should cut up some vinyl u-w decals
[02:26] <pleia2> I told them aubergine is too hard for us to say :)
[02:27] <pleia2> jtatum: indeed you should!
[02:27] <pleia2> the ubuntu women session is at noon on thursday last I checked, I'll be giving out stickers and stuff then
[02:27]  * pleia2 also prepared 4 "goodie bags" for UW stuff
[02:28] <jledbetter> ooo
[02:28] <pleia2> anyway, I need to run out to the grocery store, weekend went by too fast :)
[02:28] <jledbetter> See ya later, pleia2 :)
[02:28] <pleia2> later all
[02:38] <bkerensa> :D
[02:38] <bkerensa> jujuc charm writing party is in progress
[02:39]  * philipballew pretends to know what juju's are
[02:39] <bkerensa> lol
[02:40] <ilan> DarkwingUDS: you in town for UDS?
[02:41] <DarkwingUDS> ilan: yup. at the venue right now. You about?
[02:41] <ilan> DarkwingUDS: i will be tomorrow
[02:41] <ilan> and most of the week
[02:41] <DarkwingUDS> ilan: oh awesome... I have some things to talk to ya about. :DF
[02:41] <DarkwingUDS> :D
[02:41] <ilan> heh
[02:41] <ilan> ok
[02:41] <jdeslip> exit
[02:42] <ilan> DarkwingUDS: btw ron sent over some ideas for SCALE 2013. i passed them on to the list
[02:42] <DarkwingUDS> ilan: oh awesome.
[02:43] <akk> Silly me, thought I'd upgrade the laptop to pangolin the night before UDS -- upgrade failed badly.
[02:43] <DarkwingUDS> :D
[02:44]  * philipballew high fives akk
[02:44]  * akk high-fives philipballew back
[02:45] <akk> I love "errors were encountered while processing:" [long list of packages]
[02:45] <akk> um, care to give me a hint of what the errors were?
[02:45] <akk> "dependency problems"
[02:46] <akk> Ha, found it -- turns out it wanted /etc/init.d/umountnfs.sh (why is it I can't have an ubuntu system without NFS services running at boot?)
[02:52] <DonkeyHotei> [Sun 2012-05-06 05:22:14 PM PDT] <bkerensa> well if Philip pops back on can someone have him e-mail bkerensa@ubuntu.com .... wanna see if he wants to grab dinner tonight
[02:52] <DonkeyHotei> philipballew: ^
[02:53] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: He is here now... There are four of us drinking beers and writing charms
[02:53] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: care to join us? :)
[02:54] <DonkeyHotei> not unless you're in sf, and also i don't drink
[02:55] <philipballew> I dont drink DonkeyHotei Im just here with a water
[02:55] <philipballew> but its okay, if your in sf
[02:56] <bkerensa> DonkeyHotei: are u going to come to Oakland at all this week :)
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> uds starts in the morning
[02:56] <bkerensa> all us community folk are bored while the Canonical folk party :P
[02:56] <DonkeyHotei> i'll go to oakland for uds
[02:57] <bkerensa> k
[02:57] <akk> DonkeyHotei: Thx for the 511 rec, btw -- though it doesn't work for me in Firefox, "an internal error occurred" when I try to plan a BART trip.
[02:58] <bkerensa> akk: have you checked in now?
[02:58] <akk> bkerensa: I live in San Jose, trying to figure out how to get to/from Oakland.
[02:58] <bkerensa> oh
[02:59] <bkerensa> pleia2: I assume you wont be coming out till tomorrow
[02:59] <DonkeyHotei> akk: oh well. i use chrome
[05:12] <pleia2> bkerensa: I dropped by the hotel saturday and early this evening (saw Darkwing!) but yeah, not again until tomorrow morning :)
[05:16] <DarkwingUDS> bkerensa: you at the hotel?
[14:56] <pleia2> off to UDS!
[14:56] <DonkeyHotei> oh shit, i'll be late
[14:56]  * ilan will head over in a bit
[14:57] <DonkeyHotei> i was supposed to be half-way there by now
[14:57] <DonkeyHotei> gonna miss the keynote now
[14:57] <DonkeyHotei> :(
[16:25] <akk> Is there an irc channel for UDS chatter?
[16:25] <broder> #ubuntu-uds
[16:26] <akk> cool, thx
[17:16] <Faqtotum> at uds
[17:16] <gua-uds> Faqtotum, hi5
[17:16] <gua-uds> i'm in apt improvements
[17:16] <philipballew> Community roundtable
[17:18] <Faqtotum> i'm in kernel roundtable
[17:18] <Faqtotum> no one has a mic, annoying
[17:18] <gua-uds> make sure people get "i'm local" pins from pleia2. i didn't have one and i was viscously pinned
[17:18] <pleia2> lol
[17:18] <pleia2> I have 5 left :)
[17:18] <gua-uds> aha
[17:18] <gua-uds> hi pleia2 !
[17:19] <gua-uds> need more pins
[17:19] <pleia2> haha, I was worreid 15 would be too many
[17:19] <Faqtotum> i haven't run into pleia2 yet
[17:21] <EpikVision> me neither
[17:33] <Faqtotum> pleia2: where are you atm, btw?
[17:34] <pleia2> community roundtable
[17:35]  * MarkDude needs a pin that says *Im local, dude*
[17:35] <Faqtotum> i'll grab 2 of them in a sec
[17:36] <pleia2> 2?
[17:36]  * MarkDude does not need a pin :)
[17:36] <pleia2> I only have 5 left, I can't really give out multiples
[17:37]  * MarkDude needs to get down to UDS, but is having to take care of more errands now
[17:39] <Faqtotum> pleia2: community roundtable is not in the downloaded schedule; what room?
[17:40] <philipballew> 201 Faqtotum
[17:41] <MarkDude> What day is the intrusive CoC talk scheduled?
[17:42]  * MarkDude is concerned that will hamper Ubuntu's progress
[17:42] <pleia2> er, that was at the community council meeting on the 3rd
[17:42] <philipballew> MarkDude, only enhances it!
[17:43] <pleia2> some revisions have been posted based on the feedback we recieved, I didn't see the email from you, did you send one for the discussion?
[17:43] <MarkDude> Well no
[17:43] <pleia2> can you, so we can include it?
[17:43] <MarkDude> And still not sure I should fully enter this discussion :)
[17:43] <MarkDude> I can,
[17:43] <pleia2> thanks
[17:44] <MarkDude> I have just had a few express doubts and possible willingness to leave over CoC controling personal life
[17:44] <MarkDude> Which list ?
[17:45] <MarkDude> Is the talk on
[17:47] <pleia2> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/04/16/code-of-conduct-update/ is the announcement with details, the emails were collected here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski/CoCFeedback
[17:47]  * pleia2 off to next session
[17:47] <MarkDude> ty :)
[17:48] <Faqtotum> MarkDude: eps asked about geeknic
[17:49] <MarkDude> soon
[17:50]  * MarkDude has a few matters to take care of 1st
[17:58] <MarkDude> Well if the discussion happened on the 3rd, maybe there is no point in me adding my voice
[17:58]  * MarkDude thinks it will apear as sour grapes
[17:59] <MarkDude> Looks bad tho
[18:01] <MarkDude> Yep, not going to disturb the hornets nest. I reserve the right to hold a few things more important than the Distro I use. And let people choose their own path  :)
[18:02] <gua-uds> MarkDude: boo
[18:03] <gua-uds> MarkDude: dissent is crucial for.. collaboration
[18:03] <gua-uds> or something
[18:03] <MarkDude> Well I got slapped down last time for doing so, and also had my full name (and 3 others) put on public record
[18:04] <MarkDude> Even tho what I had originally suggested was FULLY IMPLEMENTED, I got raked over the coals
[18:05] <MarkDude> And near as I can tell, the new CoC makes an effort to stop dissent
[18:05] <gua-uds> hmm maybe you speaking up made it turn out that way
[18:05] <MarkDude> lol, well..... thats for people to decide
[18:05] <gua-uds> well i dunno, no one but you is the most likely to voice what you think needs being voiced
[18:05] <gua-uds> discussions are no fun if everyone agrees
[18:05] <MarkDude> Well the talk happened on the 3rd
[18:06] <gua-uds> ah hm
[18:14] <greg-g> MarkDude: there was a revision made by mark to the CoC post-that meeting
[18:14] <greg-g> MarkDude: not sure if fully meets my requirements (and the last sentence feels a little too "we are the one true party" to me)
[18:14] <greg-g> rev 24 of that bzr branch, btw
[18:18] <MarkDude> no doubt
[18:21] <bkerensa> MarkDude: when u coming?
[18:22] <bkerensa> nhaines: u coming?
[18:25] <MarkDude> Meeting up with Bethany in a few, then we are taking bart over
[18:26] <bkerensa> MarkDude: uhh cool hmm will be good to see u
[18:27] <MarkDude> Will be good to see you too bkerensa
[18:27]  * MarkDude will be going a few more days
[18:27] <bkerensa> :D
[18:27] <MarkDude> Hopefully I can be there early tomorrow
[18:27]  * MarkDude has a CM meeting in SF in morning
[18:27] <bkerensa> if u hurry u might make lunch
[18:28] <bkerensa> I was in SF all day yesterday
[18:29]  * MarkDude was there for a while- then went to Walnut Creek
[18:35] <MarkDude> Well if some people ASK me to speak out on the CoC thing, I will. Otherwise - the more I think about it, the more I think its NOT my business
[18:35] <MarkDude> No need to make waves :)
[18:38] <greg-g> MarkDude: why not your business?
[18:38] <greg-g> are you an Ubuntu Member or do you want to participate in the community?
[18:38] <greg-g> then I say it is damn well your business
[18:38] <MarkDude> Well, I am
[18:38] <greg-g> which is why I went to the CC meeting and voiced my concerns directly
[18:39] <MarkDude> My 1st association is Ubuntu Women
[18:39] <MarkDude> then comes Fedora
[18:39] <MarkDude> Then other stuff in Ubuntu
[18:39] <MarkDude> Well 1st is FOSS and Linux
[18:39]  * MarkDude is in leadership in Fedora, so I am concerned about how it might appear
[18:41] <greg-g> ahhh, I see
[18:42] <MarkDude> There are too many people attacking Ubuntu at the moment
[18:42] <greg-g> well, I think an outsider's perspective would be useful, as well
[18:42] <MarkDude> and not in  productive manner
[18:42] <MarkDude> Just plain attacking
[18:42] <greg-g> MarkDude: maybe for good reason? I'm not sure, but I want criticism to be OK, that is the only way things improve.
[18:42] <greg-g> yeah, that's true, that stuff is lame
[18:43] <gua-uds> MarkDude: well as long as you're not doin that, should be fine
[18:43] <MarkDude> Well, I will see how folks feel at UDS
[18:43] <greg-g> :)
[18:43] <MarkDude> part of the reason I advocated my thoughts a while ago, was BECAUSE I was aksed by others to give voice to their concerns also
[18:44] <MarkDude> Sorta like Ubuntu Oregon
[18:44]  * MarkDude offered to help advocate for them on a matter that was offensive
[18:44] <MarkDude> bkerensa, and the rest of the group were of with it, so I dropped it
[18:45] <MarkDude> Sorta need to see how people feel, no need to be standing by oneself
[18:47] <greg-g> ...unless you're right.
[18:47] <greg-g> ;)
[18:49] <MarkDude> Well when I left, I partially gae up that right.
[18:49] <MarkDude> So thats why I think it applies more if people WANT me to
[18:50] <MarkDude> I am fighting against creation of a CoC in Fedora now
[18:50] <MarkDude> Mostly on my own :)
[18:50] <MarkDude> They have a SIMPLE guiding principle: "Be excellent to each other" :)
[18:51] <MarkDude> Pretty much covers it all
[18:51]  * MarkDude needs to see when he wil get there
[18:51] <MarkDude> Time to get ready
[18:52] <DarkwingUDS> When are you showing up MarkDude?
[21:50] <Faqtotum> philipballew: are you in Hall East?
[21:52] <philipballew> Faqtotum, im listening to marco
[21:52] <philipballew> is that hall east?
[21:52] <Faqtotum> yeah, i'm right behind pleia2 if you see us
[21:55]  * philipballew sees Faqtotum at his 2
[21:56] <philipballew> im at your 8 probably
[21:57] <Faqtotum> are you wearing green?
[21:58] <philipballew> yeah! a green striped shirt
[21:59] <Faqtotum> longer hair than before