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inetprogood mornings08:40
superflyhiya inetpro08:40
inetpro. superfly08:41
inetproA Look At Why Linux Graphics Drivers Have Issues http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTE08:43
inetpronot a lot of info in there, that graph needs a bit of explaining08:44
inetprowish I could be at the UDS08:44
superflyme too08:56
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Superhumanafternoon guys11:02
Superhumananyone here run eclipse on ubuntu 12.04?11:02
SuperhumanI get an error "java.lang.RuntimeException: Application "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench" could not be found in the registry."11:02
SuperhumanThat is on a first run of eclipse...11:03
SuperhumanI've since deleted ~/.eclipse and tried again...same issue11:03
Superhumaneven remove and reinstall 11:03
Superhumanany ideas?11:04
Superhumansome people suggested that running "sudo eclipse" fixes this, it doesn't on my system11:04
charlvnyou definitely don't want to be running eclipse as root11:11
charlvnit's a strange issue, quite honestly i have not yet run eclipse on ubuntu, only netbeans11:11
charlvnwell, not on 12.04 i mean11:11
charlvnare you running openjdk or oracle java?11:12
Superhumanopen jdk11:39
SuperhumanI'm trying to get the android dsk going...hence eclipse11:39
Superhumansorry, not openjdk, sun-java6-jdk11:43
charlvnisn't that package gone?12:04
charlvnyeah that package has been removed from the repo afaik12:04
charlvnyou can try it with jrocket as well12:04
Superhumanyou are correct, apparently I have openjdk-6-jdk12:06
charlvnyeah that makes more sense12:06
charlvnand eclipse, did you download that off the site manually?12:07
Superhumanno, install from repo12:07
charlvnit's supposed to work out of the box then, perhaps submit a bug report?12:07
charlvnah sorry12:08
SuperhumanI'm bugging the guys in #eclipse-linux12:09
Superhumanhoping they can help12:09
Superhumanotherwise I'm gonna download from eclipses website and hope that works12:10
superflySuperhuman: I'm running Eclipse on 12.04, no issues13:04
Superhumanthe downloaded package works 100% for me...so I guess I'll use that rather13:05
charlvnjust got some spam about tech4africa http://tech4africa.com/13:40
charlvnwondering if open source will be on the agenda13:40
AlphaGuyyHi Anyone home15:44
AlphaGuyyAnyone hav xperience wth drawing tablet.15:45
Mezenirhey all16:10
superflyyo Mezenir16:34
Mezenirhey superfly16:34
Mezenirdo you have much experience with xampp ?16:34
superflyMezenir: I'm afraid not. I've only ever set up a proper Linux/Apache/etc/etc server16:36
Mezeniri like xampp coz its self contained16:37
Mezenirbut apparently not very secure16:37
WOLFEYESGood evening everyone.17:18
Owkkurihiya WOLFEYES17:19
WOLFEYESheya Owkkuri 17:20
WOLFEYESNite everyone, see you all again.17:25
magespawnHowdy all17:58
magespawnWow the room is getting really big18:00
inetprogood evening18:07
inetproMezenir: xampp makes things almost to easy18:07
magespawnHi inetpro18:07
inetpromagespawn: hiho18:08
inetproI would never use it for a production environment18:08
Mezenirhey inetpro18:09
Mezeniri see you can make your installation more secure18:09
Mezenirby using the security argument to the binary18:09
Mezenirbut i take it thats not enough ?18:09
inetproxampp can make life easy if you want to set up a quick working environment for test purposes18:09
magespawnBut it is nice to play around with in xp18:09
Kilosevening all of you18:10
magespawnHi Kilos18:10
Mezenirmost articles ive read online say it shouldnt be used for production18:10
Mezenirhi kilos and magespawn18:10
Mezenirthey recommend zend thou18:10
magespawnHi Mezenir18:10
inetproheh Kilos18:10
Mezeniri liked xampp because it comes with all the libraries it needs18:10
Kiloslol ty my friend18:11
Mezenirto it will probably work on old systems with little difficulty18:11
Kilosnot often i come on here and something is actually happening18:11
Kilosgonna rain methinks18:12
magespawnI have it running on a windows xp machine here at home,18:12
inetproxampp is like a boxed solution for those who will never apreciate all the intricasies of all the integrated pieces18:12
inetproalmost like implementing a DNS server from a working example without ever reading and understanding the details18:14
magespawnI agree with that one but it does run on that other os so I can run it at home on the same pc that the kids play on18:14
Mezenirbut truly getting to know those intricacies can take years ?18:15
Maaznuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari pieter@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds ago18:15
Maaznuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari mailto:ceo@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 1 second ago18:15
Kiloshi nuvolari 18:15
nuvolariah, thanks oom18:16
nuvolarinaand oom kilos18:16
magespawnHi nuvolari18:16
nuvolarihi magespawn 18:16
Kilosalweer. het nie geweet wanneer jy weer hier is nie18:16
* nuvolari on ssh on phone18:16
nuvolariim a bit slow18:17
Kilosa bit?18:17
nuvolarija oom, nie so vinnig om te tik nie18:17
Kiloswassup magespawn 18:18
nuvolarithat's the advantage of text irc clients18:18
nuvolarilaunch once, use anywhere18:19
nuvolariwell, nearly everywhere18:19
magespawnBrb putting the fish to bed18:19
Kilosinetpro, what happened now you run outa info18:19
inetproKilos: you want more?18:20
Kilosya as it said some read but dont understand18:20
Kilosthats me18:21
Kiloshi mikeit 18:21
Kilosaw missed nlsthzn18:22
inetproKilos: I was just responding based on a question from Mezenir to superfly18:23
Kilosok you forgiven18:23
Kiloshi superfly 18:23
inetproI must say I was pretty impressed when I first tried xampp18:24
Kiloswhat does it do?18:24
Kilosnot in my repos18:24
Mezenirits a combination of apache mysql php perl18:25
Kiloswhat does all of that do/18:26
Mezenirthat is very easy to install18:26
Mezenirit allows you to serve web pages18:26
Kilosoh ty18:26
Mezenirdynamic web pages programmed in php18:27
inetproXAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. 18:27
Mezenirthe x stands for cross platform18:27
inetprotypically used on Windows18:27
Mezenirbut its not meant for production18:27
Mezenirthou im not sure why18:28
Mezenirthere are tools that allow you to set passwords18:28
inetproThe philosophy behind XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution for developers to get into the world of Apache18:28
inetproTo make it convenient for developers XAMPP is configured with all features turned on18:29
Kilosinetpro, are you copy/pasting?18:29
Mezeniryeah i read that18:29
Kilosha ha ha18:29
inetproKilos: yep, much easier and more accurate :-)18:30
Kiloshes sneeky at times18:30
inetprotaken from the xampp website itself18:30
Mezenirbut the site also speaks of security features18:30
Kilosxampp is for you clever guys18:30
inetproMezenir: most guys won't go to the level of securing stuffs once they see it working18:31
Mezeniryeah inet18:35
Mezenirbut im a bit obsessive that way18:35
Mezeniri guess the best way is just to go through all the security docs for apache mysql and php18:36
Mezeniris that what you meant by the intricacies ?18:36
Mezenirkilos : xampp is nice if you want to make something quickly for private use18:36
Mezenirwithout struggling to set up your environment18:37
Mezeniror for testing 18:37
Kilosah but for webpages or sites?18:37
Mezenirwell the nice thing about php is it allows you to dynamically generate content18:38
Mezenirby reading from the mysql database18:38
Mezenirthats why they go well together18:38
Mezenirand based on user input and other sources18:39
Mezenirphp generates the pages18:39
inetproMezenir: not only apache mysql and php18:39
Mezenirwhich are served by the apache web server18:39
Kilosi cant even get through the LPI manual18:40
Mezenirinetpro : i guess its years then18:40
inetprothere are a lot of components that just magically work together with no effort in configuration18:40
inetproApache, MySQL, PHP + PEAR, Perl, mod_php, mod_perl, mod_ssl, OpenSSL, phpMyAdmin, Webalizer, Mercury Mail Transport System for Win32 and NetWare Systems v3.32, Ming, FileZilla FTP Server, mcrypt, eAccelerator, SQLite, and WEB-DAV + mod_auth_mysql18:40
Mezenirkilos : you dont have to know a lot to make basic web pages / sites18:40
Kilosi used yola18:41
Kilosand had help from friends18:41
Mezenirby installing xampp and reading a few tutorials on www.w3schools.com18:41
Mezeniryou can get far18:41
KilosMezenir, rember that and when i get a good internet connection ojne day i will go through it18:42
Mezeniryeah sorry i forget18:42
Kilosnp its part of life18:43
Mezenirwhats yola ?18:43
Kilosi get pleasure outa you guys going on about things even though half i dont understand18:44
Kilosyola make sites18:44
Mezenirah ok18:44
Kilos\yolasite.com i think18:44
Kilosone of the guys here is involved with them18:44
Mezenirah ok18:45
Kiloshi Hodgestar long time no hear18:46
Kilosinetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please18:47
Mezenirinetpro do you work securing production systems using LAMP ?18:48
Mezenirdo work818:48
Mezenirdo work *18:48
inetproMezenir: partly18:49
* inetpro is a jack of all trades and master of none18:49
inetproat least that is what it feels like many times18:49
Kilosyou do alright for an old man18:49
Mezenirbut i dont think you can know everything ?18:49
inetprosystems admin is such a wide ranging field18:50
inetprothis afternoon I was troubleshooting a terrible power failure18:50
inetproI think I started working with Apache around 199718:52
Kilosmind those things bite back18:52
Mezenirso you know how to secure it by now18:53
inetproin those days we compiled everything from scratch, choosing components at compile time18:54
Mezenirbut the less there is the less can go wrong18:55
inetprolots of fun and games18:55
Mezenirwhich is one of the things i dont like about xampp18:55
Mezenirtoo many extras18:55
inetproMezenir: exactly18:56
Mezenirfor production anyway18:56
Mezeniryou ever compile gcc ?18:57
inetproMezenir: yep18:57
inetpronow you bring back memories18:57
Mezenirthere are so many options18:57
Mezenirseems overwhelming18:57
Mezenirthe config options that is18:58
inetprolike starting off with a binary version to compile the full version18:58
Mezenirsleepy time for me19:01
Mezenirgnite all19:01
inetprohmm... bye mez[tab]19:02
magespawnI installed it to see what mercury was like19:03
Kilosnight guys sleep tight19:05
Kilossee you morrow night19:05
magespawnSeems like a lot of people use w3schools19:05
magespawnNight  kilos19:05
inetproI think my first experience with a web server was with Netscape Enterprise Server 1 on a Sun Microsystems SPARCstation 2019:06
magespawnThat  sounds like it comes from the dark ages19:07
magespawnWoo hho my adsl  price cut is active this month cool19:11
nuvolarihmm, does anyone know how to disable this horrible new slides in gnome? 19:14
magespawnNo idea19:58
superflymagespawn: ISP?20:20
inetpronuvolari: what's wrong with them sliders?20:34
magespawnsuperfly mweb20:36
inetpronuvolari: you may want to see http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html20:36
inetproI'm not sure whether that is still valid for 12.0420:36
inetproI think it's simply a matter of removing the overlay-scrollbar package20:38
superflymagespawn: ah, OK20:43
magespawnAbout the only thing that has come down in price.20:44
inetproI wish I had both, more time and more bandwidth21:19
inetprovery interesting stuff happening at UDS21:19
inetprogood night everyone21:20
superflynight inetpro21:20
magespawnFYI   http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2012-May/009901.html21:25

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