[00:00] uds-gb-g: This session has ended. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Track: Desktop | Port indicators to GMenu | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20795/desktop-q-indicator-gmenu-port/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-g.ogg.m3u [00:31] but desrt, it's only Tuesday! [00:32] howdy! [00:54] uds-gb-g: 5 minutes left in this session! [00:55] uds-gb-g: 4 minutes left in this session! [00:56] uds-gb-g: 3 minutes left in this session! [00:57] uds-gb-g: 2 minutes left in this session! [00:58] uds-gb-g: 1 minute left in this session! [00:59] uds-gb-g: This session has ended. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/grand-ballroom-g/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g.log [01:02] :) === tsimpson_ is now known as tsimpson === PreciseOne is now known as IdleOne === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Track: Foundations | Phased updates of software packages | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20496/foundations-q-phased-updates/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-g.ogg.m3u === fenris is now known as Guest8617 === Guest8617 is now known as ejat [16:19] I'd rather present opt-in for early (unphased?) updates together with the opt-in for other software channels [16:19] That I'm happy to submit usage data doesn't mean I want to be on the bleeding edge [16:23] It may be true that fewer people go into those channel settings, but that doesn't matter anyway, right? [16:23] We don't want huge numbers of people choosing unphased updates [16:29] mpt: I agree that we wouldn't want lots of people choosing unphased updates; I was thinking more of encouraging people to opt into phased updates [16:29] i.e. opt into seeing bugs earlier for us [16:29] (ignorant) does apt have reasonable rollback capabilities? If not, doesn't this sort of thing need to wait until Btrfs or some other snapshotting/restore functionality lands? [16:29] j-johan-edwards: we were discussing that earlier; in practice, it will be OK for most post-release cases [16:29] cjwatson, why would it not be on by default? [16:29] ah [16:30] j-johan-edwards: it goes wrong in cases where people write maintainer scripts incautiously, but that tends to be for major changes the like of which we don't usually have post-release [16:30] (Maybe you covered this earlier in the session, sorry if so) [16:31] mpt: good question; perhaps I have an unwarranted assumption [16:31] I suppose it depends whether you think of the starting point as 0% (in which case we're asking people to see more bugs than they might otherwise) or 100% (in which case we're allowing people to have a lower probability of encountering bugs) [16:32] Maybe I'm contradicting myself too -- if it's on by default, then people aren't choosing to be on the bleeding edge as I mentioned above, they might be there already [16:32] The current state is 100%, everyone unphased [16:32] But we were talking about using this to phase -proposed [16:32] I see [16:32] Which would imply giving people updates earlier than currently, so that feels like something they might need to opt into? [16:33] fair enough [16:33] We could alternatively phase -updates; we'd been talking about doing that in a later stage of work (but not set in stone ...) [16:34] What proportion of machines are opted in to -proposed right now? [16:34] If it's only ~1%, then phasing that won't make much difference [16:36] mpt: actually, a true random sample of 1% of Ubuntu users would absolutely be good enough for canarying [16:36] for the same reason political polls don't have to poll more than 1% of the country to get an accurate result [16:36] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sample_size [16:37] j-johan-edwards, sure, but my point is that if you already have only ~1% opted in to proposed, phasing that won't dramatically reduce the proportion of people who get exposed to bad updates. [16:38] Whereas if you have ~95% opted in (because it's on by default), phasing that *will* dramatically reduce the proportion of people who get exposed to bad updates. [16:38] I was hoping that we could expose this to more than the set of people currently opted into -proposed [16:38] I'm not sure I'm opposed to on-by-default [16:39] But ostensibly, people opting in to -proposed would be more able to handle difficulties / be more passionate about Ubuntu [16:39] We could do the phasing only at the point when we would ordinarily have pushed to -updates [16:39] Rather than at the point when we have no idea whether it fixes the bug [16:41] So you'd effectively be phasing -updates rather than -proposed? [16:43] * mpt realizes that he doesn't know how to present this option anyway, wherever it goes [16:43] I'm not sure :-) [16:43] "Show non-urgent software updates: (*) Immediately ( ) Eventually" [16:43] At the moment I'm more interested in making the phasing work at all [16:43] lol :) [16:44] I agree the UI design needs to know this; the archive-side technology is pretty much the same whether it's -proposed or -updates [16:45] I wonder how well the up-to-a-week wait, for Update Manager to show non-security updates, effectively phases them already [16:49] uds-gb-g: 5 minutes left in this session! [16:50] uds-gb-g: 4 minutes left in this session! [16:51] The up-to-a-week wait isn't for phasing purposes, it's to save Update Manager from interrupting people every day for non-urgent things. [16:51] So I'd really rather not get rid of it. [16:51] uds-gb-g: 3 minutes left in this session! [16:52] uds-gb-g: 2 minutes left in this session! [16:53] uds-gb-g: 1 minute left in this session! [16:54] uds-gb-g: This session has ended. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Track: Desktop | Kubuntu Quantal Packaging | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20597/kubuntu-q-packaging/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-g.ogg.m3u [16:57] thanks everyone [17:07] hi? [17:09] hi Riddell [17:09] I need to find the ice stream .. one moment [17:15] ok.. I am listening now [17:16] txwikinger: there's only two of us here! [17:16] Is wayland already good enough to go? [17:18] So it is only for development now as a package? [17:28] * txwikinger has a google drive [17:29] English [17:31] I have used language packs before, so I can certainly test when needed [17:40] uds-gb-g: 5 minutes left in this session! [17:41] uds-gb-g: 4 minutes left in this session! [17:42] uds-gb-g: 3 minutes left in this session! [17:43] uds-gb-g: 2 minutes left in this session! [17:44] uds-gb-g: 1 minute left in this session! [17:45] uds-gb-g: This session has ended. === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/grand-ballroom-g/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g.log [17:49] hah [17:49] foreign languages? When do you start to talk Gaellic to us Riddel? [17:49] Steve Jobs is back from the undead? [17:49] :D [17:49] He is a deamon === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Track: Other | Quantal Release Schedule Review and Interlocks | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20616/other-q-release-schedule-review/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-g.ogg.m3u [17:53] GUI? for juju charm? [17:53] interesting [17:54] * shadeslayer opens icecast [17:56] Next room 204? [17:58] txwikinger: which room is that? [17:58] argh [17:58] hey! [17:58] don't do that :P [17:58] ... [17:59] what? [17:59] txwikinger: room 204 [17:59] kubuntu iso [17:59] images [17:59] right, which room is that? [18:00] room 204 [18:00] nvm [18:00] good morning [18:03] hi, about the Quantal release schedule... [18:03] I think the Docs Freeze is too late, it leaves only a few days for translations [18:05] o/ [18:16] and we already have usable nightly quantal images apparently [18:19] lol [18:20] * jbicha has to log out in 10 minutes [18:30] bye, see y'all a bit later [18:49] uds-gb-g: 5 minutes left in this session! [18:50] uds-gb-g: 4 minutes left in this session! [18:51] uds-gb-g: 3 minutes left in this session! [18:52] uds-gb-g: 2 minutes left in this session! [18:53] uds-gb-g: 1 minute left in this session! 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[21:49] yup [21:49] the same [21:49] though silence now [21:50] I hear someone tapping away at a keyboard ;) === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-grand-ballroom-g to: Track: Community | Growing Ubuntu Community Accomplishments Collection | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20714/community-q-growing-ubuntu-community-accomplishments/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/grand-ballroom-g.ogg.m3u [21:52] cielak, new topic :D [21:52] :) [21:52] Hey tv [21:52] Sure, no worries [21:53] there is like this crazy buzz coming in maybe feedback ? [21:53] lol it is driving my dog nuts :) [22:00] :-) [22:00] :-) [22:00] sure! [22:00] it's on [22:00] no, we can't hear you ;) [22:00] (I'm listening in as I needed to lie down) [22:05] no problem ;) [22:06] :) [22:06] http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments [22:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guidelines is the link we're actually seeing. === fenris is now known as Guest18607 [22:09] hehe :) no problem, you're doing well ;) [22:09] cielak, is awesome [22:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Trophies === Guest64056 is now known as Ursinha [22:13] I guess this is that one: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/trunk/view/head:/accomplishments/ubuntu-community/en/community-council-member.accomplishment [22:15] We added 1 new one today actually jono :) [22:15] yeah, been working on Ubuntu Forums trophy icon ;) [22:20] the script for CC Member is available here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~jonobacon/ubuntu-community-accomplishments/trunk/view/head:/scripts/ubuntu-community/community-council-member.py [22:25] Installing - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Installing [22:25] the release PPA ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments/release [22:25] sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments-admins/ <~~ which one [22:25] daily PPA ppa:ubuntu-accomplishments-admins/daily [22:26] Making a back button would be nice [22:27] by "my trophies" [22:27] bobweaver: but going 'back' always leads to the same location, so a 'back' button would do exactly the same as clicking 'my trophies', right? [22:28] cielak, I will talk to later about this. :) [22:28] sure :) [22:29] jono you have 4 or 5 from me that need merging into the trunk :-) [22:29] indeed ;) [22:30] I am [22:31] did somebody say juju charms? ;) [22:31] Hi SpamapS :) [22:31] Jono: is there any guidelines for that? [22:31] heh sorry, wrong room/audio feed. Submit your juju charms.. [22:32] as in documentation for creating such packages/ppas? [22:32] nxvl: are you looking for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guidelines ? [22:32] cielak: nope i mean technical [22:32] I ould like too help on the UI side of things :) [22:32] would * [22:33] nxvl: what exactly you mean? [22:33] bobweaver: great, there is a lot of work that has to be done to the accomplishments viewer (which is the GUI part), so you'll surely find something for yourself! [22:33] cielak: i mean the example jono just give, "what if IT LoCo wants" and he answered "Do you own" is there a document that answers "How to do my own" [22:34] nxvl: yes! we have a detailed tutorial on that! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accomplishments/Creating/Guide [22:34] cielak, I will push some stuff in the next couple of days I am swamped with zpanel atm [22:34] +1 for 'accomplishments needed' [22:35] Ubuntu Hour [22:35] for loco team ^^ [22:35] bobweaver: cool - any contributions are always welcome :) [22:36] what about getting stores to carry ubuntu live cds or docs ? [22:36] maybe tie that into lp ^^ [22:37] talk too system 76 to get a sticker thing going like for the super key ? [22:37] seems like a interesting idea bobweaver [22:37] make accomplishment for that [22:37] went to UDS [22:40] yeah, becoming a CC member is easy - just register on LP and become an Ubuntu Member - much easier then using Bazaar, right, s-fox? :-D [22:45] Totally cielak [22:45] It was also easier to get on the forums council ;) [22:45] You know one of 7 seats on a forum of 1.6 million members. lol [22:46] hehe :-) [22:46] is there really... 1,6 million members? did not know, WOW, this is awesome! [22:48] cielak, we average around 1K new members registering PER day [22:48] The numbers are scary [22:48] ;) [22:48] stared team/project on lp may result in people registering pointless teams/projects... [22:48] wow [22:48] s-fox: oh wow, the community is so HUGE... I would never suspect that [22:49] cielak, Yes, that is why we are really trying to push for awareness to new users in things like the default firefix bookmarks and ubuntu installer slides [22:50] :) [22:51] there is a problem with translations [22:51] no launchpad API for them [22:52] but translation team member would be a good one to start from ;) [22:52] i know a member of the translation team [22:54] nope jono, you did not :) [22:54] you merged it locally, but that's not in trunk yet :) [22:54] uds-gb-g: 5 minutes left in this session! [22:55] uds-gb-g: 4 minutes left in this session! [22:56] aah, +1 :-) [22:56] uds-gb-g: 3 minutes left in this session! [22:57] yeah, thanks everyone! :) [22:57] Thanks everyone :) [22:57] uds-gb-g: 2 minutes left in this session! [22:58] uds-gb-g: 1 minute left in this session! 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