| WOLFEYES | Morning everyone... | 08:10 |
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| WOLFEYES | Sorry it has been a while but I been a bit busy. | 08:11 |
| charlvn | ohayo WOLFEYES | 08:22 |
| WOLFEYES | Heya :-) | 08:23 |
| Kilos | hi superfly and others | 08:30 |
| Kilos | lo highvoltage | 08:30 |
| Kilos | hiya maiatoday | 08:30 |
| maiatoday | hi Kilos | 08:31 |
| bakuman | hi Kilos | 08:34 |
| Kilos | yo bakuman | 08:34 |
| Kilos | môre inetpro | 08:37 |
| WOLFEYES | Heya Kilos | 08:42 |
| Kilos | gc coffee on | 08:42 |
| * gc puts the kettle on | 08:42 | |
| Kilos | hey WOLFEYES | 08:42 |
| WOLFEYES | gc ? Lol. Is he an update lol. | 08:42 |
| gc | WOLFEYES: If you say so | 08:42 |
| WOLFEYES | hehe | 08:42 |
| Kilos | gc is a stanby bot for if maaz crashes | 08:43 |
| gc | Coffee's ready for Kilos! | 08:46 |
| Kilos | gc ty | 08:46 |
| gc | It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos | 08:46 |
| bakuman | lol | 08:46 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 08:52 |
| WOLFEYES | So does this mean Maaz_ must redo his lisence if he crashed lol. | 08:53 |
| Kilos | no when one gets back here after being disconnected before a 256sec timeout you come back with your second choice nick | 08:54 |
| Kilos | Maaz_, fix your nick | 08:54 |
| Maaz_ | Kilos: *blink* | 08:54 |
| Kilos | Maaz_, nick | 08:54 |
| Maaz_ | Kilos: Sorry... | 08:54 |
| Kilos | sigh | 08:55 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 08:57 |
| Kilos | hiya sdehaan | 09:01 |
| Kilos | bbl. be good all | 09:08 |
| WOLFEYES | cheers all seeya later. | 09:26 |
| inetpro | Maaz_: tell Kilos I say hi | 11:18 |
| Maaz_ | inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 11:18 |
| inetpro | good mornings to everyone else | 11:46 |
| charlvn | ohayo inetpro | 12:06 |
| charlvn | hoe gaan dit | 12:06 |
| charlvn | btw mornings? | 12:06 |
| inetpro | charlvn: heh | 12:07 |
| inetpro | still feels like morning on this side | 12:07 |
| charlvn | ah i see, you just got up out of bed right? ;) | 12:07 |
| charlvn | you work from home i see :P | 12:07 |
| inetpro | to much to do still | 12:07 |
| charlvn | ah yes, i know the feeling | 12:07 |
| * inetpro works from work | 12:07 | |
| inetpro | and from home | 12:08 |
| charlvn | these days you can work from home and telehobby from work | 12:08 |
| charlvn | where you are is pretty-much becoming irrelevant | 12:08 |
| * inetpro hates MS product activation procedure | 12:11 | |
| inetpro | installed a copy of WinXP on a VM some time ago for testing rare stuffs in a win environment | 12:11 |
| inetpro | now I just tried starting the machine and can't even work on it anymore... before first activating | 12:12 |
| inetpro | only to find the MS numbers not working | 12:12 |
| charlvn | i use microsoft's own IE application compatibility vpc images and i even get those warnings | 12:16 |
| charlvn | apparently they couldn't just disable those even for their own virtual machines | 12:17 |
| * inetpro got through to Toll-free: (0) (801) 43 43 43 | 12:23 | |
| inetpro | sadly after entering the key it tells me that I may be a victim of fraud | 12:23 |
| inetpro | while it is a valid copy from some years ago... | 12:24 |
| charlvn | :D | 12:45 |
| charlvn | i would have told you to Just Crack It (TM) but that is illegal and i obviously don't promote or endorse illegal activity | 12:46 |
| charlvn | sheesh i sound like a corporate lawyer | 12:46 |
| kbmonkey | hi! | 15:03 |
| Banlam | ho! | 15:05 |
| kbmonkey | how goes it Banlam? | 15:06 |
| Banlam | good thanks, had a bit of a relaxing last week | 15:07 |
| Banlam | yourself? | 15:07 |
| kbmonkey | too much gin over the weekend. back at work all good | 15:07 |
| Banlam | heh | 15:08 |
| kbmonkey | heh in deed :] | 15:09 |
| * Banlam has never really drunk gin | 15:12 | |
| kbmonkey | it wasn't my fault. my sister made me do it. | 15:20 |
| kbmonkey | i can safely advise not to try it | 15:20 |
| kbmonkey | ;) | 15:20 |
| Banlam | pfft | 15:21 |
| Banlam | boring | 15:21 |
| mazal | Evening all | 16:04 |
| superfly | hi mazal | 16:04 |
| mazal | Everyone good this evening ? | 16:04 |
| * tumbleweed waves from UDS | 16:06 | |
| superfly | hey tumbleweed! | 16:11 |
| superfly | mazal: yep | 16:11 |
| tumbleweed | anyone watching the vide ostream? | 16:11 |
| superfly | no, didn't know there was one | 16:17 |
| tumbleweed | video.ubuntu.com/live | 16:17 |
| tumbleweed | mark's just about to start talking | 16:17 |
| superfly | he still sounds south african! | 16:18 |
| superfly | hrm, that's not working very well :-( | 16:22 |
| tumbleweed | apparently there's trouble... | 16:23 |
| * Kilos greets all of you | 17:33 | |
| Kilos | yo superfly all well there? | 17:36 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 17:36 |
| superfly | all well here | 17:36 |
| Kilos | good | 17:36 |
| Kilos | zeref, you here? | 17:36 |
| Mezenir | howdy everyone | 17:44 |
| Kilos | hi Mezenir howzit | 17:44 |
| Mezenir | pretty good :) | 17:46 |
| Mezenir | you ? | 17:47 |
| Kilos | good too ty | 17:47 |
| mazal | Lo Mezenir | 17:47 |
| superfly | heya Mezenir | 17:48 |
| Mezenir | what was that about a release party superfly ? | 17:50 |
| superfly | Mezenir: we had a release party on the 27th at UCT | 17:50 |
| Mezenir | ah ok | 17:50 |
| superfly | It was announced on the mailing list | 17:51 |
| Mezenir | mmm | 17:52 |
| Mezenir | i dont think i did that subscription quite right | 17:52 |
| Mezenir | will look again sometime | 17:53 |
| Mezenir | i only receive digests it seems | 17:53 |
| Kilos | hi psydroid | 17:53 |
| superfly | Mezenir: ah | 17:54 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos | 17:54 |
| psydroid | hi superfly | 17:54 |
| psydroid | hi Mezenir | 17:54 |
| superfly | heya psydroid | 17:54 |
| psydroid | I installed the latest ubuntu on my 10 year old laptop | 17:55 |
| psydroid | of course I disabled unity | 17:55 |
| Kilos | and everything works psydroid ? | 17:55 |
| Mezenir | hi psydroid | 17:55 |
| psydroid | I have just two problems | 17:55 |
| Kilos | ha ha | 17:55 |
| psydroid | Kilos, the full resolution isn't supported and I can't get Flash to work | 17:56 |
| psydroid | but hopefully the rest works | 17:56 |
| psydroid | it's not slower than 10.04 at least | 17:57 |
| Kilos | must just be some things you still gotta install | 17:57 |
| Kilos | thats good to here | 17:57 |
| Kilos | but 10.04 was a bit slower than 10.10 | 17:58 |
| Mezenir | for low end machines lubuntu is nice | 17:58 |
| Mezenir | are you trying to use flash with firefox | 17:59 |
| Mezenir | ? | 17:59 |
| Kilos | if you got uncapped ya Mezenir | 17:59 |
| Mezenir | well | 18:00 |
| Mezenir | its the same size as ubuntu | 18:01 |
| Mezenir | but yes probably more than upgrading | 18:01 |
| Kilos | yeah only you have to download the iso as well | 18:01 |
| Kilos | ubuntu one can get cds | 18:01 |
| Mezenir | how much are the cds | 18:03 |
| Kilos | they get sent to the different centres and you pick one up | 18:03 |
| Mezenir | thats cool | 18:04 |
| Kilos | yeah just about everything about ubuntu is cool | 18:04 |
| Mezenir | haha | 18:05 |
| Mezenir | read a funny comment about the rasspberry pi today | 18:05 |
| psydroid | it doesn't work in Chrome either | 18:05 |
| Mezenir | "now you can get a full pc and os cheaper than a microsoft windows license" | 18:05 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:05 |
| Kilos | psydroid, have you looked in synaptic or software centre and typed in flash | 18:06 |
| Mezenir | well psydroid long story short i had to download the latest version from the adobe labs | 18:06 |
| Mezenir | and i used a flashaid plugin for firefox to do it | 18:07 |
| Mezenir | the version that came with ubuntu didnt work for me | 18:07 |
| psydroid | Mezenir, I see, I will do that too | 18:11 |
| psydroid | I just didn't realise the normal release version wouldn't work | 18:12 |
| charlvn | flashplugin-installer is the name of the package | 18:12 |
| charlvn | if you selected to install 3rd party software during the installation that should also have done it | 18:12 |
| Mezenir | that being said i had this problem in 11.10 | 18:13 |
| Mezenir | not sure if it applies to 12.04 | 18:13 |
| charlvn | never had problems with either myself | 18:13 |
| charlvn | are you using 64-bit? | 18:13 |
| Mezenir | but i did use the flashplugin-installer package | 18:13 |
| Mezenir | yes it was | 18:14 |
| charlvn | strange, never had issues | 18:14 |
| charlvn | you're not using a proxy server or something weird are you? | 18:14 |
| Mezenir | nope | 18:14 |
| charlvn | the package is actually a nonsense package because all it does is it downloads flash using wget | 18:14 |
| charlvn | the package itself doesn't include flash | 18:14 |
| Mezenir | yeah | 18:14 |
| charlvn | it's just a script really | 18:15 |
| charlvn | which is also why it's so small | 18:15 |
| charlvn | i think they have to do that due to legal reasons or something | 18:15 |
| Mezenir | yes | 18:15 |
| Mezenir | but since updating flash fixed it | 18:15 |
| charlvn | and as much as i hate flash, i need it because i play a ton of online video on various websites | 18:15 |
| Mezenir | i guess its a problem on their side | 18:16 |
| charlvn | yeah flash had some major security hole or something recently | 18:16 |
| charlvn | who knows | 18:16 |
| Mezenir | thou it does not apply to everyone it seems | 18:16 |
| charlvn | yeah definitely doesn't apply to me in any case | 18:16 |
| charlvn | never had trouble with the package on either debian or ubuntu | 18:16 |
| Mezenir | yeah hopefully html5 will replace flash soon | 18:16 |
| charlvn | on debian it's a slightly different name - flashplugin-nonfree or so | 18:16 |
| Mezenir | i heard mac doesnt even support flash | 18:16 |
| psydroid | yeah, hmtl5 works fine | 18:16 |
| Mezenir | go steve jobs | 18:17 |
| charlvn | yeah i really hope html kicks flash's butt | 18:17 |
| charlvn | that's the one good thing that apple did for all of us - resist flash even though it might have some somewhat hypocritical on their part | 18:17 |
| charlvn | but even adobe is creating "html5" authoring tools | 18:17 |
| superfly | With browsers' very patchy support for "html5" it's pretty much a moving target at the moment | 18:24 |
| superfly | Inconsistent implementations, incomplete implementations, and no actual standard yet either makes it very difficult to implement something that comes close to flash | 18:25 |
| psydroid | but Adobe has already decided to stop support for anything related to Linux, so there is not much of a choice, anyway | 18:26 |
| Kilos | thats not nice of them | 18:28 |
| Kilos | they will be the losers in the long run | 18:28 |
| psydroid | I think they know it too | 18:29 |
| Kilos | someone else will design something for linux thats better | 18:29 |
| charlvn | well there's gnash but i've had mixed results with that in the past | 18:31 |
| Kilos | adobe was always convenient because it was already done but when there is no option the linux peeps will get together and sort the prob out | 18:31 |
| charlvn | but at this point the only thing i still use flash for is playing videos so as long as it supports that, i couldn't care less about the rest | 18:32 |
| charlvn | lets face it, that is about the only truly useful feature of flash these days, and that's also getting slowly replaced with html video | 18:32 |
| charlvn | youtube has already implemented it and it works really well | 18:32 |
| Kilos | mmm isnt there something with medibuntu that helps with video watching | 18:33 |
| Kilos | ah so there is an alternative going already | 18:33 |
| charlvn | hold on a second, let's get some context here | 18:34 |
| charlvn | http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html | 18:34 |
| Kilos | is that a clean text blog page charlvn or are there pictures and things | 18:35 |
| Kilos | oh i can wget it hey/ | 18:35 |
| charlvn | pretty much just clean text, why? | 18:35 |
| charlvn | or just lynx/links it | 18:35 |
| Kilos | no data to waste on stuff thats not relevant to working machine at the mo | 18:36 |
| charlvn | ah i see ok | 18:36 |
| superfly | charlvn: Kilos uses GPRS and doesn't have money to download lots of stuff | 18:36 |
| charlvn | lynx/links ftw | 18:36 |
| Kilos | isnt wget even better? | 18:36 |
| charlvn | on a related note, for those not on gprs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjR40_-ev4 | 18:36 |
| Mezenir | lynx is a minimal browser | 18:37 |
| charlvn | a small project i had a bit of involvement in actually | 18:37 |
| superfly | Kilos: lynx/links is a browser, wget is not | 18:37 |
| Kilos | yip superfly but i mean data use wise | 18:37 |
| charlvn | should be the same i believe | 18:37 |
| charlvn | it only renders text right? | 18:37 |
| Kilos | then i can open it with epiphany when offline | 18:37 |
| charlvn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29 | 18:38 |
| charlvn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_%28web_browser%29 | 18:38 |
| Mezenir | kilos | 18:38 |
| Mezenir | should i paste you the article ? | 18:38 |
| Mezenir | its about 5 paragraphs | 18:38 |
| Kilos | i can wget it if its of importance Mezenir | 18:39 |
| Kilos | wget is very frugal | 18:39 |
| Mezenir | the url says it all | 18:39 |
| Kilos | lol i have used links and lynx but need to think a while to get going everytime | 18:40 |
| charlvn | last time i used a text only browser i was in gaborone on a dysfunctional 128kbps link | 18:40 |
| charlvn | that cost 7000 pula per months even | 18:41 |
| charlvn | shameful honestly | 18:41 |
| Kilos | 18 kB with wget\ | 18:41 |
| charlvn | although i hear it's improved since then, dunno | 18:41 |
| charlvn | superfly: coming back to your earlier point, what is this about there being no actual standard for html? | 18:42 |
| superfly | charlvn: it isn't a standard yet, W3C is still working on the standard. | 18:42 |
| Mezenir | yeah | 18:43 |
| charlvn | nonsense | 18:43 |
| charlvn | basically there are two "flavours" of html at this point | 18:44 |
| charlvn | on the one-side, you have the whatwg-driven "html" | 18:44 |
| charlvn | on the other side, you have the w3c driven "html5" | 18:44 |
| superfly | charlvn: uh, no | 18:44 |
| charlvn | it started with the whatwg, then the w3c adopted it and called it html5 | 18:44 |
| charlvn | at this point, the two sets of specifications are not 100% equal | 18:44 |
| Mezenir | It is the fifth revision of the HTML standard (created in 1990 and standardized as HTML4 as of 1997)[2] and as of May 2012 is still under development. | 18:45 |
| Mezenir | says wikipedia | 18:45 |
| charlvn | link? | 18:45 |
| superfly | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5 | 18:45 |
| Mezenir | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5 | 18:46 |
| Mezenir | what he said | 18:46 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:46 |
| charlvn | read under history | 18:46 |
| charlvn | http://www.webmonkey.com/glossary/the-difference-between-the-whatwg-and-the-htmlwg/ | 18:47 |
| Kilos | night guys have a good one and sleep tight | 18:47 |
| charlvn | here is the living standard: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/ | 18:49 |
| charlvn | there are a huge amount of separate specifications that are classified under "html5", many of them have different statuses | 18:50 |
| charlvn | for user agent support on the individual specifications, you can consult sites such as this: http://caniuse.com/ | 18:50 |
| charlvn | in addition: http://www.smartcompany.com.au/information-technology/049382-w3c-finalising-html5-starting-work-on-html6.html | 18:53 |
| superfly | charlvn: except the browsers generally implement what w3c says | 18:54 |
| charlvn | yes, but the idea of there being "no actual standard" is clearly not true | 18:55 |
| Mezenir | interesting read | 18:56 |
| charlvn | for the record, i have been involved with the whatwg from before the w3c adopted html5 | 18:57 |
| Mezenir | looks like it will be recommended by w3c by 2014 | 18:57 |
| charlvn | not that it's my intention to brag but just to "qualify" myself http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/acknowledgements.html | 18:57 |
| charlvn | Mezenir: yes but the full recommendation date at this point is irrelevant because none of the browser vendors are going to wait until then | 18:58 |
| charlvn | for an idea of adoption, check caniuse.com | 18:58 |
| Mezenir | so as long as everyone looks at caniuse | 19:00 |
| Mezenir | things will hopefully stay compatbile | 19:00 |
| charlvn | well it's just one site out there, at the end of the day it's just a guide | 19:00 |
| charlvn | nothing is 100% compatible, but it's a problem we will have to deal with and work together with browser vendors to fix | 19:00 |
| Mezenir | lol | 19:01 |
| charlvn | for example, see this case: https://gist.github.com/2384288 and https://gist.github.com/2384482 | 19:01 |
| Mezenir | sounds like wpa vs wpa2 | 19:01 |
| Mezenir | people were unhappy with the insecurities of wep | 19:01 |
| charlvn | you can read the irc log here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120414 | 19:02 |
| Mezenir | but unwilling to wait for wpa2 | 19:02 |
| charlvn | lol | 19:02 |
| Mezenir | so they grabbed what was available | 19:02 |
| Mezenir | hence wpa | 19:02 |
| charlvn | only helped for a while until wpa2 was cracked http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa | 19:04 |
| Mezenir | lol | 19:04 |
| Mezenir | so much for that | 19:04 |
| charlvn | at least when you use a pre-shared key | 19:05 |
| charlvn | eduram has a better certificate-based system http://www.eduroam.org/ | 19:06 |
| charlvn | but, it's a pain to configure under ubuntu sadly :( | 19:07 |
| Mezenir | and the enterprise variants require a server | 19:08 |
| Mezenir | im turning off my access point :P | 19:11 |
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