[00:17] <Optichip> can someone recommend the best way to remove jack?
[00:18] <Optichip> would it be apt-get purge or apt-get remove?
[00:50] <len-dt> let the car down first...
[02:17] <MOSMarauder> hi folks
[02:17] <MOSMarauder> topic seems a bit outdated ?
[02:18] <len-dt> MOSMarauder, gotta find someone with priv. to change it.
[02:18] <MOSMarauder> xD
[02:19] <len-dt> Live DVD and no alt install.
[02:25] <MOSMarauder> more important: 12.04LTS version ;)
[02:25] <MOSMarauder> using xfce now...
[02:28] <len-dt> Ya, that too. Web page needs update too, but that is happening...I think.
[02:28] <MOSMarauder> jup saw the note
[02:29] <len-dt> There is a daily build for 12.10 pre alpha now, but there are no changes from 12.04 yet.
[02:37] <MOSMarauder> installed 1204 in a VM for testing.
[02:42] <len-dt> I have it on two of my machines, a desktop and a netbook. I had been testing it on a second drive. The desktop still has the old drive (10.10 I think) but the netbook doesn't.
[03:05] <len-dt> I don't have any ongoing projects to worry about, but can boot to my old disk if I need gcdmaster for example.
[04:52] <JZApples> Hi!  I'm running UbuntuStudio 12.04 and when I attempt to start Jack i receive an error..."D-BUS: JACK server could not be started.  Sorry."  Anyone have any ideas?  This did not happen with Ubuntu 12.04.
[04:54] <holstein> JZApples: ubuntustudio 12.04 *is* ubuntu
[04:54] <holstein> JZApples: i would try staring JACK as root to troubleshoot
[04:54] <holstein> gksudo qjackctl
[04:55] <holstein> if it start as root, then you know its a permissions issue
[05:02] <JZApples> holstein, I did not have this problem on a fresh Ubuntu 12.04 install.
[05:03] <holstein> JZApples: cool
[05:03] <holstein> JZApples: i could suggest just going back to that install
[05:04] <holstein> JZApples: i assure you , they are the same
[05:04] <holstein> JZApples: i can suggest a couple of things such as the step above
[05:05] <holstein> JZApples: im quite sure its either permissions, or a setting in JACK that is not configured to use your sound device
[05:05] <JZApples> holstein, thanks, i'll try that now
[05:08] <holstein> JZApples: im on my way out, so if you need more help try #opensourcemusicians
[05:09] <JZApples> holstein, ok this sounds like a newb question, but how do i run JACK as root?
[05:12] <JZApples> holstein, nevermind i got it, duh
[05:12] <JZApples> holstein, thanks
[05:12] <JZApples> holstein, that didn't work though :(
[16:52] <studio-user603> hi there
[16:53] <studio-user603> Anyone ?
[16:53] <holstein> studio-user603: sure
[16:54] <holstein> im about to run though.. try #opensourcemusicians if you need more help
[16:54] <studio-user603> Yeah ok, fine.
[16:54] <studio-user603> i have just a question
[16:54] <studio-user603> I m trying this distro cause i can't solve issues on ubuntu or debian with my M AUDIO 2496
[16:55] <holstein> studio-user603: ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[16:55] <holstein> studio-user603: that device is supported though
[16:55] <holstein> studio-user603: i would ask in that channel i suggested, where i know folks use it
[16:55] <studio-user603> Well, i m unable to understand how to put sound on classic ubuntu with my card.
[16:56] <studio-user603> ya know, for using VLC or youtube or anyshit that does not rely on jack ... and stuff, i m kinda lost with ALSA and other things
[16:56] <holstein> studio-user603: i dont konw what "classic" ubunt is
[16:56] <holstein> studio-user603: i woud try pavucontrol
[16:57] <holstein> studio-user603: adding or usuing ubuntustudio with JACK will just be overkill and not simplify anything fr you
[16:57] <studio-user603> Please ;) d'ont be a dick ... ^^ i m talkin' bout' ubuntu desktop
[16:57] <holstein> for*
[16:57] <holstein> studio-user603: ?
[16:57] <holstein> studio-user603: i assure you im not
[16:57] <holstein> studio-user603: there is nothing called "ubuntu classic"
[16:57] <holstein> i am just being precise
[16:57] <studio-user603> I think it might be great, cause i plan on switching to linux for MAO
[16:57] <holstein> ubuntu is ubuntu
[16:57] <holstein> studio-user603: try pavucontrol
[16:58] <holstein> there you can select the device you want to "route" to
[16:58] <studio-user603> I have this kind of sound card cause i make music... and i m ready to shit bricks using my Roland GR 55 or my Line 6 gear on linux
[16:58] <studio-user603> pavucontrol
[16:58] <studio-user603> ok ...
[16:58] <studio-user603> i post-it this
[16:58] <holstein> gotta run... good luck
[16:58] <studio-user603> see ya
[17:30] <br4ndon> Hi there
[17:32] <br4ndon> I like playing with the latest kernel, and just installed UbuntuStudio. Are there any problem compiling the latest kernel (3.3.5) with kernel config used by Studio?
[17:42] <picic> Hi how do i install ubuntu studio on ubuntu 12.04
[17:45] <picic> anyone
[17:47] <br4ndon> picic: sudo aptitude install ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:48] <picic> Thank you will this install everything
[17:48] <br4ndon> Yes
[17:48] <br4ndon> You should install the realtime kernel too: sudo aptitude install linux-rt
[17:49] <picic> ah thanks.:)
[17:49] <picic> aptitude: command not found
[17:49] <picic> hmmž
[17:49] <br4ndon> Just twaek up your lilo config (or grub config) to use this kernel while booting ubuntu studio
[17:49] <br4ndon> sudo apt-get install ubuntustudio-desktop
[17:50] <br4ndon> sudo apt-get install linux rt
[17:50] <br4ndon> sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[17:50] <picic> how do i do that lilo grub
[17:51] <picic> where can i read more about it
[17:51] <picic> also can i force pulse audio to use sample rate of 48000
[17:52] <picic> and can you turn on phantom power automaticly in alsamixer when system boots up
[17:52] <picic> so i dont have to do it manually every time
[17:53] <br4ndon> picic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB
[17:54] <aparaatti> Hi, I'm having problems with jack and m-audio transit... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11917919#post11917919
[17:54] <picic> Thanks what about my other two questions :)
[17:54] <br4ndon> picic: did you read the doc? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
[17:55] <picic> no :P
[17:55] <picic> other application change sample rate so my audio gets corruptet
[17:56] <mbeierl> Is anyone familiar with Qtractor here?
[17:57] <aparaatti> ok there it is apparently https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaudioTransitUSB it's exactly the same problem i had way back :D
[18:05] <picic> is it good to install drivers for my graphic card or i just leave it default ubuntu drivers
[18:06] <aparaatti> what graphics card you have?
[18:07] <picic> hd 5850
[18:08] <aparaatti> I would install ati:s drivers
[18:09] <picic> from  amd or just what ubuntu  suggest
[18:10] <aparaatti> from amd... unless you are hardcore for open source :D or something maybe
[18:10] <picic> ::P
[18:12] <br4ndon> picic: just compare
[18:12] <br4ndon> do a glxgears with the opensource drivers
[18:12] <br4ndon> and then one with the ati catalyst driver
[18:12] <br4ndon> and see if you get an higher or lower fps
[18:13] <picic> well its a pain to unistall them they brake a lot of stuff
[18:14] <br4ndon> picic: nope, just save your old xorg.conf and restore it if necessary...
[18:14] <picic> Thanks but where is that loacted :P
[18:15] <br4ndon> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:15] <br4ndon> I would do that
[18:15] <picic> Thanks installed studio now restart hope everything is ok.:)
[18:16] <br4ndon> cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.old
[18:16] <picic> : Unable to locate package linux-rt
[18:16] <picic> hmm
[18:17] <br4ndon> picic: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[18:18] <picic> Thanks
[18:21] <aparaatti> no win for me...
[18:22] <picic> Thanks aparaatti.Appreciate it.:)
[18:22] <aparaatti> the ppa is old and is already in the repository
[18:39] <picic> Take care, with some nVidia or AMD/ATI graphic card, the linux-rt kernel will not work with restricted driver. It always better to avoid use of restricted drivers if you don't need them. If your aim is audio production (recording, live performance) at low latency, my advice is to stay at the moment on Ubuntu Hardy LTS. Karmic is under testing.
[18:39] <picic> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
[18:39] <holstein> precise 12.04 is LTS picic
[18:40] <picic> but i just installed adm driver
[18:40] <holstein> and its a bit too soon for 12.10 to be under testing
[18:40] <picic> FFFFFFFF
[18:40] <picic> amd
[18:44] <br4ndon> picic: I am currently using the latest amd proprietary driver with the realtime kernel. No problem on my laptop.
[18:44] <picic> Yeahhhhhhhhhhh
[18:44] <picic> :D
[18:44] <holstein> i have it in 10.04 with a patched realtime kernel
[18:45] <holstein> with the lowlatency one from ubuntustudio, it shouldnt be an issue
[18:45] <picic> i heard RUTE is a good place to start learning linux
[18:45] <holstein> mabye #linux
[18:45] <picic> lol
[18:46] <br4ndon> picic: If you want to learn linux, I would advice you to use Slackware. But that' s my point of view.
[18:46] <picic> never tried it
[18:46] <picic> i tried fedora debian opensuse and ubuntu
[18:46] <picic> i liked fedora the most
[18:46] <br4ndon> As said many times, Ubuntu will teach you Ubuntu, Fedora will teach you Fedora, Slackware will teach you Linux.
[18:47] <picic> ok::)
[18:53] <len-dt> br4ndon, I like slackware... started using from before 1.0 (.98 or something) and yes it was a good teacher... but, a lot of the system stuff is not the same as anyone else... like almost the whole of /etc anymore.
[18:57] <br4ndon> len-dt: I agree! But I think it defines Linux more than any other distro
[18:58] <len-dt> If it wasn't for Ustudio, I would probably still have all my machines on it.
[18:59] <br4ndon> Believe me or not, I tried having a hybrid slack/ubuntustudio, like having Slackware64-current with the package line-up of ubuntu-studio
[18:59] <picic> wow in dual monitor flash is still out of focus
[19:00] <br4ndon> I gave up half-way: too much dependencies to compile, waste of time :[
[19:00] <br4ndon> So I installed it on another partition and dualboot with lilo
[19:02] <len-dt> br4ndon, I can imagine. Probably half the deps were there but because they are not deb style apt doesn't know about them.
[19:03] <len-dt> Assuming SW still uses tarball packages.
[19:04] <br4ndon> len-dt: .txz packages :]
[19:05] <br4ndon> LZAO compression is more efficient than Gzipping
[19:06] <len-dt> Same idea though... untar in / and everything ends up in the right place.
[19:06] <br4ndon> The most atrocious thing was the whole Jack "universe", and the god damn gnome deps
[19:06] <len-dt> Like I say, most of the libs were probably there, just apt couldn't see them because apt didn't install them.
[19:07] <br4ndon> len-dt: apt on slack? Never heard of it
[19:07] <len-dt> There used to be a thing called audioslack. It seemed to work pretty good.
[19:07] <br4ndon> maybe you are talking about slapt-get?
[19:07] <len-dt> Could be. But same thing.
[19:08] <br4ndon> Thanks for that, I am going to check for audioslack
[19:08] <br4ndon> Still there! http://www.audioslack.com/
[19:08] <br4ndon> Seems dead though
[19:09] <len-dt> I think audioslack has lost any new development for 5 or more years.
[19:09] <br4ndon> Yup, dead since 2007
[19:09] <irv> any idea on 12.04 availability for US?
[19:10] <len-dt> Keeping a distro going is a lot of work. ubuntustudio is a lot easier to do.
[19:10] <irv> ooh :o the website says it's up
[19:10] <br4ndon> irv: why wouldn't it ne available for US?
[19:10] <len-dt> ubuntustudio 12.04 has been released.
[19:10] <br4ndon> *be
[19:10] <irv> sorry, i meant for ubuntu Studio
[19:10] <irv> :P
[19:10] <irv> didn't realize the iso was released!
[19:10] <irv> topic is a bit out of date :]
[19:10] <holstein> ubuntustudio *is* ubuntu
[19:10] <holstein> when ubuntu releases, US does
[19:11] <len-dt> No one seems to have the permition needed to change it
[19:11] <holstein> the topic should be updated
[19:11] <irv> yeah, just figured there was maybe a small delay as with several other "sub" released
[19:11] <irv> releases heh
[19:11] <irv> kinda forgot that it's been out for 2 weeks
[19:11] <holstein> irv: nope
[19:11] <irv> :p
[19:11] <irv> excellent :]
[19:11] <holstein> irv: not even an hour
[19:11] <holstein> they all come out about the same time
[19:11] <irv> is there an overview somewehre on the updated packages?
[19:11] <len-dt> april25
[19:11] <irv> specific to studio
[19:11] <holstein> irv: probably
[19:11] <irv> also, any of you ever played with hydrogen?
[19:11] <holstein> release notes or something like that
[19:12] <irv> will check around on the site :] thanks
[19:12]  * holstein has used hydrogen
[19:12] <holstein> we have a new site coming
[19:12] <holstein> its been going up for about 2 years now, so we'll see :)
[19:12] <br4ndon> len-dt: since I tried to learn LFS, I totally value and understand that amount of work :]
[19:12] <len-dt> hydrogen seems to just work for me.
[19:12] <irv> also, downloads page needs updating, ahh okay
[19:12] <irv> :D
[19:12] <irv> len-dt: yeah i've used it in the past, with previous versions of studio
[19:12] <irv> as well as normal ubuntu
[19:13] <irv> just wondering how much progression has been made since like 10.04
[19:13] <irv> :D
[19:13] <holstein> i just google search like this.. "download ubuntustudio 12.04"
[19:13] <irv> yeah, there's a link on the main page as well
[19:13] <irv> just not on the 'downloads' page heh
[19:13] <irv> i just want to set up a box again for messing around at home. eventually interface with a nice board.. but for now just program some drum tracks to jam to :D
[19:14] <irv> hydrogen seemed to be really intuitive last time
[19:14] <holstein> somewhere downl the page you'll see http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/12.04/release/
[19:14] <irv> yeah, i am already downloading, was just mentioning that the downloads page is missing the link to 12.04 heh
[19:14] <irv> thx :)
[19:14] <holstein> irv: im sure it is
[19:14] <len-dt> US is being done by a handful of people, part time. Audioslack would require more work because ubuntustudio is ubuntu with some extra packages
[19:14] <holstein> irv: if its a wiki, you can update it
[19:14] <holstein> we are in the "grab a broom" stages
[19:15] <irv> doesn't look like it heh
[19:15] <irv> http://ubuntustudio.org/downloads
[19:15] <len-dt> holstein, I think it is on the main page...
[19:15] <irv> just referring to that page
[19:15] <irv> there's a post right on the main site though
[19:15] <irv> linking directly to the release
[19:15] <irv> i just instinctively clicked downloads heh
[19:15] <irv> and noticed it wasn't there
[19:15] <irv> dassit
[19:15] <irv> ;d
[19:15] <holstein> irv: check http://ubuntustudio.org/home
[19:15] <holstein> you'll see an appology and a link to 12.04
[19:15] <holstein> irv: and the release notes
[19:16] <irv> guess i shoudl ahve read further down :D
[19:16] <irv> ooh, thx
[19:16] <holstein> irv: i think its fair to assume the download link should work
[19:16] <holstein> irv: we are in a stage where its not like the NYC metro where you "see something, say something"
[19:16] <holstein> we are more in a "grab a broom" stage
[19:17] <holstein> if something needs to be done, and you want to get envolved, feel free!
[19:17] <holstein> otherwise, we are waiting on some higher-ups to push the new site through
[19:17] <irv> ha ha, i gotcha
[19:17] <holstein> we have only bad excuses for why its not current
[19:17] <irv> i wasn't trying to be a dick :D
[19:17] <holstein> irv: nah.. me either.. just sayin'
[19:17] <holstein> irv: glad you are here!
[19:17] <irv> but for sure, i've used the release for about a year maybe 2 years ago
[19:17] <irv> had some good feedback during that time
[19:18] <irv> wanting to take a look now that 12.04 is out :]
[19:18] <holstein> i think you'll like it
[19:18] <irv> plus i have a box to set it up again now
[19:18] <holstein> im still using 10.04
[19:18] <holstein> but ive testing 12.04
[19:18] <irv> is there a wiki somewehre on compatible hardware?
[19:18] <irv> and hardware recommendations
[19:18] <holstein> irv: not one that i trust
[19:18] <irv> not so much comp hardware
[19:18] <irv> but MIDI/boards
[19:18] <irv> etc
[19:18] <holstein> irv: the iso is live though now
[19:18] <holstein> the usual places are just alsa
[19:19] <holstein> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Main
[19:19] <holstein> i dont believe it til i see it.. a kernel rev or alsa rev can break anything really
[19:19] <irv> other than this chan, any good forums to get recommendations from otehr ubuntu studio users?
[19:19] <holstein> irv: #opensourcemusicians
[19:20] <irv> yes, that's the chan i was thinking of :D
[19:20] <irv> <3
[19:20] <irv> totally forgot about that
[19:20] <irv> i'm just thinking like if i'm gonna buy a new board for home, i woudl like to hear waht others are using in their home studios w/ ubuntu studio
[19:20] <irv> and how the hardware performs ,etc :) thx
[19:28] <len-dt> irv, depends on if you are looking at PCI/firewire or USB
[19:28] <len-dt> then its a money thing.
[19:42] <picic> E: Unable to locate package linux-rt
[19:42] <picic> E: Unable to locate package linux-headers-rt
[19:42] <picic> when i use
[19:43] <picic> sudo apt-get install linux-rt linux-headers-rt
[19:45] <holstein> picic: i would say you have another package manager open
[19:45] <holstein> picic: also, just use tabe complete
[19:45] <holstein> tab*
[19:45] <picic> ok
[19:46] <holstein> if you just added a PPA, you'll need "sudo apt-get update"
[19:46] <picic> no other package manager is used
[19:46] <picic> hmm
[19:46] <holstein> picic: OK
[19:46] <holstein> picic: im literally going in order of what *could* be the issue
[19:47] <holstein> if you use tab complete, then you'll know what is available
[19:47] <picic> :)
[19:47] <holstein> or, use synaptic... or whatever package manager you prefer
[19:47] <holstein> if you added the PPA and didnt use "apt-get update" it wont be listed as available
[19:47] <picic> nope nothing in synaptic
[19:47] <holstein> you can always just go and grab the .deb 's
[19:47] <picic> link?
[19:47] <holstein> OR, just use the kernel you have
[19:48] <holstein> picic: you should have it from the PPA
[19:48] <holstein> picic: i dont know what you are trying to get/do
[19:48] <picic> im gonna reboot now to complete upgrade to ubuntu Studio
[19:48] <holstein> whatever it is, the default one will do quite nicely
[19:48] <picic> ok.Thanks.:)
[19:48] <picic> At2020 works great via xlr
[19:48] <picic> nice clean sound
[19:48] <picic> :D
[19:49] <picic> ok gonna reboot cya
[20:22] <mbeierl> does 12.04 use a low latency or -rt kernel?
[20:23] <len-dt> 12.04 uses low latency
[20:25] <mbeierl> thanks, len-dt
[20:26] <br4ndon> len-dt: I like playing aroung with the latest kernel. Do you think compiling 3.3.5 with the kernel config used by Studio would break anything? The doc says it would.
[20:28] <len-dt> br4ndon, that is beyond my understanding.
[20:28] <br4ndon> nevermind :p
[20:30] <len-dt> So far as I know they are now just config changes, not actual patches.
[20:32] <br4ndon> There are some interesting additions and improvements sometimes
[20:34] <len-dt> Ya those configs may do different things in the 3.3 kernel.
[20:38] <br4ndon> well, let's try out
[20:39] <br4ndon> i just picked up the default config, and compilling 3.3.5 kernel with it. too lazy to check out the new params. :p
[20:39] <br4ndon> Since it take years to do, I'll come back here tomorrow so I'll tell you if it is working well or not. See ya!
[20:39] <br4ndon> ?quit