[16:22] <jussi> o/
[16:23] <jussi> Ahh so name remains same then.
[16:24] <jussi> Cloudy future?
[16:25] <jussi> or maybe Kloudy Future? :D
[16:26] <jussi> how much time is left in this session?
[16:27] <jussi> and have we dropped Libre office yet?
[16:28] <jussi> which sucks
[16:29] <Riddell> jussi: dropping it sucks or using it sucks?
[16:30] <Riddell> cos I've had cases recently where libreoffice has destroyed documents and I've had to use calligra to save them
[16:30] <jussi> Riddell: the lack of export to .doc sucks
[16:31] <jussi> Calligra to use is pretty nice, but I still need a damn format painter
[16:32] <Riddell> hi nixternal baby
[16:32] <nixternal> haha, hola sweetheart
[16:33] <Riddell> nixternal: anything to ask on kubuntu future?  we've mostly digressed into discussing calligra
[16:33] <jussi> if we had some other installable plugin to do the exports, that we wouldnt ship... ;)
[16:33] <nixternal> oh, that is a digression
[16:33] <nixternal> Riddell: I don't have anything right now. kubuntu scratches any & all itches I have out of the box. new network-mangler released yesterday though
[16:34] <Riddell> jussi: incase you're not listening to the stream I made the point that I'm an idealist and to me any use of ms office formats is evil and should be avoided
[16:34] <jussi> Riddell: I am listening
[16:34] <nixternal> need to see what the common community itches are that we might be able to scratch for Q
[16:34] <jussi> Riddell: from an idealist point of view we wouldnt ship any closed drivers, but we do
[16:35] <jussi> pragmatism wins here
[16:35] <nixternal> Riddell: your idealist views are golden. i am finding that more & more people are sending me ODF files now. i use google docs now for everything. everyone can read that
[16:35] <Riddell> we do with the aim of getting rid of them, we've done libreoffice for ages and now is a good time to change (in my opinion)
[16:36] <nixternal> i just tried to do something with calligra recently & I can't remember what it was, but I know it didn't work for me. I have to make a flyer for the cycling team, so I will use calligra & see how it is
[16:36] <Riddell> pleasingly calligra has direct integration with google docs (libreoffice doesn't)
[16:36] <jussi> Riddell: well thats a plus...
[16:36] <nixternal> first thing I do with my install now is 'sudo apt-get --purge remove libreoffic*'
[16:36] <Riddell> nixternal: good luck :)
[16:37] <nixternal> Riddell: lo has a horrible plugin for gdocs. reminds me of something one would see from the windows 3.1 days
[16:37] <Riddell> nixternal: kubuntu future has a pathway which we expect to work out so we can carry on the same as always
[16:37] <jussi> oh, and speaking of future, this hsould be our default layout now :P :P http://wstaw.org/m/2012/05/08/plasma-desktopXV2521.png
[16:38]  * nixternal installs calligra now
[16:38] <jussi> an online plugin could work well...
[16:39] <nixternal> with ODF, when someone with Office 2007 & later (or whatever the latest version is) will be able to open them
[16:39] <DarkwingUDS> jussi: I hate you :P:P
[16:39] <nixternal> they can open & save ODF in the new office
[16:39] <DarkwingUDS> nixternal: How far back?
[16:39] <jussi> Hey!!! credit when credit is due, I did that!
[16:39] <DarkwingUDS> jussi: :D
[16:39] <yofel> jussi: that's how my destkop looked until I put the top bar to the right edge :P
[16:39] <nixternal> this latest release. i think with the previous version they are told like in mediaplayer that they need a plugin to open it. ms has the plugin for office for all versions of supported office
[16:40] <nixternal> jussi: that needs to be brought up next april 1 :)
[16:41] <jussi> nixternal: hehe
[16:42] <nixternal> Riddell: is kubuntu going to stay in main for 12.10?
[16:42] <DarkwingUDS> nixternal: I'm going to find Kate Stewart today and ask her.
[16:43] <jussi> it appear calligras google docs integration is only one way, and requires you to insert your user and pass for everytime you try to get a doc. :/
[16:43] <nixternal> even if it goes universe, as long as canonical keeps the minimal, standard, desktop, and live task overrides in the archive indices, there shouldn't be crazy issues
[16:44] <nixternal> we are still going to use ubuntu archives for everything right? no funky external mirrors/archives?
[16:44] <jussi> nixternal: thats the plan afaik, except our ppa's as they stand
[16:44] <yofel> there was an image session somewhere
[16:44] <yofel> uds-room-210-211: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20596/kubuntu-q-images/
[16:45] <nixternal> ok, so i guess canonical is fine with have people access a project they no longer control?
[16:46] <nixternal> ie: ubuntu users can apt-get install unnamed-desktop
[16:46] <DarkwingUDS> nixternal: Aye, we are still the official KDE flavor of Ubuntu.
[16:46] <nixternal> i will say this, the audio streams work great this year. for once, i had to turn down my audio
[16:47] <DarkwingUDS> Sorry about the sneezing.
[16:47] <nixternal> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!
[16:47] <nixternal> MUTE MUTE MUTE!
[16:47] <nixternal> who has Riddell gotten into a hot tub thus far?
[16:47] <DarkwingUDS> I didn't bring my stuff. :D
[16:48] <nixternal> you are smart. i never brought swimming gear to a UDS. i knew what happens at those things ahead of time
[16:48] <DarkwingUDS> Yup, third UDS and zero water for me.
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[16:50] <Riddell> nixternal: so far I've had to use the rooftop swimming pool entirely unaccompanied, I do get lonely
[16:51] <nixternal> awww, pobrecito
[16:51] <rbelem> Riddell, in budapest and orlando i followed you
[16:51] <rbelem> :-)
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[21:53] <patrickdickey> Hi everyone. Is this where the discussion on synching your computers with ubuntu-one will be held? I've seen both this time (1500 PDT) and room, and a different time/room on the mailing list.