=== webpigeo1 is now known as webpigeon [00:51] directhex: sorted? [00:51] daftykins, just uninstalled that daemon [00:51] cunning [00:54] has anyone got experience with making irssi highlight variants of your nickname + when it's mid-sentence? [01:01] daftykins: /hilight dafty [01:01] :O simplicity is magic [01:02] AlanBell: thanks [01:54] AlanBell, aren't you theoretically here somewhere? [01:59] gord: I am actually here [02:00] AlanBell, so you claim [02:00] I am going down to the meet & greet in a sec [02:04] are you at that developers confrence thing? [04:10] ging: yes === dgjones is now known as Guest46466 === head_v is now known as Guest48210 === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [07:10] hello all [07:11] I'm looking for a command that will list the versions of the installed module versions [07:12] basically a command that will list the current set up so that it can be cloned elsewhere [07:17] mangamonk_: all your programs? [07:17] there is something in apt to dump / install with [07:17] dogmatic69: dump/install? [07:18] I believe you can also now sync your installed apps using Ubuntu one. [07:18] hi [07:18] mangamonk_: "current versions" tends to be based on repositories, unless you manually dpkg -i updated versions (which is bad) [07:18] no just for a particular site [07:18] mangamonk_: there's dpkg -l and dpkg --get-selections, but afaik there's a newer method (Which takes care of packages marked as "automatic" as well) [07:18] http://www.debianadmin.com/clone-your-ubuntu-installation.html [07:19] MartijnVdS: dump the list, install from the list [07:19] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=819396 [07:19] dogmatic69: cat installedpackages | xargs sudo aptitude install [07:19] dogmatic69: that's BAD [07:19] dogmatic69: just dpkg --set-selections < installedpackages; apt-get dselect-upgrade [07:19] or something [07:19] it's there for a reason [07:28] Morning === Guest48210 is now known as head_victim [07:36] morning [07:36] I think this is the best way to work out which packages are being used.. [07:37] http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/usage.html#searching-for-packages [07:37] and bed [07:44] mangamonk_: that's python packages, installed using pip [07:44] mangamonk_: which is outside of the package manager [07:45] ok thanks [07:45] (and shouldn't be in package-managed directories, and should be backed up properly) [08:02] * selinuxium ? [08:03] * selinuxium just received hi Raspberry Pi today! raspbmc.com here I come! [08:29] Good morning all :) [08:31] how do i bring up the layer tool in gimp? [08:32] ah, ctrlL [08:32] morning morning [08:36] good morning everyone. [08:36] morning [08:37] morning MooDoo [08:37] how are you brobostigon [08:38] i have a question: would you see the funny side if someone swapped your faces around on a photo found on fb and posted it back on facebook? [08:38] oimon: depends on the photo, but yeah probably would make me giggle [08:38] MooDoo: waking up, various aches and pains, and my eczema feels sensitive, but i am happy to finally have gotton wpa2 working in haiku, and can do some proper testing. and you? [08:38] MooDoo, yeah, i chose not to publish the one where i put the baby's face on the dads face , shame, it was a classic [08:38] brobostigon: not to bad [08:39] but i've done it to 2 fellas who are quite outgoing. [08:39] MooDoo: :) [08:39] i might do it under a nom de plume === matthew is now known as Guest12492 [09:04] you can tell it's monday/uds.....sooooooooo quiet [09:06] doesn't help that they are 8 hours behind us [09:07] yeah [09:07] kinda why popey czajkowski et al aren't here at the moment [09:09] hopefully they're all asleep by now, and not out partying all night :) [09:10] lol, quite. :) [09:10] if you''re going to oggcamp we can all meet up there [09:11] Good morning, folks! :) [09:12] morning [09:38] MooDoo: Monday? [09:38] DJones: see i'm out of it already :S [09:38] Heh === david is now known as soulnafein [09:57] morning davmor2 [09:57] morning MooDoo and all [10:00] how's it going davmor2 [10:00] MooDoo: sound as a round pound on the ground [10:01] davmor2: crackin, you off to oggcamp this year, if i've asked you that before ignore me [10:02] * davmor2 ignores MooDoo [10:03] davmor2: geee cheers mate :p [10:09] nothing with cars is ever cheap :( have to pay £500 to fix bad alternator + battery :( [10:09] that seems excessive [10:09] what kind of car, and how do you know it's the alternator and the battery? [10:10] VAT @ 20%.. [10:10] focus estate diesel [10:10] a battery is 100 quid, an alternator is a little more if new, a little less if rebuilt [10:10] unless they're putting in an eight hour shift to change it... [10:11] maybe it's tricky to access on ford :-\ dunno [10:11] how old is it? [10:11] don't have much choice. i broke down and got it towed to a garage i've used before [10:11] 56 plate [10:11] wtf [10:12] I guess the alternator could have just plain failed, but that's uncommon [10:12] when did you put a battery in it last? [10:12] it's the original [10:12] ah [10:12] they only last about four or five years typically [10:13] seems that an alternator costs aroud £170 [10:13] I'd be surprised if it's failed [10:13] battery light came on while driving. then everything in the car failed inc power steering [10:13] with a good alternator and a reasonably well-charged battery you ought to be seeing a bit over 14V across the battery terminals at a fast idle [10:14] did the engine cut out? [10:14] don't think so - don't remember too clearly as was trying to steer [10:14] okay [10:14] maybe not, but i porb would have cut the engine and tried to start again [10:15] if the fan belt breaks then you lose the alternator and power steering pump among others [10:15] hence the warning light and heavy steering [10:15] towing with a fixed bar is a bit scary [10:15] heh [10:15] can't see where the van is going , driving blind [10:15] not as scary as when the AA guy tried to tow Binky with a fixed bar [10:16] "uh, you know I've got no brakes because the car's been sitting overnight" [10:16] binky is your dog? [10:16] http://www.gjcp.net/~gordonjcp/binky.jpg [10:16] "no no the brakes will work, they'll just need more of a push on the pedal" [10:16] "no, there's no hydraulic pressure, so there's no brakes at all..." [10:17] all the fun of having two tonnes of early 80s Citroën shoving a VW Transporter out of every junction, pretty much uncontrollably [10:17] whoah, is that thing still going? [10:21] yup [10:21] it's in storage just now though [10:21] annoyingly someone broke the windscreen [10:22] :( [10:53] Who fancies a mysql connectivity question? [10:55] I don't think you'll ever find someone who *wants* to answer a MySQL question :) [10:56] you just have to ask it and see if anyone answers subconsciously [10:56] Mysql database on server A is bound to localhost and 10.x.x.x. It will respond to telnet from server B on port 3306. It will not, however, allow mysql logins from server B. Access denied for user 'bob'@'10.x.x.y' to database 'foobar' [10:56] it means you did not set up the grants table correctly [10:57] it's not a connectivity issue [10:57] I have used grant thus: grant all on foobar.* to bob@10.x.x.y identified by 'wibble'; [10:57] WIBBLE! [10:57] go onto server a and type show grants for `bob`; and put it on pastebin :) [10:57] bigcalm: How's you dude? [10:59] Hi davmor2 over working myself (including days off). Good otherwise ta. Are you recovered yet? [10:59] just finished the import email catch up [11:00] bigcalm: i can't remember the specifics, but there could be another grant getting in the way [11:00] MooDoo: fixed it! [11:01] what was it? [11:01] I had confused the username and database name :D [11:01] oh shiii [11:01] :P [11:01] doh! [11:01] They are similar in this project [11:01] Just talking about a problem can help fix it. Thanks guys :) [11:01] just remember !ask :) [11:02] !ask [11:02] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [11:02] yay [11:02] bigcalm: by any chance did you spend the long weekend watching black adder? [11:03] davmor2: no, I spent it working. And usually late into the night [11:03] I just like to use Slack Bladder references :) [11:04] I bet you don't have you underpants on your head and pencils up your nose though so we know your not mad [11:04] davmor2: not currently, no [11:05] I'm quite the loon [11:05] Right, how can I get sockets in PHP to listen on all IP addresses that a machine has, not just a specific one? [11:05] bigcalm: how do you bind() now? [11:05] bigcalm: bind to 0.0.0.0 and/or :: instead [11:06] Ooo, hadn't thought of 0.0.0.0 [11:06] (0.0.0.0 binds to all IPv4, :: to both V4 and V6 or V6 only depending on kernel setting) [11:06] Server has no ipv6 sadly (thankfully) [11:07] bigcalm: if it has a Linux kernel you can use :: (as long as the ipv6 module is available) [11:07] and it'll still work on IPv6 [11:07] AND it'll be v6-ready when it gets it :) [11:07] [2012-05-08 06:07:24] ++ Accepting connections on 0.0.0.0 port 11960 [11:07] * bigcalm boogies [11:09] it's still PHP ;) [11:13] hi guys - can anyone recommend any UK based linux courses beginner/advanced ?? [11:15] bubuz: generic linux or ubuntu specific? [11:25] Hi bubuz Did you get any other answers in #ubuntu? [11:37] MooDoo, generic or ubuntu specific if any can be recommended? [11:37] not really DJones [11:45] bubuz: i can't recommend any, but perhaps hotcourses.com may lead you in the right direction? [11:52] bubuz: the Open University were doing a linux course I don't know if that is still running [11:53] bubuz: http://www.linuxtraining.co.uk/ http://www.coursemonster.com/uk/courses/linux/ [11:55] im more wanting to know [11:55] what linux courses carry the most weight i guess [11:55] what is thought of as a good course [11:56] i know there are quite a few around [11:57] It's probably more about certs than courses then. LPIC and Linux+ are now identical so should be equivalent [11:57] a course is a course, it's what you get out of it. [11:57] agreed, a course in itself doesn't carry much weight [11:57] but for most places, experience trumps certs and courses by several orders of magnitude [11:57] i kno with linux especially exp > certs [11:58] but am gaining the exp now [11:58] and figure if i can get my company to pay for me to get some certs [11:58] all the better [11:58] LPIC / Linux + I have heard of [11:58] ah yeah [11:58] if it's certs you're after, then LPIC or Linux+ are the ones to go for [11:58] bubuz: ever thought about REDHAT rhce? ? [11:58] or RHCE etc. [11:58] RH are higher-regarded (and harder) but obviously quite RH-centric [11:59] have thought about it yes [11:59] which wont preclude a Debian-flavoured job, you'll just need to learn some RHisms for it [11:59] would love to but in honestly have never used RH linux [11:59] i did the RHCE exam a # of years ago, it's a pretty cool process [12:00] mainly use ubuntu/arch [12:00] massively different to ubuntu? [12:01] no, but the exam is very red hat-centric (as someone said) [12:01] heavy use of yum/rpm/red hat tools [12:01] and you have to pay for rh which im sure wouldnt go down too great with my company [12:01] as they are trying to move away from paying MS! [12:01] you could use centos/scientific linux/whatever :) [12:03] maybe fedora would be a good options [12:04] Yeah, I've seen fedora suggested as a good place to practice for RH?? exams [12:04] cheers guys [12:04] bubuz: RH is about as different to Ubuntu as Arch is I think [12:04] It's got a lot more 'things' though [12:05] I'll give centOS a try i think [12:05] it all depends what your goal is [12:05] if the training is to support what you run at work [12:05] then obviously that should determine which classes you take :) [12:05] goal is to get a good cert so I can leave this MS shop and move to a linux job with better £££ :) [12:05] ultimately [12:05] then i'd say a red hat cert is a good choice [12:06] ok thanks for your help [12:06] since it's the most widely recognized linux-based certification that i'm aware of [12:06] yeah, RH is better than LPIC for general Linux jobs [12:06] and there's more RH jobs than Debian ones, generally [12:06] cool [12:06] if i might make an observation [12:06] directhex: uh oh [12:06] so ill look into read hat certs and hopefully be able to train using centOS [12:06] * mattt braces [12:07] lol [12:07] please do directhex [12:07] if i have a pile of CVs, and one of them has a bucket of fancy certifications, and the other has a bunch of decent bug reports in any major distro and maybe even is a contributor, then the cert guy is going in the bin [12:07] * mattt puts directhex in the bin [12:07] yeah, we covered that earlier [12:07] :) [12:07] lol yeah [12:07] agreed [12:07] just saying [12:07] directhex: fully agree [12:07] exp > certs [12:07] but if your getting the exp now [12:07] "You need experience" "yeah, but work are buying a cert for me so I might as well get one" "Oh, okay, RHCE or LPIC then" [12:07] you may aswell get the certs to boot no? [12:07] ^^^ what he said :] [12:08] there's no "X cert is better than Y cert" from where I'm sat, there's just a bunch of stuff that says "i was too busy taking certs to get ubuntu commit rights" [12:08] so certs are *bad* in your eyes? [12:08] BigRedS, actively bad, yes. [12:08] directhex: but if you're applying at a bank or corporation, they'd probably care more about the cert than bug reports :P [12:08] it depends where you're applying, I suppose [12:08] BigRedS, howEVER, for large corps, HR won't allow any CV with experience through, only certs [12:08] I've been forced to take certs for the sake of having them before [12:08] if your cert gets screend by HR you *need* acronyms [12:08] ah, yes [12:09] and, er, s/cert/cv/ there, too [12:09] I typed in a rush and was still beated by directhex :) [12:09] get the CUBS certification -- Certified Ubuntu Bug Submitter [12:09] i make you certificate in paint! [12:10] in all seriousness though, if i can see someone's launchpad bug activity, i can see how they think - their diagnostic processes, their methodology, etc. if they have a cert, all i know is they had free time [12:10] comes down to this directhex, where do you recruit for? [12:10] only $99 [12:10] who rather [12:10] ali1234: I'll take four! [12:10] bubuz, small biz. academia. places with a LOT of FOSS knowledge [12:11] speaking of [12:11] anyone near swindon? [12:11] academia - says it all [12:11] saw a neat unix/linux job opening for the national trust [12:11] directhex: massive difference is that it's quite easy to get a cert just by working, and hard to get commit rights or whatever on any given project [12:12] BigRedS, precisely. [12:12] and, also, commit rights as a sense of quality is only that great for developers. Sure, anyone else can do bugreporting and support and the like [12:12] but for that you just google their name and see which lists they're on [12:13] still, I find it hard to agree with the notion that some guy's last job got them to work to a certificate and this should count against them [12:14] cool [12:15] ill download the RH course material and have a gander before seriously checking out the courses/certs avail [12:15] and get a copy of centos in the meantime [12:15] :) [12:15] anyway, so long as you're not trying to work for directhex you shoudl be fine with RHCE or LPIC :) [12:15] hah ;o) [12:16] long shot and I know this is not the channel but as it is a UK channel - anyone here running XBMC? :) [12:16] quite probably [12:16] but i'd be surprised if our competitors felt differently [12:16] well, we like seeing certs on CVs here and we have no HR department [12:16] it's still on the hard disk of an xbox i haven't booted for years. does that count? [12:17] its moved on a lot since then directhex :P [12:17] pfft. typical. [12:18] lol its just dead in the main chan [12:19] maybe they're all watching TV [12:24] hmm, anyone else banned from #centos ? [12:24] i've never been in there .. [12:24] you probably need to be registered [12:25] /msg nickserv help register [12:25] yeah i should be reg'd already [12:25] -NickServ- You are already logged in as Flexa [12:25] odd [12:26] strange unless they have blanket bann'd alot of ec2 IP's which is a possiblity [12:26] oh yes, very much so [12:26] ec2 = wretched hive of scum and villainy [12:26] going to spin up a centOS ec2 instance while at work to get started [12:26] lovely. [12:26] hah [12:27] all sorts lurk in there ali1234 ;0) [12:28] hmm i can spin up RHEL 6.2 on ec2 [12:28] on a micro instance [12:28] nice. [12:28] doesn't that have a subscription cost? [12:28] perhaps [12:29] dont think so looking at it [12:29] they must absorb this cost / i get the free 30 day trial maybe? [12:29] hm, perhaps [12:29] I can't see Amazon absorbing any costs at all :) [12:30] ah ok [12:30] well you can run windows instances can't you? [12:30] a micro instance is $0.08/hour as opposed to free [12:30] yes you can [12:30] a micro instance of ubuntu for example is free though [12:31] ali1234: yeah, at about double the cost of a Linux one [12:31] though, yeah, checking their price list it's just Linux prices and Windows prices [12:31] BigRedS, at least [12:31] so not sure what's going on :) [12:32] ah, no, RHEL gets its own price list [12:32] http://aws.amazon.com/rhel/ [12:32] more expensive than Windows :) [12:35] no so bad on a micro instance [12:35] just to get used to it [12:36] lolhat enterlol lolux [12:37] http://kudos707.deviantart.com/art/ID-5-254818597 [12:38] bubuz: just use centos :D [12:40] RHEL is pronounced like "R-hell" right? [12:40] lmao [12:40] ali1234: you funny [12:41] i go for "r'hel". think "vl'hurg" [12:41] I think I normally pronounce it 'Redat' [12:44] mattt, why centOS if i can try RHEL? :P [12:45] bubuz: centos free, rhel not [12:47] kk [12:47] :) [12:47] is yum massively different to apt? [12:47] it does the same thing with different commands [12:47] cool [12:48] s/same/similar/ [12:48] well, depends how you define the 'thing' [12:48] repo manager [12:48] there's different featuresets, but I don't think there's much in the way of tasks you can do on one but not the other [12:49] no, package manager [12:49] you manage the repos, it uses them [12:49] sorry package mgr * [12:49] :) [12:49] :) [13:00] ok - may open a whole new can of worms here [13:00] but what is SUSE all about then as it is an enterprise level product [13:01] what do you mean? [13:01] It's supposed to do what RH does [13:01] but in a more German way [13:01] "in a mroe german way" [13:01] yeah, it's pretty popular in Germany [13:01] and nowhere else [13:02] lol [13:02] cool [13:05] have been using linux, mainly ubuntu now for a few years [13:05] but not for enterprise stuff mostly [13:05] Everytime anybody mentions 'enterprise' use of software I picture a US supercarrier [13:06] what is the different between runing ubuntu server and centOS server for example? how is one more tailored to enterprise than the other? [13:06] BigRedS: or wesley crushed in an ubuntu top :) [13:06] sorry for all the queastions :) [13:06] bubuz: centos c - enterprise OS is built from rhel code [13:07] what makes that code better for running a server than perhaps ubuntu server? :/ [13:08] Centos takes an age to boot. Ubuntu server doesn't. :-) [13:08] not looking for an essay of an enaswer am sure could spend hours going into it [13:08] lol [13:08] bubuz: probsably no difference, just a different companys way of doing it [13:08] TheOpenSourcerer: come on it's not that bad lol [13:09] bubuz: Certain vendors of "Enterprise" software certify their code on RHEL. It will run on CentOS as it is basically identical to RHEL. [13:09] MooDoo: In my experience it is. [13:09] bubuz: same as any other "why distro X rather than distro Y" [13:09] We run almost everything on 10.04 LTS right now. When customers do specify CentOS it takes an age to boot in comparison, [13:09] personal preference [13:10] TheOpenSourcerer: ah what do you know it's not as if you own a linux based company is it...;) lol [13:10] TheOpenSourcerer, am using 10.04 lts server at the moment and more than happy with it [13:10] but as it is an enterprise server am wondering what I would gain by moving it to centOS for example [13:10] 10.04 has been great as a server platform. [13:10] Moving to CentOS? Why? [13:11] bubuz: not a lot [13:11] bubuz: if you're happy with what you have don't move it [13:11] bubuz: there wouldn't be any gain [13:11] Seriously, 'Enterprise' is mostly a buzzword [13:11] you'd just need to learn yum instead of apt-get :) [13:11] we have just been bought out by a much much bigger company - buzz words will help me keep my job when talking to no techie [13:12] You will get little/no obvious benefit and a whole heap of pain as everything is configured differently and you have the RPM package manager [13:12] non techie* [13:12] Tell them how HP and others are now building their new "Cloud offerings" on Ubuntu server. Wikipedia runs on it and plenty more [13:13] ^^^ like it [13:13] :) [13:13] I'm sure Ubuntu has some buzword-compliant marketing propaganda you can use [13:13] lol [13:13] http://www.ubuntu.com/business/server/overview [13:18] bubuz: add to that how Ubuntu are intending to obtain a 5% market share of all computer sales in 2012-2013, Are the number one cloud server OS for aws and openstack and how with awsome you can flip between the 2 with no extra work...... [13:21] There's a thing called awsome? [13:21] awesome [13:21] bet czajkowski loves that :) [13:21] BigRedS: czajkowski is awesome [13:21] most overused word in the dictionary. I blame the yanks. [13:22] My RaspberryPi arrived today. [13:22] :-D [13:23] Yeah, I've ended up using it way too much [13:23] but it's an awesome word [13:25] morning [13:25] TheOpenSourcerer, FU!!!!! [13:25] lol [13:25] you rang [13:25] when did you register your interest? RS Online? [13:30] BigRedS: Any Web Service On ME iirc [13:30] TheOpenSourcerer, it did? awesome! [13:30] * directhex flees [13:31] TheOpenSourcerer: woohoo! [13:32] I take it the Windows Me jokes have all been made by now [13:43]