[00:00] might have to check the logs [00:00] no dice? [00:00] Been doing that [00:00] Doesn't seem to be anything in the X.org log to tell me what's going on... [00:00] GridCube: Means it didn't work [00:01] you already tried gdm? [00:01] that was fast [00:01] dmesg? [00:01] well don't know then [00:01] GridCube: Yep, already replaced lightdm [00:01] AxD09: A bunch of nouveau spam but nothing that looks like an error [00:02] wonder if blacklisting nouveau or install the official drivers would help [00:03] AxD09: That's my thought... Damn nouveau has been a ballbuster on a bunch of boxen and distros for me for over a year now. :P [00:04] I love linux setups, but the tweaks. My god, the tweaks and fixes. [00:04] Normally I'm okay with that [00:04] but making something so flaky a default just makes me facepalm. :P [00:05] eh, it's the way things are nowadays unless you want something a bit harder to setup. [00:07] Harder to setup isn't a problem. Maintain, on the other hand... [00:07] if it wasn't for having to maintain three dozen boxen, I'd still be using Slack. :) [00:10] i havnet had that many problems actually [00:10] Let's hope the wifi card works :) [00:11] It's crazy how common the broadcoms are, yet the give people so much trouble [00:11] Yeah. Got that working, thank the maker [00:13] Okay... used jockey-text to install nvidia, blacklisted nouveau... rebooting now. Here goes nothin' [00:14] Damn it [00:14] now I get a glimpse of the nvidia splash screen before it goes back to gdm [00:15] So it's not lightdm and not nouveau [00:15] joy [00:16] you dont need a login manager to start xfce, right? [00:17] nope [00:17] nope [00:17] found something interesting in auth.conf tho [00:17] well yea, was more of a suggestion [00:17] "nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0" ? [00:20] hmm [00:20] http://skralljt.info/?p=586 [00:20] Looks like iut might be PAM screwing with me [00:21] nope. [00:21] the link? [00:21] Yeah, changed the perms but no help there [00:22] same messages in auth.log [00:22] forum link that seems related. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921178&page=2 [00:22] but you dont even get a login screen? [00:23] No, I get the login screen. Once I login, it flashes the Nvidia logo (so it's using the right driver) then goes black and dumps me back to the login [00:23] the login screen or a tty login? [00:23] GDM login [00:23] so infinite gdm login? [00:24] yeah [00:24] I've had my system repeat the login once or twice before, but then it kicked out of it. [00:24] I've tried it up to 5. No change. :P [00:25] did you try a new user account? [00:26] ... [00:26] Of course. [00:26] That works. Pardon me a moment. I'm going to go put my head through the wall [00:26] well im no expert, just putting out randon ideas [00:27] Well yeah. We used up the ideas that made sense some time ago and were into the "blindly flailing" stages. : [00:27] :) [00:28] Guess I put too much faith in the installer not to screw up something as mind-meltingly complex as creating a user... <_< [00:28] googling like crazy but my connection is slooow [00:28] one more idea. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9511307 [00:28] No, you were right [00:29] creating a new user worked [00:29] so I just blew out the homedir and it's working [00:29] ha, no idea. Blind fumbling... [00:29] I appreciate the fumbling along with me. [00:29] no prob, love helping [00:30] Now I get to go do the actual post-install tweaking. Much obliged. Thanks [00:30] good luck [00:37] hi all... I heard this channel is so awesome you would even be able to assist me with some Unity issues I have? [00:37] nope. #ubuntu for unity [00:37] hi, does anyone know how to fix this error (xfdesktop:1814): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-CRITICAL **: dbusmenu_server_set_root: assertion `DBUSMENU_IS_MENUITEM(root)' failed? I googled it but it did not show anything that would help [00:37] knome: :( I guess I was misinformed [00:38] not_found, lol [00:38] :p just messing with you all... keep up the awesome work all :) === IdleOne is now known as Guest21295 === Guest21295 is now known as IdleOne === jay is now known as Guest66811 === superdave321 is now known as rinzler [09:31] Hi all: Is there a list of known problems with the gcc in 12.04? I have codethat runs OK on otherLinux releases but is odd on xubuntu [10:08] Just a quick check: has the 10.04->12.04 update showed up on the update manager yet? My VM isn't showing it and I just want to make sure nothing's buggered. :) [10:09] I woudl not upgrade to 12.04, rather do a clean install. [10:09] afaik the upgrade to 12.04 will not show until it's 12.04.1 - read it somewhere yesterday [10:10] though that 'might' be for servers [10:10] hobgoblin: Makes sense. [10:11] On the servers, I'm doing clean installs. Figured I'd test it out on a VM I can backup, on the off chance it saves me having to re-tweak the whole damn thing. :) [10:11] I upgraded 3 machines with no problems - though they were all 11.10 installs [10:20] so no one knows about compilation problems? [10:20] jpff: so far i haven't encountered any, but i haven't compiled much yet in precise [10:22] you might wanna wait for someone else or ask on the mailinglist [10:22] that might be more efficient [10:23] Thanks. Will try the mailing list [11:16] HEllo everyone [11:16] I'm trying to lock down my xubuntu, so that users basicaly only see a few icons on their desktop and thats it [11:17] any suggestions? I tried kiosk mode but I couldn't locate the xfce4 config file [11:27] there should be something like ${sysconfdir}/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc [11:27] but its not there [11:32] Carpe|Diem: have you had a look at http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode yet? [11:32] ochosi: yes thats where i started [11:32] but that config file is not on my xubuntu box [11:32] Carpe|Diem: well then if the file doesn't exist simply create it [11:32] its a newly installed 12.04 [11:32] the instructions of how to do that are on that page [11:32] that will just work? [11:33] tbh i don't know because i've never used kiosk mode [11:33] :] [11:33] you can also try asking in #xfce btw [11:33] okay [11:33] well i dont even know if kiosk mode will be sufficient for me [11:33] just in case you don't get anyone here who has used this before [11:33] i need a completely locked down eviroment [11:34] how safe? [11:34] well, its gonna be a public computer that should be used to connect to my citrix farm [11:34] thats all it should do [11:34] i was thinking of just locking down the GUI [11:34] well user-rights is one way of locking things down [11:35] yes [11:35] then disable all keyboard-shortcuts [11:35] and only show the deskop, no panel [11:35] yes thats what im trying to aim at [11:35] you think xfce is able to do that? [11:35] i assume it is... [11:35] and configure the desktop with kiosk mode, or just change the settings of that particular user, if it's only going to be one [11:35] yes, i'd say sop [11:35] -p [11:35] well its only going to be one yes :) [11:36] well ive got trouble finding the config files of xfce4 [11:36] i can only find xml files [11:36] then you can configure the desktop for that user via xfconf to not do anything [11:36] don't edit the xml files by hand, there's the settings-editor for that [11:37] oh [11:37] ok [11:37] was looking for keyboard shortcuts etc [11:37] that's all also editable via settings-editor [11:37] okay [11:37] if you don't want to use the settings-manager [11:37] or xfconf-query (which is the cli to settings-editor/xfconf) [11:38] oh [11:38] so where can i find the settings editor? is that the one I can find in the menu? [11:38] in fact xfconf-query would probably be the way to go, because it's hard to lock down a user while being logged in as that user [11:38] yes [11:38] yup [11:38] you've got a point there [11:38] so you can log in via tty as that user [11:39] change all the settings and test via logging into the x-session [11:39] lovely [11:39] i'll use that approach [11:39] it could also be that for kiosk mode that you'd have to create a separate session, i'm not 100% sure [11:39] Possibly, i'll have to find out :) [11:39] one last hint: stay logged in with your main user in your X-session so you can check the settings you'd wanna change via cli in the settings-editor ;) [11:40] oh yes [11:40] good hint :) [11:40] thanks very much, ochosi [11:40] :) [11:40] np [12:01] how can i see the grub page at boot to pass some parameters? xubuntu 12.04 [12:10] what happens if i set GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 to 0? [12:10] the boot is faster? [12:11] not sure [12:11] maybe 0 is unlimited [12:11] set it to 1 [12:11] lol [12:11] ok [12:12] ty [13:43] Hello [13:43] is there any wall-paper desktop roll application like webilder for xubuntu? [13:44] Papa-Smurf: what is a desktop-roll application? auto-changing desktop backgrounds? [13:45] ochosi, yes that is :) [13:45] Papa-Smurf: depending on how willing you are to experiment, in xfce4.10 this feature is included already [13:45] Papa-Smurf: so if you install that via the dev-ppa (will be updated in a few days with xfce4.10) it should work, i haven't tested it though [13:46] i'm still in Xfce4.8 [13:46] Xubuntu 12.04 [13:46] you can also write a quick script [13:46] it's not very hard, you can change the wallpaper via xfconf [13:47] then throw that in a cronjob and you're done [13:47] yes sure :) [13:47] but i would like to download some nice pictures from flirck [13:47] you mean automagically? [13:47] webilder does that nicely [13:47] yes [13:47] ah ok [13:47] i thought it was just about cycling images you already have [13:48] in that case i don't know :) [13:48] maybe you can adjust webilder [13:48] Webilder works nicely in Gnome [13:48] but i haven't tested in Xfce [13:49] thanks ochosi for your help [13:49] :) [13:53] is anyone upgrade to 4.10 with https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa ? [13:53] * ochosi [14:34] what's the optimal way to change dns servers? editing /etc/resolv.conf says that "don't edit by hand, changes will be overwritten" [14:42] is anyone upgrade to 4.10 with https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa ? [14:43] i'm also interested at the question of aguitel [14:44] You might get much more interesting answers other than [yes|no] if you had a more specific question, though. [14:44] i want to know if this upgrade works [14:57] hello. is there anyone here who could guide me to making hibernate work on 12.04? I already tried this and failed: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html [14:59] xubuntu433: personally, i dont feel hibernate is worth the hassle [14:59] xubuntu433: takes about as much time, if not more to just shutdown and restart [15:00] I'm in a dilema [15:00] hmh, laptop volume control keys still don't work [15:01] xubuntu433, it say:Unfortunately, hibernate doesn't work in many cases with Ubuntu, which can cause you to lose data if you expect your documents and applications to re-open when you switch your computer back on. Therefore, hibernate is disabled by default in Ubuntu 12.04. [15:01] How much SWAP space should I allocate if I've got 15 gigs of HDD space, and 6GB RAM. I'm thinking under 1 GB? [15:02] Infy_: i got 4GB RAM and 1GB Swap and i've never seen even 1MB swap used :) [15:02] I know about the hibernate "feature" being disabled but coming from 10.04 where hibernate works fine, I'm surprised that now it's no longer working. [15:02] i think it depend of app open [15:02] baizon: Same. That's why I'm pondering ATM about it :\ [15:02] but dont know how much your using your pc [15:02] I highly doubt I'll ever hit more than 6 GB ram usage TBH [15:03] so 500MB Swap :) [15:03] Was thinking bout that, thanks [15:03] hibernate may not be worth the hassle for some, but there are some who appreciates its convenience. [15:03] np [15:04] Infy_: you could also use swap in a file if you do not want to waste space and be more flexibel [15:06] mhmm, I'll think about it, thanks. Fetching 12.04 atm, going to install later on today. [15:06] hmm, does xubuntu work without swap? [15:06] or any other distro [15:06] yepp [15:07] xubuntu433: i dont think its more convenient is my argument [15:07] good to know :) [15:07] xubuntu433: could be kernel related.. could be that you are getting used to XFCE [15:07] * Infy_ afk [15:08] xubuntu433: http://xflinux.blogspot.de/2011/01/enable-hibernate-and-suspend-in-xubuntu.html [15:08] that should help [15:09] xubuntu433: is this the same machine that 10.04 worked on? [15:09] * holstein has used ubuntu without swap [15:09] holstein: yes, same machine. [15:09] holstein: is there a but? [15:10] nah... it worked fine.. i would assume if you "run out" of ram, it would be bad [15:11] xubuntu433: i would confirm that no bios settings, or hardware setting have been changed that would prevent hibernation [15:11] baizon: i am not sure but hibernate could be a problem without swap [15:11] koegs: i dont use hibernate :) [15:11] was just helping xubuntu433 [15:12] that would be a hardware change that would prevent hibernation xubuntu433 [15:12] baizon: my answer was related to your question ;-) [15:12] ok :D [15:12] holstein: none. this is a fresh install of xubuntu, all i retained is my home partition. [15:12] but, if you sit down and time it, i really see no need for it... in my personal tests on several machines, hibernate takes longer than just restarting [15:14] man, resizing windows by the bottom corners is nearly impossible [15:14] for me, the best thing about hibernating is being able to resume to where you were the last time you're using the computer. Yes, it's a bit slower compared to a fresh re-start, but you don't have to re-arrange your desktop, apps, etcetera back. [15:14] aguitel: it seems like the xfce 4.10 ppa is not "complete" [15:15] koegs, yeah [15:16] xubuntu433: xfce got an save session option. Im using that [15:17] baizon, that's interesting. let me check that out. [15:18] buenas === jesus is now known as Guest93527 [15:20] buenas tardes,hay alguien por ahi para resolverme una dudilla? [15:51] the broken volume control (with fn vol buttons) has be really pulling my hair out [15:52] broken? [15:53] to begin with, the laptop volume controls move the xfce4 volume indicator [15:53] but it doesn't affect actual volume [15:53] in the settings editor, under xfce4-mixer, there's a property called active-card, and deleting it momentarily fixes the problem [15:54] until i press the mute button a couple of times, after which the keys die again [15:54] this happened with xubuntu 11.10 as well, on at the three different laptops [15:54] not sure if it's a pulse/alsa mixup somewhere, or audio device (hdmi/analog) [15:55] most fixes i've found do work - momentarily [15:55] then again, adjusting the volume with the mouse is good enough, i suppose [15:56] ah, ok, because my buttons work but I get no indications on the actions. but I use cairo-dock to adjust my volume [15:57] in xubuntu 12.04 [15:57] salut [15:57] yeah, should probably install something else myself [15:57] just annoying how poorly such a basic feature works out of the box [15:58] but are the other (FN) buttons working? I had problems with brightness. [15:58] they work properly, as fas as I can tell [15:58] it's hardware, built for windows [15:58] the volume control buttons do work also, in that xubuntu registers them properly [15:59] since they always affect the volume indicator popup [15:59] but how xubuntu interprets them beyond that is pretty chaotic [15:59] hmmm [16:02] your not alone https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+fn+volume+buttons#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=xubuntu+solved+fn+volume+buttons&oq=xubuntu+solved+fn+volume+buttons&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...12537.13683.0.13891.7.7.0.0.0.2.242.1115.0j6j1.7.0...0.0.tTt_cCzrDZs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b1c1f3c9dcac8c8b&biw=1366&bih=690 [16:02] yea [16:03] I can't get fn keys to work with brightness but use commands for it in the terminal set to aliases [16:04] same with disabling caps lock, but I am not sure how to, tie a command to a fn key. I use ins to start the screensaver. [16:07] i wonder how complicated it is to make the volume keys control the global volume [16:07] like, universally [16:07] if the actual mixer supposedly work on ~every machine if you move the slider with the mose [16:07] *works [16:24] isn't that XF86Audio that are used with hotkeys? [16:26] well. good luck. I'm of to make dinner === `mOOse` is now known as m00se === Pimo is now known as StudioAperto === StudioAperto is now known as Pimo [18:33] hi. How can I disable the touchpad in xfce? There is no xorg.conf [18:35] Did you check the mouse and touchpad section in settings? [18:37] hi all === webspider_ is now known as webspider_it [18:43] AxD09, there is no DIsable/Enable Touchpad in the settings [18:44] I have a device dropbox and right below that is checkbox that says "Enable this device" [18:56] AxD09, what version? [18:56] Xubuntu 12.04 [18:57] I remember I used to blacklist the synaptic driver in the past [18:57] I am in xubuntu 11.10 [18:57] ok [19:09] hi all [19:10] I have a really basic question [19:10] When using Thunar it will not show certain dir's [19:11] hidden directories? [19:11] with dots? like .config ? [19:11] browse to my home folder then to my username, the folder list is missing folders that have a "." in the name [19:11] Ctrl+H to show them. [19:11] lol ya [19:11] Those are hidden folders. [19:11] thanks alot! was driving me crazy [19:12] had to use the go option and manually enter the folder name [19:12] thanks for your help, have a great day [19:13] ls -a does it too. [19:27] hello all [19:28] when I do sudo apt-get install amsn I get this: The amsn package is not available, but some other package references [19:28] to it. This may mean that the package is missing, outdated or just [19:28] available from another source [19:28] E: Package "amsn" has no installation candidate [19:29] rolesp: i think its been removed.. if for some reason you cant find a replacement, i would go here http://www.amsn-project.net/ or find a .deb somewhere [19:34] holstein, Thanks, but same thing that the Sourcecode page, only option is to build from the source package [19:34] rolesp: and just for the record, that *is* an option [19:35] rolesp: when i go here http://www.amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php i see "ubuntu" as an option [19:35] and i only found a deb package for lucid in the internet [19:36] rolesp: i see them for oneiric... if you are comfortable installing a .deb and removing if there are any issues, i say it wont hurt [19:36] if it were me, id probably just move on to a more supported and capable client [19:38] http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/amsn-data/download for example [19:38] BUT, i would at least glance at the build instructions [19:39] holstein, I am using pidgin that is instaled by defect, and i think is good, but even whit the complements installed lacks some options [19:40] and the config interfase is confuse [19:40] "installed by default" [19:41] and thats literally one option, others include trying that or another .deb, or a package from oneiric, or the windows verions in wine ...let us konw whot you decide and if we can help any more :) [19:41] also just building as it is suggested on the site [19:42] rolesp: heres a PPA https://launchpad.net/~amsn-daily/+archive/ppa [19:42] thanks holstein, gona try that deb package [19:43] thanks again, going to add that PPA [19:44] Greetings everyone [19:44] i have xubuntu 12 installed [19:45] and untill the moment i have not been able to install oracle java 6 [19:45] usually this used to be something like this [19:45] sudo wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/6u31-b04/jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin [19:45] sudo chmod +x jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin [19:45] sudo ./jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin [19:45] but i'm always getting the following errors [19:46] ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: 1: ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: cannot open html: No such file [19:46] ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: 2: ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: cannot open head: No such file [19:46] ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: 3: ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: cannot open title: No such file [19:46] and so on [19:46] any hints??? [19:47] (sorry fo mistaking the package name) [19:47] it is always jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin [19:48] hfpm: i would confirm those paths [19:49] hfpm: i would reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java [19:49] i would use tab complete in the terminal to complete the path [19:49] hfpm: You can't download things from oracle's website like that. [19:51] hfpm: I bet if you looked at that bin file you have, you'd find that its just an html document. [19:51] holstein, looking at the site you referred [19:51] the procedure which is described [19:51] is: [19:51] wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/6u31-b04/jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin [19:51] $ chmod u+x jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin [19:51] $ ./jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin [19:52] more or less the same procedure what i'm doing [19:52] Open that link yourself in your browser. [19:52] This PPA is signed. You may want to add the corresponding GPG key to your apt keyring: [19:53] what do I do to add the key? [19:56] ok pici [19:56] it seems that i have somehow a wrong link [19:56] !gpgerr | rolesp [19:56] rolesp: Getting GPG errors after adding custom repositories? Find the GPG keyword for the repository (it's 437D05B5 for the standard ones) and run « sudo apt-key adv --recv-keys --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com » [19:57] i will check further [19:57] thanks [19:58] thanks Pici [19:59] np [20:06] Hello? [20:07] hello [20:07] hello world [20:07] hello. [20:07] hi [20:08] how can I install xubuntu on my laptop if it doesnt have a cd drive? [20:09] you can install via usb drive [20:09] would i always have to run xubuntu from the usb drive? [20:10] no, you can install from the usb drive [20:10] ok, I will try that, thanks m8 [20:10] no problem [20:21] Hello [20:21] Hellp [20:21] How i can become a Official Xubuntu Mirror ? [20:21] Hello* [20:21] Im already have a Ubuntu Official Mirror [20:21] MrMkS, i'd advise you to turn to #xubuntu-devel, so i can tell you that we need to investigate ;) [20:21] MrMkS, you're the one sending the email to the mailing list? [20:23] Hi, like it could put to the windows of xubuntu great buttons without having to change the manager of windows that it has by defect? [20:24] single, can you please try to rephrase? that doesn't make any sense [20:25] hi, my mousepointer freezes sometimes in xubuntu 12.04 when i logoff i can move the mouse again in the login screen [20:25] ok i want big buttons in the windows of xubuntu [20:26] ppp size font dont work [20:27] in xubuntu for the big buttons [20:27] single, big buttons - where? [20:27] single, in the window borders? [20:28] in the windows of xubuntu like mozilla or another apps [20:28] single do you mean the window manager buttons ? for minimize maximize close ? [20:28] single, if i understand you correctly, the answer is that it is not possible [20:29] SATop, wait... when you log off, but you can use it again in the login screen - so what's the problem? :) [20:29] yeah are the buttons of minimize maximize and close are very small for my eyes in xubuntu [20:29] single, at the moment, there's no other option than use another theme [20:30] knome well i dont want to log off and loose my work or do a lot of work with keyboard to save all things and logoff and login again [20:31] SATop, right - so the freeze happens *before* you log out ? [20:31] where is there a theme with buttons for xubuntu without use gtk only xfwm [20:31] ? [20:31] yes it happens randomly when working in xubuntu [20:31] single, xubuntu will use a gtk theme anyway. [20:31] with big buttons? [20:32] single, there should be some hicolor-themes installed [20:32] single, those will have bigger buttons too [20:32] single you can maybe make your own theme or edit a theme and change the sizes ? [20:33] my xubuntu 12.04 hasnt themes with big buttons [20:33] wait - i mixed up gtk and xfwm themes. i'm not sure if there is any xfwm themes with *particularly* big buttons [20:33] xfce-look.org has lots of themes [20:33] themes for the windows in xfwm [20:34] single, i suppose the only way to go is to create your own theme at the moment [20:36]