[05:41] morning === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan [08:40] good mornings [08:40] hiya inetpro [08:41] . superfly [08:42] hmm... [08:43] A Look At Why Linux Graphics Drivers Have Issues http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTE [08:44] not a lot of info in there, that graph needs a bit of explaining [08:44] wish I could be at the UDS [08:56] me too === sdehaan_ is now known as sdehaan [11:02] afternoon guys [11:02] anyone here run eclipse on ubuntu 12.04? [11:02] I get an error "java.lang.RuntimeException: Application "org.eclipse.ui.ide.workbench" could not be found in the registry." [11:03] That is on a first run of eclipse... [11:03] I've since deleted ~/.eclipse and tried again...same issue [11:03] even remove and reinstall [11:04] any ideas? [11:04] some people suggested that running "sudo eclipse" fixes this, it doesn't on my system [11:10] hihi [11:10] readingh [11:11] you definitely don't want to be running eclipse as root [11:11] it's a strange issue, quite honestly i have not yet run eclipse on ubuntu, only netbeans [11:11] well, not on 12.04 i mean [11:12] are you running openjdk or oracle java? [11:39] open jdk [11:39] I'm trying to get the android dsk going...hence eclipse [11:43] sorry, not openjdk, sun-java6-jdk [12:04] isn't that package gone? [12:04] yeah that package has been removed from the repo afaik [12:04] you can try it with jrocket as well [12:06] you are correct, apparently I have openjdk-6-jdk [12:06] installed [12:06] yeah that makes more sense [12:07] and eclipse, did you download that off the site manually? [12:07] no, install from repo [12:07] it's supposed to work out of the box then, perhaps submit a bug report? [12:08] [6~ [12:08] ah sorry [12:09] I'm bugging the guys in #eclipse-linux [12:09] hoping they can help [12:10] otherwise I'm gonna download from eclipses website and hope that works [13:04] Superhuman: I'm running Eclipse on 12.04, no issues [13:05] the downloaded package works 100% for me...so I guess I'll use that rather [13:35] weird [13:40] just got some spam about tech4africa http://tech4africa.com/ [13:40] wondering if open source will be on the agenda [15:44] Hi Anyone home [15:45] o/ [15:45] Anyone hav xperience wth drawing tablet. [16:10] hey all [16:34] yo Mezenir [16:34] hey superfly [16:34] do you have much experience with xampp ? [16:36] Mezenir: I'm afraid not. I've only ever set up a proper Linux/Apache/etc/etc server [16:37] yeah [16:37] i like xampp coz its self contained [16:37] but apparently not very secure [17:18] Good evening everyone. [17:19] hiya WOLFEYES [17:20] heya Owkkuri [17:25] Nite everyone, see you all again. [17:58] Howdy all [18:00] Wow the room is getting really big [18:07] good evening [18:07] Mezenir: xampp makes things almost to easy [18:07] Hi inetpro [18:08] magespawn: hiho [18:08] I would never use it for a production environment [18:09] hey inetpro [18:09] i see you can make your installation more secure [18:09] by using the security argument to the binary [18:09] but i take it thats not enough ? [18:09] xampp can make life easy if you want to set up a quick working environment for test purposes [18:09] But it is nice to play around with in xp [18:10] evening all of you [18:10] Hi Kilos [18:10] most articles ive read online say it shouldnt be used for production [18:10] hi kilos and magespawn [18:10] they recommend zend thou [18:10] Hi Mezenir [18:10] heh Kilos [18:10] i liked xampp because it comes with all the libraries it needs [18:10] wb [18:11] lol ty my friend [18:11] to it will probably work on old systems with little difficulty [18:11] so* [18:11] not often i come on here and something is actually happening [18:12] gonna rain methinks [18:12] I have it running on a windows xp machine here at home, [18:12] xampp is like a boxed solution for those who will never apreciate all the intricasies of all the integrated pieces [18:14] almost like implementing a DNS server from a working example without ever reading and understanding the details [18:14] true [18:14] I agree with that one but it does run on that other os so I can run it at home on the same pc that the kids play on [18:15] :-) [18:15] but truly getting to know those intricacies can take years ? [18:15] hallo [18:15] nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari pieter@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 55 seconds ago [18:15] nuvolari: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell nuvolari mailto:ceo@vodacom.co.za" 22 hours, 35 minutes and 1 second ago [18:15] hi nuvolari [18:16] ah, thanks oom [18:16] naand oom kilos [18:16] Hi nuvolari [18:16] hi magespawn [18:16] alweer. het nie geweet wanneer jy weer hier is nie [18:16] * nuvolari on ssh on phone [18:17] im a bit slow [18:17] a bit? [18:17] Hah [18:17] ja oom, nie so vinnig om te tik nie [18:18] lol [18:18] wassup magespawn [18:18] that's the advantage of text irc clients [18:19] launch once, use anywhere [18:19] well, nearly everywhere [18:19] Brb putting the fish to bed [18:19] ok [18:19] inetpro, what happened now you run outa info [18:20] Kilos: you want more? [18:20] ya as it said some read but dont understand [18:21] thats me [18:21] hi mikeit [18:22] aw missed nlsthzn [18:23] Kilos: I was just responding based on a question from Mezenir to superfly [18:23] ok you forgiven [18:23] hi superfly [18:23] lol [18:24] I must say I was pretty impressed when I first tried xampp [18:24] what does it do? [18:24] not in my repos [18:25] its a combination of apache mysql php perl [18:26] what does all of that do/ [18:26] that is very easy to install [18:26] it allows you to serve web pages [18:26] oh ty [18:27] dynamic web pages programmed in php [18:27] XAMPP is an easy to install Apache distribution containing MySQL, PHP and Perl. [18:27] the x stands for cross platform [18:27] typically used on Windows [18:27] but its not meant for production [18:28] thou im not sure why [18:28] there are tools that allow you to set passwords [18:28] The philosophy behind XAMPP is to build an easy to install distribution for developers to get into the world of Apache [18:29] To make it convenient for developers XAMPP is configured with all features turned on [18:29] inetpro, are you copy/pasting? [18:29] yeah i read that [18:29] ha ha ha [18:30] Kilos: yep, much easier and more accurate :-) [18:30] hes sneeky at times [18:30] taken from the xampp website itself [18:30] but the site also speaks of security features [18:30] xampp is for you clever guys [18:31] Mezenir: most guys won't go to the level of securing stuffs once they see it working [18:35] yeah inet [18:35] but im a bit obsessive that way [18:36] i guess the best way is just to go through all the security docs for apache mysql and php [18:36] is that what you meant by the intricacies ? [18:36] kilos : xampp is nice if you want to make something quickly for private use [18:37] without struggling to set up your environment [18:37] or for testing [18:37] ah but for webpages or sites? [18:38] well the nice thing about php is it allows you to dynamically generate content [18:38] by reading from the mysql database [18:38] thats why they go well together [18:39] and based on user input and other sources [18:39] php generates the pages [18:39] Mezenir: not only apache mysql and php [18:39] which are served by the apache web server [18:40] i cant even get through the LPI manual [18:40] inetpro : i guess its years then [18:40] there are a lot of components that just magically work together with no effort in configuration [18:40] Apache, MySQL, PHP + PEAR, Perl, mod_php, mod_perl, mod_ssl, OpenSSL, phpMyAdmin, Webalizer, Mercury Mail Transport System for Win32 and NetWare Systems v3.32, Ming, FileZilla FTP Server, mcrypt, eAccelerator, SQLite, and WEB-DAV + mod_auth_mysql [18:40] kilos : you dont have to know a lot to make basic web pages / sites [18:41] i used yola [18:41] and had help from friends [18:41] by installing xampp and reading a few tutorials on www.w3schools.com [18:41] you can get far [18:42] Mezenir, rember that and when i get a good internet connection ojne day i will go through it [18:42] one [18:42] yeah sorry i forget [18:43] np its part of life [18:43] whats yola ? [18:44] i get pleasure outa you guys going on about things even though half i dont understand [18:44] yola make sites [18:44] ah ok [18:44] \yolasite.com i think [18:44] one of the guys here is involved with them [18:45] ah ok [18:46] hi Hodgestar long time no hear [18:46] Hi. [18:47] inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please [18:48] inetpro do you work securing production systems using LAMP ? [18:48] do work8 [18:48] do work * [18:49] Mezenir: partly [18:49] * inetpro is a jack of all trades and master of none [18:49] at least that is what it feels like many times [18:49] hehe [18:49] you do alright for an old man [18:49] but i dont think you can know everything ? [18:50] systems admin is such a wide ranging field [18:50] this afternoon I was troubleshooting a terrible power failure [18:52] I think I started working with Apache around 1997 [18:52] mind those things bite back [18:53] ah [18:53] so you know how to secure it by now [18:54] in those days we compiled everything from scratch, choosing components at compile time [18:54] hardcore [18:55] but the less there is the less can go wrong [18:55] lots of fun and games [18:55] which is one of the things i dont like about xampp [18:55] too many extras [18:56] Mezenir: exactly [18:56] for production anyway [18:57] you ever compile gcc ? [18:57] Mezenir: yep [18:57] now you bring back memories [18:57] lol [18:57] there are so many options [18:57] seems overwhelming [18:58] the config options that is [18:58] like starting off with a binary version to compile the full version [19:01] sleepy time for me [19:01] gnite all [19:02] hmm... bye mez[tab] [19:03] I installed it to see what mercury was like [19:05] night guys sleep tight [19:05] see you morrow night [19:05] Seems like a lot of people use w3schools [19:05] Night kilos [19:06] I think my first experience with a web server was with Netscape Enterprise Server 1 on a Sun Microsystems SPARCstation 20 [19:07] That sounds like it comes from the dark ages [19:08] :-) [19:11] Woo hho my adsl price cut is active this month cool [19:14] hmm, does anyone know how to disable this horrible new slides in gnome? [19:14] *sliders [19:14] *scrollbars [19:58] No idea [20:20] magespawn: ISP? [20:34] nuvolari: what's wrong with them sliders? [20:36] superfly mweb [20:36] nuvolari: you may want to see http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/things-to-tweak-fix-after-installing.html [20:36] I'm not sure whether that is still valid for 12.04 [20:38] I think it's simply a matter of removing the overlay-scrollbar package [20:43] magespawn: ah, OK [20:44] About the only thing that has come down in price. [21:18] damn! [21:18] http://video.ubuntu.com/live/ [21:19] I wish I had both, more time and more bandwidth [21:19] very interesting stuff happening at UDS [21:20] good night everyone [21:20] night inetpro [21:25] FYI http://mail.python.org/pipermail/pypy-dev/2012-May/009901.html