[00:03] BluesKaj: Ghehe ^_^ === wgrant_ is now known as wgrant [00:04] Well, "almost" perfect [00:05] BluesKaj: I can't login to my own account [00:17] Alright, so it seems lightdm doesn't want to be friends anymore ^_^ [02:05] 64 image didnt boot a desktop for me === jedney is now known as JonEdney [02:31] So how do I go from 12.04 to the 12.10 alpha? [02:36] would my vidcard be causing a problem with this iso, [AMD] nee ATI Juniper XT [AMD Radeon HD 6000 Series] === len is now known as Guest78488 === sajimon_ is now known as sajimon === rye-holiday is now known as rye === sdx24 is now known as sdx23 === Fyodorovna is now known as wilee-nilee === Athanasius is now known as Zathanasius [10:15] 'morning [10:18] Hi BluesKaj [10:26] hi MrChrisDruif , how did your 12.10 install go? [10:27] BluesKaj; only lightdm stopped loving me, I dpkg-reconfigure'd gdm to make it work. Just now I've dpkg-reconfigure'd lightdm to see if it works again after using gdm [10:30] right , lightdm has a few problems , so that's not a surprise [10:31] It pretty new, so it'll probably don't handle upgrades as it should [10:50] hi guys, i am hoping todays iamge will boot for me [10:50] iamge [10:50] * Fudge gives up [10:52] Fudge; I only switched sources. Only lightdm broke for me [10:53] MrChrisDruif thats pretty good all things considered [10:54] Yeah [13:30] Hm.. I haven't read a single thing yet about GTK+2 being dropped from the CD this cycle :( === chris_ is now known as Guest1762 [15:34] boo [15:43] Windows Update, brb === Zathanasius is now known as Athanasius [16:32] any news about wayland in 12.10? [16:32] or more like a thing for 13.04? [16:34] ah ok found it, it should work in 12.04 (german link) http://www.golem.de/news/displayserver-wayland-soll-in-ubuntu-12-10-funktionieren-1205-91717.html [16:42] iceroot, the english translation isn't so great , btw [16:46] i found this , http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA5OTY === pawdro_ is now known as pawdro === CloudLogan_ is now known as CloudLogan [21:41] BluesKaj; I'd thought you might want to know that LightDM works again ^_^ [21:42] ok , MrChrisDruif , good to know :) [21:42] I do like it better then GDM, it's ugly [21:43] never tried it myself since I was advised it's not too great with kde [21:43] [However, the automatic background isn't working =(, but that didn't work before the upgrade either] [21:47] Are there any OMGwhatdidido reasons not to reboot right now? [21:49] MrChrisDruif: I found it needs the background to be changed away and back to what it is to get lightdm to 'see' it [21:49] I'll take the silence as a clear response to go ahead and reboot [21:50] IntuitiveNipple; you mean taking a different one, log out and in and change it back again? [21:50] MrChrisDruif: No, log-in, change the background, change it back, log-out and it worked in lightdm for me [21:50] And I others found the same thing [21:51] Alright... [21:51] I'll check it out === stkrzysiak_ is now known as stkrzysiak [22:18] So this channel is about 12.10 and not 12.04? I guess I just updated to 12.04 and I have issues. [22:19] kayve; we're 12.10 [22:19] kayve: It's for 12.10. [22:19] 12.04 support in #ubuntu [22:21] nobody ever answers in #ubuntu. I have been there numerous times over the past years and I have never gotten an answer there. [22:21] Hehe, I know that feeling. Only fairly trivial questions are likely to be answered there. [22:22] But this is usually true for IRC in general, not that particular help channel. [22:22] *not just [22:22] My Classic Gnome is not acting right at all after upgrade to 12.04 [22:22] kayve; you *could* also try #ubuntu-beginners they offer also support for the current release, thou they are few and far between. A lot more personal attention thou [22:23] I have got some good answers from IRC channels.. my theory today was getting a channel with the perfect population, not too big, not too small [22:24] sometimes folk get downright mean in here. then I have to just forget about it [22:24] kayve: It helps a lot to have a problem description. If you just say "I have a problem with ", people are not likely to bother asking why. [22:24] I have been told that I ask questions that are too manual-answerable. [22:24] I know. [22:24] I started with the question about version 12.04 and 12.10 that was easy [22:25] my workspaces seem broken [22:25] I can't send my dozen Firefox instances properly to other workspaces and the volume widget isn't on the top bar. [22:25] I guess I should google setting it on the command line or something. [22:26] It seems workspaces are broken for several people in GNOME Classic on 12.04. [22:27] hopefully this will imply a soon update that will fix it ? or we are forced to be Mac users? [22:27] I confused somebody calling the new Gnome to be "MacIntosh-esque" [22:28] hopefully this isn't so confusing to you. [22:28] Well, a fix might be complicated to implement in this case if it's not something easily reproducible from a fresh install of Ubuntu. [22:28] Can I supply some pertinant bug info somewhere to help? [22:29] Can you (Using VirtualBox so you dont need to wipe out your system) try to reproduce the problem with a fresh installation? And if the problem is reproducible that way, file a bug where you describe the steps you did to make the problem happen. [22:29] ::oh mwan:: "VirtualBox" well.. I guess this was something I supposedly was going to try to do anyway... [22:29] A bug report may not guarantee someone will be able to fix it, but it is a prerequisite for getting it fixed. :) [22:30] And if you can include steps to reproduce the problem, that gives people a lot more to work on. [22:30] Somebody told me that if I installed Microsoft on a VM so I could run ChessBase on it I wouldn't have the same terrible performance I observed on Wine [22:30] ::sigh:: I wish I was a more motivated person. I want to go to the gym soon. [22:31] Hehe, don't we all. [22:31] No, I want to eat a pancake...and I will! [22:31] VirtualBox is free (As in open source) and easy to use, so don't worry. [22:31] well.. what I was thinking was is there any way I can slurp some linux guts out of some log files or something from my system to provide a good robust bug report? [22:32] I need to get better at understanding log files.. but I guess I should acquiesce to VM supposedly it is the future but folk seem to be ignoring that Moore's Law died a decade ago. [22:33] There is a tool that will gather information from most log files for a bug report, however you really want to see if this is a reproducible bug. It's always a lot easier to fix a bug that you can see with your own eyes instead of just relying on some log files. [22:33] can I install VM thru the Ubuntu Software Center? [22:34] VirtualBox can be installed through the software center yes. [22:34] or if you can give me a URL with root prompt instructions that would be fine too [22:35] https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads can also be used if you want to be sure you have the most up to date version. (However, the version in Software Center should be just fine) [22:35] then I should maybe .. uh.. get the 12.04 iso or something? I haven't done any of this .. well.. we did this thing called "bochs" that was some sort of VM I guess for a course at SFSU [22:36] Yes, get the normal 12.04 desktop iso. [22:36] Ubuntu Software Center is maybe 40% done with install [22:36] Bochs is to VirtualBox what an earthworm is to a Ferrari Enzo. [22:37] oh you're familiar with it. That's good. I think the reason for that is like "tinyShell" or uh.. because it was an undergraduate course [22:37] "tinyOS" is.. what I was thinking "tOS" [22:38] or was it TOS? [22:38] OK it's installed.. uh.. [22:38] Bochs emulates an entire machine. Every single instruction is emulated. VirtualBox runs most of the OS inside it natively. [22:38] So the performance difference between Bochs and VirtualBox is…. Significant. [22:39] still 32 bit? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop [22:39] Yes, 32 bit is usually fine. [22:39] 32 bit will work on 64 bit machines. [22:42] I know about 32 bit.. that is what I have been doing, but when is all the stuff going to become 64 bit? 41 minutes remaining to download ubuntu-12.04-desktop-i386.iso Is that really going to take that long? I have DSL. 300KB/sec my rate is increasing. I want to go work out.. that may take a half hour .. you think you will still be logged on then? [22:42] I just run kvm/libvirt, it is less intrusive on the guest OS [22:42] Sure, I'll probably be on for about 5-6 hours. [22:42] Can I use VirtualBox to install Microsoft too I guess? Will it run ChessBase fast you think? [22:42] Just go and work out. :) [22:42] OK thanks {:) [22:43] Yes, you can install any OS that runs on your host machine inside VirtualBox. [22:43] 20.3% body fat. gotta get that down [22:43] * Debolaz believes he is around 106% at the moment,