[01:47] <Shadow__X> hdpvr?
[01:53] <Shadow__X> tgm4883: you around?
[01:54] <Shadow__X> i am currently on .24.2 and want to upgrade to .25 and am wondering what the best way to do that is
[01:55] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, yes
[01:56] <tgm4883> !repos
[01:56] <Zinn> The Mythbuntu team provides updates for MythTV and Mythbuntu package using the Mythbuntu Repos http://mythbuntu.org/repos
[01:56] <Shadow__X> yeah i am already on those repos
[01:56] <Shadow__X> is it still recommended to do apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:58] <tgm4883> yes and no
[01:58] <tgm4883> it's never recommended to do a dist-upgrade unless you know what you are doing
[01:59] <tgm4883> but it's required to do it to go from 0.24 to 0.25
[01:59] <tgm4883> or any new mythtv release
[01:59] <Shadow__X> it was listed on this page http://www.mythbuntu.org/mythtv/0.25
[01:59] <Zinn> [www.mythbuntu.org] MythTV 0.25 has been released! | Mythbuntu
[01:59] <tgm4883> yep
[02:00] <tgm4883> not recommended, required
[02:00] <tgm4883> and that is just because of how apt works
[02:00] <Shadow__X> oh ok i gotcha
[02:00] <tgm4883> currently making dinner, but i'll explain it later if you want
[02:00] <Shadow__X> explain how apt works or how to upgrade? and thanks i appreciate the help
[02:01] <tgm4883> apt
[02:01] <Shadow__X> oh ok yeah when you have time that would be helpful
[02:03] <Shadow__X> just changed the repo to use .25 in mythbuntu  control center. apt-get update then apt-get dist-upgrade time
[02:08] <tgm4883> Shadow__X, ok, done cooking for a few minutes
[02:09] <tgm4883> so with mythtv, most packages are named the same. There is one package that is always different though for major mythtv versions (libmyth-0.25.0)
[02:09] <tgm4883> during a regular apt-get upgrade, apt downloads and replaces packages that are already on the system
[02:10] <Shadow__X> thanks for the help tgm4883. I am not sure why but t seemed like i just wanted  to make sure i was doing things right. Mythtv has become so stabile i dont want to break it when i have eveyrthing working
[02:10] <tgm4883> a regular 'upgrade' though cannot install new dependencies
[02:10] <Shadow__X> ah ok gotcha
[02:10] <Shadow__X> that makes sense
[02:10] <tgm4883> so it will hold back packages, since it's not allowed to install new packages
[02:11] <tgm4883> a dist-upgrade is allowed to install new packages (or remove packages if there are new conflicts)
[02:11] <tgm4883> that is the basic difference between the two, and why it's always required when upgrading to a new major mythtv version
[02:11] <Shadow__X> ah gotcha that makes sense c ompared to what i have seen when upgrading other packages
[02:11] <tgm4883> if you ever see held back packages, you can always use the -s switch with dist-upgrade to perform a simulated upgrade
[02:12] <tgm4883> it will go though the motions and you can see what it is doing
[02:12] <Shadow__X> ah neat ok then i can sww whats changing
[02:12] <tgm4883> that way if it's trying to remove 90% of the packages, you know there is an issue and you don't want to do that
[02:12] <tgm4883> exactly
[02:12]  * tgm4883 dinnertime
[02:13] <Shadow__X> thanks again and enjoy
[03:04] <Shadow__X> and i am upgraded. Now i just need torc to get released
[03:36] <qwebirc42171> anyone using ltsp with ubuntu 12.04?
[03:37] <qwebirc42171> #join  ltsp
[16:36] <qwebirc75179> Could anyone enlighted this Noob as to why Mythbuntu 11.10 keeps saying "Failed to probe" when I try to add a infinitv4 PCIe card as an IVTV MPEG-2 Encoder card?
[16:37] <UForgotten> why such an old mythbuntu?
[16:37] <qwebirc75179> I may have the version wrong, how can I check?
[16:37] <UForgotten> lsb_release -a
[16:38] <tgm4883> old?
[16:38] <UForgotten> old = not latest :)
[16:38] <UForgotten> it could just be missing the kernel modules for that device.
[16:38] <tgm4883> UForgotten, yes, but "such an old" sounds more like it's 8.04
[16:39] <UForgotten> tgm4883: fair enough.
[16:39] <qwebirc75179> I was correct.. 11.10 what is the current version? I thought I had it.
[16:39] <qwebirc75179> when I do a lsmod ceton and ctn91xx are both there
[16:40] <UForgotten> and it shows up as using that driver on lspci -vvv?
[16:41] <UForgotten> it may not be looking in the correct device path
[16:41] <UForgotten> btw I'm a noob myself so ymmv
[16:41] <UForgotten> noob to mythtv, that is,  been doing linux for 14+ years.
[16:41] <qwebirc75179> i told it '/dev/ceton/ctn91xx_mpeg0_0'
[16:42] <qwebirc75179> I have only been doing linux for a short time... still in college for CS
[16:42] <UForgotten> did you check dmesg/syslog to see if that's where it attached?
[16:42] <qwebirc75179> I am not sure what I am looking for in lspci -vvv
[16:42] <qwebirc75179> command
[16:43] <UForgotten> this may be easier, do lspci first, and find the device itself since that gives one line per device
[16:43] <UForgotten> then lspci -vvv > pciout
[16:43] <UForgotten> then open pciout and search for the line that matches the device from the simple lspci output
[16:44] <UForgotten> its not as important as just looking in the syslogs to see if it attached a device
[16:45] <qwebirc75179> Awe... I don't see anything releated to Ceton or ctn91xx.. but I see a 'Multimedia video controller'
[16:45] <UForgotten> you may have to put it in udev or something.  Sorry but I gotta run, good luck
[16:45] <qwebirc75179> no prob. Thanks for the help!
[16:46] <UForgotten> the output from the driver in dmesg and /var/log/syslog may be more informative as to what it did after the module loaded.
[16:46] <qwebirc75179> let me check there
[16:46] <qwebirc75179> how do I check dmesg?
[16:50] <qwebirc75179> Ok.. in the syslog I have this warning "unknown ioctl on ctn91xx mpeg device (-2143521279)"
[16:51] <qwebirc75179> Does anyone know if this is the kernel headers problem?
[17:03] <Shadow__X> qwebirc75179: did you install the drivers that were mentioned in the mythtv pages for that card?
[17:04] <Shadow__X> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ceton_InfiniTV_4
[17:04] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] Ceton InfiniTV 4 - MythTV Official Wiki
[17:06] <qwebirc75179> I have read that, however I am confussed at the RTP part
[17:08] <qwebirc75179> I did install the drivers from the ceton webpage... no errors came up
[17:09] <qwebirc75179> in the dmesg it says unknown ioctl on ctn91xx mpeg device
[17:11] <qwebirc75179> Thanks for help guys, unfortunately I need to leave. Thanks!
[19:54] <yogg> Hi
[19:55] <yogg> Is it possible to use an usb card reader (with an original card) to decrypt a channel (cccam or so?)?
[19:57] <tgm4883> yogg, ask in #mythtv-users
[19:58] <yogg> kk thx
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