[05:41] <Squirm> morning
[08:40] <inetpro> good mornings
[08:40] <superfly> hiya inetpro
[08:41] <inetpro> . superfly
[08:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[08:43] <inetpro> A Look At Why Linux Graphics Drivers Have Issues http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTE
[08:44] <inetpro> not a lot of info in there, that graph needs a bit of explaining
[08:44] <inetpro> wish I could be at the UDS
[08:56] <superfly> me too
[11:02] <Superhuman> afternoon guys
[11:02] <Superhuman> anyone here run eclipse on ubuntu 12.04?
[11:02] <Superhuman> I get an error "java.lang.RuntimeException: Application "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench" could not be found in the registry."
[11:03] <Superhuman> That is on a first run of eclipse...
[11:03] <Superhuman> I've since deleted ~/.eclipse and tried again...same issue
[11:03] <Superhuman> even remove and reinstall 
[11:04] <Superhuman> any ideas?
[11:04] <Superhuman> some people suggested that running "sudo eclipse" fixes this, it doesn't on my system
[11:10] <charlvn> hihi
[11:10] <charlvn> readingh
[11:11] <charlvn> you definitely don't want to be running eclipse as root
[11:11] <charlvn> it's a strange issue, quite honestly i have not yet run eclipse on ubuntu, only netbeans
[11:11] <charlvn> well, not on 12.04 i mean
[11:12] <charlvn> are you running openjdk or oracle java?
[11:39] <Superhuman> open jdk
[11:39] <Superhuman> I'm trying to get the android dsk going...hence eclipse
[11:43] <Superhuman> sorry, not openjdk, sun-java6-jdk
[12:04] <charlvn> isn't that package gone?
[12:04] <charlvn> yeah that package has been removed from the repo afaik
[12:04] <charlvn> you can try it with jrocket as well
[12:06] <Superhuman> you are correct, apparently I have openjdk-6-jdk
[12:06] <Superhuman> installed
[12:06] <charlvn> yeah that makes more sense
[12:07] <charlvn> and eclipse, did you download that off the site manually?
[12:07] <Superhuman> no, install from repo
[12:07] <charlvn> it's supposed to work out of the box then, perhaps submit a bug report?
[12:08] <charlvn> [6~
[12:08] <charlvn> ah sorry
[12:09] <Superhuman> I'm bugging the guys in #eclipse-linux
[12:09] <Superhuman> hoping they can help
[12:10] <Superhuman> otherwise I'm gonna download from eclipses website and hope that works
[13:04] <superfly> Superhuman: I'm running Eclipse on 12.04, no issues
[13:05] <Superhuman> the downloaded package works 100% for me...so I guess I'll use that rather
[13:35] <charlvn> weird
[13:40] <charlvn> just got some spam about tech4africa http://tech4africa.com/
[13:40] <charlvn> wondering if open source will be on the agenda
[15:44] <AlphaGuyy> Hi Anyone home
[15:45] <nlsthzn> o/
[15:45] <AlphaGuyy> Anyone hav xperience wth drawing tablet.
[16:10] <Mezenir> hey all
[16:34] <superfly> yo Mezenir
[16:34] <Mezenir> hey superfly
[16:34] <Mezenir> do you have much experience with xampp ?
[16:36] <superfly> Mezenir: I'm afraid not. I've only ever set up a proper Linux/Apache/etc/etc server
[16:37] <Mezenir> yeah
[16:37] <Mezenir> i like xampp coz its self contained
[16:37] <Mezenir> but apparently not very secure
[17:18] <WOLFEYES> Good evening everyone.
[17:19] <Owkkuri> hiya WOLFEYES
[17:20] <WOLFEYES> heya Owkkuri 
[17:25] <WOLFEYES> Nite everyone, see you all again.
[17:58] <magespawn> Howdy all
[18:00] <magespawn> Wow the room is getting really big
[18:07] <inetpro> good evening
[18:07] <inetpro> Mezenir: xampp makes things almost to easy
[18:07] <magespawn> Hi inetpro
[18:08] <inetpro> magespawn: hiho
[18:08] <inetpro> I would never use it for a production environment
[18:09] <Mezenir> hey inetpro
[18:09] <Mezenir> i see you can make your installation more secure
[18:09] <Mezenir> by using the security argument to the binary
[18:09] <Mezenir> but i take it thats not enough ?
[18:09] <inetpro> xampp can make life easy if you want to set up a quick working environment for test purposes
[18:09] <magespawn> But it is nice to play around with in xp
[18:10] <Kilos> evening all of you
[18:10] <magespawn> Hi Kilos
[18:10] <Mezenir> most articles ive read online say it shouldnt be used for production
[18:10] <Mezenir> hi kilos and magespawn
[18:10] <Mezenir> they recommend zend thou
[18:10] <magespawn> Hi Mezenir
[18:10] <inetpro> heh Kilos
[18:10] <Mezenir> i liked xampp because it comes with all the libraries it needs
[18:10] <inetpro> wb
[18:11] <Kilos> lol ty my friend
[18:11] <Mezenir> to it will probably work on old systems with little difficulty
[18:11] <Mezenir> so*
[18:11] <Kilos> not often i come on here and something is actually happening
[18:12] <Kilos> gonna rain methinks
[18:12] <magespawn> I have it running on a windows xp machine here at home,
[18:12] <inetpro> xampp is like a boxed solution for those who will never apreciate all the intricasies of all the integrated pieces
[18:14] <inetpro> almost like implementing a DNS server from a working example without ever reading and understanding the details
[18:14] <Mezenir> true
[18:14] <magespawn> I agree with that one but it does run on that other os so I can run it at home on the same pc that the kids play on
[18:15] <inetpro> :-)
[18:15] <Mezenir> but truly getting to know those intricacies can take years ?
[18:15] <nuvolari> hallo
[18:15] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari pieter@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds ago
[18:15] <Maaz> nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari mailto:ceo@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 1 second ago
[18:15] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[18:16] <nuvolari> ah, thanks oom
[18:16] <nuvolari> naand oom kilos
[18:16] <magespawn> Hi nuvolari
[18:16] <nuvolari> hi magespawn 
[18:16] <Kilos> alweer. het nie geweet wanneer jy weer hier is nie
[18:16]  * nuvolari on ssh on phone
[18:17] <nuvolari> im a bit slow
[18:17] <Kilos> a bit?
[18:17] <magespawn> Hah
[18:17] <nuvolari> ja oom, nie so vinnig om te tik nie
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> wassup magespawn 
[18:18] <nuvolari> that's the advantage of text irc clients
[18:19] <nuvolari> launch once, use anywhere
[18:19] <nuvolari> well, nearly everywhere
[18:19] <magespawn> Brb putting the fish to bed
[18:19] <Kilos> ok
[18:19] <Kilos> inetpro, what happened now you run outa info
[18:20] <inetpro> Kilos: you want more?
[18:20] <Kilos> ya as it said some read but dont understand
[18:21] <Kilos> thats me
[18:21] <Kilos> hi mikeit 
[18:22] <Kilos> aw missed nlsthzn
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: I was just responding based on a question from Mezenir to superfly
[18:23] <Kilos> ok you forgiven
[18:23] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:23] <Mezenir> lol
[18:24] <inetpro> I must say I was pretty impressed when I first tried xampp
[18:24] <Kilos> what does it do?
[18:24] <Kilos> not in my repos
[18:25] <Mezenir> its a combination of apache mysql php perl
[18:26] <Kilos> what does all of that do/
[18:26] <Mezenir> that is very easy to install
[18:26] <Mezenir> it allows you to serve web pages
[18:26] <Kilos> oh ty
[18:27] <Mezenir> dynamic web pages programmed in php
[18:27] <inetpro> XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. 
[18:27] <Mezenir> the x stands for cross platform
[18:27] <inetpro> typically used on Windows
[18:27] <Mezenir> but its not meant for production
[18:28] <Mezenir> thou im not sure why
[18:28] <Mezenir> there are tools that allow you to set passwords
[18:28] <inetpro> The philosophy behind XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution for developers to get into the world of Apache
[18:29] <inetpro> To make it convenient for developers XAMPP is configured with all features turned on
[18:29] <Kilos> inetpro, are you copy/pasting?
[18:29] <Mezenir> yeah i read that
[18:29] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[18:30] <inetpro> Kilos: yep, much easier and more accurate :-)
[18:30] <Kilos> hes sneeky at times
[18:30] <inetpro> taken from the xampp website itself
[18:30] <Mezenir> but the site also speaks of security features
[18:30] <Kilos> xampp is for you clever guys
[18:31] <inetpro> Mezenir: most guys won't go to the level of securing stuffs once they see it working
[18:35] <Mezenir> yeah inet
[18:35] <Mezenir> but im a bit obsessive that way
[18:36] <Mezenir> i guess the best way is just to go through all the security docs for apache mysql and php
[18:36] <Mezenir> is that what you meant by the intricacies ?
[18:36] <Mezenir> kilos : xampp is nice if you want to make something quickly for private use
[18:37] <Mezenir> without struggling to set up your environment
[18:37] <Mezenir> or for testing 
[18:37] <Kilos> ah but for webpages or sites?
[18:38] <Mezenir> well the nice thing about php is it allows you to dynamically generate content
[18:38] <Mezenir> by reading from the mysql database
[18:38] <Mezenir> thats why they go well together
[18:39] <Mezenir> and based on user input and other sources
[18:39] <Mezenir> php generates the pages
[18:39] <inetpro> Mezenir: not only apache mysql and php
[18:39] <Mezenir> which are served by the apache web server
[18:40] <Kilos> i cant even get through the LPI manual
[18:40] <Mezenir> inetpro : i guess its years then
[18:40] <inetpro> there are a lot of components that just magically work together with no effort in configuration
[18:40] <inetpro> Apache, MySQL, PHP + PEAR, Perl, mod_php, mod_perl, mod_ssl, OpenSSL, phpMyAdmin, Webalizer, Mercury Mail Transport System for Win32 and NetWare Systems v3.32, Ming, FileZilla FTP Server, mcrypt, eAccelerator, SQLite, and WEB-DAV + mod_auth_mysql
[18:40] <Mezenir> kilos : you dont have to know a lot to make basic web pages / sites
[18:41] <Kilos> i used yola
[18:41] <Kilos> and had help from friends
[18:41] <Mezenir> by installing xampp and reading a few tutorials on www.w3schools.com
[18:41] <Mezenir> you can get far
[18:42] <Kilos> Mezenir, rember that and when i get a good internet connection ojne day i will go through it
[18:42] <Kilos> one
[18:42] <Mezenir> yeah sorry i forget
[18:43] <Kilos> np its part of life
[18:43] <Mezenir> whats yola ?
[18:44] <Kilos> i get pleasure outa you guys going on about things even though half i dont understand
[18:44] <Kilos> yola make sites
[18:44] <Mezenir> ah ok
[18:44] <Kilos> \yolasite.com i think
[18:44] <Kilos> one of the guys here is involved with them
[18:45] <Mezenir> ah ok
[18:46] <Kilos> hi Hodgestar long time no hear
[18:46] <Hodgestar> Hi.
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please
[18:48] <Mezenir> inetpro do you work securing production systems using LAMP ?
[18:48] <Mezenir> do work8
[18:48] <Mezenir> do work *
[18:49] <inetpro> Mezenir: partly
[18:49]  * inetpro is a jack of all trades and master of none
[18:49] <inetpro> at least that is what it feels like many times
[18:49] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:49] <Kilos> you do alright for an old man
[18:49] <Mezenir> but i dont think you can know everything ?
[18:50] <inetpro> systems admin is such a wide ranging field
[18:50] <inetpro> this afternoon I was troubleshooting a terrible power failure
[18:52] <inetpro> I think I started working with Apache around 1997
[18:52] <Kilos> mind those things bite back
[18:53] <Mezenir> ah
[18:53] <Mezenir> so you know how to secure it by now
[18:54] <inetpro> in those days we compiled everything from scratch, choosing components at compile time
[18:54] <Mezenir> hardcore
[18:55] <Mezenir> but the less there is the less can go wrong
[18:55] <inetpro> lots of fun and games
[18:55] <Mezenir> which is one of the things i dont like about xampp
[18:55] <Mezenir> too many extras
[18:56] <inetpro> Mezenir: exactly
[18:56] <Mezenir> for production anyway
[18:57] <Mezenir> you ever compile gcc ?
[18:57] <inetpro> Mezenir: yep
[18:57] <inetpro> now you bring back memories
[18:57] <Mezenir> lol
[18:57] <Mezenir> there are so many options
[18:57] <Mezenir> seems overwhelming
[18:58] <Mezenir> the config options that is
[18:58] <inetpro> like starting off with a binary version to compile the full version
[19:01] <Mezenir> sleepy time for me
[19:01] <Mezenir> gnite all
[19:02] <inetpro> hmm... bye mez[tab]
[19:03] <magespawn> I installed it to see what mercury was like
[19:05] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight
[19:05] <Kilos> see you morrow night
[19:05] <magespawn> Seems like a lot of people use w3schools
[19:05] <magespawn> Night  kilos
[19:06] <inetpro> I think my first experience with a web server was with Netscape Enterprise Server 1 on a Sun Microsystems SPARCstation 20
[19:07] <magespawn> That  sounds like it comes from the dark ages
[19:08] <inetpro> :-)
[19:11] <magespawn> Woo hho my adsl  price cut is active this month cool
[19:14] <nuvolari> hmm, does anyone know how to disable this horrible new slides in gnome? 
[19:14] <nuvolari> *sliders
[19:14] <nuvolari> *scrollbars
[19:58] <magespawn> No idea
[20:20] <superfly> magespawn: ISP?
[20:34] <inetpro> nuvolari: what's wrong with them sliders?
[20:36] <magespawn> superfly mweb
[20:36] <inetpro> nuvolari: you may want to see http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html
[20:36] <inetpro> I'm not sure whether that is still valid for 12.04
[20:38] <inetpro> I think it's simply a matter of removing the overlay-scrollbar package
[20:43] <superfly> magespawn: ah, OK
[20:44] <magespawn> About the only thing that has come down in price.
[21:18] <inetpro> damn!
[21:18] <inetpro> http://video.ubuntu.com/live/
[21:19] <inetpro> I wish I had both, more time and more bandwidth
[21:19] <inetpro> very interesting stuff happening at UDS
[21:20] <inetpro> good night everyone
[21:20] <superfly> night inetpro
[21:25] <magespawn> FYI   http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2012-May/009901.html