[00:03] <MrChrisDruif_> BluesKaj: Ghehe ^_^
[00:04] <MrChrisDruif_> Well, "almost" perfect
[00:05] <MrChrisDruif_> BluesKaj: I can't login to my own account
[00:17] <MrChrisDruif> Alright, so it seems lightdm doesn't want to be friends anymore ^_^
[02:05] <Fudge> 64 image didnt boot a desktop for me
[02:31] <imnichol> So how do I go from 12.04 to the 12.10 alpha?
[02:36] <Fudge> would my vidcard be causing a problem with this iso, [AMD] nee ATI Juniper XT [AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series]
[10:15] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[10:18] <MrChrisDruif> Hi BluesKaj
[10:26] <BluesKaj> hi MrChrisDruif , how did your 12.10 install go?
[10:27] <MrChrisDruif> BluesKaj; only lightdm stopped loving me, I dpkg-reconfigure'd gdm to make it work. Just now I've dpkg-reconfigure'd lightdm to see if it works again after using gdm
[10:30] <BluesKaj> right , lightdm has a few problems , so that's not a surprise
[10:31] <MrChrisDruif> It pretty new, so it'll probably don't handle upgrades as it should
[10:50] <Fudge> hi guys, i am hoping todays iamge will boot for me
[10:50] <Fudge> iamge
[10:50]  * Fudge gives up
[10:52] <MrChrisDruif> Fudge; I only switched sources. Only lightdm broke for me
[10:53] <Fudge> MrChrisDruif  thats pretty good all things considered
[10:54] <MrChrisDruif> Yeah
[13:30] <Daekdroom> Hm.. I haven't read a single thing yet about GTK+2 being dropped from the CD this cycle :(
[15:34] <rymate1234> boo
[15:43] <JonEdney> Windows Update, brb
[16:32] <iceroot> any news about wayland in 12.10?
[16:32] <iceroot> or more like a thing for 13.04?
[16:34] <iceroot> ah ok found it, it should work in 12.04 (german link) http://www.golem.de/news/displayserver-wayland-soll-in-ubuntu-12-10-funktionieren-1205-91717.html
[16:42] <BluesKaj> iceroot, the english translation isn't so great , btw
[16:46] <BluesKaj> i found this , http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTY
[21:41] <MrChrisDruif> BluesKaj; I'd thought you might want to know that LightDM works again ^_^
[21:42] <BluesKaj> ok , MrChrisDruif , good to know :)
[21:42] <MrChrisDruif> I do like it better then GDM, it's ugly
[21:43] <BluesKaj> never tried it myself since I was advised it's not too great with kde
[21:43] <MrChrisDruif> [However, the automatic background isn't working =(, but that didn't work before the upgrade either]
[21:47] <IdleOne> Are there any OMGwhatdidido reasons not to reboot right now?
[21:49] <IntuitiveNipple> MrChrisDruif: I found it needs the background to be changed away and back to what it is to get lightdm to 'see' it
[21:49] <IdleOne> I'll take the silence as a clear response to go ahead and reboot
[21:50] <MrChrisDruif> IntuitiveNipple; you mean taking a different one, log out and in and change it back again?
[21:50] <IntuitiveNipple> MrChrisDruif: No, log-in, change the background, change it back, log-out and it worked in lightdm for me
[21:50] <IntuitiveNipple> And I others found the same thing
[21:51] <MrChrisDruif> Alright...
[21:51] <MrChrisDruif> I'll check it out
[22:18] <kayve> So this channel is about 12.10 and not 12.04?  I guess I just updated to 12.04 and I have issues.
[22:19] <MrChrisDruif> kayve; we're 12.10
[22:19] <Debolaz> kayve: It's for 12.10.
[22:19] <MrChrisDruif> 12.04 support in #ubuntu
[22:21] <kayve> nobody ever answers in #ubuntu.  I have been there numerous times over the past years and I have never gotten an answer there.
[22:21] <Debolaz> Hehe, I know that feeling. Only fairly trivial questions are likely to be answered there.
[22:22] <Debolaz> But this is usually true for IRC in general, not that particular help channel.
[22:22] <Debolaz> *not just
[22:22] <kayve> My Classic Gnome is not acting right at all after upgrade to 12.04
[22:22] <MrChrisDruif> kayve; you *could* also try #ubuntu-beginners they offer also support for the current release, thou they are few and far between. A lot more personal attention thou
[22:23] <kayve> I have got some good answers from IRC channels.. my theory today was getting a channel with the perfect population, not too big, not too small
[22:24] <kayve> sometimes folk get downright mean in here.  then I have to just forget about it
[22:24] <Debolaz> kayve: It helps a lot to have a problem description. If you just say "I have a problem with <x>", people are not likely to bother asking why.
[22:24] <kayve> I have been told that I ask questions that are too manual-answerable.
[22:24] <kayve> I know.
[22:24] <kayve> I started with the question about version 12.04 and 12.10 that was easy
[22:25] <kayve> my workspaces seem broken
[22:25] <kayve> I can't send my dozen Firefox instances properly to other workspaces and the volume widget isn't on the top bar.
[22:25] <kayve> I guess I should google setting it on the command line or something.
[22:26] <Debolaz> It seems workspaces are broken for several people in GNOME Classic on 12.04.
[22:27] <kayve> hopefully this will imply a soon update that will fix it  ?  or we are forced to be Mac users?
[22:27] <kayve> I confused somebody calling the new Gnome to be "MacIntosh-esque"
[22:28] <kayve> hopefully this isn't so confusing to you.
[22:28] <Debolaz> Well, a fix might be complicated to implement in this case if it's not something easily reproducible from a fresh install of Ubuntu.
[22:28] <kayve> Can I supply some pertinant bug info somewhere to help?
[22:29] <Debolaz> Can you (Using VirtualBox so you dont need to wipe out your system) try to reproduce the problem with a fresh installation? And if the problem is reproducible that way, file a bug where you describe the steps you did to make the problem happen.
[22:29] <kayve> ::oh mwan:: "VirtualBox" well.. I guess this was something I supposedly was going to try to do anyway...
[22:29] <Debolaz> A bug report may not guarantee someone will be able to fix it, but it is a prerequisite for getting it fixed. :)
[22:30] <Debolaz> And if you can include steps to reproduce the problem, that gives people a lot more to work on.
[22:30] <kayve> Somebody told me that if I installed Microsoft on a VM so I could run ChessBase on it I wouldn't have the same terrible performance I observed on Wine
[22:30] <kayve> ::sigh::  I wish I was a more motivated person.  I want to go to the gym soon.
[22:31] <Debolaz> Hehe, don't we all.
[22:31] <MrChrisDruif> No, I want to eat a pancake...and I will!
[22:31] <Debolaz> VirtualBox is free (As in open source) and easy to use, so don't worry.
[22:31] <kayve> well.. what I was thinking was is there any way I can slurp some linux guts out of some log files or something from my system to provide a good robust bug report?
[22:32] <kayve> I need to get better at understanding log files.. but I guess I should acquiesce to VM supposedly it is the future but folk seem to be ignoring that Moore's Law died a decade ago.
[22:33] <Debolaz> There is a tool that will gather information from most log files for a bug report, however you really want to see if this is a reproducible bug. It's always a lot easier to fix a bug that you can see with your own eyes instead of just relying on some log files.
[22:33] <kayve> can I install VM thru the Ubuntu Software Center?
[22:34] <Debolaz> VirtualBox can be installed through the software center yes.
[22:34] <kayve> or if you can give me a URL with root prompt instructions that would be fine too
[22:35] <Debolaz> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads can also be used if you want to be sure you have the most up to date version. (However, the version in Software Center should be just fine)
[22:35] <kayve> then I should maybe .. uh.. get the 12.04 iso or something?  I haven't done any of this .. well.. we did this thing called "bochs" that was some sort of VM I guess for a course at SFSU
[22:36] <Debolaz> Yes, get the normal 12.04 desktop iso.
[22:36] <kayve> Ubuntu Software Center is maybe 40% done with install
[22:36] <Debolaz> Bochs is to VirtualBox what an earthworm is to a Ferrari Enzo.
[22:37] <kayve> oh you're familiar with it.  That's good.  I think the reason for that is like "tinyShell" or uh.. because it was an undergraduate course
[22:37] <kayve> "tinyOS" is.. what I was thinking "tOS"
[22:38] <kayve> or was it TOS?
[22:38] <kayve> OK it's installed.. uh..
[22:38] <Debolaz> Bochs emulates an entire machine. Every single instruction is emulated. VirtualBox runs most of the OS inside it natively.
[22:38] <Debolaz> So the performance difference between Bochs and VirtualBox is…. Significant.
[22:39] <kayve> still 32 bit?  http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[22:39] <Debolaz> Yes, 32 bit is usually fine.
[22:39] <Debolaz> 32 bit will work on 64 bit machines.
[22:42] <kayve> I know about 32 bit.. that is what I have been doing, but when is all the stuff going to become 64 bit?  41 minutes remaining to download ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso  Is that really going to take that long?  I have DSL.  300KB/sec my rate is increasing.  I want to go work out.. that may take a half hour .. you think you will still be logged on then?
[22:42] <mongo> I just run kvm/libvirt, it is less intrusive on the guest OS
[22:42] <Debolaz> Sure, I'll probably be on for about 5-6 hours.
[22:42] <kayve> Can I use VirtualBox to install Microsoft too I guess?  Will it run ChessBase fast you think?
[22:42] <Debolaz> Just go and work out. :)
[22:42] <kayve> OK thanks  {:)
[22:43] <Debolaz> Yes, you can install any OS that runs on your host machine inside VirtualBox.
[22:43] <kayve> 20.3% body fat. gotta get that down
[22:43]  * Debolaz believes he is around 106% at the moment,