[00:07] <elky> ^ only if we can use it when the trolls get sad.
[00:26] <elky> No, we won't be using your factoid. Sorry.
[00:35] <Corey> A pity, that.
[00:48] <IdleOne> txomon|home: Please don't idle in this channel
[00:59] <Corey> IdleOne: He's idle.
[00:59]  * IdleOne would slap Corey if that wasn't so funny :P
[01:07] <elky> Unit193, we use remove, not kick. it avoids triggering auto-rejoin
[01:15] <MrChrisDruif> elky; +1 on that
[01:22] <Resistance> i apologize if anyone's complained about my nickchanging
[01:22] <Resistance> i should have parted #ubuntu before that
[01:22]  * Resistance wanted to preemptively apologize
[09:08] <txomon|home> IdleOne, why can I be here? I wanted to know the resolution to the definition I put in ubottu
[09:08]  * txomon|home just read 
[11:12] <LjL> !ping
[19:31] <Pici> tsimpson: that guy complaining about apt earlier really messed up his system.
[19:31] <Pici> Somehow he doesn't understand the difference between nightly and stable packages, and had a repo for the former enabled at some point.
[20:27] <Myrtti> hi guntbert, what's up?
[20:27] <guntbert> Hi, I just stumbled over !clone - it suggests using aptitude which is reported to make problems with multi-arch
[20:27] <bobweaver> How too know why you are banned from a channel and for how long. And whrere do I report mis-use of power for one of your members ?
[20:27] <Myrtti> guntbert: alright, I'll have a look
[20:28] <ikonia> bobweaver: you're banned until you address the issue
[20:28] <bobweaver> what ever ikonia
[20:28] <bobweaver> you have no right
[20:28] <ikonia> you asked, I'm explaining
[20:29] <bobweaver> the 1st time that I ever talk too you you pm me and start yelling at me about using the bot so I stop after that you stalk me and abuse your power
[20:30] <bobweaver> mean while there is other things that are going on that are omporant
[20:30] <bobweaver> imporant
[20:30] <Myrtti> bobweaver: what do you mean by stalking? you are aware that ikonia is on several channels
[20:30] <bobweaver> Myrtti,  that is not what I mean
[20:30] <Myrtti> it's a big accusation to throw around
[20:31] <Myrtti> as is the claim of abuse of power
[20:31] <bobweaver> well there is one thing that I hate coruption
[20:31] <bobweaver> and abuse of power it only hurts the masses
[20:31] <bobweaver> 1)st lets talk about who I am
[20:31] <bobweaver> wiki.ubuntu.com/josephmills
[20:32] <bobweaver> https://launchpad.net/~josephjamesmills
[20:32] <bobweaver> so you can get some sorta idea of who I am
[20:32] <Myrtti> I fail to see how that is relevant with anythihng
[20:33] <Myrtti> you seem to do a lot. And?
[20:33] <bobweaver> well I would like too point out that I am verry active in the community and not a bad person or troll
[20:33] <Myrtti> if you've been asked not to play with the bots, then you shouldn't play with the bots.
[20:33] <Myrtti> you can do that in PM
[20:34] <bobweaver> Myrtti,  please forgive me if I spell things wrong or misplace words as I have dysliskia
[20:34] <bobweaver> Myrtti,  I was not banned for playing with bots
[20:34] <Myrtti> so what do you think you were banned for then?
[20:35] <bobweaver> I was banned because I updated my sources.list and ikonia  told me not too. he toldd me not to ask questions about that in ubuntu+1 because it was not supported
[20:35] <bobweaver> so I tried not get info from other places one things when down hill beccause well I like too test
[20:36] <bobweaver> no not ^^
[20:36] <Myrtti> and so you've been asking for support on channels that can't support you, repeatedly?
[20:37] <bobweaver>  well I came back too that room too tell people what had happened as I thought that it was a testing Channel
[20:37] <Myrtti> and you've been told that you can't be supported, also repeatedly?
[20:37] <bobweaver> no
[20:37] <bobweaver> that is not true
[20:37] <bobweaver> the only op that has ever talked too me as far as "there idea of bad" is ikonia
[20:38] <bobweaver> I respect the thoughts of everyone and try too get along
[20:38] <bobweaver> but when abuse of power is started it is out of control
[20:38] <bobweaver> I will not stop untill this is taken care of or I feeel as thou I have been heard
[20:39] <bobweaver> I have been shot by rubber bullets paper spayed and beat by people that misuse power and I still did not move and I willl not here either
[20:39] <Myrtti> well, it's clear that my involvement in this will not yield anything
[20:41] <Pici> bobweaver: So you don't want to listen to what ikonia has said because he was the only one who said anything?
[20:41] <bobweaver> no Pici
[20:41] <bobweaver> I did listen when he asked me too not use the bots like that
[20:42] <Pici> bobweaver: Thats fine. Many people play with the bots and have to be asked to stop.  I'm more interested in you trying to get support for development versions in #ubuntu.
[20:42] <bobweaver> I respect ikonia  and I have told him that but I have a feeling that he dosent feel the same way
[20:43] <bobweaver> Pici,  it was a general question about x.org and how to trouble shot
[20:43] <bobweaver> I then used paste .ubuntu.com to show my X.Org file
[20:43] <bobweaver> on #ubuntu ^^
[20:44] <bobweaver> I got some help which is great
[20:44] <Pici> bobweaver: But you were running the development release at that time.
[20:44] <bobweaver> so I went too +1 too talk too other about my fix as I thought that it was the correct place too talk about that
[20:44] <bobweaver> Pici, what devs dont use development edition of things
[20:45] <bobweaver> plz dont take that the wrong way it was a questions
[20:45] <Pici> bobweaver: #ubuntu+1 is the place for questions about the development release. #ubuntu is not.
[20:45] <Pici> Even if you aren't getting an answer in +1
[20:45] <bobweaver> Pici,  I was banned on +1
[20:46] <bobweaver> not on Ubuntu
[20:46] <bobweaver> so my question in #ubuntu was about geneal debuging of VGA drivers
[20:47] <bobweaver> because I was scared too ask in U+1 because I was scared to ask in +1
[20:47] <bobweaver> because of someone
[20:48] <bobweaver> because they told me that the *TESTING* channel was not supporting what I was doing
[20:48] <bobweaver> althou the testing wiki is where I got my info
[20:48] <Pici> bobweaver: one moment...
[20:48] <bobweaver> and how I made the changes in the 1st place
[20:48] <bobweaver> sure I will also look for log for everyone
[20:50] <mneptok> bobweaver: when did this discussion on #ubuntu+1 take place?
[20:50] <bobweaver> right after the ubuntu-calssroom motu thing so I think the 4th
[20:51] <bobweaver> but I could be wrong
[20:52] <bobweaver> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/04/%23ubuntu+1.html
[20:52] <bobweaver> bobweaver	anyone want to help debug ?	15:11
[20:52] <bobweaver> bobweaver	I have no gui as of this morrining :)	15:11
[20:52] <bobweaver> BluesKaj	bobweaver, no desktop ?	15:22
[20:52] <bobweaver> bobweaver	no desktop :(	15:25
[20:52] <bobweaver> bobweaver	it is fun thou \o/
[20:52] <mneptok> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/05/04/%23ubuntu+1.txt
[20:53] <mneptok> bobweaver: no need to paste. please do not.
[20:53] <bobweaver> sorry will not anymore
[20:53] <bobweaver> see I listen I am not a bad dude
[20:53] <Pici> I'm trying to figure out what you meant by this: "ikonia:  not sure what you are getting at 1st I dont really  care 2nd I should tell people correct .... 3 who cares"
[20:54] <bobweaver> well I was baned so I could not finish
[20:55] <bobweaver> actually bobweaver I can't be bothered explaining this	   <~~ is that not your job
[20:55] <mneptok> [14:59] <bobweaver> hello there where would one look too find out when he is not getting a gui ?
[20:55] <mneptok> that and forward in #ubuntu on the same date. for those reading logs.
[20:56] <Pici> bobweaver: To me, your line sounds like you don't care about our rules about posting development release questions in #ubuntu.
[20:56] <mneptok> bobweaver: as a community contributor, you should know that asking about development versions os Ubuntu on #ubuntu is not allowed.
[20:56] <bobweaver> that was not in ubuntu and I was cut off so I could not explain
[20:56] <mneptok> s/os/of
[20:56] <bobweaver> maybe if I was asked then I would have
[20:56] <bobweaver> mneptok,  I did not know
[20:57] <bobweaver> but asking geneal debuging quesytions even ?
[20:57] <bobweaver> and I have like 12 computers that I test things on
[20:57] <bobweaver> not saying that anything is right about me asking on ubuntu  but ... I did not know that that was a no no
[20:58] <mneptok> bobweaver: "lsb_release -a" tells you where to ask questions about that system. no exceptions.
[20:58] <bobweaver> look what happened when  I posted in +!
[20:58] <bobweaver> +1 *
[20:58] <bobweaver> I was beeing harassed look at the log from the day before plz
[20:59] <mneptok> bobweaver: there is no need to look right now. trust me. OK?
[21:00] <bobweaver> What
[21:00] <mneptok> bobweaver: now you know that #ubuntu is for released version ONLY. right?
[21:00] <bobweaver> I will trust you I dont know you ?
[21:00] <bobweaver> not untill now mneptok
[21:00] <bobweaver> to be honest
[21:00] <mneptok> bobweaver: *NOW* you know ... etc etc
[21:00] <mneptok> right?
[21:00] <bobweaver> and it was a general debug
[21:01] <mneptok> bobweaver: OK, you don't know.
[21:01] <bobweaver> mneptok,  yes now I do because you have explained and done a good job at well your job
[21:01] <mneptok> bobweaver: there is no "general debug" exception for when you're running a development release and regards #ubuntu.
[21:01] <mneptok> no exceptions.
[21:01] <bobweaver> so where to ask then ?
[21:01] <mneptok> 14:58 <+mneptok> bobweaver: "lsb_release -a" tells you where to ask questions about that system. no exceptions.
[21:02] <mneptok> bobweaver: #ubuntu+1
[21:02] <bobweaver> that is where I asked but I wanted too know more about hw to get info togeather 1st but that was not a good idea to ask about debuging things in #ubuntu
[21:02] <bobweaver> that is where I was banned from
[21:03] <bobweaver> ikonia,  keep telling me not to do something that I had already done
[21:03] <bobweaver> it was over I had entered the commands and changed the sources list long before he started talking to me
[21:04] <mneptok> bobweaver: i keep asking a simple question. you keep dancing around an answer.
[21:04] <mneptok> 15:00 <+mneptok> bobweaver: now you know that #ubuntu is for released version ONLY. right?
 not untill now mneptok
[21:04] <mneptok> 15:00 <+mneptok> bobweaver: *NOW* you know ... etc etc
[21:04] <bobweaver> that is great thanks for the info
[21:05] <bobweaver> next question that I am dancing around ? I want to answer all plz
[21:05] <bobweaver> I have nothing too hide because I did nothing wrong and if I did I did not know that I was
[21:06] <mneptok> OK then. you will not repeat that behavior in the future without facing a serious ban, and quite the black mark on the record of your good contributions.
[21:06] <bobweaver> sure if that was said in the 1st place then 100% would have not have gone that route
[21:06] <mneptok> you ask about development versions in the main channels again, there is no excuse.
[21:07] <bobweaver> mneptok,  but other can not assum that I am on 12.10 or devs edtion right ?
[21:07] <bobweaver> because I am not that is only one computer out of the 12 that I own
[21:07] <bobweaver> that all have ubuntu on them
[21:08] <bobweaver> just trying to get a clear picture I do not want to make mistake
[21:08] <mneptok> bobweaver: you will be considered trustworthy. the rules of the channels that were created by the same Ubuntu governance model you say you subscibe to have been explained.
[21:08] <mneptok> bobweaver: YOU need to keep track of which machine is running what, and where the Ubuntu community has requested you ask for help.
[21:09] <mneptok> bobweaver: if you cannot do it, then there will be consequences. so do it.
[21:09] <bobweaver> mneptok,  cool but one question
[21:09] <mneptok> yes?
[21:09] <bobweaver> I was banned for asking that on +1 not on #ubuntu I was kicked from +1
[21:10] <bobweaver> maybe because I was asking about debuging in #ubuntu ?
[21:10] <mneptok> bobweaver: if you'll bear with me, you will not be banned anywhere.
[21:10] <bobweaver> sure I just want to ask questions so that I do not so anything wrong
[21:10] <mneptok> bobweaver: back to the next order of business.
[21:11] <mneptok> bobweaver: accusations of stalking and abuse of power. read this ....
[21:11] <mneptok> !appeals
[21:11] <mneptok> bobweaver: these serious accusations are not something this channel or the ops team should deal with
[21:11] <bobweaver> thanks I will also join your mailing list do you have one ?
[21:12] <bobweaver> also like to join *
[21:12] <Myrtti> huh?
[21:12] <bobweaver> dang dysliscia
[21:12] <bobweaver> if you have a mailing list of the things that the ops talk about I would like to join can you plz give me link if there is one
[21:12] <mneptok> bobweaver: 1 moment. phone.
[21:13] <bobweaver> sorry about my learning dissablity it hunts me all the time
[21:13] <mneptok> bobweaver: i'm back.
[21:14] <mneptok> bobweaver: you should bring allegations of stalking and abuse of power to the IRC Council.
[21:14] <mneptok> bobweaver: the factoid above tells you how.
[21:15] <mneptok> bobweaver: it is your decision on how you want to proceed. but you are expected to follow the CoC and IRC Guidelines at all times.
[21:15] <mneptok> !coc
[21:15] <mneptok> !guidelines
[21:16] <mneptok> bobweaver: please tell all of us when you have read those 3 docs
[21:16] <bobweaver> Thansk I am going to read all that
[21:16]  * mneptok will go for a beverage
[21:17]  * bobweaver yum I mean apt coffee 
[21:18] <bobweaver> I am going too go back to UDS stuff now and will read and post when I am done reading
[21:19] <ikonia> bobweaver: please leave the channel and come back when you've read it then please.
[21:23] <bobweaver> ok .....
[21:31] <bobweaver> Ok I have read that wiki page and I have signed the COC . thanks for hearing my issue out. ikonia  no hard felling could I ask on thing if you think that i am doing something plz pm me if you like I am here to learn and teach not to disrupt
[21:31] <bobweaver> sometimes my learning disablity renders things wrong
[21:32] <IdleOne> bobweaver: I just want to make sure you understand that #ubuntu is only for released and supported versions of Ubuntu?
[21:33] <mneptok> bobweaver: now you know what is expected of Ubuntu IRC users, especially members.
[21:33] <IdleOne> and #ubuntu+1 is used for the dev cycle support and discussion
[21:33] <bobweaver> sure and I want to always learn more and who know I could maybe help you guys one day with something
[21:33] <mneptok> bobweaver: [15:15] <bobweaver> ikonia: stop being so hard on people <-- no more of this sort of thing.
[21:34] <bobweaver> I have wrote many bots
[21:34] <mneptok> bobweaver: you know how to escalate problems.
[21:35] <bobweaver> thanks mneptok  for real thanks.like I said I am not here to disrupt.
[21:35] <bobweaver> and I will never try too talk to ikonia  again and know where to ask things and report issues
[21:35] <bobweaver> thanks again and keep up the good work :)
[21:35] <mneptok> bobweaver: alright, i'll cosider that tacit approval to abide the community rules. and also acknowledgment that if you do not, things will not be so easy.
[21:35] <mneptok> @login
[21:37] <mneptok> bobweaver: i have removed the ban in #ubuntu
[21:37] <bobweaver> thanks mneptok
[21:37] <IdleOne> bobweaver: ikonia is a well respected member of our community and also an op in many of the #ubuntu* channels, chances are you will have to deal with him at some point.
[21:38] <mneptok> bobweaver: safe journey. read twice before pressing <enter>.
[21:38] <bobweaver> :)
[21:38] <IdleOne> bobweaver: I suggest you remember that respectful communications between all users of Ubuntu is absolutely a +
[21:38] <mneptok> bobweaver: print those 3 documents you read. read them again. repetition kills dyslexia every time.
[21:41] <bobweaver> will do btw I have  what is called nonsense word reading dysliscia
[21:42] <knome> dyslexia, that is
[21:42] <IdleOne> alrighty, if we are all done here I would like you all to get off my lawn please.
[21:43] <IdleOne> :)
[21:43]  * knome moonwalks to the pathway leading to IdleOne's kitchen door
[21:44] <IdleOne> don't let the cat out
[21:44] <IdleOne> bobweaver: I believe we are all done here. Please part this channel and I hope I don't see you in here anytime soon :)
[21:44] <knome> hehe. no, and not 'more' either.
[21:52] <bobweaver> sorry was walking kernel (dog)  thanks cya  and have a good one
[21:53] <bobweaver> I am still banned
[21:53] <bobweaver> so I have to restart irc service ?
[21:53] <mneptok> bobweaver: from #ubuntu?
[21:54] <bobweaver> yes
[21:54] <IdleOne> no, one moment please
[21:54] <IdleOne> try again
[21:55] <bobweaver> there we go thanks
[21:55] <bobweaver> have a good one guys/girls/whatever
[21:58] <mneptok> ikonia: you can come out of the bunker.
[21:58] <ikonia> I'm here
[21:59] <mneptok> i'm sorry. ;)
[21:59] <ikonia> no need to apologise, I appreciated someone else dealing with him, I can't tollerate lies, so I'm thankful someone else delt with it
[22:01] <mneptok> i meant "i'm sorry you're on IRC, like the rest of us lowlives."  O:)
[22:02] <ikonia> ooh