[01:48] rick_h_: You want me to get the Pyramid framework right? [02:26] shakes808: knowing rick_h_, yes. [02:26] Thank you sir. [02:27] Did you go to dinner with them?\ [02:27] yep, rick_h_ should be back on in 20-30 minutes, probably [02:28] How was it? [02:28] Did the speaker join you? [02:29] yeah, it was good. one of the larger groups. maybe around 12 people [02:29] Hope fully I will have money next time and join you all [02:29] had some good conversation about wacky IT problems and network architecture [02:29] cool, i hope so too [02:35] I am looking at the Pyramid site and it is telling me to install a virtual environment and work out of there. [02:35] Will it not work if I just install it? [02:37] i think that will work if you just install it, but it will be easier in the long run if you use virtualenv [02:38] i recommend reading this if you're getting started with python dev http://mirnazim.org/writings/python-ecosystem-introduction/ [02:38] Why is that [02:38] there's a section on virtualenv in that link [02:38] alrihg [02:38] alright [02:40] ty [02:40] Do you dev in Python? [02:40] not as my main job, no. but its one of the things i play around with [02:41] What is your main job? [02:42] mostly c#/java/web consulting [02:43] sometimes other technologies as clients have need [02:43] cool [02:43] freelance? [02:43] what do you do? [02:44] no, for a smaller consulting company [02:44] I work with Craig at Morpace. I work in JavaScript on a Proprietary software making dashboards [02:44] for clients [02:45] If I remember correctly, you are the one that sat down to my left, correct? [02:45] oh cool, a morpace guy :) [02:45] yep [02:46] Yeah, I have been there since the beginning of March. Before that I was working briefly at an insurance software firm [02:46] working in C# [02:46] i do love modern c# [02:47] My only exposure was the few months I was at that firm. I liked it. I got my associates in C++ [02:47] Wasn't horribly difficult to pick up [02:53] For the VM, PyPy? [02:55] and am I going to have to download Python again into the VM? [02:56] you probably already have python on your system, but i think virtualenv may also download a version of python, not sure. [02:56] you can just walk through the steps on pyramid's website to get you going [03:03] howdy [03:03] yea, the virtualenv will just symlink/copy the ptyhon on your system by default [03:03] don't mess with pypy yet, just something to confuse you [03:12] alright [03:12] shakes808: so bring it to CHC tomorrow and I'll get you a project setup right [03:13] sounds good. I am tying to get what I can on here so I can spend more time fiddling with code [03:14] sure thing, just realize that there are different 'templates' for apps and picking the right one to start out with will help make life easier [03:14] Want to give me a quick run down on what I should install [03:14] maybe start with: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_tutorials/en/latest/humans/setup.html [03:15] alright [03:15] ty [03:15] I've not run through it, but seems like a good start [03:15] some other tutorials there as well: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_tutorials/en/latest/index.html [03:16] ty [03:21] Does it matter where I set up my directory layout? [03:21] Where I am not going to have issues like my www/var at the moment and will still be able to serve them to test them out [03:32] shakes808: no, what I do is create a dir named 'src' in my home directory and put all my code stuff there [03:32] so I'd have /home/xxxx/src/tutorial1 or what not [03:33] twitter fail. http://www.airdemon.net/hacker107.html [03:34] alright [03:36] ouch [03:36] phew, don't appear to be in the list [03:38] Great. Looks like my old LG monitor bit the dirt. [03:40] anyone using Prismatic? [03:40] nope raw rss ftw [03:41] I am on step 6 and it says: "bad interpreter: No such file or directory [03:41] I'm trying it out, interesting to just poke around at specific topics [03:43] one of my friends swears by prismatic now [03:49] you know, sometimes it doesn't hurt to just ask [03:49] non sequitor [03:49] greg-g: What are we asking? [03:49] questions [03:57] when are we asking them!? [04:03] ...you all would make terrible protesters. [04:05] Blazeix_: lol [04:05] NOW! [04:05] or maybe tomorrow [04:05] we'll see [04:06] you know, it depends [04:06] I have this bowl to smoke first [04:07] I have been looking through documentation and can't find any trouble shooting for the install of Pyramid [04:07] Where would I be able to grab 6. $ easy_install pyramid WebTest nose [04:13] shakes808: i would follow this guide: http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/narr/install.html [04:14] that goes more in depth [04:14] looks like running ez_setup.py will give you easy_install [04:14] Yep, bloody LG monitor is toasty [04:14] I have easy_install but not the file that it wants to use [04:14] rick_h_: Thank you. I think you helped save me from a monitor that was about ready fo go on the fritz. [04:15] shakes808: are you getting an error? [04:16] aaron@Aaron:~/src/tutorial_workspace$ easy_install pyramid WebTest nose [04:16] bash: /home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin/easy_install: /home/aaron/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [04:19] shakes808: It looks like your virtualenv isn't set up properly. [04:20] snap-l: would that be step 4 in this tut? http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid_tutorials/en/latest/humans/setup.html [04:20] I put: aaron@Aaron:~/src/tutorial_workspace$ export PATH=/home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin:$PATH [04:20] looks like you forgot the 'src' directory in that step, maybe? [04:21] bin: [04:21] $PATH [04:21] Blazeix_: I think that's it. [04:21] what should I have put? [04:21] in that line you posted, you have one as "/home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace" and the other is "/home/aaron/tutorial_workspace" [04:22] also, you can check what is your current path by typing "env | grep PATH" [04:22] probably because I made it in my home dir (tutorial_workspace) and then moved it to src after rick told me [04:22] You might have several of them in there [04:22] at which point you'll want to bring up a new shell, and try step 4+ again [04:23] aaron@Aaron:~/src/tutorial_workspace$ env | grep PATH [04:23] XDG_SESSION_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Session0 [04:23] XDG_SEAT_PATH=/org/freedesktop/DisplayManager/Seat0 [04:23] DEFAULTS_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu-2d.default.path [04:23] PATH=/home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin:/home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin:/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin:/usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games [04:23] MANDATORY_PATH=/usr/share/gconf/ubuntu-2d.mandatory.path [04:23] shakes808: Yeah, start a new shell, and run step 4+ again [04:23] alright [04:23] I think you're working against yourself. [04:25] getting the same thing [04:25] What does `which easy_install` say? [04:25] $ which easy_install [04:25] also, did you make sure virtualenv was run with --no-site-packages? [04:25] /home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin/easy_install [04:25] aaron@Aaron:~/src/tutorial_workspace$ easy_install pyramid WebTest nose [04:25] bash: /home/aaron/src/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin/easy_install: /home/aaron/tutorial_workspace/venv/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [04:26] correct [04:26] did it how it was on the site [04:26] the install part doesn't have src still [04:26] should I delete the folder and restart terminal and try again? [04:27] try starting from scratch (delete virtualenv-create directory, follow steps, etc) [04:27] Or is it not that easy? [04:27] maybe it got messed up when you moved the directory. there's probably some config somewhere that's pointing to the old location [04:27] alright. To delete that is going to be: rm virtualenv [04:28] maybe inside easy_install, check the first line of that file [04:28] i bet it has a hard-coded path [04:28] yeah, or just rm -r the directory, and start again, your choice [04:28] Oh, it was moved? I missed that [04:29] 00:22:29 by my clock [04:29] Blazeix_: You're assuming I didn't skim right past that. :) [04:29] what is the easiest way to save the file in vi? instead of sav! [filename] [04:30] :w filename [04:30] or just :w after opening the file [04:30] the first line in there didn't have the /src/ [04:30] I am going to put it in and see what happens [04:31] :D [04:31] working now [04:31] wIt worked? [04:31] installing a bunch of stuff [04:32] That would be a yes, then [04:32] :D [04:32] Yo [04:32] hi === Chat7924 is now known as lazeras [04:32] allo [04:32] Whoa [04:32] Thank you for the help [04:32] :D [04:33] np [04:33] What's good people's? [04:33] La de da [04:42] lol YAY! [04:42] works [04:42] Awesome [04:43] Thank you again for helping me set it up [04:47] np, glad it's working. [05:05] Alright, logging off. See some of you tomorrow night. [11:17] morning [11:25] GOod morning [11:26] snap-l: so your old display went boom? [11:28] Yeah, I'm not sure what happened [11:28] it won't even power on [11:29] ouch [11:29] I think it had performance anxiety. [11:29] lol [11:29] "Oh shit. Now he's going to know I've been slacking this whole time." [11:30] And it committed monitor seppuku [11:31] Good morning all [11:31] g'morning [11:34] So the monitor is ded? [11:38] http://1saleaday.com/wireless/ [11:50] shakes808: Yeah, no biggie, though [11:51] Just kinda strange how it was working one moment, then suddenly went kaput the next. [11:57] i see some conversation from last night. you cannot move a virtualenv [11:57] there is a "portable" virtualenv, but i don't think it's stable [11:57] you can, but it's not advised [11:57] it requires renaming/updating magic paths [11:58] john has a script to help him do that when they used to (hope they stopped) syncying venv's around as a deploy setup [11:58] hehe [12:00] There's a few deployment practices that I would do differently. :) [12:00] I understand why they're there, but man... [12:01] snap-l: Oh well, just take Diana's when she isn't looking ;) [12:02] shakes808: You keep thinking that Diana is someone to be trifled with [12:02] brousch: That was the problem. I went in and fixed the PATH for it [12:02] lol [12:02] I can assure you this is not true [12:02] snap-l: rick_h_: ha ha, we will see. [12:03] shakes808: It was nice knowing you. [12:03] HA HA [12:13] rick_h_: I got to the second tutorial on that page last night and it was blowing up on me. It probably is something stupid, was late when I was doing it, but was the same code as tutorial 1 that was blowing up. Tut 2 was showing unit testing. :D [12:14] was blowing up at the ('0.0.0.0', 8080, app) on the 8080 [12:15] do you have something already running on 8080? [12:15] try a different port, like 8081 [12:16] I will try that tonight. And nothing should have been running on 8080. In tut1 it was running on 8080 and I stopped it to run tut 2 [12:16] unless it was just hung up [12:23] oh wow, wtf. this tab in chromium shows it as using 2.5GB of RAM right now http://www.tedxgrandrapids.org/event-details-2/2012-schedule/ [12:24] crazy [12:51] heh, for some definition of "good: [12:51] jacobian : Data point: Ubuntu has gotten good enough that I now know several people who've used it for a year+ without ever touching the terminal. [12:59] I'm not sure they're exclusive of one another, but that's good to hear. [12:59] I know my dad has come to prefer Ubuntu [13:23] At the end of the meeting last night, I heard a lot of complaining about the task bar on the top. I don't understand why that would be an issue, I like that any active window's task bar is on the top of the screen; makes things more unified [13:24] MUG has a lot of old school linux'ers in there [13:24] so you'll hear a lot of griping of new/changed things [13:24] lol [13:24] gotcha [13:25] How many people in the MUG group are DEV? [13:25] That and some folks held their nose long enough to get used to GNOME [13:25] shakes808: I think you'll find more admins than developers [13:25] gotcha [13:26] Maybe 3:1 admins to developers? [13:26] So maybe a small handfull? [13:26] gotcha [13:27] I don't know what some folks do, though, so it may be a better radio than I realize [13:27] Do you ever do MUG dev projects? Maybe make an OS? MUG-nux :D [13:27] we're the dev crowd :) [13:27] HA HA [13:27] nice [13:27] well Jim is all dev/business [13:27] http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2012/05/bubble-20.html [13:30] how was the LTSP presentation last night? [13:30] wtf is Mr. Powers doing with it? [13:30] running a school [13:30] i love that ASCAP is an anagram for ASPCA [13:34] snap-l: what was that sound? Did you bring your drumset in? Sounded like a symbol lol [13:34] shakes808: I'm at home, so NFC. [13:34] i dev in python as my main job now. YAY [13:34] and C too. [13:34] no more PHP for me :) [13:34] YAY [13:35] yay! [13:35] I bought django books last night :( [13:35] rick_h_: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.bluegaspode.squeezeplayer [13:35] what books? [13:36] I've only read The Definitive Guide "Holovaty and Kaplan-Moss" [13:36] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0058CR2HY/ref=docs-os-doi_0 [13:36] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006OYO9SK/ref=docs-os-doi_0 [13:36] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006P1K0YY/ref=docs-os-doi_0 [13:37] Why not this one? http://www.amazon.com/Python-Web-Development-Django-ebook/dp/B001ANYCGO/ref=pd_sim_kstore_5?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2 [13:37] lol [13:37] while you were at it :D [13:37] rick_h_: good to have onboard! [13:37] 2008 and not a fan of the publisher [13:37] shakes808: ^ [13:37] you need your old ones back? [13:37] Gotchya [13:38] oh, $0.99 kindle, but i want dead trees [13:38] jrwren: yea, they're small quick things [13:38] free for prime members [13:38] so bonus [13:38] 27 pages, 77 pages. [13:38] I'm loving this revolution. [13:38] i hadn't seen those last 2. good find [13:38] right, just small tip after tip [13:38] kind of hard to read, but good info for me [13:39] Are Amazon's books DRM-free? [13:40] :D [13:40] no, orielly ones are I think [13:40] :( [13:40] oh [13:40] lol [13:40] I have a bunch of books [13:40] if you want to go through them, you are more than welcome to them [13:41] I haven't really had a chance to go through them myself. I have GBs worth of books [13:43] borrow for free with prime. [13:43] GAH!!! must have amazon prime! [13:43] prime ftw! [13:45] also coming some day: http://pragprog.com/book/rvrdj/solid-django [13:54] well I need to start writing django next week so 'some day' won't due for now :P [13:59] i'm glad you've finally come to your senses [13:59] shush [14:02] the greatest strength of django is its simplicity [14:02] the greatest weakness of django is its simplicity [14:02] psh [14:07] i thought the greatest strength of django was it's large community [14:07] Thought that it was too big? [14:07] libraries [14:14] the greatest weakness of django is pronouncing its name. [14:14] HA HA [14:15] DeeJay Ango [14:15] how else would you say it? [14:16] JAYNGO [14:16] :D [14:16] yo yo yo dJ ango in the house! getting funky on the microfone! [14:16] Drop the D because we are not Aussie lol [14:16] jay and go? [14:17] Apparently rick_h_ REALLY wants to use Google Hangouts for Lococast [14:21] I never got a response from my comment earlier about having a MUG Dev Project of MUG-nux [14:21] I am guessing that is a negative? [14:21] I'm not sure what that even means. [14:21] lol [14:22] Make a Linux distro [14:22] Um, that's a negative. :) [14:22] lol :( ok [14:22] I'll support you doing it, but making a distro is a lot of work [14:23] the last thing the linux world needs is another distro [14:23] +1 [14:23] I imagine, it wouldn't be over night or what not. My buddy and his dad were making an OS from Assembly. Not sure how far they got in that project, but I think they got the starts of it to work. [14:24] but I have this reeeeaaaly great idea!!! [14:24] snap-l: :) [14:24] lol [14:24] (g'morning, btw) [14:24] "an OS from Assembly" can mean a lot of things. Its pretty easy to write some code that x86 or x64 will boot. [14:24] good morning greg-g [14:24] rick_h_: Thank you. :) [14:24] writing your own full TCP/IP stack on top of that and making it run other existing software is something else :) [14:24] greg-g: morning [14:25] I will have to see how far they got. I know he got the USB to work and some other stuffs [14:26] snap-l: np, that's the one I have <3 it [14:26] shakes808: I think the main thing about writing a Linux distro is it isn't a one-time even [14:26] event [14:26] it's a commitment [14:27] shakes808: You heard Jim talking about how he started the LTSP project [14:27] what, stop talking about doing a distro [14:27] enough insanity today [14:27] rick_h_: I'll never tell someone they can't do something [14:27] snap-l: yeah that it got big quick when Ubuntu and whoever else got on board [14:27] If people listened to me, there wouldn't ahve been GNOME or KDE [14:27] and that it is too big for him now and he just checks in from time to time [14:28] Everyone has their own insanity to pursue [14:28] haha [14:28] snap-l: really? you were anti-gnome, even in the 0.30-pre time ? [14:28] It's not up to the naysayers to tell them what they can't work on [14:28] hah, ok definitely don't take me seriously [14:28] jrwren: I figured nobody needed another CDE clone [14:28] rofl. [14:29] i was happy to have anything that wasn't CDE [14:29] I am not suggesting to be the next Ubuntu or major distro. Just something for the club to work on collectively and see where it goes. [14:29] jrwren: But that's just it. GNOME and KDE grew to be so much more than just CDE [14:29] shakes808: Definitely bring it up if you're interested [14:29] shakes808: sounds like that is where your interest lies, I say go for it. Other folks are probably interested in other things. [14:29] there may be some takers. [14:31] snap-l: lol I am not that seasoned a developer or know how to start something like that, but just thought that it might be something that would be cool to do for the experience and get people thinking outside the box and get some creativity going. [14:32] shakes808: If you want to do it, you'll probably have to spearhead it [14:32] I am always looking to try something to expand what I could know. [14:32] There are some projects for building distros [14:32] If that is the case, let me get some other projects of mine started first :D [14:32] http://www.tuxradar.com/content/build-your-own-linux-distribution-easy-way [14:33] Like Jim said, "Life happened" and he had to step back from it because "it wasn't making him any money" [14:33] Let me focus on that first and then I will look more into it ;) [14:34] np. [14:36] TY for the link. I will look at it later on [15:16] damnit. C# won't let me do a switch on a Double. come on, VBA let's me do it [15:20] widox Blazeix_: http://cssarrowplease.com/ kind of cool [15:20] widox: you coming to CHC? get a chance to try the colorhug? [15:22] rick_h_: that's pretty slick [15:22] no CHC tonight; have an awards thing to go to for my wife [15:22] ah, party on! [15:22] awards ftw [15:22] I did get my laptop colorhuged though [15:23] how did it go? [15:23] seems ok, I got used to the difference in about a day [15:23] cool [15:23] only thing that's goofy, is the brightness. it seems dimmer all around then it used to [15:24] yea, I think that's intentional [15:24] I think it's more the muted colors [15:24] than physical brightness, but seen the same thing [15:24] yeah, maybe so [15:24] CSS stuff is cool :D [15:25] but I like to turn my brightness down like 3 notches, helps battery life [15:25] right [15:25] now, that's a bit to dim [15:25] I am logging, see you at CHC if you are going === Blazeix_ is now known as Blazeix [15:29] greg-g: help! [15:38] rick_h_: ah, useful [15:57] http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Online-Ordering-System.aspx [16:11] Wow, Jamendo is really broken === jedney is now known as JonEdney [17:28] rick_h_: what?! :) [17:42] brousch: technically you can't use == on a float or double type. Any language that lets you is asking for trouble or had better have defined a default epsilon for comparison [17:48] snap-l: so, they fixed much of my concerns with the redesign vis a vis CC licneses [17:48] I haven't checked search yet, though [17:50] snap-l: by "much" I mean they responded to a few specific concerns from CC even though there are a couple more niggles [17:51] greg-g: Yeah, I saw that. [17:51] UNfortunately, you can't search on anything anymore. [17:52] :( :( [17:52] They really busted it [17:52] greg-g: so I've got a technical question for you, I'm wrapping some code in a file that's Copyright Google, and trying to split what's ours/theirs. http://paste.mitechie.com/show/aDxVm412A0JupwXeqliP/ [17:53] greg-g: is there some particular way I should know to do that? mark it derivative work somehow or something? [17:53] and people out there in the world just need to fall over dead...faith in humanity destroyed in the last hour [17:53] snap-l: wait, what? I see the option to search by license [17:54] greg-g: Try searching for latest releases in Metal [17:54] or search on a band's name. [17:54] territory, for instance. [17:54] Ah, I think something was broken eaerlier. [17:55] Yeah, it's working now [17:55] snap-l: I can't find genres easily (if at all) [17:55] rick_h_: looking/thinking [17:55] greg-g: end of the day it was brought up to email the issue to legal, not used to that idea [17:55] Click on the search box [17:56] greg-g: so I'll wait for the official word, but started out thinking you might have an idea on the right way to denote that kind of inter-mixing [17:56] rick_h_: so.. you're just wrapping the like 5 line google analytics drop in code? [17:56] greg-g: well it's 100+ lines with 5 lines of my own [17:57] the ... just so you get the idea, it goes on for a while [17:57] huh [17:57]