[08:10] <WOLFEYES> Morning everyone...
[08:11] <WOLFEYES> Sorry it has been a while but I been a bit busy.
[08:22] <charlvn> ohayo WOLFEYES 
[08:23] <WOLFEYES> Heya :-)
[08:30] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[08:30] <Kilos> lo highvoltage 
[08:30] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[08:31] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[08:34] <bakuman> hi Kilos
[08:34] <Kilos> yo bakuman 
[08:37] <Kilos> môre inetpro 
[08:42] <WOLFEYES> Heya Kilos 
[08:42] <Kilos> gc coffee on
[08:42]  * gc puts the kettle on
[08:42] <Kilos> hey WOLFEYES 
[08:42] <WOLFEYES> gc ? Lol. Is he an update lol.
[08:42] <gc> WOLFEYES: If you say so
[08:42] <WOLFEYES> hehe
[08:43] <Kilos> gc is a stanby bot for if maaz crashes
[08:46] <gc> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[08:46] <Kilos> gc ty
[08:46] <gc> It's a pleasure to serve humans Kilos
[08:46] <bakuman> lol
[08:52] <WOLFEYES> lol
[08:53] <WOLFEYES> So does this mean Maaz_ must redo his lisence if he crashed lol.
[08:54] <Kilos> no when one gets back here after being disconnected before a 256sec timeout you come back with your second choice nick
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz_, fix your nick
[08:54] <Maaz_> Kilos: *blink*
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz_, nick
[08:54] <Maaz_> Kilos: Sorry...
[08:55] <Kilos> sigh
[08:57] <WOLFEYES> lol
[09:01] <Kilos> hiya sdehaan 
[09:08] <Kilos> bbl. be good all
[09:26] <WOLFEYES> cheers all seeya later.
[11:18] <inetpro> Maaz_: tell Kilos I say hi
[11:18] <Maaz_> inetpro: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[11:46] <inetpro> good mornings to everyone else
[12:06] <charlvn> ohayo inetpro 
[12:06] <charlvn> hoe gaan dit
[12:06] <charlvn> btw mornings?
[12:07] <inetpro> charlvn: heh
[12:07] <inetpro> still feels like morning on this side
[12:07] <charlvn> ah i see, you just got up out of bed right? ;)
[12:07] <charlvn> you work from home i see :P
[12:07] <inetpro> to much to do still
[12:07] <charlvn> ah yes, i know the feeling
[12:07]  * inetpro works from work
[12:08] <inetpro> and from home
[12:08] <charlvn> these days you can work from home and telehobby from work
[12:08] <charlvn> where you are is pretty-much becoming irrelevant
[12:11]  * inetpro hates MS product activation procedure
[12:11] <inetpro> installed a copy of WinXP on a VM some time ago for testing rare stuffs in a win environment
[12:12] <inetpro> now I just tried starting the machine and can't even work on it anymore... before first activating
[12:12] <inetpro> only to find the MS numbers not working
[12:16] <charlvn> i use microsoft's own IE application compatibility vpc images and i even get those warnings
[12:17] <charlvn> apparently they couldn't just disable those even for their own virtual machines
[12:23]  * inetpro got through to Toll-free: (0) (801) 43 43 43
[12:23] <inetpro> sadly after entering the key it tells me that I may be a victim of fraud
[12:24] <inetpro> while it is a valid copy from some years ago...
[12:45] <charlvn> :D
[12:46] <charlvn> i would have told you to Just Crack It (TM) but that is illegal and i obviously don't promote or endorse illegal activity
[12:46] <charlvn> sheesh i sound like a corporate lawyer
[15:03] <kbmonkey> hi!
[15:05] <Banlam> ho!
[15:06] <kbmonkey> how goes it Banlam?
[15:07] <Banlam> good thanks, had a bit of a relaxing last week
[15:07] <Banlam> yourself?
[15:07] <kbmonkey> too much gin over the weekend. back at work all good
[15:08] <Banlam> heh
[15:09] <kbmonkey> heh in deed :]
[15:12]  * Banlam has never really drunk gin
[15:20] <kbmonkey> it wasn't my fault. my sister made me do it. 
[15:20] <kbmonkey> i can safely advise not to try it
[15:20] <kbmonkey> ;)
[15:21] <Banlam> pfft
[15:21] <Banlam> boring
[16:04] <mazal> Evening all
[16:04] <superfly> hi mazal
[16:04] <mazal> Everyone good this evening ?
[16:06]  * tumbleweed waves from UDS
[16:11] <superfly> hey tumbleweed!
[16:11] <superfly> mazal: yep
[16:11] <tumbleweed> anyone watching the vide ostream?
[16:17] <superfly> no, didn't know there was one
[16:17] <tumbleweed> video.ubuntu.com/live
[16:17] <tumbleweed> mark's just about to start talking
[16:18] <superfly> he still sounds south african!
[16:22] <superfly> hrm, that's not working very well :-(
[16:23] <tumbleweed> apparently there's trouble...
[17:33]  * Kilos greets all of you
[17:36] <Kilos> yo superfly all well there?
[17:36] <superfly> hi Kilos
[17:36] <superfly> all well here
[17:36] <Kilos> good
[17:36] <Kilos> zeref, you here?
[17:44] <Mezenir> howdy everyone
[17:44] <Kilos> hi Mezenir howzit
[17:46] <Mezenir> pretty good :)
[17:47] <Mezenir> you ?
[17:47] <Kilos> good too ty
[17:47] <mazal> Lo Mezenir
[17:48] <superfly> heya Mezenir
[17:50] <Mezenir> what was that about a release party superfly ?
[17:50] <superfly> Mezenir: we had a release party on the 27th at UCT
[17:50] <Mezenir> ah ok
[17:51] <superfly> It was announced on the mailing list
[17:52] <Mezenir> mmm
[17:52] <Mezenir> i dont think i did that subscription quite right
[17:53] <Mezenir> will look again sometime
[17:53] <Mezenir> i only receive digests it seems
[17:53] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[17:54] <superfly> Mezenir: ah
[17:54] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[17:54] <psydroid> hi superfly
[17:54] <psydroid> hi Mezenir
[17:54] <superfly> heya psydroid
[17:55] <psydroid> I installed the latest ubuntu on my 10 year old laptop
[17:55] <psydroid> of course I disabled unity
[17:55] <Kilos> and everything works psydroid ?
[17:55] <Mezenir> hi psydroid
[17:55] <psydroid> I have just two problems
[17:55] <Kilos> ha ha
[17:56] <psydroid> Kilos, the full resolution isn't supported and I can't get Flash to work
[17:56] <psydroid> but hopefully the rest works
[17:57] <psydroid> it's not slower than 10.04 at least
[17:57] <Kilos> must just be some things you still gotta install
[17:57] <Kilos> thats good to here
[17:58] <Kilos> but 10.04 was a bit slower than 10.10
[17:58] <Mezenir> for low end machines lubuntu is nice
[17:59] <Mezenir> are you trying to use flash with firefox 
[17:59] <Mezenir> ?
[17:59] <Kilos> if you got uncapped ya Mezenir 
[18:00] <Mezenir> well
[18:01] <Mezenir> its the same size as ubuntu
[18:01] <Mezenir> but yes probably more than upgrading
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah only you have to download the iso as well
[18:01] <Kilos> ubuntu one can get cds
[18:03] <Mezenir> how much are the cds
[18:03] <Kilos> they get sent to the different centres and you pick one up
[18:04] <Mezenir> thats cool
[18:04] <Kilos> yeah just about everything about ubuntu is cool
[18:05] <Mezenir> haha
[18:05] <Mezenir> read a funny comment about the rasspberry pi today
[18:05] <psydroid> it doesn't work in Chrome either
[18:05] <Mezenir> "now you can get a full pc and os cheaper than a microsoft windows license"
[18:05] <Kilos> lol
[18:06] <Kilos> psydroid, have you looked in synaptic or software centre and typed in flash
[18:06] <Mezenir> well psydroid long story short i had to download the latest version from the adobe labs
[18:07] <Mezenir> and i used a flashaid plugin for firefox to do it
[18:07] <Mezenir> the version that came with ubuntu didnt work for me
[18:11] <psydroid> Mezenir, I see, I will do that too
[18:12] <psydroid> I just didn't realise the normal release version wouldn't work
[18:12] <charlvn> flashplugin-installer is the name of the package
[18:12] <charlvn> if you selected to install 3rd party software during the installation that should also have done it
[18:13] <Mezenir> that being said i had this problem in 11.10
[18:13] <Mezenir> not sure if it applies to 12.04
[18:13] <charlvn> never had problems with either myself
[18:13] <charlvn> are you using 64-bit?
[18:13] <Mezenir> but i did use the flashplugin-installer package
[18:14] <Mezenir> yes it was
[18:14] <charlvn> strange, never had issues
[18:14] <charlvn> you're not using a proxy server or something weird are you?
[18:14] <Mezenir> nope
[18:14] <charlvn> the package is actually a nonsense package because all it does is it downloads flash using wget
[18:14] <charlvn> the package itself doesn't include flash
[18:14] <Mezenir> yeah
[18:15] <charlvn> it's just a script really
[18:15] <charlvn> which is also why it's so small
[18:15] <charlvn> i think they have to do that due to legal reasons or something
[18:15] <Mezenir> yes
[18:15] <Mezenir> but since updating flash fixed it
[18:15] <charlvn> and as much as i hate flash, i need it because i play a ton of online video on various websites
[18:16] <Mezenir> i guess its a problem on their side
[18:16] <charlvn> yeah flash had some major security hole or something recently
[18:16] <charlvn> who knows
[18:16] <Mezenir> thou it does not apply to everyone it seems
[18:16] <charlvn> yeah definitely doesn't apply to me in any case
[18:16] <charlvn> never had trouble with the package on either debian or ubuntu
[18:16] <Mezenir> yeah hopefully html5 will replace flash soon
[18:16] <charlvn> on debian it's a slightly different name - flashplugin-nonfree or so
[18:16] <Mezenir> i heard mac doesnt even support flash
[18:16] <psydroid> yeah, hmtl5 works fine
[18:17] <Mezenir> go steve jobs
[18:17] <charlvn> yeah i really hope html kicks flash's butt
[18:17] <charlvn> that's the one good thing that apple did for all of us - resist flash even though it might have some somewhat hypocritical on their part
[18:17] <charlvn> but even adobe is creating "html5" authoring tools
[18:24] <superfly> With browsers' very patchy support for "html5" it's pretty much a moving target at the moment
[18:25] <superfly> Inconsistent implementations, incomplete implementations, and no actual standard yet either makes it very difficult to implement something that comes close to flash
[18:26] <psydroid> but Adobe has already decided to stop support for anything related to Linux, so there is not much of a choice, anyway
[18:28] <Kilos> thats not nice of them
[18:28] <Kilos> they will be the losers in the long run
[18:29] <psydroid> I think they know it too
[18:29] <Kilos> someone else will design something for linux thats better
[18:31] <charlvn> well there's gnash but i've had mixed results with that in the past
[18:31] <Kilos> adobe was always convenient because it was already done but when there is no option the linux peeps will get together and sort the prob out
[18:32] <charlvn> but at this point the only thing i still use flash for is playing videos so as long as it supports that, i couldn't care less about the rest
[18:32] <charlvn> lets face it, that is about the only truly useful feature of flash these days, and that's also getting slowly replaced with html video
[18:32] <charlvn> youtube has already implemented it and it works really well
[18:33] <Kilos> mmm isnt there something with medibuntu that helps with video watching
[18:33] <Kilos> ah so there is an alternative going already
[18:34] <charlvn> hold on a second, let's get some context here
[18:34] <charlvn> http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplayer/2012/02/adobe-and-google-partnering-for-flash-player-on-linux.html
[18:35] <Kilos> is that a clean text blog page charlvn or are there pictures and things
[18:35] <Kilos> oh i can wget it hey/
[18:35] <charlvn> pretty much just clean text, why?
[18:35] <charlvn> or just lynx/links it
[18:36] <Kilos> no data to waste on stuff thats not relevant to working machine at the mo
[18:36] <charlvn> ah i see ok
[18:36] <superfly> charlvn: Kilos uses GPRS and doesn't have money to download lots of stuff
[18:36] <charlvn> lynx/links ftw
[18:36] <Kilos> isnt wget even better?
[18:36] <charlvn> on a related note, for those not on gprs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjR40_-ev4
[18:37] <Mezenir> lynx is a minimal browser
[18:37] <charlvn> a small project i had a bit of involvement in actually
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: lynx/links is a browser, wget is not
[18:37] <Kilos> yip superfly  but i mean data use wise
[18:37] <charlvn> should be the same i believe
[18:37] <charlvn> it only renders text right?
[18:37] <Kilos> then i can open it with epiphany when offline
[18:38] <charlvn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_%28web_browser%29
[18:38] <charlvn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_%28web_browser%29
[18:38] <Mezenir> kilos
[18:38] <Mezenir> should i paste you the article ?
[18:38] <Mezenir> its about 5 paragraphs
[18:39] <Kilos> i can wget it if its of importance Mezenir 
[18:39] <Kilos> wget is very frugal
[18:39] <Mezenir> the url says it all
[18:40] <Kilos> lol i have used links and lynx but need to think a while to get going everytime
[18:40] <charlvn> last time i used a text only browser i was in gaborone on a dysfunctional 128kbps link
[18:41] <charlvn> that cost 7000 pula per months even
[18:41] <charlvn> shameful honestly
[18:41] <Kilos> 18 kB with wget\
[18:41] <charlvn> although i hear it's improved since then, dunno
[18:42] <charlvn> superfly: coming back to your earlier point, what is this about there being no actual standard for html?
[18:42] <superfly> charlvn: it isn't a standard yet, W3C is still working on the standard.
[18:43] <Mezenir> yeah
[18:43] <charlvn> nonsense
[18:44] <charlvn> basically there are two "flavours" of html at this point
[18:44] <charlvn> on the one-side, you have the whatwg-driven "html"
[18:44] <charlvn> on the other side, you have the w3c driven "html5"
[18:44] <superfly> charlvn: uh, no
[18:44] <charlvn> it started with the whatwg, then the w3c adopted it and called it html5
[18:44] <charlvn> at this point, the two sets of specifications are not 100% equal
[18:45] <Mezenir> It is the fifth revision of the HTML standard (created in 1990 and standardized as HTML4 as of 1997)[2] and as of May 2012 is still under development.
[18:45] <Mezenir> says wikipedia
[18:45] <charlvn> link?
[18:45] <superfly> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[18:46] <Mezenir> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5
[18:46] <Mezenir> what he said
[18:46] <Kilos> hehe
[18:46] <charlvn> read under history
[18:47] <charlvn> http://www.webmonkey.com/glossary/the-difference-between-the-whatwg-and-the-htmlwg/
[18:47] <Kilos> night guys have a good one and sleep tight
[18:49] <charlvn> here is the living standard: http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
[18:50] <charlvn> there are a huge amount of separate specifications that are classified under "html5", many of them have different statuses
[18:50] <charlvn> for user agent support on the individual specifications, you can consult sites such as this: http://caniuse.com/
[18:53] <charlvn> in addition: http://www.smartcompany.com.au/information-technology/049382-w3c-finalising-html5-starting-work-on-html6.html
[18:54] <superfly> charlvn: except the browsers generally implement what w3c says
[18:55] <charlvn> yes, but the idea of there being "no actual standard" is clearly not true
[18:56] <Mezenir> interesting read
[18:57] <charlvn> for the record, i have been involved with the whatwg from before the w3c adopted html5
[18:57] <Mezenir> looks like it will be recommended by w3c by 2014
[18:57] <charlvn> not that it's my intention to brag but just to "qualify" myself http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/acknowledgements.html
[18:58] <charlvn> Mezenir: yes but the full recommendation date at this point is irrelevant because none of the browser vendors are going to wait until then
[18:58] <charlvn> for an idea of adoption, check caniuse.com
[19:00] <Mezenir> so as long as everyone looks at caniuse
[19:00] <Mezenir> things will hopefully stay compatbile
[19:00] <charlvn> well it's just one site out there, at the end of the day it's just a guide
[19:00] <charlvn> nothing is 100% compatible, but it's a problem we will have to deal with and work together with browser vendors to fix
[19:01] <Mezenir> lol
[19:01] <charlvn> for example, see this case: https://gist.github.com/2384288 and https://gist.github.com/2384482
[19:01] <Mezenir> sounds like wpa vs wpa2
[19:01] <Mezenir> people were unhappy with the insecurities of wep
[19:02] <charlvn> you can read the irc log here: http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/whatwg/20120414
[19:02] <Mezenir> but unwilling to wait for wpa2
[19:02] <charlvn> lol
[19:02] <Mezenir> so they grabbed what was available
[19:02] <Mezenir> hence wpa
[19:04] <charlvn> only helped for a while until wpa2 was cracked http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=cracking_wpa
[19:04] <Mezenir> lol
[19:04] <Mezenir> so much for that
[19:05] <charlvn> at least when you use a pre-shared key
[19:06] <charlvn> eduram has a better certificate-based system http://www.eduroam.org/
[19:07] <charlvn> but, it's a pain to configure under ubuntu sadly :(
[19:08] <Mezenir> and the enterprise variants require a server
[19:11] <Mezenir> im turning off my access point :P