[00:01] <t0rx__> anyone know how to drop to a busybox prompt from the "enter passphrase" prompt for an encrypted drive?
[00:05] <GridCube> nope
[01:20] <alex__> hello.  I'm trying to set up Xubuntu to resume for suspended mode by using the mouse or keyboard instead of using the power button, I couldn't find anything in power settings.
[01:31] <craigbass1976> I've gotten rid of unity with a "sudo apt-get remove unity unity-2d unity-2d-panel unity-2d-spread unity-asset-pool unity-services unity-lens-files unity-lens-music unity-lens-applications gir1.2-unity-5.0 unity-common indicator-sound indicator-power indicator-appmenu libindicator7 indicator-application indicator-datetime indicator-messages libnux-2.0-0 nux-tools libunity-misc4 unity-2d-common"  I still a unity-ish looki
[01:31] <craigbass1976> ng login screen.  I'm more apt to live with this than with the drum sound at the login.  How on earth do I get rid of that?
[01:33] <Unit193> dpkg -l |grep ubuntu-sounds  see if that comes up with anything.
[01:33] <Unit193> Also, the login is "unity-greeter" and Xubuntu uses something else.
[01:33] <Unit193> lightdm-gtk-greeter
[01:33] <craigbass1976> Unit193, something didn't make the transition then when I installed xubuntu-desktop
[01:36] <Unit193> Did you copy that into a terminal?
[01:37] <craigbass1976> ii  ubuntu-sounds
[01:37] <Unit193> sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-sounds   in a terminal.
[01:38] <craigbass1976> If I ever get hold of that drummer...
[01:39] <craigbass1976> Unit193, thanks; I've got to try it out
[01:46] <p-cHAN> Hello boys. MyXubuntu precise is very heavy on my machine. How I can solve it? My old pc is a atom with 1gb of ram with intel graphics card
[01:47] <Unit193> Disable any unwanted or needed services/programs on startup.
[01:48] <p-cHAN> Unit193: give me suggestions. I use bluetooth and I not use screensaver. Can you borrow me ram memory. I live in brazil and can you send for me?
[01:49] <p-cHAN> Gnu community
[01:49] <p-cHAN> shared  computer pieces
[01:50] <p-cHAN> hehehe
[01:50] <Unit193> Did you disable the screensaver then?
[01:50] <Unit193> Also, you could try #ubuntu-es or #xubuntu-es if you'd like support in Spanish better.
[01:51] <p-cHAN> Unit193: I understand better engish
[01:52] <p-cHAN> I think I go back to 10.04. Its have server support yet
[01:53] <Unit193> Would still be better to be on current though.
[01:58] <p-cHAN> |Slacker|: Why are you in xubuntu chat? You must support slackware
[01:59] <|Slacker|> p-cHAN, I used to use slackware but dropped it for ubuntu/xubuntu
[01:59] <|Slacker|> I'm too lazy to register another nick :p
[01:59] <p-cHAN> |Slacker|: Xubuntu is really easy, but, need offline installer from PCBSD
[02:01] <|Slacker|> why you say that? the installer seems good to me
[02:01] <Unit193> Alternate and desktop installers work for me™
[02:03] <p-cHAN> |Slacker|: I need puredata extended but I don't know compile. iT is very hard for me
[02:03] <|Slacker|> i see
[02:37] <REK_007> is there any tool to monitor frequency of cpu and then change it on a fly ... like the one I had on GNOME ubuntu .
[03:00] <red_> hi installing latest xubuntu
[03:01] <red_> got a question about vmplayer
[03:01] <red_> anyone have any experience with it?
[03:03] <red_> youse guys enjoy your evening, or morning, or whatever the heck time it is wherever you are
[03:18] <xoolander> an OS for ants!
[03:18] <xoolander> its got to be at least 3 times bigger
[03:19] <xoolander> is there a way to refresh the list of wireless networks without rebooting?
[03:21] <Cyberspaceloa> haha
[03:21] <Cyberspaceloa> the derek xoolander OS for kids who can't compute good?
[03:46] <xubuntu817> I installed xubuntu using the CD, but my computer still always boots into vista
[03:46] <xubuntu817> Though if I boot again with the CD in, it does detect that I had previously installed
[03:46] <xubuntu817> how can I get it to allow me to choose each time I boot
[03:47] <Unit193> Try holding left shift as the computer boots, or meybe grub didn't install?
[03:47] <xubuntu817> I'll try the left shift thing
[03:48] <Unit193> !grub
[03:48] <xubuntu817> I believe though that grub didn't install
[03:48] <xubuntu817> can you think of any reason why it wouldn't install?
[03:49] <xubuntu817> I  just went with the default install options all the way
[03:49] <xubuntu817> thanks for the links though:)
[03:49] <xubuntu817> and I didn't install windows over it, or anything like that
[03:50] <Unit193> Not offhand, but there is a easy enough way to fix in one of the links.
[03:51] <xubuntu817> Ok I'll give it a shot, thanks.
[03:52] <Unit193> (First one recommends you install boot-repair)
[04:04] <xubuntu277> Ok so I'm trying to use boot repair so I can maybe boot into xubuntu and not just vista, and I encountered something
[04:04] <xubuntu277> it says:
[04:04] <xubuntu277> the sda2 (windows recovery environment) partition is nearly full
[04:04] <xubuntu277> and I should delete files
[04:04] <xubuntu277> however I am hesitant to do so
[04:04] <xubuntu277> what do you recommend?
[04:06] <Unit193> It's always nearly full, from what I remember.
[04:08] <xubuntu277> o in that case I guess I'll ignore the error?
[04:12] <Unit193> From what I remember.
[04:16] <holstein> i would go look, and if its not full, ignore the error
[04:34] <xubuntu000> Hi, I installed xubuntu (computer also has vista) but it wouldn't boot into xubuntu.  After running "boot repair", it does indeed boot into xubuntu, however I have lost the ability to boot into vista.
[04:35] <xubuntu000> I'm thinking of taking my machine to a computer repair shop but if anyone has any other suggestions I'd be open
[04:48] <hmmmm> what logon manager does xubuntu use?
[05:01] <Unit193> hmmmm: Lightdm.
[05:01] <hmmmm> thanks
[05:02] <Unit193> As of 11.10.
[05:02] <hmmmm> i like it
[05:02] <hmmmm> wait, how do i find my version of ubuntu?
[05:04] <Unit193> xubuntu000 needs to run something like update-grub, or os-prober.
[05:05] <Unit193> lsb_release -a
[05:05] <hmmmm> ah yes, this is 11.10
[05:05] <hmmmm> hmm, so i think this lightdm might replace slim on my other systems
[05:05] <Unit193> The theme is better in 12.04. ;)
[05:06] <warhell> i am enjyoing xubuntu 12.04 my self, i do want xfce 4.10 tho
[05:07] <hmmmm> i believe that xubuntu is the closest thing to a unified, standard Linux desktop distribution
[05:07] <hmmmm> if there is such a thing
[05:07] <hmmmm> this is the only Linux distro i'd use
[05:08] <warhell> its nice light weight and so forth, tho i used almost all the ubuntu's lubuntu is fast tho.
[05:08] <warhell> but kinda lacks in easier options that xubuntu makes up for.
[05:10] <hmmmm> hmm
[05:11] <hmmmm> is this Lightdm something brand new?
[05:11] <warhell> nice
[05:11] <warhell> i found a deb file for it
[05:11] <warhell> hehe
[05:11] <hmmmm> it seems to be Linux-only at this time
[05:11] <hmmmm> :(
[05:13] <warhell> i gotta reboot
[08:23] <Fableflame> Anybody having sound issues with 12.04?
[08:24] <knome> !anybody
[08:24] <Fableflame> !details
[08:25] <Fableflame> !gq
[08:26] <warhell> im not
[08:26] <knome> Fableflame, if you want to search the bot, please do it in query; /msg ubottu
[08:26] <Fableflame> !poll
[08:42] <Fableflame> I seem to have lost all sound in Xubuntu 12.04. I was on YouTube with Chromium when it first happened, but I also have no sound in FireFox and Gmusicbrowser. I've tried looking in Alsamixer but everything seems fine there. I also tried looking in PulseAudio Volume Control but couldn't find any problems.
[08:58] <linuxfreaker> Hi Guys
[08:58] <linuxfreaker> I need help regarding UEFI mode installation for Ubuntu 11.04 on Dell hardware
[08:59] <linuxfreaker> Its not able to get install and proceed after GRUB menu during the installation
[09:13] <Fableflame> I seem to have lost all sound in Xubuntu 12.04. I was on YouTube with Chromium when it first happened, but I also have no sound in FireFox and Gmusicbrowser. I've tried looking in Alsamixer but everything seems fine there. I also tried looking in PulseAudio Volume Control but couldn't find any problems.
[09:52] <ochosi> Fableflame: if it's not a software-problem then it's hard to help...
[09:52] <Fableflame> ochosi, it has to be a software problem, I didn't have any sound issues until today after installing Xubuntu.
[09:54] <ochosi> Fableflame: if all channels are unmuted and you see the progress-bar in pavucontrol jumping up and down while you play back stuff, then i'm not sure i can help
[09:54] <ochosi> have you set the port in output-device to the correct output in pavucontrol?
[09:55] <Fableflame> Right now the port is set to headphones, since I have a set plugged in
[09:55] <ochosi> yeah, that should be fine
[09:57] <Fableflame> Odd, I now have sound again, even though I haven't changed anything.
[11:59] <xwalk_> Is there no sudo auth needed for package updates any longer through the package manager?
[12:00] <xwalk_> I haven't had to authenticate since the initial install for updates.
[12:27] <xubuntu857> hi
[13:17] <xxxx8888> hi folks
[13:18] <xxxx8888> trying to upgrade to 12.04 from 11.10
[13:18] <xxxx8888> running into some issues
[13:18] <xxxx8888> bit a noobie to linux
[13:18] <ochosi> what's the problem?
[13:19] <xxxx8888> first a message saying need tostop or restart xscreensaver and xlockmore
[13:19] <xxxx8888> opened terminal and "sudo killall xscreensaver"
[13:20] <xxxx8888> seemed to work
[13:20] <xxxx8888> but no such process found was the message from "sudo killall xlockmore"
[13:20] <xxxx8888> seems common bug but no fix yet
[13:21] <ochosi> xxxx8888: no that's fine, no need to kill xlockmore i think
[13:21] <xxxx8888> you think?
[13:22] <xxxx8888> everything is on this machine and the warning says i might affect the login systems
[13:22] <xxxx8888> really dont want to brick it
[13:22] <xxxx8888> but im a gambler so have clicked forward
[13:22] <xxxx8888> anyway
[13:22] <ochosi> you can test whether xlockmore is running easily: "ps -A | grep lock"
[13:23] <ochosi> if yuo don't get xlockmore there, then it's not running
[13:23] <ochosi> so no need/possibility to kill it ;)
[13:23] <xxxx8888> kk will check that
[13:24] <xxxx8888> next im getting this window that is telling me everything using nss needs killing
[13:24] <xxxx8888> i dont know what that is
[13:25] <ochosi> !nss
[13:25] <ochosi> ubottu also doesn't know anything about it
[13:26] <xxxx8888> have an input box :services to restart GNU libc library upgrade
[13:26] <ochosi> xxxx8888: mind to simply post a screenshto?
[13:26] <xxxx8888> i assume its secure sign in libraries
[13:27] <xxxx8888> where would you like me to post said screenshot?
[13:27] <ochosi> it's some network security service libraries
[13:27] <xxxx8888> thought so
[13:27] <ochosi> e.g. imagebin.org
[13:27] <xxxx8888> have i got a built innscrengrabber on this xubuntu thingammy then
[13:27] <Gape> Hello, how do I change back touchpad two finger tap to middle click
[13:27] <xxxx8888> screengrabber
[13:28] <Gape> (in 11.10 tapping the touchpad with two fingers meant middle click, in 12.04 it changed to right click. I want it back to middle click)
[13:29] <xxxx8888> yes found it
[13:29] <ochosi> Gape: have you looked at the mouse settings dialog?
[13:30] <Gape> Yes, it doesn't seem to have any setting related to it. (Hold on,
[13:30] <Gape> I'll check again in a minute, I'm on my desktop computer atm)
[13:30] <ochosi> Gape: if not, you might have to install a programme like tpconfig
[13:32] <Gape> Ok, you probably mean settings manager -> Mouse and Touchpad. That has no settings regarding tapping with multiple fingers (only option to disable 'Tap touchpad to click')
[13:34] <ochosi> Gape: right, i couldnt test whether that setting exists because i don't have a multi-touch-enabled touchpad
[13:34] <xxxx8888> right then the images are up on imagebin
[13:35] <xxxx8888> latest set "groitswitch"
[13:35] <xxxx8888> one of terminal -one of help/ message thinagmmy
[13:38] <Gape> I just checked tpconfig in ubuntu software center, from the comments it seems it's only command line program to configure other programs, which doesn't seem much use. Do you know if xubuntu uses synaptics touchpad driver?
[13:40] <xxxx8888> was trying to test if xlockmore was running and the command is confusing me
[13:40] <ochosi> xxxx8888: i need a link to that image, thousands of people post images on imagebin every day...
[13:41] <xxxx8888> its the first one on the page labelled groitswitch
[13:41] <xxxx8888> but will link it
[13:41] <ochosi> Gape: that depends on your touchpad. if it's a synaptics touchpad, then yes (drivers go via kernel and xorg, nothing xubuntu-specific)
[13:42] <xxxx8888> http://imagebin.org/211659
[13:42] <xxxx8888> and http://imagebin.org/211660
[13:42] <xxxx8888> second one shows terminal
[13:43] <ochosi> xxxx8888: right, but what's the specific problem? are you actively using rsync, cups or cron at the moment?
[13:44] <xxxx8888> absolutely no idea
[13:44] <xxxx8888> wouldnt know what they were if they jumped up and slapped me
[13:44] <xxxx8888> the issue was mainly the xlockmore one
[13:44] <xxxx8888> and i dont understand the check command that was indicated
[13:45] <xxxx8888> ps -A"vertical line" ...
[13:45] <xxxx8888> what is the vertical line
[13:46] <xxxx8888> i am cluelessas far as linux goes
[13:47] <xxxx8888> you are doing very well if i can make it work because im a fucking idiot
[13:47] <Gape> ochosi: Thanks, I was able to change it easily via synclient [command]
[13:49] <xxxx8888> ???? still wouldlike to check whether xlockmore is running tobe sure
[13:50] <xxxx8888> alt win doesnt workas my third evel key chooser
[13:50] <REK_007> |
[13:50] <xxxx8888> level
[13:50] <REK_007> this is the vertical line
[13:51] <REK_007> xxxx8888: <command> | <command>
[13:51] <xxxx8888> yes i can see the key but dont now te third evle key chooser
[13:52] <xxxx8888> on linux
[13:52] <xxxx8888> what is it default in buntu?
[13:52] <xxxx8888> see i am idiot
[13:53] <REK_007> can you tell me what are you trying to achieve
[13:53] <REK_007> i see you trying to look at the process list
[13:54] <REK_007> if you are trying to highlight out one particular process then
[13:54] <xxxx8888> i want to check if xloxkmore is still running- but allcombinations i can remember wont give me the 3rd level key choser
[13:54] <REK_007> ps -A | grep <name>
[13:54] <xxxx8888> so i cant type the vertical line thigammy
[13:54] <ochosi> xxxx8888: copy-paste?
[13:55] <xxxx8888> it would benice to have it working
[13:55] <REK_007> shift+key where it has it
[13:55] <xxxx8888> that would workif copy paste worked in this chat program
[13:55] <xxxx8888> it dont
[13:55] <REK_007> ohh 3rd level.. then sorry I dont know
[13:55] <xxxx8888> arse
[13:55] <xxxx8888> not u
[13:56] <xxxx8888> just swearing
[13:56] <REK_007> hmm
[13:56] <ochosi> !language
[13:56] <ochosi> ;)
[13:56] <REK_007> what program are you using which doesnt let copying?
[13:56] <xxxx8888> xchat
[13:56] <ochosi> ok, gotta leave now, good luck xxxx8888
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[13:57] <REK_007> xxxx8888:  just select the part you want to copy and right click and copy iy
[13:57] <REK_007> it*
[13:57] <penreturns> works fine ;)
[13:57] <REK_007> ctrl+c wont work AFAIK
[13:57] <REK_007> yeah it works penreturns .. I too use xchat and irssi extensively :) both support copy pasting
[13:58] <xxxx8888> done, saved text option located nd deployed
[13:58] <REK_007> good :)
[13:58] <penreturns> ;)
[13:58] <xxxx8888> but that isnt copy paste is it?
[13:58] <penreturns> hello from malaysia :)
[13:58] <REK_007> hello penreturns ...
[13:59] <nicklas__> can you install dropbox in xubuntu/xfce from package manager without getting nautilus/gnome desktop pulled?
[13:59] <REK_007> xxxx8888: yeah its controversial ;)
[14:00] <penreturns> hello
[14:00] <xxxx8888> everything in linux always is
[14:00] <xxxx8888> so desperate to not be windows.....
[14:00] <xxxx8888> dont get me wrong i hate windows
[14:01] <xxxx8888> but linux has ientity complex
[14:01] <astraljava> Ok ok, this is well outside of the topic for this channel. Take it to -offtopic, please.
[14:01] <xxxx8888> yes mum
[14:02] <penreturns> im using xubuntu voyager, n looks like dropbox hv an issue... theres no option to get publick link
[14:02] <magnus> hi - how do I change the theme in Xubuntu? Can't see a shortcut?
[14:02] <REK_007> xxxx8888: put in a suggestion to developers :)
[14:02] <REK_007> magnus: Menu>Settings>settings manager>apperance
[14:02] <magnus> REK_007: thank you
[14:03] <nicklas__> i need dropbox
[14:03] <xxxx8888> this is the output from terminal fromthe "ps -A grep lock" command
[14:03] <xxxx8888> 18 ?        00:00:00 kblockd
[14:03] <REK_007> magnus: You are welcome
[14:03] <xxxx8888> is that stopped?
[14:03] <REK_007> if it shows up on ps list then its running xxxx8888
[14:03] <REK_007> you can do "top" to check it on real time
[14:03] <REK_007> check process list*
[14:04] <xxxx8888> where is that?
[14:04] <nicklas__> penreturns: or what is xubuntu manager?
[14:04] <xxxx8888> please remember i am idiot
[14:04] <nicklas__> sorry, meant voyager penreturns
[14:04] <laite> nicklas__: you can, just install package 'nautilus-dropbox' - despite its name it only suggests nautilus to be installed, not require it
[14:05] <xxxx8888> the suggested command doesnt give me a list it just outputs the above line
[14:05] <xxxx8888> 18 ?        00:00:00 kblockd
[14:06] <penreturns> its still xubuntu, maybe it just a theme, complete with all installed apps,..
[14:06] <penreturns> can found it here http://voyager.legtux.org/
[14:06] <xxxx8888> ho hum
[14:06] <REK_007> xxxx8888: if the process shows up on "ps" command then its active
[14:07] <xxxx8888> right then jow do i kill it?
[14:07] <xxxx8888> how
[14:07] <REK_007> kill <PID>
[14:07] <xxxx8888> just type that?
[14:07] <nicklas__> laite: you are sure? and the same for kubuntu?
[14:08] <xxxx8888> this is from the upgrade manager that i got here asking...
[14:08] <xxxx8888> not my fault im an idiot
[14:08] <nicklas__> laite: it doesnt pull nautilus and gnome desktop automatically?
[14:08] <REK_007> xxxx8888: yeah just type in that should work
[14:09] <nicklas__> laite: and it will work?
[14:09] <laite> nicklas__: don't know for kubuntu, but at least on xubuntu you can install without gnome/nautilus
[14:09] <laite> works for me :)
[14:09] <REK_007> xxxx8888: well am a beginner as well :) got on Xubuntu yesterday itself
[14:09] <xxxx8888> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[14:09] <nicklas__> laite: then it should work in kubuntu though, logically
[14:09] <laite> yeah, I guess so
[14:09] <xxxx8888> thats what i get from kill <PID>
[14:10] <nicklas__> laite: thank you very much
[14:10] <laite> nicklas__: np
[14:10] <REK_007> xxxx8888: you have to replace <PID> with the number ID of the process you want to kill
[14:10] <nicklas__> laite: well then, how exactly did you install it? you chose the package, and chose not to pull nautilus or what?
[14:10] <xxxx8888> what about a taskmanager gui? where i can just lidst the processes and kill what i want?
[14:11] <REK_007> xxxx8888: thats also ther
[14:11] <xxxx8888> thats not what you said
[14:11] <xxxx8888> so the process number is 18?
[14:11] <REK_007> Menu>System>System monitor >process tab
[14:11] <REK_007> yeah process ID is 18
[14:13] <laite> nicklas__: you can install it from synaptic package manager, 'nautilus-dropbox', and for me it installed some python-libraries (total of ~1.5Mb) and that's it - however, dropbox has its own 'installer/setup' you have to run, but xubuntu will inform you about that
[14:13] <xxxx8888> xxxx8888@xxxx8888-Milano:~/Desktop$ kill <P18>
[14:13] <xxxx8888> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `newline'
[14:13] <xxxx8888> xxxx8888@xxxx8888-Milano:~/Desktop$ kill <18>
[14:13] <xxxx8888> bash: syntax error near unexpected token `18'
[14:13] <xxxx8888> no
[14:13] <xxxx8888> doesnt work
[14:13] <REK_007> xxxx8888: kill 18
[14:13] <REK_007> this is the command
[14:14] <xxxx8888> hy put the box round it
[14:14] <REK_007> when its written <value> means replace the "<value>" with your required stuff
[14:14] <xxxx8888> you guys have your own language to identify what your trying to tellme- without the phrasebook
[14:14] <xxxx8888> this is why linux is not taking off
[14:15] <xxxx8888> as it should
[14:15] <xxxx8888> to much inspeak or knowledge of programming rquired
[14:15] <REK_007> xxxx8888: well am sorry.These are general conventions .
[14:15] <REK_007> xxxx8888: try  "kill 18"
[14:15] <xxxx8888> bash: kill: (18) - Operation not permitted
[14:16] <REK_007> xxxx8888: "sudo kill 18"
[14:16] <xxxx8888> general conventions in the programming community....
[14:16] <xxxx8888> seems to have worked
[14:17] <xxxx8888> thanks sorry for the communication issues
[14:17] <REK_007> hmm not an issue with that xxxx8888
[14:17] <REK_007> your welcome
[14:18] <xxxx8888> we sahll see when i finish the upgrade- and i amlearning the conventions as i go
[14:18] <REK_007> xxxx8888: am suer you will pick them up on the way :)
[14:18] <REK_007> sure*
[14:18] <xxxx8888> ty have a good day
[14:19] <laite> not really an support issue, but where I could get information about what effects to xubuntu (in long run) I should expect for installing newer kernel than official
[14:20] <laite> Since my graphics gard needed kernel 3.3 for HDMI-audio I installed 3.3.5 from kernel.ubuntu.com
[14:25] <nicklas__> laite: ok
[14:25] <nicklas__> ty
[14:25] <REK_007> laite: didnt the drivers of the card work ?
[14:26] <laite> REK_007: proprietary drivers? Not really, they seemed to work really randomly and mostly not at all :/
[14:26] <REK_007> laite: yeah which make you using?
[14:26] <REK_007> I have not tested on xubuntu but on ubuntu they used to work fine for me
[14:27] <laite> REK_007: make?
[14:27] <REK_007> ati or nvidia?
[14:27] <laite> oh, sorry - ATI
[14:28] <REK_007> ohh then cant help now .. sold my ATI about a month back :P
[14:28] <laite> :)
[14:29] <laite> HDMI audio worked if my TV was on during boot, but not if I switched TV on when xubuntu was already running - unless I took the cable off and put it back in again
[14:29] <laite> but I thought it was too much of a trouble, and tried a lot of things during couple of days until finally switched to newer kernel
[14:29] <REK_007> well from my experience so far on xubuntu .. audio depatment needs serious tweaking
[14:30] <REK_007> well I am noob ... so i really cant say how to fix it or tweak it :P
[14:31] <laite> yeah, I'm not too much of a pro myself =D
[14:47] <baizon> laite: what model?
[15:04] <laite> baizon: It's ATI Radeon HD6250, on Acer Aspire One 722 laptop
[15:06] <laite> It worked perfectly with proprietary drivers on Linux Mint 12, but unfortunately I have no idea of program versions etc.
[15:17] <xubuntu206> anyone here?
[15:17] <holstein> xubuntu206: just ask :)
[15:19] <xubuntu206> wow)) just wanted to ask, if anybody had an experience of using xubuntu on samsung netbooks, such as n148?
[15:20] <holstein> xubuntu206: i would try it live.. that'll give you an idea of the support... you can look at the hardware (which is likely intel) and is usually well supporte out of the box
[15:23] <xubuntu206> i've already almost installed it, now trying to google-out the Fn-button problem, to make screen brightness control etc possible  :)
[15:24] <xubuntu206> as for hw support, everything seems to work just out-of-box. it's amazing (:
[15:25] <manuee> ahoy everyone
[15:25] <manuee> is there any partition editor program in xubuntu?
[15:25] <manuee> something like gparted
[15:25] <holstein> manuee: gparted is "in" xubuntu
[15:26] <manuee> you mean you can install it holstein right
[15:26] <manuee> i didnt get it on a fresh install
[15:26] <manuee> 12.04
[15:26] <holstein> manuee: if you want it... otherwise, just open the package manger of your choice and search for a partition manager
[15:26] <manuee> well, im install ing it now
[15:26] <manuee> thnx =)
[15:26] <holstein> manuee: i just have it.. and i dont remember if its default, or if i insatlled it
[15:27] <holstein> installed*
[15:27] <manuee> yup
[15:27] <xubuntu206> live-usb image has gparted, afaik
[15:29] <manuee> i always get freaked out when i have to install something bult for gnome
[15:29] <manuee> not entirely sure if i should at all but anyway
[15:29] <manuee> hehe
[15:38] <aquix>  manuee  anything in the repos is free to install and is most likely an gnome app.
[15:38] <manuee> right
[15:39] <manuee> i get confused with window managers compatibility and perfomance implications
[15:39] <manuee> heh
[15:39] <manuee> totaly loving xubuntu thouhg
[15:40] <manuee> im actualy going to install it onmy wife's laptop instead of ubuntu
[15:40] <manuee> she'll probably notice a good performance improvement
[15:45] <aquix> yeah. I'm new to xfce too. Came from mint 11. And very happy with xubuntu.
[16:04] <n-iCe> hi
[16:17] <aquix> hello
[16:18] <midisa> help me set up the window sticky. When I turn on compiz, the window title is not active.
[16:18] <aquix> you have to enable window decoration, window resize and window move in ccsm
[16:19] <midisa> ш иу еуыештп
[16:20] <midisa> sory. i be testing
[16:20] <midisa> thank you
[16:20] <aquix> no worries
[16:21] <midisa> please get me picture, i have other labguage and not foun this option
[16:22] <aquix> btw. if compiz don't start after boot you have to use the command:      compiz --replace &
[16:22] <babble> what do you mean "get picture?" Do you want to take a screenshot?
[16:23] <midisa> no, please get me screenshot
[16:23] <midisa> i have other language and not found this option
[16:23] <aquix> midisa  press the PrtSc   or print screen button
[16:24] <babble> no, I think he's confused where the window decoration and window resize options are in his (russian?) localization of ccsm
[16:24] <aquix> then use google translate
[16:24] <midisa> yes yes russia
[16:25] <aquix> I always recommend people using english language on their computer to avoid issues like this.
[16:26] <midisa> not found this : window resize and window move
[16:27] <Marzata> aquix: me too, but sometimes ppl can't change it.
[16:27] <aquix> howcome?
[16:28] <midisa> please help me
[16:28] <Marzata> aquix: working in the public administration in non-english speaking country for example :)
[16:28] <Marzata> midisa: what do you need help for?
[16:29] <aquix> midisa   декор окна   ?
[16:29] <midisa> да
[16:29] <aquix> Marzata fair enough :)
[16:29] <aquix> brb smokes
[16:29] <midisa> помогите пожалуйста
[16:29] <midisa> не могу найти эти опции
[16:29] <Marzata> какие опции?
[16:30] <midisa> может через командную строку как то можно
[16:30] <Marzata> ах, а у его интефейс по русский, да?
[16:30] <midisa> да
[16:30] <midisa> window resize and window move
[16:30] <Marzata> не надо
[16:30] <midisa> изменение размера окна
[16:30] <Marzata> только английски блин, тема лебедев не читал?
[16:31] <midisa> я когда включаю компиз заголовки не акимвные и сразу уходят по верхнюю панель
[16:31] <Marzata> это в каждая програма?
[16:31] <midisa> не все
[16:31] <Marzata> мне было это только в Стеллариум.
[16:32] <midisa> некоторые отображаются по середине но заголовок все равно не активный
[16:32] <Marzata> а когда нет компиз?
[16:32] <Marzata> всё в порядке?
[16:32] <midisa> да
[16:32] <foobArrr> midisa: http://s3.imgimg.de/uploads/ccsm9a55b6b4png.png
[16:32] <midisa> но окна не вязкие
[16:34] <midisa> по картинке нашел
[16:34] <midisa> счас буду пробовать
[16:36] <AyaneForever> Why is Update Manager asking me to update Compiz when I don't use Compiz at all? Same goes with some random GNOME games? Do I have a dependency I need to get rid of somewhere?
[16:36] <midisa> foobArrr thank you !!!!
[16:36] <midisa> work fine!
[16:37] <babble> AyaneForever: have you installed something like Ubuntu Tweak?
[16:37] <aquix> foobArrr smart :)          is that dock on the right the panel?
[16:37] <AyaneForever> Yes, I do have UbuntuTweak, I use it to remove cruft
[16:37] <midisa> хе хе рано радовался
[16:37] <AyaneForever> Is that why?
[16:37] <babble> Ubuntu Tweak depends on Compiz
[16:37] <babble> (so it can configure the compiz bits it knows to config)
[16:38] <midisa> окна работают а окно настроек нет
[16:38] <midisa> помогите пожалуйста разобраться
[16:38] <midisa> please help me
[16:38] <midisa> setup windows not active
[16:39] <midisa> other windows work fine
[16:39] <AyaneForever> OK that makes sense. I don't use it for anything except cruft, really. I don't think apt-get autoremove does that fully does it?
[16:39] <AyaneForever> I might just get rid of UbuntuTweak I'm tired of telling me I have updates when I don't.
[16:40] <foobArrr> aquix: that's avant-window-navigator
[16:41] <aquix> ok. I have to try that again. I'm running cairo
[16:41] <babble> autoremove won't remove compiz in this case.
[16:41] <babble> because it's marked as a dependency of Tweak
[16:41] <AyaneForever> well I don't have compiz
[16:41] <AyaneForever> I just removed tweak and I'm doing apt-get update
[16:41] <babble> you do, you just aren't running it
[16:42] <AyaneForever> I'm going to see if update manager still wants to install it for some reason
[16:42] <babble> if you're nuking tweak that's overkill
[16:42] <babble> imo
[16:42] <babble> but you do what works for you
[16:42] <babble> it'll be a few megs for some plugins you won't have to run - is that worth sacrificing Tweak for? If so, fair enough.
[16:43] <babble> If you just let it *install* the bits of compiz that Tweak depends on, it'll stop asking for you to update.
[16:43] <babble> again, there's no requirement that you run any of it
[16:44] <AyaneForever> I somehow missed compiz as a dependency. Just purged it, I don't want it.
[16:45] <babble> You don't want tweak or you don't want Compiz?
[16:46] <babble> If you're unwilling to install compiz at all, even without running it, okay, go ahead and get rid of Tweak
[16:46] <babble> but that still seems like overkill if Tweak is convenieent for you
[16:46] <AyaneForever> yay it's gone and not asking me to update it, thank you a ton :D I didn't want compiz and I can remove tweak since I only used it to remove cruft. I should learn how to do that via commandline anyway
[16:46] <AyaneForever> Tweak is overkill for one function I think
[16:47] <babble> you don't have to do everything Tweak does from the commandline.
[16:47] <babble> (you can do most of it in Synaptic, for one thing)
[16:47] <aquix> I find ubuntu-tweak overrated to be honest
[16:48] <babble> Tweak can be handy in that it collects a bunch of maintenance tasks in one place.
[16:48] <babble> but again, I'm completely not saying anybody *ought* to use it
[16:48] <babble> just that it *can* be useful, and that killing compiz in this case may be overkill.
[16:49] <AyaneForever> Compiz was the reason I moved to xfce, honestly. I know I'm being overkill but I just don't want it, even if it's not in use.
[16:49] <babble> *shrugs* like I said, you do what works best for you.
[16:50] <AyaneForever> thanks a ton though. and I believe that's why we're linux users, we like doing what works best for us ;)
[16:51] <aquix> choise ftw \o/
[16:51] <foobArrr> are there alternatives to compiz scale? scale is the only reason I'm using compiz.
[16:51] <aquix> same here
[16:51] <AyaneForever> I've been looking for one, too.
[16:54] <aquix> Think compiz is the only thing offering a scale feature. Or at least last time I searched for it
[16:54] <babble> so, I've got an installation of 10.04 on a second partition (for Secondlife; Xorg crashes in 12.04 for now unless I install Xorg updates from xorg-edgers which are hideously slow on my hardware.)
[16:55] <babble> When do the 10.04 repos go offline? Do I have a mirror or something I can use when that happens?
[16:55] <aquix> unless you want to use kwin, but then you have to use kde. so the bloat you save  :p
[16:55] <AyaneForever> Um... I think April 2013? I think it's 2013 for Ubuntu, but I'm not sure if it's the same for Xubuntu.
[16:56] <AyaneForever> Although I like scale a lot, I still get everything done with a dock, kupfer, and the window list in my panel. Might not be as pretty but still very usable.
[16:56] <aguitel> babble, april 2013
[16:57] <babble> ah, if they're still up for a year, I should have enough time for Xorg issues to work out then.
[16:57] <aguitel> yes
[16:58] <AyaneForever> Anyone else worried that as soon as X.org gets "fixed" Wayland will become the new standard with a new charlie foxtrot of issues lol
[16:58] <babble> now then: assuming Linden Lab drags their feets (this is likely), and it's something in LL
[16:58] <babble> LL's code (any Secondlife viewer I try crashes), do I have to worry about this come next april? Heh.
[16:58] <aquix> wayland had been on it's way since 1857 :)
[16:59] <babble> I'm fine with maintenance releases stopping as long as I can still pull stuff from a frozen repo mirror someplace.
[16:59] <foobArrr> how far along is wayland? ready for prime time soon?
[17:02] <AyaneForever> Shuttleworth thinks it's pretty close.
[17:02] <babble> (completely unreleated, it's been fun setting up Gnome 2 in 10.04 again. heh)
[17:03] <aquix> wayland reminds me of duke nukem. but don't get me wrong, I look forward to the day it's stable and released
[17:04] <babble> it will transform 3d gaming, er GUI infrastructure as we know it!
[17:05] <aquix> it's time to kick ass and install linux
[17:05] <babble> hehe
[17:08] <crond> I've lost a lot of faith in Ubuntu due to Unity
[17:08] <crond> I find it atrocious
[17:08] <crond> but that's just $0.02
[17:09] <aquix> unity and gnome-shells, don't get me started
[17:12] <babble> I've been living in Gnome Shell since 12.04
[17:12] <babble> I keep trying everything.
[17:13] <astraljava> Sorry to step in here and ruin all the fun, but please refrain from deviating this far from support issues. Chit-chat can be done on -offtopic. Thanks for understanding!
[17:13] <crond> oh sorry
[17:13] <aquix> oh sorry. I didn't know about offtopic. On my way
[17:31] <AyaneForever> Does anyone have any themes they'd recommend besides Greybird? I like greybird a lot, something simple and elementary-ish to try out?
[17:39] <knome> AyaneForever, not many support gtk3 well yet
[17:58] <ochosi> AyaneForever: and especially for gtk3.4 there aren't that many themes yet that have been ported. you can try zukitwo though
[17:59] <Unit193> I can open file-roller and get no error messages in the terminal with zuk<tab>
[18:00] <AyaneForever> Bummer. I just wish that Firefox had scrollbars sans up and down arrows like every other app. I guess I'll deal with it :P It's trivial, really.
[18:03] <aquix> I use an addon called Smoothwheel that makes scrolling a lot easier.
[18:03] <aquix> or smoother :)
[18:41] <AyaneForever> The smooth scrolling isn't an issue, I just use FF's built in smooth scrolling, I'm saying I wish the scroll bars wouldn't have the up and down arrow like other GTK3 apps. It could be solved with a theme but afaik no themes are available for FF 12 that look good with Greybird. It's fine, really.
[18:45] <Releed> Hola!
[18:46] <Releed> Folgendes... ich will auf meinem frischen xubuntu xmbc installieren. schon geschehen.. nur wenn ich es starte wird der Bildschirm einfach schwarz und bleibt schwarz, dann hilft nur noch Strom weg und neustarten... selbst wenn ich es via das Terminal starte "xmbc > ~/output.log steht NICHTS in dem logfile drinnen.. noch wer ne idee? :D
[18:50] <AyaneForever> Sorry, I don't speak German so I had to use Google Translate, which is gramatically terrible. I hope this translates right. Anyway, What video drivers if any are you using?
[18:50] <Pici> !de
[19:00] <Marzata> !ru
[19:00] <t0rx__> anyone know how I can drop to a busy box prompt at the splash screen?
[19:01] <t0rx__> after boot?
[19:02] <t0rx__> I'm working with an encrypted drive so it is at the passphrase prompt that I want a busybox shell.
[19:02] <t0rx__> Anyone?
[19:14] <Marzata> why one can't change the current user name in 12.04.? It was posible in 11.10 .
[19:15] <Releed> @AyaneForever
[19:15] <Releed> the Standard-Driver?
[19:15] <Releed> Is that wron?
[19:15] <Releed> wrong*
[19:16] <Releed> I have two video cards, onboard and a external graphics card...
[19:16] <Releed> at the moment the cable is connected to the onboard card!
[19:16] <Releed> should i remove the external card and try again?
[19:17] <warhell> I'm wondering since my desktop only has 2 gigs of ram and mobo really only supports 4 gigs which i gotta get certain type to upgrade which is lame, any way would it be fine running 64bit xubuntu or i386 with 2 gigs of ram?
[19:20] <AyaneForever> Yes?
[19:20] <AyaneForever> OMG sorry
[19:20] <AyaneForever> ummm
[19:21] <doda1> hi folks
[19:21] <doda1> where can i find an official 4.10 ppa?
[19:21] <AyaneForever> I was going to say if you have propietary drivers perhaps xbmc doesn't like them, but it sounds like you already have the open source ones. Try on board video? If that isn't working try the card.
[19:22] <AyaneForever> I don't have a whole lot of experience with xbmc so those are just educated guesses if you're having video issues. I assume everything else works, right? You can load into x and other DEs?
[19:23] <Releed> jeah x works
[19:23] <AyaneForever> Also if you are using on board video, remove the external card you might confuse xbmc what you're trying to use.
[19:23] <Releed> a okay
[19:23] <Releed> ill try this
[19:23] <AyaneForever> try that
[19:23] <Releed> ill be back soon :D
[19:23] <AyaneForever> Good luck hope that's it
[19:39] <Releed> AyaneForever
[19:39] <Releed> tried it
[19:39] <Releed> ^^
[19:39] <Releed> still black screen :D
[19:39] <AyaneForever> *sigh*
[19:39] <AyaneForever> um
[19:39] <Releed> cant i get an output to any logfile? to see where the problem is
[19:39] <AyaneForever> Unfortunately that would not be my area of expertise
[19:39] <AyaneForever> Anyone else??
[19:40] <Releed> :D
[19:41] <astraljava> Graphics are logged in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, or something like that. Not on a linux machine right now.
[20:02] <n-iCe> You like my desktop? http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05092012-030016pm.php
[20:06] <Marzata> n-iCe: wow
[20:06] <n-iCe> you like it? :D
[20:11] <doda1> n-iCe, simple and tidy with a nice wallpaper, cool
[20:13] <guest-6iYN6l> having an issue where i login and it automatically takes me back to the login screen any help would be appreciated i've tried deleting .ICEauthority with no luck
[20:15] <n-iCe> I did not get you
[20:15] <n-iCe> Not sure If I can help you though, but would like to try
[20:15] <n-iCe> After you log in, the system returns you to the login menu?
[20:16] <holstein> guest-6iYN6l: i would try as a different user
[20:16] <n-iCe> I would try removing the password at boot and setting to boot auto
[20:17] <holstein> login in tty and see if there are errors about permissions
[20:28] <guest-6iYN6l> i can login as guest
[20:29] <Unit193> Good for you?
[20:30] <guest-6iYN6l> someone asked if i could login as a different user
[20:30] <guest-6iYN6l> i can't seem to login with my main user it logs in and then takes me right back to the login screen after i enter the password
[20:31] <guest-6iYN6l> it works to login the tty but how do i check for errors?
[20:32] <Dindon_> Hi , there is a startupmanager or similar  in the repos of xubuntu pangolin 12.04?
[20:33] <holstein> guest-6iYN6l: you know its something with theuser config now
[20:33] <guest-6iYN6l> i deleted ICEauthority
[20:33] <guest-6iYN6l> .ICEauthority
[20:33] <holstein> guest-6iYN6l: cool... it'll be soemthing else then
[20:33] <guest-6iYN6l> ok thanks
[20:33] <holstein> if it were me, on my skill level i would just move things from /home til it worked
[20:34] <guest-6iYN6l> hmmm
[20:34] <guest-6iYN6l> ok
[20:34] <guest-6iYN6l> i'll be back i will try some things
[20:34] <guest-6iYN6l> thanks again
[20:35] <Dindon_> startup manager  or similar for the new  xubuntu 12.04 , there is???
[20:36] <holstein> Dindon_: yup.. should be actually in the menu somewhere called "startup" or "sessions"
[20:37] <Dindon_> the app is startupmanager not session manager
[20:37] <holstein> Dindon_: cool! enjoy its functionality :)
[20:38] <xubuntu709> hi
[20:38] <xubuntu709> I am using xunbuntu 10.4
[20:38] <holstein> 10.04*
[20:39] <xubuntu709> I was expecting the package manager to propose me to update to 12.04
[20:39] <xubuntu709> But it tell me I am up to date
[20:39] <aquix> xubuntu709  that would be a bad idea no matter what the manager say
[20:39] <Dindon_> and im using xubuntu 12.04 and hasnt the old app startupmanager
[20:40] <holstein> i would prefer a fresh insatll, but you can go from 10.04 to 12.04 xubuntu709
[20:40] <xubuntu709> aquix, how should the update be perform?
[20:40] <astraljava> xubuntu709: It will suggest you to do that when the first point release is out.
[20:40] <holstein> xubuntu709: there are settings in synaptic you can change... "show lts release" something like that
[20:40] <aquix> xubuntu709 I wouldn't do an update. I would do a fresh install over the old one
[20:40]  * holstein +1 on fresh install
[20:40] <xubuntu709> yes, the setting say show lts
[20:40] <astraljava> xubuntu709: But of course you don't have to. It's a good idea, though, when lucid faces EOL.
[20:41] <xubuntu709> EOL is in one year on the desktop
[20:42] <xubuntu709> And there won't be any other LTS in that time
[20:42] <holstein> xubuntu709: 3 years in 10.04... 5 years in 12.04
[20:42] <aquix> yeah, install 12.04 now since it's lts. Refreshing new packages comes with it :)
[20:42] <Dindon_> could i install the old app startupmanager for xubuntu oneric in xubuntu 12.04 or is a risk?
[20:42] <astraljava> xubuntu709: Yes, it'll suggest you to update to 12.04.
[20:42] <holstein> Dindon_: try it.. its a risk
[20:44] <aquix> Dindon_  what are you trying to do?
[20:44] <holstein> i see no reason to revert a startup manager
[20:47] <Releed> AyaneForever
[20:47] <Releed> it works! :D
[20:47] <AyaneForever> Yay! What was it??
[20:47] <Releed> its a 6150 se geforce, had to pick the 3d experimental driver
[20:47] <Releed> u were right
[20:47] <Releed> and! now the best is coming
[20:47] <AyaneForever> Fantastic
[20:47] <Releed> xmbc can play even 720p files with it!
[20:47] <Releed> 0o
[20:47] <Releed> what the hell :D onboard stoneage chip :D
[20:47] <Releed> i LOVE xmbc! damn shit
[20:48] <AyaneForever> haha!
[20:48] <AyaneForever> Awesome!
[20:48] <warhell> it allways crashed on me
[20:48] <warhell> or never ran right.
[20:48] <warhell> so i quit using it.
[20:48] <warhell> and just used ushare
[20:50] <gcote> I was kick out of the when chat as xubuntu709
[20:53] <gcote> I was discuting updating from 10.04 to 12.04  versu a fresh install
[20:53] <gcote> A lot of people where recommanding a fresh install
[20:53] <gcote> I asked why and I did not get your answer
[20:54] <holstein> gcote: the speed
[20:54] <holstein> gcote: you should not do anything like that anyways without backing up your data.. at that point, i think its about 5 hours faster in my experience to do a fresh install
[20:54] <gcote> holstein: why is a fresh install faster?
[20:55] <holstein> gcote: takes me about 12 minutes to install ubuntu on a modern machine.. best case, it takes an update manager less than 7 hours to upgrade
[20:55] <gcote> holstein: I have a lot of configuration, I was expecting a update to kept them, but a fresh install to erase them all
[20:55] <holstein> gcote: try them both and see for yourself
[20:56] <gcote> It would take me a lot more that 5 hours to reconfigure everything
[20:56] <holstein> gcote: you backup your /home, and put it back in place
[20:56] <holstein> gcote: as i said, try both
[20:57] <Releedd> so going to bed
[20:57] <Releedd> night! thx a lot everybody.
[20:57] <aquix> gcote  if you get troubles after an update, you can spend way more time fixing it than a fresh install would. I know it's a pain, but a fresh install forces you to make backups of your data, and that is a goos thing. Once you have a system, a fresh install can take no more than 2 hours including all settings.
[20:57] <gcote> my /home is 800m, I don't have anuthing to back it up
[20:57] <aquix> *goos means good
[20:58] <holstein> gcote: go for it!
[20:58] <holstein> gcote: i have dont both, and id rather put a stick in my eye than do an upgrade, but you'll need to learn for yourself
[20:58] <holstein> upgrades work fine (usually)
[20:59] <aquix> gcote  Don't mean backing up using a program or anything like that. Just keeping important files and paswords/bookmars and stuff copied to another disk, partition or dropbox/ubuntuone.
[21:00] <holstein> gcote: if you dnt have your data backed up, you *will* have problems at some point.. you might as well deal with that now
[21:00] <holstein> dont*
[21:01] <gcote> I have the most important data backup, but all the stuff that can be redownload is not
[21:02] <gcote> I backup about 16G on several location
[21:02] <holstein> gcote: that hard drive *will* fail
[21:02] <holstein> they all do..
[21:03] <gcote> Yes, but usually, by the time they fail, I moved data to another one
[21:03] <gcote> I got three copy of the important stuff
[21:03] <holstein> gcote: its not my data, so do what you like.. if you are saying to me "i canr reinstall because my data is not backed up" then you are asking for trouble
[21:03] <gcote> I am ok redoneloading a few thing when the hard drive fail
[21:04] <holstein> if your dats is backed up, then its backed up
[21:04] <gcote> But I was not expecting to have to do it just to do a upgrade
[21:05] <holstein> gcote: sure, and you can and should, and are AFAIK
[21:05] <holstein> gcote: if you are asking a quesiont, the answer is i and others feel a fresh install is worth it
[21:05] <gcote> If I try to upgrade, what is the procedure
[21:05] <holstein> gcote: i you are going to upgrade, go for it :)
[21:05] <aquix> remember passwords/bookmarks from the browser, your aliases in .bashrc ,    podcast opml,  conkys, scripts, icons  and maybe make a file with commands you use.
[21:06] <aquix> it's well worth getting it done :)
[21:07] <gcote> I was expecting the upgrade would just change the list of package it points to and install the latest one
[21:08] <holstein> gcote: all the latest ones are different
[21:08] <holstein> gcote: you will be downloading the new ubuntu basically and putting it in place
[21:14] <gcote> thanks for your feedback
[22:25] <bodobob> why is no easy way for  a peristence file in LiveCD
[22:26] <holstein> bodobob: i just install to USB
[22:30] <bodobob> why should by an stick, when iwill only test?!
[22:30] <bodobob> so my text: why is no easy way for a peristence file in LiveCD distro. and why does the "handmade" (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCD/Persistence) peristence file will not wil find alone at booting ubuntu, like puppy linux *.2fs file or like salix and so on? itś angry to lose after some hour "setup" this and not able to realy work with the distro!
[22:30] <bodobob> by=buy
[22:31] <holstein> bodobob: i have set up persistence before
[22:31] <bodobob> and how?
[22:31] <holstein> i dont personally see any advantage to it
[22:31] <bodobob> uare german?
[22:31] <holstein> i just install to the USB stick like normal... maybe without swap
[22:31] <holstein> bodobob: ?
[22:31] <holstein> im in the states
[22:32] <bodobob> sorry, means >"holstein" it easyer in germany for me
[22:33] <holstein> bodobob: its a german last name, and i live in the states, and i prefer an install to persistence
[22:33] <bodobob> i tested so 5 distros
[22:34] <bodobob> and ubunto & co is the only one with out option to save the first works
[22:34] <holstein> bodobob: maybe you'll contribute it
[22:34] <holstein> bodobob: i dont think its something that is on the radar as important
[22:34] <holstein> no one will care if you make an ISO with it in there and distribute
[22:35] <bodobob> :-/
[22:35] <holstein> bodobob: its not the focus of the project be default
[22:35] <bodobob> iám only a symple user
[22:35] <holstein> like i said, i set it up with persistence
[22:36] <holstein> but i prefer just installing
[22:36] <holstein> i see only persistence and other benifits to an acutal install
[22:36] <holstein> actual*
[22:37] <bodobob> i dont will risk my installed systems bevor i seen what is the right distro
[22:37] <holstein> bodobob: install to the USB stick
[22:37] <holstein> bodobob: will be no risk
[22:37] <holstein> bodobob: install GRUB on the usb as well
[22:38] <holstein> bodobob: or, use the usb creator to make a persistant area
[22:38] <bodobob> i readed must be a ext2 or mor on the falsh stick?
[22:39] <holstein> bodobob: i remember letting the usb creator do what it needed to do
[22:39] <holstein> bodobob: i think it was fat
[22:39] <holstein> bodobob: when i do the normal install, then i can choose whatever i like
[22:39] <bodobob> it is enable only to make a persi. without to install on usb flash?
[22:40] <holstein> bodobob: its enable to do what you like.. literally anything
[22:40] <bodobob> ...with the usb creator?
[22:41] <holstein> bodobob: for me, i use whatever tools i want to accomplish the goal
[22:41] <n-iCe> damn
[22:41] <n-iCe> How come xubuntu uses the same resources as Ubuntu
[22:41] <n-iCe> 700MB ram
[22:41] <n-iCe> should not be less?
[22:42] <holstein> bodobob: check out http://www.pendrivelinux.com/put-ubuntu-10-04-on-flash-drive-using-windows/ .. this should be relevant
[22:42] <bodobob> i type 4 hour today for the shi.. persid.. and at the end, nothing
[22:43] <bodobob> i readed this page today too
[22:45] <holstein> bodobob: how did it fail?
[22:45] <holstein> bodobob: what are the errors?
[22:45] <holstein> for me, if i want ubuntu on a USB stick, i just install it there.. takes like 12 mintues, and im done.. and its persistent
[22:46] <bodobob> i have now not a empty usb stick
[22:46] <holstein> bodobob: cool... i say just install ubuntu there and you'll have persistence
[22:47] <bodobob> hey, i only want test xubuntu and ot buy!
[22:47] <holstein> bodobob: cool
[22:48] <bodobob> 8-)
[22:48] <holstein> bodobob: you can temporariliy actually install it to the USB stcik
[22:48] <holstein> stick*
[22:48] <holstein> bodobob: the end result is the same
[22:48] <holstein> xubuntu is on a usb stick with persistence
[22:48] <holstein> i just find it not only easier, but with more features
[22:49] <bodobob> yes, and the installation will kill my stick, delet my salix
[22:49] <bodobob> delete*
[22:50] <holstein> bodobob: you can install it beside it
[22:50] <holstein> bodobob: you can use a different stick
[22:50] <holstein> bodobob: to make a persistent live USB, you'll need to have some free space on a USB stick anyways
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[22:50] <bodobob> o.k., i forget xubuntu or vi invest in some usb sticks (kubuntu, xubuntu, ubuntu, slick etc.
[22:52] <bodobob> i dont thrust the installer! an a message: usb will be formated..
[22:53] <bodobob> so, bedtime and thank for ur help