[05:42] <knome> pleia2, ?
[05:44] <pleia2> knome: yep
[05:45] <knome> hai! :)
[05:45] <knome> a few things:
[05:46] <knome> can you get together with micahg and go through the "development" part of the website and quickly see what would need updating, and if we are being as useful as possible?
[05:46] <knome> i suppose that applies to the wiki too ^
[05:46] <pleia2> he runs quickly, but I'll see what I can do :)
[05:46] <knome> hehe
[05:46] <knome> maybe on some evening or so
[05:47] <pleia2> I'll bribe him with xubuntu stickers
[05:47] <knome> x)
[05:47] <pleia2> "hi, I have stickers for you, by the way...."
[05:47] <knome> hihi
[05:47] <knome> sounds good
[05:48] <knome> another thing: is there any guide on how to become an (official) mirror for xubuntu?
[05:48] <knome> would that just be syncing xubuntu images too and telling us so we can link to them?
[05:49] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors is all I know about, and OSU has already gone through the stuff to get an Ubuntu mirror
[05:49] <pleia2> I don't know what flavors do
[05:50] <pleia2> s/get/be
[05:50] <knome> ok, in that case if you have any pointers on where to ask or if you could ask somebody in uds, that would be great :)
[05:51] <knome> i think generally we might want to know what the procedure is so we can tell people about it on our website, for example
[05:52]  * pleia2 nods
[05:53] <knome> i think that's it for now
[05:54] <knome> i'll poke you with other things later this week since you are in a relatively good place for cooperation ;)
[05:55] <pleia2> ok, looks like I can nudge one of the canonical sysadmins to see if they know (just drilled down through ~ubuntu-mirror-admins until I found someone I know :))
[05:55] <knome> the netherland mirror is finally up too, updating /getxubuntu
[05:55] <knome> hihi, great
[05:55] <pleia2> yay
[06:21] <ochosi> morning everyone
[06:21] <knome> hey ochosi :)
[06:22] <ochosi> the keyboard overlay stuff is ready for testing: https://launchpad.net/xfce4-keyboard-overlay
[06:22] <ochosi> i mean initial testing
[06:22] <ochosi> i looked at the code and there are still a few things to iron out
[06:22] <ochosi> but if you wanna see how it'll look/feel...
[06:22] <knome> "when i say testing, i mean initial testing"
[06:22] <knome> ;)
[06:23] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=1120&preview=true
[06:23] <knome> ochosi, pleia2 ^
[06:23] <ochosi> knome: btw, this is an example of the buttons in infobar not looking too bad imo: http://imagebin.org/211451
[06:23] <ochosi> knome: thing is, atm they don't look integrated there at all
[06:24] <knome> ochosi, i'd hope they'd be somewhat visually different
[06:24] <micahg> mr_pouit: FYI, we'll need to upload the indicator GTK2 stack soon, ted told me that the dbus API doesn't have any planned changes, so we should be fine.  If the panel is ported to GTK3 in time for quantal, maybe we can just pull that in and drop the duplicate indicator packages
[06:24] <micahg> mr_pouit: he should be letting me know when it happens, so I guess I'll take care of that
[06:24] <pleia2> knome: looks good
[06:25] <ochosi> knome: yeah, the page looks fine
[06:28] <ochosi> knome: anyway, i'll be mostly away today (work)
[06:28] <ochosi> micahg: ah, that's good to hear (no dbus api changes)
[06:29] <knome> heh
[06:30] <knome> i'm wondering if i can make the torrent-part somewhat more prominent
[06:32] <ochosi> you could add icons ;)
[06:33] <knome> i know
[06:33] <knome> is there a general "torrent" icon?
[06:34] <ochosi> not sure, but there is a generic download icon
[06:34] <knome> maybe some kind of "download" icon next to the 32-bit/64-bit links
[06:34] <knome> mmh
[06:34] <knome> do we have one in elementary?
[06:35] <ochosi> yup
[06:35] <ochosi> in mimes/24 and mimes/48
[06:35] <ochosi> there should also be a browser-download icon
[06:35] <ochosi> file:///home/ochosi/Nerdstuff/shimmer/elementary-xfce/elementary-xfce/mimes/48/application-x-bittorrent.svg
[06:35] <ochosi> this one could work
[06:35] <knome> hehe
[06:35] <ochosi> it's generic and not very torrent-specific in terms of its looks
[06:35] <knome> except i don't have /home/ochosi/ :)
[06:35] <ochosi> but it should be ok
[06:35] <ochosi> poor boy ;)
[06:37] <knome> yeah, looks fine
[06:37] <ochosi> ok good
[06:38] <ochosi> i think that's generally a good idea, throw more icons at the page
[06:38] <knome> yeah
[06:38] <ochosi> people get disinterested so quickly with text_only
[06:38] <ochosi> (it's even like that with myself...)
[06:38] <knome> the problem is that we don't have much classes to support that
[06:38] <ochosi> hmright
[06:38] <knome> i mean, we need to use many inline styles
[06:38] <knome> what we should do this cycle
[06:38] <ochosi> yeah, that sucks
[06:38] <knome> and what i'm marking down NOW
[06:38] <knome> do a draft posting
[06:38] <knome> and set a few styles we continuously want to use
[06:39] <knome> and upload css for them
[06:39] <knome> something like .icon-left would make much sense
[06:39] <knome> for example
[06:39] <ochosi> mhm
[06:39] <ochosi> good idea
[06:49] <knome> http://xubuntu.org/?page_id=1120&preview=true <-- better?
[06:51] <ochosi> yes, far better imo
[06:51] <knome> yeah, good
[06:51] <knome> going to throw this live
[06:51] <ochosi> i'd even consider adding a hdd icon next to requirements
[06:52] <ochosi> and an upgrade icon next to the upgrade section
[06:52] <knome> then we'd need a "memory" icon too
[06:52] <ochosi> yes prolly, still thinking
[06:52] <knome> what's an "upgrade" icon?
[06:52] <knome> ;)
[06:53] <knome> i can add that if you point me to one
[06:53] <ochosi> what about: file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/devices/48/gnome-dev-memory.svg
[06:53] <ochosi> the hdd is in the same folder
[06:53] <knome> ugh
[06:53] <knome> that's kind of oldschool
[06:53] <ochosi> either this: file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/48/system-software-update.svg
[06:54] <knome> that's rather fugly :D
[06:54] <ochosi> or this: file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/48/gnome-session-reboot.svg
[06:54] <ochosi> oh well, you're a picky one
[06:54] <ochosi> :)
[06:54] <knome> heh
[06:54] <ochosi> i don't have any more time now
[06:54] <knome> i don't think we generally should mix meanings
[06:54] <ochosi> take it or leave it
[06:54] <knome> k :P
[06:54] <ochosi> :)
[06:54] <knome> hf
[06:54] <ochosi> yeah, i agree with that
[06:54] <ochosi> thanks, you too
[06:54] <knome> will try to
[06:55] <knome> what about system-upgrade?
[06:55] <knome> in the same folder...
[06:55] <knome> upgrade == upgrade, update != upgrade ;)
[07:03] <knome> ochosi, i know you're not there, just saying: i think we should condense the memory section to one paragraph (it's stupid to say xubuntu can run with 256 or even 192 because we don't really recommend that), then lose the subheaders "mem" and "hd" and add icons next to the paragraphs
[11:08] <ochosi> knome: sounds sane, and yes, the upgrade icon looks good
[11:08] <ochosi> knome: sorry, i unintentionally linked you to the wrong one in the first place
[11:58] <knome> ochosi, np
[14:16] <ochosi> knome: what about using an icon for mirrors as well?
[14:16] <ochosi> knome: e.g. either file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/categories/48/applications-geography.svg
[14:16] <ochosi> knome: or: file:///usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/categories/48/applications-internet.svg
[14:35] <ochosi> hmm, just tested geary, seems like that still has quite a long way to go
[15:34] <knome> ochosi, i was thinking just a "cd" icon...
[15:34] <ochosi> hm, in that case maybe the iso-mimetype icon
[15:35] <ochosi> more consistent with the torrent-icon
[15:35] <ochosi> (if you want those two to be alike)
[15:39] <knome> mmh, shouldn't they be, don't you think?
[15:39] <knome> otoh, i think we should leave the mirrors with no icon
[15:39] <knome> to try to give more attention for the torrent downloads
[15:39] <knome> afaik they are backed up by canonical servers even if there was no other seedes
[15:39] <knome> +r
[15:39] <knome> i'm not 100% sure, but i think so
[15:41] <ochosi> mhm
[16:20] <pleia2> ack, the flavors plenary is on the schedule for today
[16:20] <pleia2> today is not thursday D:
[16:23] <ochosi> oh, that could be interesting
[16:23] <ochosi> pleia2: do you know who of the other flavors will attend?
[16:25] <pleia2> pretty sure it's: Jonathan Carter, Jonathan Riddell, Julien Lavergne, Mario Limonciello and Scott Lavender
[16:25] <pleia2> edubuntu, kubuntu, lubuntu, mythbuntu, studio
[16:25] <ochosi> mhm, sounds good
[16:25] <pleia2> I didn't practice :)
[16:25] <ochosi> if you don't know what to talk to them about, you could say we could join forces to make unity-greeter less gnome-dependant
[16:26] <ochosi> or otherwise: make a new greeter that is desktop-independant but less ugly than the gtk-greeter we currently use
[16:26] <ochosi> :}
[16:26] <pleia2> we made slides
[16:27] <ochosi> oh cool!
[16:27] <ochosi> what's it gonna be aboutß
[16:29] <pleia2> http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/slides/xubuntu-q-plenary.pdf
[16:31] <ochosi> nice and concise
[16:32] <pleia2> knome made it :)
[18:25] <pleia2> actually, Darkwing is going to do the Kubuntu one, he found me in the hallway and we did an "omg it's today!" :)
[18:27] <Unit193> You'll announce here right before?
[18:30] <baizon> have you guys decided on the xfce 4.10 -> xubuntu 12.04.1?
[18:30] <Unit193> He didn't like that idea.
[18:32] <baizon> ok
[18:33] <pleia2> baizon: it's a goal on our roadmap: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Goals/Quantal
[18:33] <baizon> hmm
[18:33] <pleia2> Unit193: I'll try, will be busy getting prepped :)
[18:34] <baizon> where?
[18:34] <baizon> i see 4.10 -> xubuntu 12.10
[18:34] <baizon> but not 4.10 -> xubuntu 12.04.1
[18:34] <pleia2> oh, sorry
[18:34] <pleia2> no, we won't be going to 4.10 in 12.04.1
[18:34] <baizon> ok
[18:34] <Unit193> Cool, thankie.
[18:35] <pleia2> very major version changes like that don't happen after release
[18:35] <pleia2> just bug and security fixes :)
[18:35] <baizon> ok
[18:35] <pleia2> (there are a few exceptions, like firefox, but it's not at all common)
[18:36] <baizon> and what about launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10 ?
[18:36] <pleia2> Unit193: it's in 3 hours, plan accordingly :)
[18:37] <baizon> when we can expect to see them there?
[18:37] <pleia2> I don't know
[18:37] <baizon> ok
[18:37] <mips1911> baizon, if you want 4.10 there is always mr+pouit's ppa but there is no official support for it. works fine though
[18:37] <baizon> mips1911: i know )
[18:37] <baizon> im not in hurry so i can wait :)
[18:37] <Unit193> I should check "where"
[18:38] <mips1911> mr+pouit's ppa will be moved over to the official one you just mentioned as far as I'm aware
[18:38] <mips1911> I must say I really love xfce
[18:40] <baizon> indeed
[18:41] <mips1911> just wondering how long it will be before it goes the way of gnome3/unity/kde4, hopefull it sticks to it's roots
[18:41] <baizon> i think it will
[18:41] <baizon> mostly
[18:42] <mips1911> my 7yr old celeron lapto is about to get the lubuntu 12.04 treatment, I might try xfce on it but I reckon the old girl is just to tired.
[19:00] <cc_INC> Give the old girl a few extra RAM's :) in case she still has room for some.
[19:03] <mips1911> She has 1.25GB of RAM and I've overclocked her little celeron motor from 1.4Ghz to 1.87Ghz with asimple pin mod. She is still in immaculate condition as she I never let her out of the house and she was confined to my desk for tasks like downloads at night. She's a nice girl :)
[19:06] <pleia2> I'm at UDS with my 1.6ghz netbook w/ 1G of ram ;)
[19:06] <pleia2> it's super!
[19:06] <cc_INC> :) Sounds like a keeper dude.
[19:06] <pleia2> doesn't play flash well though
[19:06] <cc_INC> Same as my trusty T60. It never leaves my side :)
[19:06] <mips1911> cc_INC, yeah she's a real gem
[19:07] <cc_INC> Does overclocking makes that much of a difference?!
[19:07] <pleia2> this all might be better over in #xubuntu-offtopic
[19:07] <cc_INC> I have read some stuff about it and haven't really given it much thought, but now that you mention it.
[19:07] <mips1911> pleia2, mine actually plays flash ok. even 720p video is ok, 1080i croaks though
[19:07] <cc_INC> Oops... terribly sorry pleia2 you are so right!
[19:08] <cc_INC> Sincerest apologies.
[19:09] <mips1911> cc_INC,  I got a 30% boost in performance. When I did the mod I also replaced the thermal paste with arctic silver 5 and it runs cooler afterwards than it did at stock :D  let me find that link of mine
[19:09] <pleia2> mips1911: can you join #xubuntu-offtopic and take the discussion there?
[19:09] <mips1911> sorry, will do
[19:09] <pleia2> thanks :)
[21:24] <knome> i don't understand anything about this, but: http://igulkan.blogspot.com/2012/05/xubuntu-1204-hassas-pangolinde-konuk.html?spref=tw
[21:25] <pleia2> plenary happening in 7 minutes or so
[21:26]  * pleia2 preps
[21:29] <knome> hehe
[21:29] <knome> what space?
[21:30] <knome> "hall east" ??
[21:30] <Unit193> I had to guess #ubuntu-uds 
[21:35] <knome> WOO!
[21:35] <knome> went well ;)
[21:35] <knome> nice joke ;)
[21:38]  * knome fixed http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20539/ubuntu-derivatives/
[21:38] <knome> somebody is not paying attention
[21:38] <knome> they wrote
[21:38] <knome> "xubuntu is outdated"
[21:38] <knome> fsst
[21:43] <knome> awwwh, no stgraber
[21:43] <knome> ;)
[21:44] <Unit193> Using VLC is far better than the crazy flash interface.
[21:44] <knome> whatever.
[21:44] <knome> i only wanted to stare at pleia2 anyway.
[21:45] <Unit193> Yeah, and hear her.
[21:46] <knome> mmmm
[21:46] <knome> the soft voice
[21:46] <pleia2> knome: thanks :)
[21:46] <knome> awwh.
[21:47] <Unit193> :)
[21:47] <knome> i had hoped i made you uncomfortable
[21:47] <pleia2> lol
[21:47] <knome> you know what somewhat sucks in wordpress?
[21:48] <knome> the files are uploaded to year/month even with pages
[21:48] <pleia2> yeah :\
[21:49] <knome> that's a minor annoyance
[21:49] <knome> i'm sure one could write a plugin to *not* do that