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| jbicha | howdy! | 00:32 |
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| mpt | I'd rather present opt-in for early (unphased?) updates together with the opt-in for other software channels | 16:19 |
| mpt | That I'm happy to submit usage data doesn't mean I want to be on the bleeding edge | 16:19 |
| mpt | It may be true that fewer people go into those channel settings, but that doesn't matter anyway, right? | 16:23 |
| mpt | We don't want huge numbers of people choosing unphased updates | 16:23 |
| cjwatson | mpt: I agree that we wouldn't want lots of people choosing unphased updates; I was thinking more of encouraging people to opt into phased updates | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | i.e. opt into seeing bugs earlier for us | 16:29 |
| j-johan-edwards | (ignorant) does apt have reasonable rollback capabilities? If not, doesn't this sort of thing need to wait until Btrfs or some other snapshotting/restore functionality lands? | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | j-johan-edwards: we were discussing that earlier; in practice, it will be OK for most post-release cases | 16:29 |
| mpt | cjwatson, why would it not be on by default? | 16:29 |
| j-johan-edwards | ah | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | j-johan-edwards: it goes wrong in cases where people write maintainer scripts incautiously, but that tends to be for major changes the like of which we don't usually have post-release | 16:30 |
| mpt | (Maybe you covered this earlier in the session, sorry if so) | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | mpt: good question; perhaps I have an unwarranted assumption | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | I suppose it depends whether you think of the starting point as 0% (in which case we're asking people to see more bugs than they might otherwise) or 100% (in which case we're allowing people to have a lower probability of encountering bugs) | 16:31 |
| mpt | Maybe I'm contradicting myself too -- if it's on by default, then people aren't choosing to be on the bleeding edge as I mentioned above, they might be there already | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | The current state is 100%, everyone unphased | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | But we were talking about using this to phase -proposed | 16:32 |
| mpt | I see | 16:32 |
| cjwatson | Which would imply giving people updates earlier than currently, so that feels like something they might need to opt into? | 16:32 |
| mpt | fair enough | 16:33 |
| cjwatson | We could alternatively phase -updates; we'd been talking about doing that in a later stage of work (but not set in stone ...) | 16:33 |
| mpt | What proportion of machines are opted in to -proposed right now? | 16:34 |
| mpt | If it's only ~1%, then phasing that won't make much difference | 16:34 |
| j-johan-edwards | mpt: actually, a true random sample of 1% of Ubuntu users would absolutely be good enough for canarying | 16:36 |
| j-johan-edwards | for the same reason political polls don't have to poll more than 1% of the country to get an accurate result | 16:36 |
| j-johan-edwards | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size | 16:36 |
| mpt | j-johan-edwards, sure, but my point is that if you already have only ~1% opted in to proposed, phasing that won't dramatically reduce the proportion of people who get exposed to bad updates. | 16:37 |
| mpt | Whereas if you have ~95% opted in (because it's on by default), phasing that *will* dramatically reduce the proportion of people who get exposed to bad updates. | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | I was hoping that we could expose this to more than the set of people currently opted into -proposed | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure I'm opposed to on-by-default | 16:38 |
| j-johan-edwards | But ostensibly, people opting in to -proposed would be more able to handle difficulties / be more passionate about Ubuntu | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | We could do the phasing only at the point when we would ordinarily have pushed to -updates | 16:39 |
| cjwatson | Rather than at the point when we have no idea whether it fixes the bug | 16:39 |
| mpt | So you'd effectively be phasing -updates rather than -proposed? | 16:41 |
| * mpt realizes that he doesn't know how to present this option anyway, wherever it goes | 16:43 | |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure :-) | 16:43 |
| mpt | "Show non-urgent software updates: (*) Immediately ( ) Eventually" | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | At the moment I'm more interested in making the phasing work at all | 16:43 |
| jbicha | lol :) | 16:43 |
| cjwatson | I agree the UI design needs to know this; the archive-side technology is pretty much the same whether it's -proposed or -updates | 16:44 |
| mpt | I wonder how well the up-to-a-week wait, for Update Manager to show non-security updates, effectively phases them already | 16:45 |
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| mpt | The up-to-a-week wait isn't for phasing purposes, it's to save Update Manager from interrupting people every day for non-urgent things. | 16:51 |
| mpt | So I'd really rather not get rid of it. | 16:51 |
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| mpt | thanks everyone | 16:57 |
| Riddell | hi? | 17:07 |
| txwikinger | hi Riddell | 17:09 |
| txwikinger | I need to find the ice stream .. one moment | 17:09 |
| txwikinger | ok.. I am listening now | 17:15 |
| Riddell | txwikinger: there's only two of us here! | 17:16 |
| txwikinger | Is wayland already good enough to go? | 17:16 |
| txwikinger | So it is only for development now as a package? | 17:18 |
| * txwikinger has a google drive | 17:28 | |
| txwikinger | English | 17:29 |
| txwikinger | I have used language packs before, so I can certainly test when needed | 17:31 |
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| shadeslayer | hah | 17:49 |
| txwikinger | foreign languages? When do you start to talk Gaellic to us Riddel? | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer | Steve Jobs is back from the undead? | 17:49 |
| shadeslayer | :D | 17:49 |
| txwikinger | He is a deamon | 17:49 |
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| txwikinger | GUI? for juju charm? | 17:53 |
| txwikinger | interesting | 17:53 |
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| txwikinger | Next room 204? | 17:56 |
| shadeslayer | txwikinger: which room is that? | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | argh | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | hey! | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | don't do that :P | 17:58 |
| shadeslayer | ... | 17:58 |
| txwikinger | what? | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | txwikinger: room 204 | 17:59 |
| txwikinger | kubuntu iso | 17:59 |
| txwikinger | images | 17:59 |
| shadeslayer | right, which room is that? | 17:59 |
| txwikinger | room 204 | 18:00 |
| shadeslayer | nvm | 18:00 |
| jbicha | good morning | 18:00 |
| jbicha | hi, about the Quantal release schedule... | 18:03 |
| jbicha | I think the Docs Freeze is too late, it leaves only a few days for translations | 18:03 |
| jbicha | o/ | 18:05 |
| jbicha | and we already have usable nightly quantal images apparently | 18:16 |
| jbicha | lol | 18:19 |
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| jbicha | bye, see y'all a bit later | 18:30 |
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| manjo | who is publishing performance spec etc from the various configurations of hw ? ie power consumption etc ? | 19:15 |
| manjo | s/spec/data / | 19:15 |
| manjo | does the ocp spec talk of TPM SRTM/DRTM secure boot etc ... for security ? I don't think I see that on the website. or it is just a purely HW spec ? | 19:49 |
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| cielak | \o/ | 21:47 |
| s-fox | wb cielak :) | 21:48 |
| cielak | :-) | 21:49 |
| s-fox | Is the stream on the same link as yesterday? | 21:49 |
| cielak | yup | 21:49 |
| cielak | the same | 21:49 |
| cielak | though silence now | 21:49 |
| s-fox | I hear someone tapping away at a keyboard ;) | 21:50 |
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| s-fox | cielak, new topic :D | 21:52 |
| cielak | :) | 21:52 |
| s-fox | Hey tv | 21:52 |
| s-fox | Sure, no worries | 21:52 |
| bobweaver | there is like this crazy buzz coming in maybe feedback ? | 21:53 |
| bobweaver | lol it is driving my dog nuts :) | 21:53 |
| cielak | :-) | 22:00 |
| s-fox | :-) | 22:00 |
| cielak | sure! | 22:00 |
| Pendulum | it's on | 22:00 |
| s-fox | no, we can't hear you ;) | 22:00 |
| Pendulum | (I'm listening in as I needed to lie down) | 22:00 |
| cielak | no problem ;) | 22:05 |
| sagaci | :) | 22:06 |
| dylan-m_ | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments | 22:06 |
| JoseeAntonioR | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guidelines is the link we're actually seeing. | 22:07 |
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| cielak | hehe :) no problem, you're doing well ;) | 22:09 |
| s-fox | cielak, is awesome | 22:09 |
| cielak | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies | 22:10 |
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| cielak | I guess this is that one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/trunk/view/head:/accomplishments/ubuntu-community/en/community-council-member.accomplishment | 22:13 |
| s-fox | We added 1 new one today actually jono :) | 22:15 |
| cielak | yeah, been working on Ubuntu Forums trophy icon ;) | 22:15 |
| cielak | the script for CC Member is available here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/trunk/view/head:/scripts/ubuntu-community/community-council-member.py | 22:20 |
| s-fox | Installing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing | 22:25 |
| cielak | the release PPA ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments/release | 22:25 |
| bobweaver | sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments-admins/ <~~ which one | 22:25 |
| cielak | daily PPA ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments-admins/daily | 22:25 |
| bobweaver | Making a back button would be nice | 22:26 |
| bobweaver | by "my trophies" | 22:27 |
| cielak | bobweaver: but going 'back' always leads to the same location, so a 'back' button would do exactly the same as clicking 'my trophies', right? | 22:27 |
| bobweaver | cielak, I will talk to later about this. :) | 22:28 |
| cielak | sure :) | 22:28 |
| s-fox | jono you have 4 or 5 from me that need merging into the trunk :-) | 22:29 |
| cielak | indeed ;) | 22:29 |
| bobweaver | I am | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | did somebody say juju charms? ;) | 22:31 |
| s-fox | Hi SpamapS :) | 22:31 |
| nxvl | Jono: is there any guidelines for that? | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | heh sorry, wrong room/audio feed. Submit your juju charms.. | 22:31 |
| nxvl | as in documentation for creating such packages/ppas? | 22:32 |
| cielak | nxvl: are you looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guidelines ? | 22:32 |
| nxvl | cielak: nope i mean technical | 22:32 |
| bobweaver | I ould like too help on the UI side of things :) | 22:32 |
| bobweaver | would * | 22:32 |
| cielak | nxvl: what exactly you mean? | 22:33 |
| cielak | bobweaver: great, there is a lot of work that has to be done to the accomplishments viewer (which is the GUI part), so you'll surely find something for yourself! | 22:33 |
| nxvl | cielak: i mean the example jono just give, "what if IT LoCo wants" and he answered "Do you own" is there a document that answers "How to do my own" | 22:33 |
| cielak | nxvl: yes! we have a detailed tutorial on that! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guide | 22:34 |
| bobweaver | cielak, I will push some stuff in the next couple of days I am swamped with zpanel atm | 22:34 |
| cielak | +1 for 'accomplishments needed' | 22:34 |
| bobweaver | Ubuntu Hour | 22:35 |
| bobweaver | for loco team ^^ | 22:35 |
| cielak | bobweaver: cool - any contributions are always welcome :) | 22:35 |
| bobweaver | what about getting stores to carry ubuntu live cds or docs ? | 22:36 |
| bobweaver | maybe tie that into lp ^^ | 22:36 |
| bobweaver | talk too system 76 to get a sticker thing going like for the super key ? | 22:37 |
| philipballew | seems like a interesting idea bobweaver | 22:37 |
| bobweaver | make accomplishment for that | 22:37 |
| bobweaver | went to UDS | 22:37 |
| cielak | yeah, becoming a CC member is easy - just register on LP and become an Ubuntu Member - much easier then using Bazaar, right, s-fox? :-D | 22:40 |
| s-fox | Totally cielak | 22:45 |
| s-fox | It was also easier to get on the forums council ;) | 22:45 |
| s-fox | You know one of 7 seats on a forum of 1.6 million members. lol | 22:45 |
| cielak | hehe :-) | 22:46 |
| cielak | is there really... 1,6 million members? did not know, WOW, this is awesome! | 22:46 |
| s-fox | cielak, we average around 1K new members registering PER day | 22:48 |
| s-fox | The numbers are scary | 22:48 |
| s-fox | ;) | 22:48 |
| cielak | stared team/project on lp may result in people registering pointless teams/projects... | 22:48 |
| jtatum | wow | 22:48 |
| cielak | s-fox: oh wow, the community is so HUGE... I would never suspect that | 22:48 |
| s-fox | cielak, Yes, that is why we are really trying to push for awareness to new users in things like the default firefix bookmarks and ubuntu installer slides | 22:49 |
| s-fox | :) | 22:50 |
| cielak | there is a problem with translations | 22:51 |
| cielak | no launchpad API for them | 22:51 |
| cielak | but translation team member would be a good one to start from ;) | 22:52 |
| s-fox | i know a member of the translation team | 22:52 |
| cielak | nope jono, you did not :) | 22:54 |
| cielak | you merged it locally, but that's not in trunk yet :) | 22:54 |
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| cielak | aah, +1 :-) | 22:56 |
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| cielak | yeah, thanks everyone! :) | 22:57 |
| s-fox | Thanks everyone :) | 22:57 |
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| wookey_ | infinity is going to connect | 23:28 |
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| cmagina | one important thing i see with these automated tests is looking for regressions from release to release | 23:43 |
| cmagina | :) | 23:54 |
| cmagina | robie already mentioned it | 23:54 |
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