[08:10] Morning everyone... [08:11] Sorry it has been a while but I been a bit busy. [08:22] ohayo WOLFEYES [08:23] Heya :-) [08:30] hi superfly and others [08:30] lo highvoltage [08:30] hiya maiatoday [08:31] hi Kilos [08:34] hi Kilos [08:34] yo bakuman [08:37] môre inetpro [08:42] Heya Kilos [08:42] gc coffee on [08:42] * gc puts the kettle on [08:42] hey WOLFEYES [08:42] gc ? Lol. Is he an update lol. [08:42] WOLFEYES: If you say so [08:42] hehe [08:43] gc is a stanby bot for if maaz crashes [08:46] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [08:46] gc ty [08:46] It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos [08:46] lol [08:52] lol [08:53] So does this mean Maaz_ must redo his lisence if he crashed lol. [08:54] no when one gets back here after being disconnected before a 256sec timeout you come back with your second choice nick [08:54] Maaz_, fix your nick [08:54] Kilos: *blink* [08:54] Maaz_, nick [08:54] Kilos: Sorry... [08:55] sigh [08:57] lol [09:01] hiya sdehaan [09:08] bbl. be good all [09:26] cheers all seeya later. [11:18] Maaz_: tell Kilos I say hi [11:18] inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [11:46] good mornings to everyone else [12:06] ohayo inetpro [12:06] hoe gaan dit [12:06] btw mornings? [12:07] charlvn: heh [12:07] still feels like morning on this side [12:07] ah i see, you just got up out of bed right? ;) [12:07] you work from home i see :P [12:07] to much to do still [12:07] ah yes, i know the feeling [12:07] * inetpro works from work [12:08] and from home [12:08] these days you can work from home and telehobby from work [12:08] where you are is pretty-much becoming irrelevant [12:11] * inetpro hates MS product activation procedure [12:11] installed a copy of WinXP on a VM some time ago for testing rare stuffs in a win environment [12:12] now I just tried starting the machine and can't even work on it anymore... before first activating [12:12] only to find the MS numbers not working [12:16] i use microsoft's own IE application compatibility vpc images and i even get those warnings [12:17] apparently they couldn't just disable those even for their own virtual machines [12:23] * inetpro got through to Toll-free: (0) (801) 43 43 43 [12:23] sadly after entering the key it tells me that I may be a victim of fraud [12:24] while it is a valid copy from some years ago... [12:45] :D [12:46] i would have told you to Just Crack It (TM) but that is illegal and i obviously don't promote or endorse illegal activity [12:46] sheesh i sound like a corporate lawyer [15:03] hi! [15:05] ho! [15:06] how goes it Banlam? [15:07] good thanks, had a bit of a relaxing last week [15:07] yourself? [15:07] too much gin over the weekend. back at work all good [15:08] heh [15:09] heh in deed :] [15:12] * Banlam has never really drunk gin [15:20] it wasn't my fault. my sister made me do it. [15:20] i can safely advise not to try it [15:20] ;) [15:21] pfft [15:21] boring [16:04] Evening all [16:04] hi mazal [16:04] Everyone good this evening ? [16:06] * tumbleweed waves from UDS [16:11] hey tumbleweed! [16:11] mazal: yep [16:11] anyone watching the vide ostream? [16:17] no, didn't know there was one [16:17] video.ubuntu.com/live [16:17] mark's just about to start talking [16:18] he still sounds south african! [16:22] hrm, that's not working very well :-( [16:23] apparently there's trouble... [17:33] * Kilos greets all of you [17:36] yo superfly all well there? [17:36] hi Kilos [17:36] all well here [17:36] good [17:36] zeref, you here? [17:44] howdy everyone [17:44] hi Mezenir howzit [17:46] pretty good :) [17:47] you ? [17:47] good too ty [17:47] Lo Mezenir [17:48] heya Mezenir [17:50] what was that about a release party superfly ? [17:50] Mezenir: we had a release party on the 27th at UCT [17:50] ah ok [17:51] It was announced on the mailing list [17:52] mmm [17:52] i dont think i did that subscription quite right [17:53] will look again sometime [17:53] i only receive digests it seems [17:53] hi psydroid [17:54] Mezenir: ah [17:54] hi Kilos [17:54] hi superfly [17:54] hi Mezenir [17:54] heya psydroid [17:55] I installed the latest ubuntu on my 10 year old laptop [17:55] of course I disabled unity [17:55] and everything works psydroid ? [17:55] hi psydroid [17:55] I have just two problems [17:55] ha ha [17:56] Kilos, the full resolution isn't supported and I can't get Flash to work [17:56] but hopefully the rest works [17:57] it's not slower than 10.04 at least [17:57] must just be some things you still gotta install [17:57] thats good to here [17:58] but 10.04 was a bit slower than 10.10 [17:58] for low end machines lubuntu is nice [17:59] are you trying to use flash with firefox [17:59] ? [17:59] if you got uncapped ya Mezenir [18:00] well [18:01] its the same size as ubuntu [18:01] but yes probably more than upgrading [18:01] yeah only you have to download the iso as well [18:01] ubuntu one can get cds [18:03] how much are the cds [18:03] they get sent to the different centres and you pick one up [18:04] thats cool [18:04] yeah just about everything about ubuntu is cool [18:05] haha [18:05] read a funny comment about the rasspberry pi today [18:05] it doesn't work in Chrome either [18:05] "now you can get a full pc and os cheaper than a microsoft windows license" [18:05] lol [18:06] psydroid, have you looked in synaptic or software centre and typed in flash [18:06] well psydroid long story short i had to download the latest version from the adobe labs [18:07] and i used a flashaid plugin for firefox to do it [18:07] the version that came with ubuntu didnt work for me [18:11] Mezenir, I see, I will do that too [18:12] I just didn't realise the normal release version wouldn't work [18:12] flashplugin-installer is the name of the package [18:12] if you selected to install 3rd party software during the installation that should also have done it [18:13] that being said i had this problem in 11.10 [18:13] not sure if it applies to 12.04 [18:13] never had problems with either myself [18:13] are you using 64-bit? [18:13] but i did use the flashplugin-installer package [18:14] yes it was [18:14] strange, never had issues [18:14] you're not using a proxy server or something weird are you? [18:14] nope [18:14] the package is actually a nonsense package because all it does is it downloads flash using wget [18:14] the package itself doesn't include flash [18:14] yeah [18:15] it's just a script really [18:15] which is also why it's so small [18:15] i think they have to do that due to legal reasons or something [18:15] yes [18:15] but since updating flash fixed it [18:15] and as much as i hate flash, i need it because i play a ton of online video on various websites [18:16] i guess its a problem on their side [18:16] yeah flash had some major security hole or something recently [18:16] who knows [18:16] thou it does not apply to everyone it seems [18:16] yeah definitely doesn't apply to me in any case [18:16] never had trouble with the package on either debian or ubuntu [18:16] yeah hopefully html5 will replace flash soon [18:16] on debian it's a slightly different name - flashplugin-nonfree or so [18:16] i heard mac doesnt even support flash [18:16] yeah, hmtl5 works fine [18:17] go steve jobs [18:17] yeah i really hope html kicks flash's butt [18:17] that's the one good thing that apple did for all of us - resist flash even though it might have some somewhat hypocritical on their part [18:17] but even adobe is creating "html5" authoring tools [18:24] With browsers' very patchy support for "html5" it's pretty much a moving target at the moment [18:25] Inconsistent implementations, incomplete implementations, and no actual standard yet either makes it very difficult to implement something that comes close to flash [18:26] but Adobe has already decided to stop support for anything related to Linux, so there is not much of a choice, anyway [18:28] thats not nice of them [18:28] they will be the losers in the long run [18:29] I think they know it too [18:29] someone else will design something for linux thats better [18:31] well there's gnash but i've had mixed results with that in the past [18:31] adobe was always convenient because it was already done but when there is no option the linux peeps will get together and sort the prob out [18:32] but at this point the only thing i still use flash for is playing videos so as long as it supports that, i couldn't care less about the rest [18:32] lets face it, that is about the only truly useful feature of flash these days, and that's also getting slowly replaced with html video [18:32] youtube has already implemented it and it works really well [18:33] mmm isnt there something with medibuntu that helps with video watching [18:33] ah so there is an alternative going already [18:34] hold on a second, let's get some context here [18:34] http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html [18:35] is that a clean text blog page charlvn or are there pictures and things [18:35] oh i can wget it hey/ [18:35] pretty much just clean text, why? [18:35] or just lynx/links it [18:36] no data to waste on stuff thats not relevant to working machine at the mo [18:36] ah i see ok [18:36] charlvn: Kilos uses GPRS and doesn't have money to download lots of stuff [18:36] lynx/links ftw [18:36] isnt wget even better? [18:36] on a related note, for those not on gprs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjR40_-ev4 [18:37] lynx is a minimal browser [18:37] a small project i had a bit of involvement in actually [18:37] Kilos: lynx/links is a browser, wget is not [18:37] yip superfly but i mean data use wise [18:37] should be the same i believe [18:37] it only renders text right? [18:37] then i can open it with epiphany when offline [18:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29 [18:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_%28web_browser%29 [18:38] kilos [18:38] should i paste you the article ? [18:38] its about 5 paragraphs [18:39] i can wget it if its of importance Mezenir [18:39] wget is very frugal [18:39] the url says it all [18:40] lol i have used links and lynx but need to think a while to get going everytime [18:40] last time i used a text only browser i was in gaborone on a dysfunctional 128kbps link [18:41] that cost 7000 pula per months even [18:41] shameful honestly [18:41] 18 kB with wget\ [18:41] although i hear it's improved since then, dunno [18:42] superfly: coming back to your earlier point, what is this about there being no actual standard for html? [18:42] charlvn: it isn't a standard yet, W3C is still working on the standard. [18:43] yeah [18:43] nonsense [18:44] basically there are two "flavours" of html at this point [18:44] on the one-side, you have the whatwg-driven "html" [18:44] on the other side, you have the w3c driven "html5" [18:44] charlvn: uh, no [18:44] it started with the whatwg, then the w3c adopted it and called it html5 [18:44] at this point, the two sets of specifications are not 100% equal [18:45] It is the fifth revision of the HTML standard (created in 1990 and standardized as HTML4 as of 1997)[2] and as of May 2012 is still under development. [18:45] says wikipedia [18:45] link? [18:45] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5 [18:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5 [18:46] what he said [18:46] hehe [18:46] read under history [18:47] http://www.webmonkey.com/glossary/the-difference-between-the-whatwg-and-the-htmlwg/ [18:47] night guys have a good one and sleep tight [18:49] here is the living standard: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/ [18:50] there are a huge amount of separate specifications that are classified under "html5", many of them have different statuses [18:50] for user agent support on the individual specifications, you can consult sites such as this: http://caniuse.com/ [18:53] in addition: http://www.smartcompany.com.au/information-technology/049382-w3c-finalising-html5-starting-work-on-html6.html [18:54] charlvn: except the browsers generally implement what w3c says [18:55] yes, but the idea of there being "no actual standard" is clearly not true [18:56] interesting read [18:57] for the record, i have been involved with the whatwg from before the w3c adopted html5 [18:57] looks like it will be recommended by w3c by 2014 [18:57] not that it's my intention to brag but just to "qualify" myself http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/acknowledgements.html [18:58] Mezenir: yes but the full recommendation date at this point is irrelevant because none of the browser vendors are going to wait until then [18:58] for an idea of adoption, check caniuse.com [19:00] so as long as everyone looks at caniuse [19:00] things will hopefully stay compatbile [19:00] well it's just one site out there, at the end of the day it's just a guide [19:00] nothing is 100% compatible, but it's a problem we will have to deal with and work together with browser vendors to fix [19:01] lol [19:01] for example, see this case: https://gist.github.com/2384288 and https://gist.github.com/2384482 [19:01] sounds like wpa vs wpa2 [19:01] people were unhappy with the insecurities of wep [19:02] you can read the irc log here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120414 [19:02] but unwilling to wait for wpa2 [19:02] lol [19:02] so they grabbed what was available [19:02] hence wpa [19:04] only helped for a while until wpa2 was cracked http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa [19:04] lol [19:04] so much for that [19:05] at least when you use a pre-shared key [19:06] eduram has a better certificate-based system http://www.eduroam.org/ [19:07] but, it's a pain to configure under ubuntu sadly :( [19:08] and the enterprise variants require a server [19:11] im turning off my access point :P