| Squirm | morning | 05:41 |
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| === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan | ||
| === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan | ||
| inetpro | good mornings | 08:40 |
| superfly | hiya inetpro | 08:40 |
| inetpro | . superfly | 08:41 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 08:42 |
| inetpro | A Look At Why Linux Graphics Drivers Have Issues http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTE | 08:43 |
| inetpro | not a lot of info in there, that graph needs a bit of explaining | 08:44 |
| inetpro | wish I could be at the UDS | 08:44 |
| superfly | me too | 08:56 |
| === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan | ||
| Superhuman | afternoon guys | 11:02 |
| Superhuman | anyone here run eclipse on ubuntu 12.04? | 11:02 |
| Superhuman | I get an error "java.lang.RuntimeException: Application "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench" could not be found in the registry." | 11:02 |
| Superhuman | That is on a first run of eclipse... | 11:03 |
| Superhuman | I've since deleted ~/.eclipse and tried again...same issue | 11:03 |
| Superhuman | even remove and reinstall | 11:03 |
| Superhuman | any ideas? | 11:04 |
| Superhuman | some people suggested that running "sudo eclipse" fixes this, it doesn't on my system | 11:04 |
| charlvn | hihi | 11:10 |
| charlvn | readingh | 11:10 |
| charlvn | you definitely don't want to be running eclipse as root | 11:11 |
| charlvn | it's a strange issue, quite honestly i have not yet run eclipse on ubuntu, only netbeans | 11:11 |
| charlvn | well, not on 12.04 i mean | 11:11 |
| charlvn | are you running openjdk or oracle java? | 11:12 |
| Superhuman | open jdk | 11:39 |
| Superhuman | I'm trying to get the android dsk going...hence eclipse | 11:39 |
| Superhuman | sorry, not openjdk, sun-java6-jdk | 11:43 |
| charlvn | isn't that package gone? | 12:04 |
| charlvn | yeah that package has been removed from the repo afaik | 12:04 |
| charlvn | you can try it with jrocket as well | 12:04 |
| Superhuman | you are correct, apparently I have openjdk-6-jdk | 12:06 |
| Superhuman | installed | 12:06 |
| charlvn | yeah that makes more sense | 12:06 |
| charlvn | and eclipse, did you download that off the site manually? | 12:07 |
| Superhuman | no, install from repo | 12:07 |
| charlvn | it's supposed to work out of the box then, perhaps submit a bug report? | 12:07 |
| charlvn | [6~ | 12:08 |
| charlvn | ah sorry | 12:08 |
| Superhuman | I'm bugging the guys in #eclipse-linux | 12:09 |
| Superhuman | hoping they can help | 12:09 |
| Superhuman | otherwise I'm gonna download from eclipses website and hope that works | 12:10 |
| superfly | Superhuman: I'm running Eclipse on 12.04, no issues | 13:04 |
| Superhuman | the downloaded package works 100% for me...so I guess I'll use that rather | 13:05 |
| charlvn | weird | 13:35 |
| charlvn | just got some spam about tech4africa http://tech4africa.com/ | 13:40 |
| charlvn | wondering if open source will be on the agenda | 13:40 |
| AlphaGuyy | Hi Anyone home | 15:44 |
| nlsthzn | o/ | 15:45 |
| AlphaGuyy | Anyone hav xperience wth drawing tablet. | 15:45 |
| Mezenir | hey all | 16:10 |
| superfly | yo Mezenir | 16:34 |
| Mezenir | hey superfly | 16:34 |
| Mezenir | do you have much experience with xampp ? | 16:34 |
| superfly | Mezenir: I'm afraid not. I've only ever set up a proper Linux/Apache/etc/etc server | 16:36 |
| Mezenir | yeah | 16:37 |
| Mezenir | i like xampp coz its self contained | 16:37 |
| Mezenir | but apparently not very secure | 16:37 |
| WOLFEYES | Good evening everyone. | 17:18 |
| Owkkuri | hiya WOLFEYES | 17:19 |
| WOLFEYES | heya Owkkuri | 17:20 |
| WOLFEYES | Nite everyone, see you all again. | 17:25 |
| magespawn | Howdy all | 17:58 |
| magespawn | Wow the room is getting really big | 18:00 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:07 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: xampp makes things almost to easy | 18:07 |
| magespawn | Hi inetpro | 18:07 |
| inetpro | magespawn: hiho | 18:08 |
| inetpro | I would never use it for a production environment | 18:08 |
| Mezenir | hey inetpro | 18:09 |
| Mezenir | i see you can make your installation more secure | 18:09 |
| Mezenir | by using the security argument to the binary | 18:09 |
| Mezenir | but i take it thats not enough ? | 18:09 |
| inetpro | xampp can make life easy if you want to set up a quick working environment for test purposes | 18:09 |
| magespawn | But it is nice to play around with in xp | 18:09 |
| Kilos | evening all of you | 18:10 |
| magespawn | Hi Kilos | 18:10 |
| Mezenir | most articles ive read online say it shouldnt be used for production | 18:10 |
| Mezenir | hi kilos and magespawn | 18:10 |
| Mezenir | they recommend zend thou | 18:10 |
| magespawn | Hi Mezenir | 18:10 |
| inetpro | heh Kilos | 18:10 |
| Mezenir | i liked xampp because it comes with all the libraries it needs | 18:10 |
| inetpro | wb | 18:10 |
| Kilos | lol ty my friend | 18:11 |
| Mezenir | to it will probably work on old systems with little difficulty | 18:11 |
| Mezenir | so* | 18:11 |
| Kilos | not often i come on here and something is actually happening | 18:11 |
| Kilos | gonna rain methinks | 18:12 |
| magespawn | I have it running on a windows xp machine here at home, | 18:12 |
| inetpro | xampp is like a boxed solution for those who will never apreciate all the intricasies of all the integrated pieces | 18:12 |
| inetpro | almost like implementing a DNS server from a working example without ever reading and understanding the details | 18:14 |
| Mezenir | true | 18:14 |
| magespawn | I agree with that one but it does run on that other os so I can run it at home on the same pc that the kids play on | 18:14 |
| inetpro | :-) | 18:15 |
| Mezenir | but truly getting to know those intricacies can take years ? | 18:15 |
| nuvolari | hallo | 18:15 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari pieter@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds ago | 18:15 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari mailto:ceo@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 1 second ago | 18:15 |
| Kilos | hi nuvolari | 18:15 |
| nuvolari | ah, thanks oom | 18:16 |
| nuvolari | naand oom kilos | 18:16 |
| magespawn | Hi nuvolari | 18:16 |
| nuvolari | hi magespawn | 18:16 |
| Kilos | alweer. het nie geweet wanneer jy weer hier is nie | 18:16 |
| * nuvolari on ssh on phone | 18:16 | |
| nuvolari | im a bit slow | 18:17 |
| Kilos | a bit? | 18:17 |
| magespawn | Hah | 18:17 |
| nuvolari | ja oom, nie so vinnig om te tik nie | 18:17 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:18 |
| Kilos | wassup magespawn | 18:18 |
| nuvolari | that's the advantage of text irc clients | 18:18 |
| nuvolari | launch once, use anywhere | 18:19 |
| nuvolari | well, nearly everywhere | 18:19 |
| magespawn | Brb putting the fish to bed | 18:19 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:19 |
| Kilos | inetpro, what happened now you run outa info | 18:19 |
| inetpro | Kilos: you want more? | 18:20 |
| Kilos | ya as it said some read but dont understand | 18:20 |
| Kilos | thats me | 18:21 |
| Kilos | hi mikeit | 18:21 |
| Kilos | aw missed nlsthzn | 18:22 |
| inetpro | Kilos: I was just responding based on a question from Mezenir to superfly | 18:23 |
| Kilos | ok you forgiven | 18:23 |
| Kilos | hi superfly | 18:23 |
| Mezenir | lol | 18:23 |
| inetpro | I must say I was pretty impressed when I first tried xampp | 18:24 |
| Kilos | what does it do? | 18:24 |
| Kilos | not in my repos | 18:24 |
| Mezenir | its a combination of apache mysql php perl | 18:25 |
| Kilos | what does all of that do/ | 18:26 |
| Mezenir | that is very easy to install | 18:26 |
| Mezenir | it allows you to serve web pages | 18:26 |
| Kilos | oh ty | 18:26 |
| Mezenir | dynamic web pages programmed in php | 18:27 |
| inetpro | XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. | 18:27 |
| Mezenir | the x stands for cross platform | 18:27 |
| inetpro | typically used on Windows | 18:27 |
| Mezenir | but its not meant for production | 18:27 |
| Mezenir | thou im not sure why | 18:28 |
| Mezenir | there are tools that allow you to set passwords | 18:28 |
| inetpro | The philosophy behind XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution for developers to get into the world of Apache | 18:28 |
| inetpro | To make it convenient for developers XAMPP is configured with all features turned on | 18:29 |
| Kilos | inetpro, are you copy/pasting? | 18:29 |
| Mezenir | yeah i read that | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha | 18:29 |
| inetpro | Kilos: yep, much easier and more accurate :-) | 18:30 |
| Kilos | hes sneeky at times | 18:30 |
| inetpro | taken from the xampp website itself | 18:30 |
| Mezenir | but the site also speaks of security features | 18:30 |
| Kilos | xampp is for you clever guys | 18:30 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: most guys won't go to the level of securing stuffs once they see it working | 18:31 |
| Mezenir | yeah inet | 18:35 |
| Mezenir | but im a bit obsessive that way | 18:35 |
| Mezenir | i guess the best way is just to go through all the security docs for apache mysql and php | 18:36 |
| Mezenir | is that what you meant by the intricacies ? | 18:36 |
| Mezenir | kilos : xampp is nice if you want to make something quickly for private use | 18:36 |
| Mezenir | without struggling to set up your environment | 18:37 |
| Mezenir | or for testing | 18:37 |
| Kilos | ah but for webpages or sites? | 18:37 |
| Mezenir | well the nice thing about php is it allows you to dynamically generate content | 18:38 |
| Mezenir | by reading from the mysql database | 18:38 |
| Mezenir | thats why they go well together | 18:38 |
| Mezenir | and based on user input and other sources | 18:39 |
| Mezenir | php generates the pages | 18:39 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: not only apache mysql and php | 18:39 |
| Mezenir | which are served by the apache web server | 18:39 |
| Kilos | i cant even get through the LPI manual | 18:40 |
| Mezenir | inetpro : i guess its years then | 18:40 |
| inetpro | there are a lot of components that just magically work together with no effort in configuration | 18:40 |
| inetpro | Apache, MySQL, PHP + PEAR, Perl, mod_php, mod_perl, mod_ssl, OpenSSL, phpMyAdmin, Webalizer, Mercury Mail Transport System for Win32 and NetWare Systems v3.32, Ming, FileZilla FTP Server, mcrypt, eAccelerator, SQLite, and WEB-DAV + mod_auth_mysql | 18:40 |
| Mezenir | kilos : you dont have to know a lot to make basic web pages / sites | 18:40 |
| Kilos | i used yola | 18:41 |
| Kilos | and had help from friends | 18:41 |
| Mezenir | by installing xampp and reading a few tutorials on www.w3schools.com | 18:41 |
| Mezenir | you can get far | 18:41 |
| Kilos | Mezenir, rember that and when i get a good internet connection ojne day i will go through it | 18:42 |
| Kilos | one | 18:42 |
| Mezenir | yeah sorry i forget | 18:42 |
| Kilos | np its part of life | 18:43 |
| Mezenir | whats yola ? | 18:43 |
| Kilos | i get pleasure outa you guys going on about things even though half i dont understand | 18:44 |
| Kilos | yola make sites | 18:44 |
| Mezenir | ah ok | 18:44 |
| Kilos | \yolasite.com i think | 18:44 |
| Kilos | one of the guys here is involved with them | 18:44 |
| Mezenir | ah ok | 18:45 |
| Kilos | hi Hodgestar long time no hear | 18:46 |
| Hodgestar | Hi. | 18:46 |
| Kilos | inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please | 18:47 |
| Mezenir | inetpro do you work securing production systems using LAMP ? | 18:48 |
| Mezenir | do work8 | 18:48 |
| Mezenir | do work * | 18:48 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: partly | 18:49 |
| * inetpro is a jack of all trades and master of none | 18:49 | |
| inetpro | at least that is what it feels like many times | 18:49 |
| Mezenir | hehe | 18:49 |
| Kilos | you do alright for an old man | 18:49 |
| Mezenir | but i dont think you can know everything ? | 18:49 |
| inetpro | systems admin is such a wide ranging field | 18:50 |
| inetpro | this afternoon I was troubleshooting a terrible power failure | 18:50 |
| inetpro | I think I started working with Apache around 1997 | 18:52 |
| Kilos | mind those things bite back | 18:52 |
| Mezenir | ah | 18:53 |
| Mezenir | so you know how to secure it by now | 18:53 |
| inetpro | in those days we compiled everything from scratch, choosing components at compile time | 18:54 |
| Mezenir | hardcore | 18:54 |
| Mezenir | but the less there is the less can go wrong | 18:55 |
| inetpro | lots of fun and games | 18:55 |
| Mezenir | which is one of the things i dont like about xampp | 18:55 |
| Mezenir | too many extras | 18:55 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: exactly | 18:56 |
| Mezenir | for production anyway | 18:56 |
| Mezenir | you ever compile gcc ? | 18:57 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: yep | 18:57 |
| inetpro | now you bring back memories | 18:57 |
| Mezenir | lol | 18:57 |
| Mezenir | there are so many options | 18:57 |
| Mezenir | seems overwhelming | 18:57 |
| Mezenir | the config options that is | 18:58 |
| inetpro | like starting off with a binary version to compile the full version | 18:58 |
| Mezenir | sleepy time for me | 19:01 |
| Mezenir | gnite all | 19:01 |
| inetpro | hmm... bye mez[tab] | 19:02 |
| magespawn | I installed it to see what mercury was like | 19:03 |
| Kilos | night guys sleep tight | 19:05 |
| Kilos | see you morrow night | 19:05 |
| magespawn | Seems like a lot of people use w3schools | 19:05 |
| magespawn | Night kilos | 19:05 |
| inetpro | I think my first experience with a web server was with Netscape Enterprise Server 1 on a Sun Microsystems SPARCstation 20 | 19:06 |
| magespawn | That sounds like it comes from the dark ages | 19:07 |
| inetpro | :-) | 19:08 |
| magespawn | Woo hho my adsl price cut is active this month cool | 19:11 |
| nuvolari | hmm, does anyone know how to disable this horrible new slides in gnome? | 19:14 |
| nuvolari | *sliders | 19:14 |
| nuvolari | *scrollbars | 19:14 |
| magespawn | No idea | 19:58 |
| superfly | magespawn: ISP? | 20:20 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: what's wrong with them sliders? | 20:34 |
| magespawn | superfly mweb | 20:36 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: you may want to see http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html | 20:36 |
| inetpro | I'm not sure whether that is still valid for 12.04 | 20:36 |
| inetpro | I think it's simply a matter of removing the overlay-scrollbar package | 20:38 |
| superfly | magespawn: ah, OK | 20:43 |
| magespawn | About the only thing that has come down in price. | 20:44 |
| inetpro | damn! | 21:18 |
| inetpro | http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ | 21:18 |
| inetpro | I wish I had both, more time and more bandwidth | 21:19 |
| inetpro | very interesting stuff happening at UDS | 21:19 |
| inetpro | good night everyone | 21:20 |
| superfly | night inetpro | 21:20 |
| magespawn | FYI http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2012-May/009901.html | 21:25 |
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