[00:06] <_nonlocal> Hello. I have what may be a stupid question. I have bought a new computer with an hdmi out which I am presently running through, connected to my TV. The image is smaller than teh available screen space. It is slight but it bothers me. My windows OS (or even my xbox) have a slider in the settings to adjust the image size to fit the borders of the screen. I cannot find this in ubuntu, and googling has so far failed me.Or more likely I have failed it... neverth [00:07] <_nonlocal> I should note I am actually running the vanilla ubuntu interface right now. new hardware seemed like a good time to finally check out unity [00:07] Try here: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=148662 [00:08] <_nonlocal> ah yes, overscan/underscan, the jargon I couldn't quite call to mind. Thanks. [00:17] <_nonlocal> Oh hello xorg.conf, we meet again... }8[ [00:22] what are you outputting to the HDMI display? [00:22] is this for media, or something else? [00:23] (if you're watching videos and whatnot on your TV, it may be simpler to use XBMC which has overscan adjustment) [00:26] <_nonlocal> babble, I am outputting everything [00:26] <_nonlocal> I dont ghave a regular monitor right now\ [00:26] if you're using it as a regular display, then a custom xorg modeline is your best bet [00:26] <_nonlocal> thanks. Its funny I just installed xbmc to check if it had an adjustment. [00:27] <_nonlocal> (I am also getting used to this stupid frenglish kbd. Please excuse frequent typos.) [00:28] there's a MythTV wiki that may also help [00:28] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Overscan [00:29] if you have an nvidia card, you may try the nvidia-settings utility [00:29] <_nonlocal> ati. [00:29] <_nonlocal> ati config has an overscan toggle [00:29] <_nonlocal> but it is just off or on [00:30] if you're using fglrx drivers, it looks like you can specify a specific amount from the commandline: [00:30] http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?14806-fglrx-overscan [00:30] pasting from that thread... [00:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/974774/ [00:32] try a dpkg-reconfigure with the monitor hooked up and then run aticonfig --initial [00:33] Xorg will try to be smart and autodetect your monitor for you on a dpkg-reconfigure [00:33] <_nonlocal> thanks. I notice once I installed fglrx drivers... it stopped detecting my tv as tv [00:33] <_nonlocal> and started calling it 'laptop' [00:33] jockey-gtk maybe do this work [00:34] <_nonlocal> aticonfig --tvinfo reports the tv is not connected, which I assure you it is :) [00:34] <_nonlocal> although perhaps it is looking for two displays [00:34] try a dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg [00:34] and then aticonfig --initial [00:34] the fglrx driver may have just guessed wrong [00:35] probably not - it's probably just guessing from the resolution reported by the TV over HDMI and guessing it's a widescreen laptop display in the absence of a better guess. [00:37] see also the manpage for aticonfig: [00:37] http://man.cx/aticonfig(1) [00:38] looks like you can force resolutions: [00:38] aticonfig −−resolution=1600x1200,1280x1024,1024x768 [00:38] <_nonlocal> whoops, how do I reload the display settings? ctrl-alt-backspace no longer works?\ [00:41] the safest way I know of is to drop to a console and restart lightdm [00:41] ctrl-alt-f1, and log in [00:41] then sudo service lightdm restart [00:47] ...and there's this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11914927 [00:48] xrandr --output --set underscan on (or off, depending) [00:49] "Could try a overscan correction with xrandr" [00:49] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1849599&highlight=intel+overscan+xrandr&page=2 [00:49] <_nonlocal> Yes, reading [00:49] <_nonlocal> This seems to be similar to the custom modeline [00:50] it's all ways of dancing around the same basic issue, yeah. [00:50] xorg autodetection in this case is making a bad assumption, so you can fiddle to force it to do otherwise. [00:51] <_nonlocal> xrander won't let me go any bigger than 1920 so I will still have bars on two edges [00:51] um. [00:51] 1920x1080 is 1080p [00:52] unless you're saying you have a 4k display, you don't need bigger than 1920x1080 [00:52] <_nonlocal> It's annoying because connected by VGA I have a pixel-by-pixel option but hdmi I do not [00:52] you said it was on HDMI [00:52] <_nonlocal> that's just it, I'm connected at 1080p [00:52] <_nonlocal> but still seeing borders [00:52] 1080p is 1920x1080 [00:52] then you're not outputting 1080p [00:52] <_nonlocal> Yes. [00:52] you don't need larger than 1920 horizontal pixels [00:53] <_nonlocal> I am at 1920x1080p. The TV is messing with it I think [00:53] if you're using a vga port and not an hdmi port, you're not likely to ever get 1080p [00:53] <_nonlocal> not vga [00:53] <_nonlocal> hdmi. I have connected to the tv with vga in the past though [00:54] you're not really listening to what I'm saying [00:54] if you think you need larger than 1920 horizontal, you don't [00:54] unless you have a 4k display (which you very likely do not) [00:54] <_nonlocal> no you're right [00:55] if you're seeing pillarbox bars, your computer is not OUTPUTTING 1920x1080 regardless of whatever the television's native resolution is [00:55] <_nonlocal> It is. I believe the TV is the problem. [00:55] <_nonlocal> in windows I had to adjust down to fit the desktop on the screen [00:55] <_nonlocal> underscan? [00:56] <_nonlocal> likewise ubuntu was off the edge when I first installed [00:56] <_nonlocal> after installing fglrx I am boxed [00:56] see if you can force the television to do 720p and set a resolution modeline for 1280x720 [00:56] <_nonlocal> which is better than missing half the dock [00:56] <_nonlocal> but not ideal === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [01:10] hi, people [01:11] I am a rookie and I don't know how to hide folders or files in Xubuntu. Would ya help please? [01:11] Put a dot (.) in front of the name. [01:12] thanks [01:13] is Windows gonna recognize that as Hidden? [01:18] unit193: ? [01:18] Nope, not normally. [01:19] thanks, pal [01:19] bye === zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan [02:51] Hi, I was playing with my panel and remove the mail, volume bar icon bar by clicking on removing something called notification plugin I think, it did say if I choose to removie then it's permanently lost, anyway to get it back? [02:51] Thanks! [02:51] yes [02:52] go to right click >panel >add element, there search plugin indicator [02:52] done [02:53] Thank you! It's now fixed. [02:57] Now it's strange how I get a extra bluetooth icon mixed in with my mail, volume and network icon, any way to get rid of it? [03:05] xubuntu149, you have now two pluging indicators [03:05] delete one [04:26] xubuntu rocks [04:27] I can customize my ass out here, and it'll still be light and work [05:30] will there be better support for multiple displays in future xubuntu releases? [05:37] heikokoko: what should be better? [05:39] in short: everything. you can't even disable mirroring in the display settings. [05:42] can someone help me with the xubuntu desktop cd under 64 bit vista? [05:43] !ask | xubuntu646 [05:43] xubuntu646: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [05:43] ok in that case... [05:43] I burnt the dvd using the instructions on the xubuntu website (infrarecorder) [05:44] after that, I tried to do a couple of things with it [05:44] first thing [05:44] I restarted my computer with the disk in there [05:44] and a xubuntu logo showed up [05:44] but then it turned into a command line [05:44] and then I tried typing some basic stuff on the command line (for lack of anything else to do) [05:44] and it is said panic mode or something [05:44] and then it froze [05:44] second thing I tried [05:44] if you set it up with arandr or similar, there still is no automatic reaction on (dis)connection monitors and so on. support for multiple displays seems almost nonexistent (or is very well hidden). don't get me wrong, this is not a "your os sucks" rant. I love xubuntu, I'm very well aware that there is a lot of voluntary work behind it. i'm not making demands. [05:44] was to reboot into vista [05:45] and then I tried double clicking on it [05:45] and then it decided to ask me what to name the CD and it formats the cd [05:45] so I'm super confused now [05:45] heikokoko: any special configuration? triple display with ATI on my workstation is no problem [05:46] putting my thinkpad in the dockigstation and automatic detection of the external display is no problem [05:46] koegs: how did you set it up? xubuntu display settings? [05:46] triple display: ati control panel [05:46] thinkpad: nothing, automagic :) [05:46] intel graphics here [05:47] same on the thinkpad [05:47] let me try with my thinkpad ... [05:48] i have to go to work, but i will read your findings later in the office [05:49] that test already failed due to lack of a vga cable :) [05:52] Changelog for util-linux says ddate was removed in 2.11z-3, returned in 2.11z-4, doesn't mention it was again dropped, but isn't in 2.20.1.util-linux [05:53] on the desktop pc i have no automation there at all. if I connect a monitor, I have to set it up manually each time(, or run the script arandr generated). [05:54] Where can I download Xubuntu? [05:55] the topic says "Xubuntu 12.04 is out! Download from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu" [05:55] The ISOs get a 403 and the torrent files (just the torrent files, not their actual contents) stop downloading halfway [05:55] If it was that easy I wouldn't be here, lol [05:55] ThePendulum, which image? [05:55] Nvm, managed to find a copy [05:56] what iso gives 403 ? [05:56] knome: http://torrent.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/desktop/ <-- Both of them, for me at least [05:56] The torrents seem to work though [05:58] well that's the idea, that's the torrent server [05:59] knome, why're they listed? [05:59] ^ [05:59] ThePendulum, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/precise/release/ [05:59] ronsonol, no idea, that's something to ask from the canonical IS. [05:59] The fact they're listed surely is a tad confusing [06:00] but it's still the torrent. server [06:01] I always do the torrent anyway. Just to irritate my ISP with *legit* torrents. :) [06:02] so after I burnt that desktop CD, vista tried to rename/reformat it instead of actually running it. Do you think I burnt it correctly? I used InfraRecorder as suggested... [06:03] xubuntu646: You can run it by booting from it [06:03] (to avoid Windows completely) [06:04] What is the expected behavior at that point? [06:04] For me it opened a command prompt, [06:04] but when I tried "ls" it said it was entering panic mode [06:04] and then computer crashed [06:04] You should see a GUI installer and be able to install Xubuntu (either overwriting Windows or installing it alongside) [06:05] hmm [06:05] I saw the xubuntu logo [06:05] and a loading bar moved for about 5 min [06:05] but then the screen turned black [06:05] and this prompt just came up [06:05] Strange... [06:05] I don't know if the disc may be faulty [06:05] I didn't know what I was supposed to type into the prompt [06:05] I tried "install" [06:05] I usually just burn the ISOs to the disc directly when on Windows [06:06] Or create a USB stick using UNetbootin [06:06] Never had issues during instalation [06:06] xubuntu646: You shouldn't see a prompt by default at all [06:06] for me this is the second disc which did this... [06:06] I'm afraid I have to leave for school now. I will be back later today. [06:06] so maybe my burner is bad? [06:06] xubuntu646: Perhaps, you could try to burn something completely different to find out [06:06] o, other things work fine [06:06] just this is giving me issues [06:07] Your burner should be fine then [06:07] I'm afraid I really have to leave now :| I hope the others here will continue to help you [06:07] Cheers [06:43] hi [06:49] hello [06:50] have anyone problems with the shortcuts keys in the 12.04 version ? [06:50] mines are ofen dead :( [06:50] did you read the release notes? [06:50] see the bottom of http://xubuntu.org/news/12-04-release/ [06:51] thanks am going to look at [06:53] well I did all that yet, but does not work :( [06:58] hipparchia: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-meta/+bug/992579 [06:58] Launchpad bug 992579 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "XFCE4: Hotkey for "Maximize Window" ignored, Application Hotkeys delayed" [Undecided,Confirmed] [06:59] I have one question this Xubuntu 12.04 is LTS version right? [06:59] REK_007, yes [07:00] ty knome [07:00] ty koegs [07:07] hipparchia: i have reported that one :) [07:07] maybe you can click "affects me" [07:08] ok ty :) [07:39] good afternoon all.. [07:39] im newbie with xubuntu.. [07:40] hi xubuntu934 [07:40] i wanna ask something about xubuntu fresh install [07:40] please do [07:41] after my installation finish and logon my screen turns black and asking me to fill username and password [07:41] then i fill it and after that i dont know what i must to do [07:42] i use xubuntu alternative [07:42] the computer does not start ? [07:42] it say tty1 [07:42] ?? [07:43] i mean it like in terminal [07:43] call startx [07:43] cannot run startx p3co [07:44] why? [07:44] it something not installed [07:44] i forget the error is [07:44] it said something not ontalled [07:44] *installed [07:45] did you install xorg? [07:45] i dont know [07:46] type 'Xorg' on terminal [07:46] the error said i use to installed innitx [07:47] when i type startx [07:50] is Xorg installed? [07:50] i dont think so [07:51] wait i'll be right back [07:51] i wanna try to install Xorg [08:00] hi [08:01] my home is encrypted. could it be he result of my Xubuntu not going on Stand By mode? === knome changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Xubuntu support | Xubuntu 12.04 is out! Download from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? See the complete support methods list at http://xubuntu.org/help | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic [08:13] how to call startx automatically as soon as machine boots? [08:13] i have installed minimal ubuntu 11.10 [08:27] sweet, thoughts? [08:45] Hello im the one before who asking about startc [08:45] Startx [08:46] I have to type Xorg and there is an fatal error message [08:46] Cannot move old log file [08:47] And before i type xorg i have installed xinit [08:48] What else i must install? [08:50] Now when i type startx it will appear a terminal [08:50] I have tried to install xubuntu 1204 on an IBM T22 (Thinkpad) with 380 MB memory. The life CD runs fine and Firefox connects to the internet and works off the life CD. --- However, when I try to install I get an unrecoverable error towards the very end. I have tried to install after running the desktop session, as well as directly after starting the CD and I have also tried to upgrade directly from my 1004 Xu [08:50] Sorry im a noob with xubuntu [08:51] both xubuntu145 and mrwbsn: what's the error? [08:52] Startx bring me to terminal [08:52] After i install xinit [08:56] What should i install then? [08:58] Xubuntu-desktop? [08:59] Or there are another packages? [09:00] mrwbsn, if you install xubuntu-desktop, it's the same as you would have installed from a normal xubuntu cd [09:01] If xfce4? [09:01] that question didn't make sense [09:01] Sorry [09:02] i'd imagine you have to install a display manager (a login screen), try installing lightdm [09:02] Im confuse with installation [09:03] Ok i try with lightdm [09:04] mrwbsn, if you are confused because you installed with mini, try using a normal xubuntu disc. [09:04] I have downloaded alternate version iso [09:04] did desktop not work? [09:05] Not yet try desktop [09:05] mrwbsn, if you are new to linux, i'd suggest you to try the desktop iso first. it's the easiest one. [09:05] Ok [09:05] mrwbsn, generally, don't do things you are not certain of [09:06] Thx knome for the advice [09:07] no problem [09:07] better to start easy - when your skill set increases, move to more advanced things [09:07] mrwbsn, now that you have installed mini, you could try installing xubuntu-desktop and see if it helps [09:08] Ok [09:10] I want try to install mini i hve [09:10] I have [09:11] Now im installing lightdm [09:11] :) [09:11] and yes, you will need a desktop environment too [09:11] (eg. xfce4) [09:20] Ok i curious about how if i install this and this etc [09:20] Heehe [09:36] mods: the xubuntu.org link in the topic can't load when it say's :http [09:37] now I have to duck duck it :) [09:37] hmm? [09:37] looks about right for me [09:38] nah, there is no space between the : and the http://xubuntu.org, so irc can't recognize the link. or xchat that is. [09:39] aquix, there is no such thing [09:39] 12:37 » Topic for #xubuntu: Xubuntu support | Xubuntu 12.04 is out! Download from http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | No one around? See the complete support methods list at http://xubuntu.org/help | Offtopic: #xubuntu-offtopic [09:39] aquix, file a bug for xchat. [09:39] The topic I get up is -> ChanServ- [#xubuntu] Welcome to #xubuntu. This channel is logged. Use of this channel implies acceptance of terms at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/TermsOfService [09:39] * #xubuntu :http://xubuntu.org [09:40] right, that's the notify [09:40] doh, right. my bad [09:47] aquix, i think that's a problem with the freenode irc server [09:50] seems like it. the two other networks I'm on don't have it. [09:51] 12:50 -!- Home page for #xubuntu: http://xubuntu.org [09:51] ^ that's what i get with irssi [09:51] so not a problem with freenode after all, but xchat [09:52] [D[D[D/ /cs info #xubuntu [09:52] fsst :) [09:55] what does run level in rc#.d mean ? [09:55] !runlevels [09:55] In Ubuntu all runlevels except 0,1 and 6 are by default equal. Also keep in mind that Ubuntu now uses !Upstart instead of System V init so there is normally no /etc/inittab. [10:01] knome: suppose i want to call a script test.sh during start up and it requires root access [10:01] so i open rc.local and add /test.sh [10:01] and then chmod +x rc.local [10:01] that will do it? [10:08] Hello === sergio is now known as Guest80761 [10:08] Hi [10:09] hello [10:09] Mm.. How to get xubuntu theme for xfce4 [10:11] mrwbsn: what do you mean by that exactly? === Guest80761 is now known as serbforce [10:14] hi again [10:14] hi [10:14] anybody around to answer a quick question? [10:14] mrwbsn: Shimmer project has it in github and maybe on their site. [10:15] Alrite i'll check that out [10:15] im using xubuntu precise and im trying to set chrome as default browser, but it wont stick [10:15] " Greybird" being the default. [10:16] serbforce: "exo-open --launch WebBrowser" [10:16] try this [10:17] yeah it starts chrome but [10:17] chrome itself asks me if i want to set it as default [10:17] serbforce: today morning I faced this same issue [10:17] Alrite greybird [10:17] after that command its running fine :D [10:18] BTW I shifted to XFCE today only so am searching for all this things :P [10:18] oh i see [10:18] its great isnt it [10:18] :p [10:18] yeah much better than filthy touch type interfaces being released lately :P [10:19] those are fine too, but xfce feels much more natural [10:19] I dont like them on my PC.. huge icons .. needing heaps of time to find apps :( [10:20] you can scale the icons down :) [10:20] dont like it for PC ..maybe for netbook/touch type device yes it will work [10:20] i didnt like the menu too ... [10:20] Just disable that message, seems like you already have that set as default. [10:20] no but listen [10:20] when i for instance click help in xubuntu menu [10:20] it doesnt know what to use [10:20] asks me to set a browser [10:21] serbforce: exo-open --launch WebBrowser [10:21] sudo exo-open --launch WebBrowser [10:21] exo-open --launch WebBrowser [10:21] this is the exact chain of events [10:21] and after which its working good [10:21] sudo one didnt work though [10:21] :P [10:21] yeah cant be run as a root [10:22] was worth a shot as nothing was working [10:22] looks like they dont want us to use chrome :p [10:23] maybe :P but i am so used to chrome now [10:23] mrwbsn: try this "ln -s /usr/share/themes/Greybird/gtk-3.0 ~/.config/" [10:24] ok solution didnt work, ill try googling a bit more [10:24] thanks anyways! [10:25] Alrite i'll try.. Thx REK_007 [10:25] serbforce: sorry mate that did the work for me..i was also initially irritated with it [10:29] what was the comm,and to set up default keyring password [10:29] to stop it asking for keyring password every ssh [10:30] #ssh-add [10:30] i would also like to know this [10:30] its ssh-add [10:30] as soon as I asked I remembered [10:30] thanks :) [10:30] always happens that [10:30] lol then as more :P [11:29] how to use rc.local to run start up scripts? [13:07] I have a question for all the peoples out there! [13:08] * hyperreal is away: I'm busy [13:09] I have a laptop and I tried to put xubuntu on it (using a disk and usb), but for some reason it just kept showing the loading bar on the xubuntu startup. Anyone know what happened? [14:08] it seems that hotkey's for volume control loose sync with the actual volumecontrol itself? [14:09] i see the notification changing the volume, but the volume itself does not change? it works at first but then at some point it crashed quietly... [14:09] when i do it with the mouse, by clicking on the volume icon and change the slide, then it works. [14:58] grr... [14:58] volume control crashed yet again... [15:41] how do I get rid of the regular ubuntu login screen? [15:41] I put xubuntu-desktop on afterthe fact [15:42] craigbass1976: theres not really any reason to [15:43] craigbass1976: http://www.webupd8.org/2011/07/how-to-switch-between-gdm-lightdm-or.html [15:43] holstein, just principle. Unity has so driven me nuts that I want it and anything purple gone. :) [15:44] holstein: that might be misleading, you haven't asked whether he uses gdm [15:44] holstein: ubuntu itself also uses lightdm [15:44] ochosi: link what you like.. that link teaches me to choose a different one [15:46] craigbass1976: it could be sufficient to edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and replace "unity-greeter" with "lightdm-gtk-greeter" [15:46] Ah. And what's the widget-ish thing down bottom that pops up when I hover the mouse down there long enough? [15:47] craigbass1976: a launcher panel. quick access to a few commonly used apps. you can edit/remove it like any other panel [15:55] hi [15:55] my machine is loud and hot Xubuntu 12.04 === odo is now known as Guest54736 [15:56] the hot machine: Samsung P series [15:56] All I can think of is girlfriend jokes... [15:57] Guest54736: you could try different graphics drivers... i usually try live CD's til something "works" or seems more appropriate, then i make a note of the kernel version and whats going on with the graphics [15:58] trying to find easiest way/description of getting remote desktop up and running for xubiuntu 10.04 -- was easier with standard ubuntu [15:58] just need poiinter (anyone) [15:58] ok sounds good, how can i get information about my grafic card and how can i find a better driver? [15:59] Guest54736: i usually do that by searching... but trying live CD's is just easy and non-technical [15:59] rhin0: i used the default one.. vino and/or vinagre [15:59] ok - was ussing vinagre on ubuntu [15:59] will google it [16:00] rhin0: make sure you have vino installed and launch "vino-preferences".. should work just like it does in main ubuntu [16:00] vino on the server? [16:00] I know vinagre was client [16:00] holstein: so live cds of other distros? [16:00] ta [16:01] Guest54736, you can install inxi, then in terminal inxi -F [16:01] nice little program for sysinfo [16:01] Guest54736: i typically just throw ones in til something works more appropriately.. searching around in the forums for someone with that hardware can help, but really a kernel revision can change everything [16:03] yes i read once that in linux generic 3.3 is simulating a microsoft windows startup and so working better with bios bugs, the windows i have installed is silent and cool [16:03] how can i install the 3.3 kernel backend?# [16:05] Guest54736: you can always look for a live CD that has the kernel you are looking for to see if that is actually going to be helpfu [16:06] Guest54736: could be the graphics driver would really make the difference.. i have a via chip that just gets hot, and theres nothing to do about it really [16:06] Guest54736: wont do any good comparing the windows drivers with the linux drivers [16:06] a live cd of xubuntu? sorry i dont understand ur workaround... [16:07] Guest54736: its not a workaround.. its a troubleshooting step [16:07] :) [16:08] Guest54736: you are proposing that the 3.3 kernel will help.. im proposing finding *any* live CD that has that kernel [16:08] ah ok [16:08] you pop it it.. boot.. test... you dont effect the machine at all.. and you get to see if it *actually* helps or not [16:08] in my case, its the grahpics driver... the machine gets hot just as you are experiencing.. this is a VIA graphics chip and will never be properly supported [16:09] ok live cd's sound good [16:09] i will give that a try [16:09] Guest54736: is that you issue?... i dont know.. you can use that tool aquix suggested to get more information about the harware... you could open a terminal and run lspci [16:10] hi [16:15] lspci says 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) [16:15] can i trust inxi? [16:15] yup :) [16:15] how to find the installed graphic driver and where to find more? [16:17] in terminal: inxi -h to see all the options inxi -G for graphic card info [16:18] when I mount the Win-partition to the Xubuntu-partition, can I find these pics etc at Win too or are they now only on Xubuntu? [16:19] if you can access files on the linux partition from windows? [16:20] at the moment I can´t find anything from the win-p. at Linux [16:21] but I want to see and edit all the files at Win & Ubuntu [16:21] but don´t want to have them two times at the hard drive [16:21] *twice :) [16:22] the partitions get's mounted each time you boot the machine. it's easy to mount windows partitions in linux. but you have to use a program in windows to access a linux partition. ( windows don't play well with others) [16:23] ok, so I have the Files at the OS I´m using at the moment [16:23] ah ok so the drivers are in the kernel? when i upgrade the kernel i get other drivers? [16:23] hm? [16:24] ah ok ^^ [16:24] other prob :d [16:24] Phips-, what are you using now? [16:24] as standard Win [16:24]