[00:00] <AxD09> might have to check the logs
[00:00] <GridCube> no dice?
[00:00] <GeminiDomino> Been doing that
[00:00] <GeminiDomino> Doesn't seem to be anything in the X.org log to tell me what's going on...
[00:00] <GeminiDomino> GridCube: Means it didn't work
[00:01] <GridCube> you already tried gdm?
[00:01] <GridCube> that was fast
[00:01] <AxD09> dmesg?
[00:01] <GridCube> well don't know then
[00:01] <GeminiDomino> GridCube: Yep, already replaced lightdm
[00:01] <GeminiDomino> AxD09: A bunch of nouveau spam but nothing that looks like an error
[00:02] <AxD09> wonder if blacklisting nouveau or install the official drivers would help
[00:03] <GeminiDomino> AxD09: That's my thought... Damn nouveau has been a ballbuster on a bunch of boxen and distros for me for over a year now. :P
[00:04] <AxD09> I love linux setups, but the tweaks. My god, the tweaks and fixes.
[00:04] <GeminiDomino> Normally I'm okay with that
[00:04] <GeminiDomino> but making something so flaky a default just makes me facepalm. :P
[00:05] <AxD09> eh, it's the way things are nowadays unless you want something a bit harder to setup.
[00:07] <GeminiDomino> Harder to setup isn't a problem. Maintain, on the other hand...
[00:07] <GeminiDomino> if it wasn't for having to maintain three dozen boxen, I'd still be using Slack. :)
[00:10] <GridCube> i havnet had that many problems actually
[00:10] <AxD09> Let's hope the wifi card works :)
[00:11] <AxD09> It's crazy how common the broadcoms are, yet the give people so much trouble
[00:11] <GeminiDomino> Yeah. Got that working, thank the maker
[00:13] <GeminiDomino> Okay... used jockey-text to install nvidia, blacklisted nouveau... rebooting now. Here goes nothin'
[00:14] <GeminiDomino> Damn it
[00:14] <GeminiDomino> now I get a glimpse of the nvidia splash screen before it goes back to gdm
[00:15] <GeminiDomino> So it's not lightdm and not nouveau
[00:15] <GeminiDomino> joy
[00:16] <AxD09> you dont need a login manager to start xfce, right?
[00:17] <GridCube> nope
[00:17] <GeminiDomino> nope
[00:17] <GeminiDomino> found something interesting in auth.conf tho
[00:17] <AxD09> well yea, was more of a suggestion
[00:17] <GeminiDomino> "nox11 mode, ignoring PAM_TTY :0" ?
[00:20] <AxD09> hmm
[00:20] <AxD09> http://skralljt.info/?p=586
[00:20] <GeminiDomino> Looks like iut might be PAM screwing with me
[00:21] <GeminiDomino> nope.
[00:21] <AxD09> the link?
[00:21] <GeminiDomino> Yeah, changed the perms but no help there
[00:22] <GeminiDomino> same messages in auth.log
[00:22] <AxD09> forum link that seems related. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1921178&page=2
[00:22] <AxD09> but you dont even get a login screen?
[00:23] <GeminiDomino> No, I get the login screen. Once I login, it flashes the Nvidia logo (so it's using the right driver) then goes black and dumps me back to the login
[00:23] <AxD09> the login screen or a tty login?
[00:23] <GeminiDomino> GDM login
[00:23] <AxD09> so infinite gdm login?
[00:24] <GeminiDomino> yeah
[00:24] <AxD09> I've had my system repeat the login once or twice before, but then it kicked out of it.
[00:24] <GeminiDomino> I've tried it up to 5. No change. :P
[00:25] <AxD09> did you try a new user account?
[00:26] <GeminiDomino> ...
[00:26] <GeminiDomino> Of course.
[00:26] <GeminiDomino> That works. Pardon me a moment. I'm going to go put my head through the wall
[00:26] <AxD09> well im no expert, just putting out randon ideas
[00:27] <GeminiDomino> Well yeah. We used up the ideas that made sense some time ago and were into the "blindly flailing" stages. :
[00:27] <GeminiDomino> :)
[00:28] <GeminiDomino> Guess I put too much faith in the installer not to screw up something as mind-meltingly complex as creating a user... <_<
[00:28] <AxD09> googling like crazy but my connection is slooow
[00:28] <AxD09> one more idea. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9511307
[00:28] <GeminiDomino> No, you were right
[00:29] <GeminiDomino> creating a new user worked
[00:29] <GeminiDomino> so I just blew out the homedir and it's working
[00:29] <AxD09> ha, no idea. Blind fumbling...
[00:29] <GeminiDomino> I appreciate the fumbling along with me.
[00:29] <AxD09> no prob, love helping
[00:30] <GeminiDomino> Now I get to go do the actual post-install tweaking. Much obliged. Thanks
[00:30] <AxD09> good luck
[00:37] <not_found> hi all... I heard this channel is so awesome you would even be able to assist me with some Unity issues I have?
[00:37] <knome> nope. #ubuntu for unity
[00:37] <wildmanne39> hi, does anyone know how to fix this error (xfdesktop:1814): LIBDBUSMENU-GLIB-CRITICAL **: dbusmenu_server_set_root: assertion `DBUSMENU_IS_MENUITEM(root)' failed?  I googled it but it did not show anything that would help
[00:37] <not_found> knome: :( I guess I was misinformed
[00:38] <wildmanne39> not_found, lol
[00:38] <not_found> :p just messing with you all... keep up the awesome work all :)
[09:31] <jpff> Hi all: Is there a list of known problems with the gcc in 12.04?  I have codethat runs OK on otherLinux releases but is odd on xubuntu
[10:08] <GeminiDomino> Just a quick check: has the 10.04->12.04 update showed up on the update manager yet?  My VM isn't showing it and I just want to make sure nothing's buggered. :)
[10:09] <mips1911> I woudl not upgrade to 12.04, rather do a clean install.
[10:09] <hobgoblin> afaik the upgrade to 12.04 will not show until it's 12.04.1 - read it somewhere yesterday
[10:10] <hobgoblin> though that 'might' be for servers
[10:10] <GeminiDomino> hobgoblin: Makes sense.
[10:11] <GeminiDomino> On the servers, I'm doing clean installs. Figured I'd test it out on a VM I can backup, on the off chance it saves me having to re-tweak the whole damn thing. :)
[10:11] <hobgoblin> I upgraded 3 machines with no problems - though they were all 11.10 installs
[10:20] <jpff> so no one knows about compilation problems?
[10:20] <ochosi> jpff: so far i haven't encountered any, but i haven't compiled much yet in precise
[10:22] <ochosi> you might wanna wait for someone else or ask on the mailinglist
[10:22] <ochosi> that might be more efficient
[10:23] <jpff> Thanks.  Will try the mailing list
[11:16] <Carpe|Diem> HEllo everyone
[11:16] <Carpe|Diem> I'm trying to lock down my xubuntu, so that users basicaly only see a few icons on their desktop and thats it
[11:17] <Carpe|Diem> any suggestions? I tried kiosk mode but I couldn't locate the xfce4 config file
[11:27] <Carpe|Diem> there should be something like ${sysconfdir}/xdg/xfce4/kiosk/kioskrc
[11:27] <Carpe|Diem> but its not there
[11:32] <ochosi> Carpe|Diem: have you had a look at http://wiki.xfce.org/howto/kiosk_mode  yet?
[11:32] <Carpe|Diem> ochosi: yes thats where i started
[11:32] <Carpe|Diem> but that config file is not on my xubuntu box
[11:32] <ochosi> Carpe|Diem: well then if the file doesn't exist simply create it
[11:32] <Carpe|Diem> its a newly installed 12.04
[11:32] <ochosi> the instructions of how to do that are on that page
[11:32] <Carpe|Diem> that will just work?
[11:33] <ochosi> tbh i don't know because i've never used kiosk mode
[11:33] <Carpe|Diem> :]
[11:33] <ochosi> you can also try asking in #xfce btw
[11:33] <Carpe|Diem> okay
[11:33] <Carpe|Diem> well i dont even know if kiosk mode will be sufficient for me
[11:33] <ochosi> just in case you don't get anyone here who has used this before
[11:33] <Carpe|Diem> i need a completely locked down eviroment
[11:34] <ochosi> how safe?
[11:34] <Carpe|Diem> well, its gonna be a public computer that should be used to connect to my citrix farm
[11:34] <Carpe|Diem> thats all it should do
[11:34] <Carpe|Diem> i was thinking of just locking down the GUI
[11:34] <ochosi> well user-rights is one way of locking things down
[11:35] <Carpe|Diem> yes
[11:35] <ochosi> then disable all keyboard-shortcuts
[11:35] <ochosi> and only show the deskop, no panel
[11:35] <Carpe|Diem> yes thats what im trying to aim at
[11:35] <Carpe|Diem> you think xfce is able to do that?
[11:35] <Carpe|Diem> i assume it is...
[11:35] <ochosi> and configure the desktop with kiosk mode, or just change the settings of that particular user, if it's only going to be one
[11:35] <ochosi> yes, i'd say sop
[11:35] <ochosi> -p
[11:35] <Carpe|Diem> well its only going to be one yes :)
[11:36] <Carpe|Diem> well ive got trouble finding the config files of xfce4
[11:36] <Carpe|Diem> i can only find xml files
[11:36] <ochosi> then you can configure the desktop for that user via xfconf to not do anything
[11:36] <ochosi> don't edit the xml files by hand, there's the settings-editor for that
[11:37] <Carpe|Diem> oh
[11:37] <Carpe|Diem> ok
[11:37] <Carpe|Diem> was looking for keyboard shortcuts etc
[11:37] <ochosi> that's all also editable via settings-editor
[11:37] <Carpe|Diem> okay
[11:37] <ochosi> if you don't want to use the settings-manager
[11:37] <ochosi> or xfconf-query (which is the cli to settings-editor/xfconf)
[11:38] <Carpe|Diem> oh
[11:38] <Carpe|Diem> so where can i find the settings editor? is that the one I can find in the menu?
[11:38] <ochosi> in fact xfconf-query would probably be the way to go, because it's hard to lock down a user while being logged in as that user
[11:38] <Carpe|Diem> yes
[11:38] <ochosi> yup
[11:38] <Carpe|Diem> you've got a point there
[11:38] <ochosi> so you can log in via tty as that user
[11:39] <ochosi> change all the settings and test via logging into the x-session
[11:39] <Carpe|Diem> lovely
[11:39] <Carpe|Diem> i'll use that approach
[11:39] <ochosi> it could also be that for kiosk mode that you'd have to create a separate session, i'm not 100% sure
[11:39] <Carpe|Diem> Possibly, i'll have to find out :)
[11:39] <ochosi> one last hint: stay logged in with your main user in your X-session so you can check the settings you'd wanna change via cli in the settings-editor ;)
[11:40] <Carpe|Diem> oh yes
[11:40] <Carpe|Diem> good hint :)
[11:40] <Carpe|Diem> thanks very much, ochosi
[11:40] <Carpe|Diem> :)
[11:40] <ochosi> np
[12:01] <Pimo> how can i see the grub page at boot to pass some parameters? xubuntu 12.04
[12:10] <Pimo> what happens if i set GRUB_TIMEOUT=10 to 0?
[12:10] <Pimo> the boot is faster?
[12:11] <Carpe|Diem> not sure
[12:11] <Carpe|Diem> maybe 0 is unlimited
[12:11] <Carpe|Diem> set it to 1
[12:11] <Pimo> lol
[12:11] <Pimo> ok
[12:12] <Pimo> ty
[13:43] <Papa-Smurf> Hello
[13:43] <Papa-Smurf> is there any wall-paper desktop roll application like webilder for xubuntu?
[13:44] <ochosi> Papa-Smurf: what is a desktop-roll application? auto-changing desktop backgrounds?
[13:45] <Papa-Smurf> ochosi, yes that is :)
[13:45] <ochosi> Papa-Smurf: depending on how willing you are to experiment, in xfce4.10 this feature is included already
[13:45] <ochosi> Papa-Smurf: so if you install that via the dev-ppa (will be updated in a few days with xfce4.10) it should work, i haven't tested it though
[13:46] <Papa-Smurf> i'm still in Xfce4.8
[13:46] <Papa-Smurf> Xubuntu 12.04
[13:46] <ochosi> you can also write a quick script
[13:46] <ochosi> it's not very hard, you can change the wallpaper via xfconf
[13:47] <ochosi> then throw that in a cronjob and you're done
[13:47] <Papa-Smurf> yes sure :)
[13:47] <Papa-Smurf> but i would like to download some nice pictures from flirck
[13:47] <ochosi> you mean automagically?
[13:47] <Papa-Smurf> webilder does that nicely
[13:47] <Papa-Smurf> yes
[13:47] <ochosi> ah ok
[13:47] <ochosi> i thought it was just about cycling images you already have
[13:48] <ochosi> in that case i don't know :)
[13:48] <ochosi> maybe you can adjust webilder
[13:48] <Papa-Smurf> Webilder works nicely in Gnome
[13:48] <Papa-Smurf> but i haven't tested in Xfce
[13:49] <Papa-Smurf> thanks ochosi for your help
[13:49] <Papa-Smurf> :)
[13:53] <aguitel> is anyone upgrade to 4.10 with https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa   ?
[13:53]  * ochosi 
[14:34] <miarf_> what's the optimal way to change dns servers? editing /etc/resolv.conf says that "don't edit by hand, changes will be overwritten"
[14:42] <aguitel> is anyone upgrade to 4.10 with https://launchpad.net/~mrpouit/+archive/ppa   ?
[14:43] <Pimo> i'm also interested at the question of aguitel
[14:44] <astraljava> You might get much more interesting answers other than [yes|no] if you had a more specific question, though.
[14:44] <aguitel> i want to know if this upgrade works
[14:57] <xubuntu433> hello. is there anyone here who could guide me to making hibernate work on 12.04? I already tried this and failed: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/ubuntu-help/power-hibernate.html
[14:59] <holstein> xubuntu433: personally, i dont feel hibernate is worth the hassle
[14:59] <holstein> xubuntu433: takes about as much time, if not more to just shutdown and restart
[15:00] <Infy_> I'm in a dilema
[15:00] <miarf_> hmh, laptop volume control keys still don't work
[15:01] <aguitel> xubuntu433, it say:Unfortunately, hibernate doesn't work in many cases with Ubuntu, which can cause you to lose data if you expect your documents and applications to re-open when you switch your computer back on. Therefore, hibernate is disabled by default in Ubuntu 12.04.
[15:01] <Infy_> How much SWAP space should I allocate if I've got 15 gigs of HDD space, and 6GB RAM. I'm thinking under 1 GB?
[15:02] <baizon> Infy_: i got 4GB RAM and 1GB Swap and i've never seen even 1MB swap used :)
[15:02] <xubuntu433> I know about the hibernate "feature" being disabled but coming from 10.04 where hibernate works fine, I'm surprised that now it's no longer working.
[15:02] <aguitel> i think it depend of app open
[15:02] <Infy_> baizon: Same. That's why I'm pondering ATM about it :\
[15:02] <baizon> but dont know how much your using your pc
[15:02] <Infy_> I highly doubt I'll ever hit more than 6 GB ram usage TBH
[15:03] <baizon> so 500MB Swap :)
[15:03] <Infy_> Was thinking bout that, thanks
[15:03] <xubuntu433> hibernate may not be worth the hassle for some, but there are some who appreciates its convenience.
[15:03] <baizon> np
[15:04] <koegs> Infy_: you could also use swap in a file if you do not want to waste space and be more flexibel
[15:06] <Infy_> mhmm, I'll think about it, thanks. Fetching 12.04 atm, going to install later on today.
[15:06] <baizon> hmm, does xubuntu work without swap?
[15:06] <baizon> or any other distro
[15:06] <koegs> yepp
[15:07] <holstein> xubuntu433: i dont think its more convenient is my argument
[15:07] <baizon> good to know :)
[15:07] <holstein> xubuntu433: could be kernel related.. could be that you are getting used to XFCE
[15:07]  * Infy_ afk
[15:08] <baizon> xubuntu433: http://xflinux.blogspot.de/2011/01/enable-hibernate-and-suspend-in-xubuntu.html
[15:08] <baizon> that should help
[15:09] <holstein> xubuntu433: is this the same machine that 10.04 worked on?
[15:09]  * holstein has used ubuntu without swap
[15:09] <xubuntu433> holstein: yes, same machine.
[15:09] <baizon> holstein: is there a but?
[15:10] <holstein> nah... it worked fine.. i would assume if you "run out" of ram, it would be bad
[15:11] <holstein> xubuntu433: i would confirm that no bios settings, or hardware setting have been changed that would prevent hibernation
[15:11] <koegs> baizon: i am not sure but hibernate could be a problem without swap
[15:11] <baizon> koegs: i dont use hibernate :)
[15:11] <baizon> was just helping xubuntu433
[15:12] <holstein> that would be a hardware change that would prevent hibernation xubuntu433
[15:12] <koegs> baizon: my answer was related to your question ;-)
[15:12] <baizon> ok :D
[15:12] <xubuntu433> holstein: none. this is a fresh install of xubuntu, all i retained is my home partition.
[15:12] <holstein> but, if you sit down and time it, i really see no need for it... in my personal tests on several machines, hibernate takes longer than just restarting
[15:14] <miarf_> man, resizing windows by the bottom corners is nearly impossible
[15:14] <xubuntu433> for me, the best thing about hibernating is being able to resume to where you were the last time you're using the computer. Yes, it's a bit slower compared to a fresh re-start, but you don't have to re-arrange your desktop, apps, etcetera back.
[15:14] <koegs> aguitel: it seems like the xfce 4.10 ppa is not "complete"
[15:15] <aguitel> koegs, yeah
[15:16] <baizon> xubuntu433: xfce got an save session option. Im using that
[15:17] <xubuntu433> baizon, that's interesting. let me check that out.
[15:18] <jesus> buenas
[15:20] <Guest93527> buenas tardes,hay alguien por ahi para resolverme una dudilla?
[15:51] <miarf_> the broken volume control (with fn vol buttons) has be really pulling my hair out
[15:52] <aquix> broken?
[15:53] <miarf_> to begin with, the laptop volume controls move the xfce4 volume indicator
[15:53] <miarf_> but it doesn't affect actual volume
[15:53] <miarf_> in the settings editor, under xfce4-mixer, there's a property called active-card, and deleting it momentarily fixes the problem
[15:54] <miarf_> until i press the mute button a couple of times, after which the keys die again
[15:54] <miarf_> this happened with xubuntu 11.10 as well, on at the three different laptops
[15:54] <miarf_> not sure if it's a pulse/alsa mixup somewhere, or audio device (hdmi/analog)
[15:55] <miarf_> most fixes i've found do work - momentarily
[15:55] <miarf_> then again, adjusting the volume with the mouse is good enough, i suppose
[15:56] <aquix> ah, ok, because my buttons work but I get no indications on the actions. but I use cairo-dock to adjust my volume
[15:57] <aquix> in xubuntu 12.04
[15:57] <xubuntu365> salut
[15:57] <miarf_> yeah, should probably install something else myself
[15:57] <miarf_> just annoying how poorly such a basic feature works out of the box
[15:58] <aquix> but are the other (FN) buttons working?  I had problems with brightness.
[15:58] <miarf_> they work properly, as fas as I can tell
[15:58] <aquix> it's hardware, built for windows
[15:58] <miarf_> the volume control buttons do work also, in that xubuntu registers them properly
[15:59] <miarf_> since they always affect the volume indicator popup
[15:59] <miarf_> but how xubuntu interprets them beyond that is pretty chaotic
[15:59] <aquix> hmmm
[16:02] <aquix> your not alone    https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+fn+volume+buttons#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=xubuntu+solved+fn+volume+buttons&oq=xubuntu+solved+fn+volume+buttons&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...12537.13683.0.13891.7.7.0.0.0.2.242.1115.0j6j1.7.0...0.0.tTt_cCzrDZs&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=b1c1f3c9dcac8c8b&biw=1366&bih=690
[16:02] <miarf_> yea
[16:03] <aquix> I can't get fn keys to work with brightness but use  commands for it in the terminal set to aliases
[16:04] <aquix> same  with disabling caps lock, but I am not sure how to, tie a command to a fn key.   I use ins to start the screensaver.
[16:07] <miarf_> i wonder how complicated it is to make the volume keys control the global volume
[16:07] <miarf_> like, universally
[16:07] <miarf_> if the actual mixer supposedly work on ~every machine if you move the slider with the mose
[16:07] <miarf_> *works
[16:24] <aquix> isn't that    XF86Audio  that are used with hotkeys?
[16:26] <aquix> well. good luck. I'm of to make dinner
[18:33] <aboudreault> hi. How can I disable the touchpad in xfce? There is no xorg.conf
[18:35] <AxD09> Did you check the mouse and touchpad section in settings?
[18:37] <webspider_> hi all
[18:43] <aboudreault> AxD09, there is no DIsable/Enable Touchpad in the settings
[18:44] <AxD09> I have a device dropbox and right below that is checkbox that says "Enable this device"
[18:56] <aboudreault> AxD09, what version?
[18:56] <AxD09> Xubuntu 12.04
[18:57] <AxD09> I remember I used to blacklist the synaptic driver in the past
[18:57] <aboudreault> I am in xubuntu 11.10
[18:57] <aboudreault> ok
[19:09] <sixpack> hi all
[19:10] <sixpack> I have a really basic question
[19:10] <sixpack> When using Thunar it will not show certain dir's
[19:11] <AxD09> hidden directories?
[19:11] <holstein> with dots? like .config ?
[19:11] <sixpack> browse to my home folder then to my username, the folder list is missing folders that have a "." in the name
[19:11] <Unit193> Ctrl+H to show them.
[19:11] <sixpack> lol ya
[19:11] <Unit193> Those are hidden folders.
[19:11] <sixpack> thanks alot! was driving me crazy
[19:12] <sixpack> had to use the go option and manually enter the folder name
[19:12] <sixpack> thanks for your help, have a great day
[19:13] <Unit193> ls -a does it too.
[19:27] <rolesp> hello all
[19:28] <rolesp> when I do sudo apt-get install amsn I get this: The amsn package is not available, but some other package references
[19:28] <rolesp> to it. This may mean that the package is missing, outdated or just
[19:28] <rolesp> available from another source
[19:28] <rolesp> E: Package "amsn" has no installation candidate
[19:29] <holstein> rolesp: i think its been removed.. if for some reason you cant find a replacement, i would go here http://www.amsn-project.net/ or find a .deb somewhere
[19:34] <rolesp> holstein, Thanks, but same thing that the Sourcecode page, only option is to build from the source package
[19:34] <holstein> rolesp: and just for the record, that *is* an option
[19:35] <holstein> rolesp: when i go here http://www.amsn-project.net/linux-downloads.php i see "ubuntu" as an option
[19:35] <rolesp> and i only found a deb package for lucid in the internet
[19:36] <holstein> rolesp: i see them for oneiric... if you are comfortable installing a .deb and removing if there are any issues, i say it wont hurt
[19:36] <holstein> if it were me, id probably just move on to a more supported and capable client
[19:38] <holstein> http://packages.debian.org/lenny/all/amsn-data/download for example
[19:38] <holstein> BUT, i would at least glance at the build instructions
[19:39] <rolesp> holstein, I am using pidgin that is instaled by defect, and i think is good, but even whit the complements installed lacks some options
[19:40] <rolesp> and the config interfase is confuse
[19:40] <holstein> "installed by default"
[19:41] <holstein> and thats literally one option, others include trying that or another .deb, or a package from oneiric, or the windows verions in wine ...let us konw whot you decide and if we can help any more :)
[19:41] <holstein> also just building as it is suggested on the site
[19:42] <holstein> rolesp: heres a PPA https://launchpad.net/~amsn-daily/+archive/ppa
[19:42] <rolesp> thanks holstein, gona try that deb package
[19:43] <rolesp> thanks again, going to add that PPA
[19:44] <hfpm> Greetings everyone
[19:44] <hfpm> i have xubuntu 12 installed
[19:45] <hfpm> and untill the moment i have not been able to install oracle java 6
[19:45] <hfpm> usually this used to be something like this
[19:45] <hfpm> sudo wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/6u31-b04/jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin
[19:45] <hfpm> sudo chmod +x jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin
[19:45] <hfpm> sudo ./jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin
[19:45] <hfpm> but i'm always getting the following errors
[19:46] <hfpm> ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: 1: ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: cannot open html: No such file
[19:46] <hfpm> ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: 2: ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: cannot open head: No such file
[19:46] <hfpm> ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: 3: ./jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin: cannot open title: No such file
[19:46] <hfpm> and so on
[19:46] <hfpm> any hints???
[19:47] <hfpm> (sorry fo mistaking the package name)
[19:47] <hfpm> it is always jdk-6u31-linux-x64.bin
[19:48] <holstein> hfpm: i would confirm those paths
[19:49] <holstein> hfpm: i would reference https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[19:49] <holstein> i would use tab complete in the terminal to complete the path
[19:49] <Pici> hfpm: You can't download things from oracle's website like that.
[19:51] <Pici> hfpm: I bet if you looked at that bin file you have, you'd find that its just an html document.
[19:51] <hfpm> holstein, looking at the site you referred
[19:51] <hfpm> the procedure which is described
[19:51] <hfpm> is:
[19:51] <hfpm>  wget http://download.oracle.com/otn-pub/java/jdk/6u31-b04/jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin
[19:51] <hfpm>  $ chmod u+x jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin
[19:51] <hfpm>  $ ./jdk-6u31-linux-i586.bin
[19:52] <hfpm> more or less the same procedure what i'm doing
[19:52] <Pici> Open that link yourself in your browser.
[19:52] <rolesp> This PPA is signed. You may want to add the corresponding GPG key to your apt keyring:
[19:53] <rolesp> what do I do to add the key?
[19:56] <hfpm> ok pici
[19:56] <hfpm> it seems that i have somehow a wrong link
[19:56] <Pici> !gpgerr | rolesp
[19:57] <hfpm> i will check further
[19:57] <hfpm> thanks
[19:58] <rolesp> thanks Pici
[19:59] <Pici> np
[20:06] <xubuntu814> Hello?
[20:07] <xubuntu814> hello
[20:07] <xubuntu814> hello world
[20:07] <knome> hello.
[20:07] <xubuntu814> hi
[20:08] <xubuntu814> how can I install xubuntu on my laptop if it doesnt have a cd drive?
[20:09] <knome> you can install via usb drive
[20:09] <xubuntu814> would i always have to run xubuntu from the usb drive?
[20:10] <knome> no, you can install from the usb drive
[20:10] <xubuntu814> ok, I will try that, thanks m8
[20:10] <knome> no problem
[20:21] <MrMkS> Hello
[20:21] <taskb4r> Hellp
[20:21] <MrMkS> How i can become a Official Xubuntu Mirror ?
[20:21] <taskb4r> Hello*
[20:21] <MrMkS> Im already have a Ubuntu Official Mirror
[20:21] <knome> MrMkS, i'd advise you to turn to #xubuntu-devel, so i can tell you that we need to investigate ;)
[20:21] <knome> MrMkS, you're the one sending the email to the mailing list?
[20:23] <single> Hi,   like it could put to the windows of xubuntu great buttons without having to change the manager of windows that it has by defect?
[20:24] <knome> single, can you please try to rephrase? that doesn't make any sense
[20:25] <SATop> hi, my mousepointer freezes sometimes in xubuntu 12.04 when i logoff i can move the mouse again in the login screen
[20:25] <single> ok i want big buttons in the windows of xubuntu
[20:26] <single> ppp size font dont work
[20:27] <single> in xubuntu  for the big buttons
[20:27] <knome> single, big buttons - where?
[20:27] <knome> single, in the window borders?
[20:28] <single> in the windows of xubuntu like mozilla or another apps
[20:28] <SATop> single do you mean the window manager buttons ? for minimize maximize close ?
[20:28] <knome> single, if i understand you correctly, the answer is that it is not possible
[20:29] <knome> SATop, wait... when you log off, but you can use it again in the login screen - so what's the problem? :)
[20:29] <single> yeah are the buttons of minimize maximize and close are very small for my eyes in xubuntu
[20:29] <knome> single, at the moment, there's no other option than use another theme
[20:30] <SATop> knome well i dont want to log off and loose my work or do a lot of work with keyboard to save all things and logoff and login again
[20:31] <knome> SATop, right - so the freeze happens *before* you log out ?
[20:31] <single> where is there a theme with buttons for xubuntu without use gtk only xfwm
[20:31] <single> ?
[20:31] <SATop> yes it happens randomly when working in xubuntu
[20:31] <knome> single, xubuntu will use a gtk theme anyway.
[20:31] <single> with big buttons?
[20:32] <knome> single, there should be some hicolor-themes installed
[20:32] <knome> single, those will have bigger buttons too
[20:32] <SATop> single you can maybe make your own theme or edit a theme and change the sizes ?
[20:33] <single>  my xubuntu 12.04  hasnt themes with big buttons
[20:33] <knome> wait - i mixed up gtk and xfwm themes. i'm not sure if there is any xfwm themes with *particularly* big buttons
[20:33] <SATop> xfce-look.org has lots of themes
[20:33] <single> themes for the windows in xfwm
[20:34] <knome> single, i suppose the only way to go is to create your own theme at the moment
[20:36] <SATop> knome is there a way to restart the "mouse" in the terminal ?
[20:37] <knome> SATop, i don't know
[20:37] <SATop> ok
[20:37] <knome> have you filed a bug?
[20:38] <SATop> i dont know if it is a real bug
[20:38] <single_> knome could you give me the link of a theme with big buttons for xubuntu xfwm?
[20:38] <knome> single_, as i said, i suppose the only way is to create your own theme at the moment
[20:38] <SATop> knome in 11.10 i had no problems i dont know exactly what changed in the touchpad area in 12.04
[20:38] <knome> SATop, i'd file a bug, give any logs some developers ask for, and see if it's a real bug :)
[20:39] <SATop> ok knome
[20:39] <SATop> single i know of a big theme but i have to search for it if it is still available
[20:39] <knome> SATop, there's a new dialog for mouse/touchpad in 12.10
[20:39] <knome> SATop, see settings manager -> mouse and touchpad
[20:40] <knome> SATop, i don't know if that helps, but...
[20:40] <SATop> yes i looked into that but changing settings or switching of and on didnt help
[20:41] <single_> ok but is very bad for my eyes use a theme with buttons so shorts
[20:42] <single_> in xubuntu
[20:48] <rolesp> SATop, maybe selecting mouse emulation in accesability can help
[20:48] <SATop> how can that help me ?
[20:50] <SATop> is that managing the mousepointer with the numerical keyboard ?
[20:50] <rolesp> I think so
[20:52] <SATop> well i am on a netbook and the numerical keys are hidden behind the FN-key so i dont think that it will work very comfortably
[20:52] <aguitel> how enable mouse and touchpad with command line ?
[20:53] <SATop> yes aguitel yes rather restart it
[20:53] <knome> aguitel, xfce4-mouse-settings
[20:54] <Infy_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAc6vc93jxc
[20:57] <singlerr> i wanted use openbox in xubuntu but i dont know install it
[20:58] <genii-around> !info openbox
[20:59] <Unit193> You could also build from the !mini iso.
[20:59] <singlerr> what is mini iso???
[21:00]  * genii-around makes more coffee
[21:00] <genii-around> singlerr: It's a minimal base version of ubuntu, to which you can add manually only the packages you want, to make a lighter overall system
[21:01] <Unit193> Or more customized.
[21:02] <singlerr> ok but i dont want mor difficult level for me in xubuntu
[21:02] <singlerr> i dont want more...
[21:02] <Infy_> mini-iso = alternate install?
[21:03] <knome> Infy_, nope
[21:03] <knome> !mini
[21:03] <Infy_> Ahh, thank you
[21:04] <singlerr> ok but i dont want to install  another time my distro of xubuntu
[21:05] <knome> singlerr, 'sudo apt-get install openbox' will install openbox, but please note it is not supported in #xubuntu
[21:07] <singlerr> i had installed openbox in xubuntu but dont work , the system report error with open box
[21:07] <genii-around> singlerr: Did you first do: sudo apt-get update       ?
[21:08] <Unit193> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=0cbce80f64253386cd42c42f6b3eb01f&p=10950331&postcount=8 That's one way to get it setup.
[21:08] <singlerr> yeah xubuntu say me : you dont have four desktops or similar when i installed openbox
[21:11] <knome> singlerr, is english your native language?
[21:12] <SATop> reboot
[21:12] <Elchzard> Under SEH Team
[21:12] <knome> Elchzard, excuse me?
[21:13] <Unit193> Crosspost 3 chans.
[21:13] <singlerr> knome no
[21:13] <knome> Elchzard, okay, stop advertising *now*.
[21:15] <Elchzard> knome, my client not me!
[21:15] <Elchzard> erghghgh
[21:16]  * Elchzard remembers not to DCC using this XChat
[21:16] <knome> Elchzard, then change the client. you are responsible what your client is doing
[21:17] <singlerr> the size  parameters of the windows can be modified in xubuntun from a file?
[21:18] <knome> singlerr, is english your native language?
[21:18] <singlerr> no never
[21:18] <singlerr> never was
[21:18] <knome> singlerr, then what is?
[21:19] <singlerr> my native language is the second language more used in the world
[21:19] <knome> singlerr, i don't want riddles, i'm trying to help you
[21:19] <singlerr> knome
[21:20] <singlerr> my native language is es -es or sp sp
[21:21] <singlerr> knome
[21:21] <knome> !es | singlerr
[21:21] <knome> singlerr, maybe you'd get better responses there?
[21:23] <singlerr> no  xubuntu-es hasnt many users
[21:23] <singlerr> knome
[21:23] <knome> singlerr, try #ubuntu-es, they will be able to help on xubuntu-issues too
[21:24] <singlerr> no because mv4 always put me a ban in ubuntu-es
[21:25] <knome> singlerr, in that case, go to #ubuntu-ops and resolve the ban
[21:26] <singlerr> no in ops must be much worse yet
[21:26] <singlerr> knome
[21:27] <knome> singlerr, you are not making any sense to me with your questions - i point you to a channel with your native language where you are banned - please resolve your ban
[21:29] <singlerr> im sorry but i need a miracle not resolve my ban
[21:29] <singlerr> knome
[21:32] <crond> singlerr, I suspect more people in the world speak chinese than spanish.
[21:33] <knome> crond, if you wish to talk about languages, feel free to do so in #xubuntu-offtopic
[21:34] <crond> knome, never, I will discuss python *here*
[21:34] <crond> :P
[21:34] <singlerr> crond ok but in the world ? in how many countries speak chinese?
[21:35] <knome> singlerr, take it to #xubuntu-offtopic.
[21:38] <singlerr> well i had solution to my  question , i go to the bed and see you tomorrow
[21:53] <SATop> i found a BIG xfwm theme it is called "Touchscreen theme for WeTab" on xfce-look.org for mister single if he returns here
[21:53] <sixpack> anyone know a good instant messenger that works with file transfers with windows users?
[21:54] <Unit193> I *think* pidgin does, but it'd depend more on the protocol used.
[21:54] <sixpack> I use Pidin and ya it does work for some and receiving.. but not msn or sending to yahoo users
[21:55] <sixpack> have you heard anything about aMSN
[21:56] <sixpack> I use trillian on windows but I havent been able to get it to run even under wine
[21:57] <sixpack> I guess I could run a virtual machine but that seems a bit drastic
[21:57] <Unit193> aMSN was removed from the repo, there's Empathy?
[21:57] <sixpack> hmm is that the default one in the main ubuntu install?
[21:57] <SATop> emesene is a msn-messenger
[21:58] <sixpack> I heard good things about it but havent tried it yet
[21:58] <SATop> it looks good and works well
[21:59] <sixpack> emesene? never heard of it thanks will take a look
[22:20] <rolesp> bbl