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[15:57] <YoBoY> good morning uds
[16:02] <daker> uds-room-202_, hi everyone
[16:03] <daker> uds-room-202_, we hear you only from the left side :/
[16:03] <YoBoY> yes, no stereo
[16:03] <daker> it's stereo i think
[16:04] <daker> but i think there is a problem on the connections
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[16:05] <daker> ツ
[16:08]  * cprofitt waves
[16:10] <YoBoY> it seems yes
[16:21] <vibhav> o/
[16:28] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanielHolbach/Membership?action=diff&rev2=7&rev1=5
[16:30] <vibhav> dholbach: o/
[16:31] <vibhav> dholbach: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/yourname Is actually the Wiki Page of some guy
[16:31] <dholbach> vibhav, yes, I just set it up to show that it's a draft
[16:31] <vibhav> ah
[16:31] <dholbach> vibhav, I didn't want to just modify the wiki page :)
[16:31] <vibhav> You at the UDS?
[16:32] <dholbach> yes
[16:33] <vibhav> cool
[16:33] <vibhav> Hopefully, If I get sponsered by Canonical, I attend the next UDS
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[16:54] <vibhav> Perfect session :)
[17:10]  * dscassel raises hand.
[17:20] <shirgall> Particular annoyance: Will the new nvidia driver (not yet in precise/quantal) that supports xrandr 1.3 get priority because of multi-monitor?
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[18:02]  * tgm4883 raises hand
[18:15] <EtienneG> hi gang
[18:17] <EtienneG> offline auth: sssd and pam_ccred
[18:17] <EtienneG> (the later is a little buggy, but nothing unfixable)
[18:17] <EtienneG> I should have said: sssd *or* pam_ccred
[18:17] <cyphermox> tgm4883: feel free to write your question out right away so we can get to it :)
[18:18] <tgm4883> cyphermox, actually, that as just because someone asked if anyone else was effected by that
[18:18] <cyphermox> ah, sorry
[18:18] <tgm4883> cyphermox, no worries
[18:18] <EtienneG> there was a lot of effort ot bring sssd to main last cycle (thanks a bunch, Timmo!), it just fell short
[18:19] <EtienneG> cyphermox, do you think this is the right place to discuss how NM could/should handle 801.1x wired auth
[18:19] <EtienneG> ???
[18:19] <tjaalton> hey EtienneG :)
[18:19] <cyphermox> "kind of", but we do have a session scheduled for tomorrow in which this can be discussed in more detail
[18:19] <EtienneG> hey tjaalton!
[18:19] <EtienneG> cyphermox, ah HA!
[18:19] <EtienneG> cyphermox, which session is that?  I positively need to attend
[18:20] <EtienneG> is desktop lockdown even part of the discussion today?  That's a difficult topic
[18:20] <cyphermox> EtienneG: NetworkManager Health Check, in Grand Ballroom C tomorrow morning at 9 am.
[18:21] <EtienneG> and one where there is a clear clivage in strategy depending on the organisation
[18:21] <cyphermox> EtienneG: Lockdown has another session too :)
[18:21] <EtienneG> cyphermox, cool, thanks
[18:21] <EtienneG> cyphermox, does it?  :)
[18:21] <cyphermox> EtienneG: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20747/desktop-q-configuration-lockdown/ was at 10am this morning
[18:22] <EtienneG> cyphermox, I missed it.  I guess geeker covered it, so we should be all set
[18:24] <cyphermox> EtienneG: my bad, the network session is a 15:00 tomorrow; see http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20516/foundations-q-networking/
[18:25] <EtienneG> disk encryption: MAKE IT PRESEEDABLE DAMN IT!
[18:25] <EtienneG> :)
[18:26] <EtienneG> regarding disk encryption, I would like to point out that, IME, organisations that requires disk full insists on encrypting the full disk
[18:27] <EtienneG> home directory encryption is not interesting to those who are really security-conscious
[18:27] <EtienneG> not speaking for everyone, but it seems to be the trend
[18:27] <mpt> Is this kind of encryption something the live CD installer would even be technically capable of doing? If so, and if someone wants to implement it, I'd be glad to add it to the installer design
[18:27] <EtienneG> mpt, I guess, yes?
[18:29] <EtienneG> re: master key, a "master" key would be preferable to sharing the user key (which can be changed)
[18:30] <mpt> I think that's what OS X FileVault does -- you can unlock the disk either with the user key or the master key
[18:31] <EtienneG> mpt, very likely yes (although I do not know for a fact)
[18:31] <mpt> (and the user key [18:32] <EtienneG> Dustin, if your company could somehow make use of the TPM chip as a key storage facility, you would really be on to something
[18:34] <mpt> Anyone want to volunteer for ^^^^^ the encryption in the installer? If so I can have a work item for the design
[18:34] <EtienneG> hardware inventory: Gendarmerie uses OCS-Inventory-ng.  It's a mudball, but it works, and it scales
[18:35] <EtienneG> mpt, I am not volunteering, but I suggest you poke ehw about that.  It's something our team is very keen on.
[18:37] <EtienneG> drussel: the problem with Landscape as a hardware inventory system is that Landscape is Ubuntu-specific.  When you do hardware inventory, you want to inventorise all machine, not just those (gasp!) running Ubuntu
[18:39]  * EtienneG raise hand
[18:41] <EtienneG> to the guy speaking now: figuring out licensing would be very thorny
[18:41] <EtienneG> Windows licensing is done on a per-seat basis
[18:41] <EtienneG> we would likely need a CAL for each person wanting to connect to that shared development box
[18:44] <EtienneG> webex is most definitely a pain point
[18:44] <EtienneG> Acrobat reader is currently behind
[18:44] <geofft> EtienneG: Oh, totally forgot about CALs :(
[18:44] <EtienneG> commercial anti-virus (silly on Linux, but still) are not well-packaged
[18:44] <geofft> EtienneG: See also I'm not a Windows IT admin ...
[18:44] <EtienneG> geofft, no prob!  (neither am I, but he)
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[18:55] <EtienneG> drussel, work items?
[18:55] <mpt> EtienneG, ok, I mailed ehw
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[21:57] <SpamapS> o/
[22:07] <SpamapS> Our SRU process doesn't require 100% regression free. It requires that we understand the regression potential.
[22:08] <SpamapS> IMO, the QA process that is run on the stable branch is far more stringent than the usual Ubuntu SRU process.
[22:10] <SpamapS> So we should raise the bar higher for openstack than, say, udev, or, mdadm, or, upstart?
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[22:19] <SpamapS> security generally won't wait for SRU verification unless its already close to being verified
[22:19] <SpamapS> the security team will cherry pick the security fix only, and will not ship the unverified fixes
[22:21] <SpamapS> IMO, too many bugs were fixed at once
[22:22] <SpamapS> ha
[22:22] <SpamapS> HA
[22:23] <SpamapS> s/should/*MUST*/ not change behaviors unless the behaviors are dangerously broken
[22:27]  * SpamapS asks about trystack in #openstack-infra
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