[15:55] <tgm4883> o/
[15:56] <dmj726> o/
[15:58]  * Dr_Who waves
[15:58] <tgm4883> i'm listening
[15:58]  * dmj726 runs
[15:58] <dmj726> :P
[15:59] <dmj726> I'm listening here and watching Mango.
[16:02] <Saviq> morning
[16:02] <tsdgeos> morning
[16:03] <tsdgeos> ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g
[16:03] <dmj726> There are issues with udp multisink for UTV?
[16:04] <Saviq> dmj726, we haven't really started yet, but what issues do you have in mind?
[16:04] <dmj726> was just listening to the chatter
[16:04] <dmj726> on the audio stream
[16:05] <Saviq> oh ok didn't get that
[16:06] <dmj726> I do.
[16:07] <dmj726> mostly plugin development and some other bits for novacut.
[16:07] <dmj726> played with live video streaming some too
[16:08] <dmj726> ARM devices should have shared memory for CPU and GPU
[16:10] <dmj726> Should we be targeting gstreamer 0.10 or 0.11/1.0?
[16:12] <dmj726> that really changes what bindings are available as well
[16:13] <dmj726> python bindings are totally different between the two
[16:14] <dmj726> Best experience with gstreamer is C or python from experience
[16:16] <dmj726> From what I've heard 1.0 is really designed with hardware support in mind.  Though manufacturers still need to support it.
[16:17] <dmj726> how is GEGL integration?
[16:17] <dmj726> have you done GEGL work recently?
[16:20] <dmj726> performance isn't an issue
[16:20] <dmj726> Python would be control logic only
[16:20] <dmj726> then gstreamer does all work in C
[16:21] <dmj726> so language using the bindings aren't an issue
[16:22] <dmj726> The new bindings were roung a few months ago
[16:23] <dmj726> jderose was working on rendering code back in january
[16:23] <dmj726> situation has been improving and is better in 1.0 than 0.10 for the gobject introspection bindings from what I remember
[16:27] <Saviq> I think Ted meant parsing tables?
[16:27] <Saviq> willcooke ^?
[16:28] <Saviq> most of the DVB spec with regards to table parsing is complete, we've been working with tsdgeos to improve that recently
[16:29] <dmj726> pick hardware that supports the relevant codecs
[16:31] <dmj726> gstreamer needs more unit testing work, badly
[16:32] <dmj726> mpeg-ts can be choppy
[16:33] <dmj726> talk with jderose about unit testing too, he was mentioning some things the other day
[16:33] <dmj726> whole pipelines need testing really
[16:33] <dmj726> many of the bugs result from combinations
[16:36] <MrChrisDruif> Awesome those random coughs that just barely stop before deafening me completely
[16:38] <dmj726> download is easier than upload!
[16:39] <tgm4883> software encoders are lame
[16:39] <tgm4883> I completely agree
[16:42] <MrChrisDruif> lame encoder?
[16:42] <tgm4883> MrChrisDruif, no, crappy
[16:42] <MrChrisDruif> tgm4883; I know, just kidding ^_^
[16:44] <Saviq> do I have to explain?
[16:44] <dmj726> yes
[16:45] <dmj726> we have done a lot to separate frontend and backend
[16:45] <dmj726> can also ask me about it
[16:45] <Saviq> there'd a backend that will talk to hardware
[16:45] <Saviq> yeah here
[16:45] <Saviq> and somehow we might need to get the data into the media player
[16:45] <Saviq> which will be a separate process
[16:46] <Saviq> ideally the data would remain in hardware
[16:46] <Saviq> but we're targetting x86 too
[16:46] <Saviq> so we need to plan for transferring the actual data between the backend and frontend for live playback
[16:47] <Saviq> yeah but I'm not talking threads
[16:47] <Saviq> true
[16:47] <dmj726> Saviq: you mean processing backend vs display frontent?
[16:47] <Saviq> sure, if it stays in the hardware then it's fine
[16:47] <dmj726> yeah, you want to display directly via hardware
[16:47] <dmj726> frontend only controls what pipeline does and sets up mechanism to display correctly
[16:48] <Saviq> dmj726, sure, in SoC that's fine, but on x86 we might end up doing everything in software
[16:48] <dmj726> Saviq: that shouldn't be a real difference except speed
[16:48] <dmj726> the gstreamer sink element should handle that, no?
[16:49] <Saviq> well, question is who owns the window
[16:50] <Saviq> in which the video is displayed, and I'm unsure whether the DVB backend should
[16:50] <Saviq> since we will have sources other to DVB
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[16:52] <Saviq> so how do we make the separate media player play live data where it's the backend that holds the hardware?
[16:53] <Saviq> thanks
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[16:53] <Saviq> sure
[16:53] <Saviq> of course
[16:54] <Saviq> ok cool
[16:54] <Saviq> ouch
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[16:54] <Saviq> thanks all
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[17:08] <cielak> yes!
[17:08] <cielak> o/
[17:09] <cielak> though laggy a bit, it seems :)
[17:14] <s-fox> oops is a technical term, ask any developer ;)
[17:17] <nxvl> There is something weird on the way it works for old time contributors, it seems it only checks for the unlocked ones, once they are check and more trophies are unlocked it will THEN check for the rest, instead of open accomplishments download + create all my trphies in one run
[17:18] <cielak> nxvl: this is actually intentional
[17:18] <nxvl> so i need to run Ctrl+N a couple of times before it checks all my trphies
[17:18] <cielak> oh, then it's a but, it should re-check automatically whenever you accomplish anything
[17:18] <cielak> bug*
[17:19] <cielak> this may be related to an issue I've been recently working on, but the fix hasn't yet been released
[17:26] <s-fox> cielak,  in the process of fixing the accomplishment mp
[17:26] <mfisch> yay cielak
[17:26] <mfisch> cielak: are you here?
[17:26] <cielak> yup :)
[17:26] <mfisch> cielak: where?
[17:27] <cielak> here, in this IRC channel :)
[17:27] <mfisch> cielak: haha i meant in Oakland
[17:27] <cielak> not in Oakland :)
[17:30] <s-fox> cielak,  i just submitted a fix.  revision 98. can you confirm i did it correctly?
[17:31] <mfisch> no ideas for the etherpad?
[17:31]  * s-fox looks at etherpad
[17:32] <mfisch> it's empty ATM
[17:33] <cielak> s-fox: yay! that's almost it, you just forgot to remove "twistd.pid" too
[17:33] <cielak> and apart from that - it's great :)
[17:33] <cielak> (s-fox is doing some really great job on ubuntuforums related accomplishments :D )
[17:33] <s-fox> Where is twistd.pid?
[17:33] <cielak> s-fox: root branch dir
[17:34]  * cielak nods at accomplishments 'difficulty'
[17:35] <s-fox> I agree with being relative, for example i found it easier to get ubuntu membership than bazaar branch merge
[17:35] <cielak> s-fox: haha :D
[17:37] <s-fox>  it was also easier for me to get on the ubuntu forums council than the bazaar accomplishment, haha :D
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[17:40] <s-fox> cielak,  i think i fixed it...again :D
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[17:41] <cielak> s-fox: brilliant! great job ;)
[17:41] <s-fox> I fixed it? :D
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[17:42] <cielak> I am not sure about that drawing trick
[17:42] <mfisch>  I really like the idea of human granted "kudos"
[17:42] <cielak> it may get really difficult for some reasons :)
[17:43] <mfisch> does everyone know the IRC channel?
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[17:48] <cielak> yeah, thanks all! :)
[17:48] <cielak> thanks jono! :)
[17:49] <s-fox> See you  :)
[18:17] <gmb> tumbleweed, ssh ubuntu@ec2-184-72-20-246.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com
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[19:33] <linuxtech> apt-listchanges already list changelogs depending on how it is configured.  It doesn't show source changes.
[19:34] <stokachu> what about errata's?
[19:46] <Effenberg0x0> Balloons read PVT
[19:49] <greymech> Alternative = PDF doc tutorial in examples folder
[19:54] <greymech> proff reading by an ordinary user
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