[09:50] <rmg51> Morning
[10:35] <JonathanD> Monring.
[11:39] <waltman> Morning.
[11:46] <InHisName1> the sky is UP, JonathanD
[11:46] <InHisName1> so's the sun.
[11:47] <InHisName1> somewhere up there
[11:47] <InHisName1> Morning, all!
[15:24] <MutantTurkey> mornin
[15:24] <JonathanD> howdy.
[17:14] <MutantTurkey> weewub
[17:15] <EvilResistance> ITS A MUTANT TURKEY
[17:15] <EvilResistance> mmm, turkey... now i'm hungry  for a turkey sandwich
[17:15]  * EvilResistance is not pleased
[17:17] <jedijf> mutant taco bell
[17:18]  * EvilResistance is now hungry for tacos
[17:18]  * EvilResistance is definitely not pleased
[17:18] <EvilResistance> oh, and PennBot died
[17:18]  * EvilResistance assumes the network at his apartment died
[17:19] <waltman> MutantTurkey: You might not want to go into UC 153. There are leftover turkey sandwiches in there!
[18:59] <MobileTurkey> Gnumeric is pretty good
[19:27] <waltman> it's no excel :)
[19:29] <passstab> why isn't it called gnomeric?
[19:30] <waltman> Presumably it's a pun on "numeric"
[19:34] <passstab> thats confusing
[19:36] <MobileTurkers>  for i in $(ls | grep '[0-9]'); do echo `echo $i` `diff <(ls $i) <(ls ../Masks/$i/Masks) | wc -l `; done
[19:36] <MobileTurkers> wohoo that's my bash foo for today
[19:38]  * passstab wishes all the projects whos name was on some level derived from GNU would rename themselves
[19:38] <passstab> GNU included
[19:39] <MobileTurkers> like everything part of the gnu core utils? passstab
[19:39] <passstab> sure
[19:39] <MobileTurkers> it'd be worse than kde
[19:39] <MobileTurkers> konqueror konversation konsole
[19:39] <MobileTurkers> tab completion sucks with kde.
[19:39] <passstab> GNU is a terrible name
[19:39] <MobileTurkers> recursive acroynms are retarded
[19:40] <passstab> i think Liberty would be a better name
[19:41] <MobileTurkey> why not just FSC?
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> free software collection
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> that's basically what it is
[19:42] <passstab> lol
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> UCSC
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> unix clone software collection
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> UUU
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> universal unix utils
[19:42] <MobileTurkey> just something other than GNU's Not UNIX
[19:43] <passstab> Liberty
[19:43] <MobileTurkey> what does that have to do with it?
[19:43] <MobileTurkey> i think naming projects after words is a bad thing.
[19:43] <waltman> passstab: I don't understand why you find 'gnumeric' confusing. It seems a perfectly reasonable name to me, and in the unix tradition of bad puns.
[19:44] <passstab> it just suggests that it is a gnu project
[19:44] <passstab> not a gnome one
[19:44] <MobileTurkey> ok
[19:44] <MobileTurkey> well sorry for misleading you?
[19:45] <waltman> see "gnucash" :)
[19:45] <passstab> it's nice to have a tradition
[19:45] <waltman> and gnuplot
[19:45] <passstab> but if we want to reach a larger audience
[19:46] <waltman> Why is it important to know if it's a GNU program?
[19:46] <waltman> At least gnumeric is a proper pun. gnucash and gnuplot just plopped the 'gnu' there for no reason at all.
[19:47] <passstab> we should stop using names that make the program sound like a tool for programers
[19:47] <MobileTurkey> or make the programmers sound like tools.
[19:47] <MobileTurkey> err :-)
[19:47] <passstab> lol
[19:47] <MobileTurkey> I think names should be destinct but also representitive of what they are
[19:48] <waltman> passstab: Perhaps it's only because you're a programmer that you associate 'gnu' with 'programming'. Muggles won't necessarily think that.
[19:48] <MobileTurkey> Thunderbird for example sucks at this, ktorrent is a good one.
[19:48] <passstab> no they’d see gibberish
[19:50] <waltman> It sounds to me like it has something to do with numbers.
[19:50] <passstab> yea gnucash is a good one
[19:50] <MobileTurkey> Konversation is at least vaguely good
[19:50] <waltman> I don't know. Probably the muggles are going to install Open/Libre Office and be done with it.
[19:51] <MobileTurkey> at least some Mnemonic device is important
[19:51] <passstab> but "the gimp" for instance...
[19:51] <MobileTurkey> gimp is just offensive.
[19:51] <waltman> gnucash is a fine program with a bad name and a kind of kludgey interface.
[19:53] <waltman> Even in the world of commercial software it's not uncommon for programs to have names tha have nothing to do with their function. What does 'excel' have to do with spreadsheets?
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> word
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> is good
[19:53] <waltman> Or 'quicken' with checkbooks?
[19:53] <MobileTurkey> adobe photoshop
[19:53] <waltman> adobe acrobat
[19:54] <passstab> photoshop is a great name
[19:54] <MobileTurkey> but agian, they have advantage of advertising and such
[19:55] <MobileTurkey> to make you remember
[19:55] <MobileTurkey> the budget of foss is smaller...
[19:55] <waltman> But I think muggles are smart enough to look through the menus of their fresh ubuntu install looking for programs.
[19:56] <passstab> i guess my beef is really just with gnu and gimp
[19:56] <waltman> I agree gimp is bad. GNU's been around for so long I don't notice it anymore.
[19:57] <passstab> but a newcomer might
[19:58] <waltman> I don't have a problem with gnu
[19:58] <passstab> but then i suppose my dislike of gnu stems from the fsf's attitude problems
[19:58] <waltman> I mean, at some point you just need to accept that it's the name of the project and move on with your life. :)
[19:59] <MobileTurkey> yeah
[19:59] <MobileTurkey> here I am using scrotwm.
[19:59] <waltman> You might recall that the name 'iPad' was universally panned with it was first announced. Didn't seem to hurt Apple one bit. :)
[20:01] <passstab> but srotwm is named that because it isn't targeting new users
[20:05] <passstab> "It was written by hackers for hackers and it strives to be small, compact and fast.”
[20:05] <MobileTurkey> yes
[20:05] <MobileTurkey> they also renamed it
[20:05] <MobileTurkey> recently i think
[20:05] <passstab> spectrwm
[20:05] <MobileTurkey> yeahh
[20:07] <passstab> i'll need to ask some outsiders what they think of the names
[20:35] <jedijf> rumpelstiltzken
[20:36] <EvilResistance> jedijf:  meh
[20:37] <MobileTurkey> jedijf: i really thought you were talking about a country in the middle east
[20:37] <MobileTurkey> rumpelstiltzikhan
[20:37] <MobileTurkey> rumpelstiltzistan
[20:37] <jedijf> Uversation
[20:37] <MobileTurkey> krumpelehastiltzistan
[20:38] <jedijf> Unity naming scheme
[20:38] <MobileTurkey> krump-el-e-ha-stiliz-stan
[20:38] <jedijf> unversation
[20:38] <MobileTurkey> Undo
[20:38] <jedijf> stolen from 7up