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[00:01] <stgraber> Effenberg0x0: the QA team is usually providing us (installer developers) with what we need to track down a bug and fix it, though that usually takes a few days per bug so kind of hard to do at the last minute
[00:01] <stgraber> and there's only so much time for the QA team to setup their test environment for any known weird setup
[00:01] <stgraber> anyway, got to run
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[15:59] <radix> Is the audio stream supposed to be not working right now?
[16:00] <NMinker> working for me
[16:00] <radix> oh, there it goes
[16:01] <tsimpson> radix: it resets on the hour, every hour :|
[16:01] <radix> okay, I'm listening now
[16:03] <NMinker> Can you put a link to the blueprint in the pad or the chat?
[16:04] <NMinker> thanks
[16:06] <xnox> Your welcome =)
[16:11] <NMinker> Is the python3-defaults source packaging going to be replaced with python-defaults for Quantal?
[16:11] <doko> NMinker, no
[16:11] <NMinker> okay
[16:11]  * xnox interesting
[16:13] <radix> hi!
[16:13] <radix> :-)
[16:13] <radix> Well, it'll be a big effort :)
[16:14] <radix> I can probably work with that GSoC student, too.
[16:17] <radix> Yeah, build slaves always help
[16:19] <radix> I can help shepherd the patches and make sure they're reviewed and all that stuff.
[16:20] <radix> and generally put them through the development process
[16:20] <radix> np :)
[16:21] <radix> I'm going to be afk. If anyone wants to talk to me more about twisted, mention my name in IRC please
[16:24] <NMinker> Dang, this Python 3 wiki page really easy to follow
[16:33] <nxvl> what about creating a pkg- mailing list like debian does?
[16:33] <nxvl> to center all the efforts there
[16:34] <xnox> nxvl: ubuntu-devel?
[16:34] <nxvl> xnox: but a python-3 central i mean
[16:34] <doko> nxvl, you'll get flamed or choosing this name ... ;-P
[16:34] <doko> for, even
[16:35] <nxvl> doko: yeah i know
[16:35] <xnox> =)))
[16:35] <nxvl> doko: i'm not suggesting the name, just the ML, call it however you want :D
[16:38] <ChipaPhone> as for "python 3 only on the 12.10 cd", can we at least keep the linux kernel? then init=/usr/bin/python3
[16:38] <ChipaPhone> :-)
[16:39] <xnox> ChipaPhone: loads of smiles in the room from your comment ;-)
[16:40] <nxvl> Still there are upstream like Django that don't have python3 in their roadmap, and most web developers will be disappointed about this
[16:40] <nxvl> and don't know much about other python web frameworks but i assume that's the case
[16:41] <ChipaPhone> django has py3 on the roadmap, now
[16:42] <ChipaPhone> https://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2012/mar/13/py3k/
[16:43] <nxvl> ChipaPhone: yes, but still experimental
[16:43] <nxvl> ChipaPhone: not good enough for developers
[16:43] <nxvl> ChipaPhone: which kinda sucks
[16:44] <ChipaPhone> baby steps
[16:45] <nxvl> ChipaPhone: yup, but with something like this we will push people to use virtualenv or compiled sources and be vulnerable to un-updated libraries and python packages
[16:45] <cjwatson> python (2) isn't going away any time especially soon, though - for 12.10, we're talking about dropping it from the CD, not even from main
[16:45] <nxvl> sure
[16:45] <cjwatson> django is not something where you restrict yourself to what's in the desktop CD
[16:46] <nxvl> oh yeah i agree
[16:46] <ChipaPhone> wait, we
[16:46] <nxvl> i'm thinking as a sysadmin/developer
[16:46] <ChipaPhone> wait, we're not shipping django on the cd?!?!
[16:47] <ChipaPhone> </troll>
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[17:54] <tgm4883> o/
[17:55] <tgm4883> hi
[17:56] <jhodapp> hello
[18:02] <tgm4883> :/
[18:03] <tgm4883> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Contributing
[18:03] <tgm4883> if that is still valid, there is a link to the LP code there
[18:04] <jhodapp> it's definitely still valid
[18:04] <tgm4883> ok
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[18:05] <tgm4883> I hope it's going to be at least a little different
[18:05] <dscassel> ls
[18:05] <dscassel> >_>
[18:06] <tgm4883> limiting it to new TV's only really limits who is going to use it
[18:07] <tgm4883> I'd rather have it installable on my own hardware
[18:08] <tgm4883> Ideally, we should be able to apt-get ubuntutv and the tv bits get added into the desktop
[18:08] <Faqtotum> tgm4883: that was exactly the point i just made
[18:08] <tgm4883> Faqtotum, my audio might be a bit behind :)
[18:08] <Faqtotum> it's why i brought it up
[18:08] <tgm4883> great minds think alike
[18:09] <Faqtotum> my typing is behind, btw
[18:09] <Faqtotum> i started to type it, but decided to say it instead when mhall119 asked for comment
[18:11] <tgm4883> documentation
[18:11] <tgm4883> an installable environment for us scope/lens builders
[18:11] <tgm4883> Ideally a daily PPA
[18:14] <dscassel> Any consideration for a quickly profile for apps/lenses?
[18:14] <tgm4883> regarding scopes/lenses, is there going to be a way to get metadata type things into a lens? If I'm looking at the right documentation then I'm only able to hand over "Uri, Icon Hint, Category Index, MimeType, Name, Comment, DND URI", which works well for regular file objects, but not so well for things like movies and episodic content
[18:15] <tgm4883> dscassel, good question!
[18:16] <dscassel> In order to get the community interested, it's gotta run on commodity hardware somehow.
[18:17] <bilal> dscassel: let me get your question pointed out
[18:18] <dscassel> Thanks, bilal :)
[18:20] <tgm4883> Lots of people still use tuners
[18:21] <tgm4883> I wouldn't be wasting my time writing a Ubuntu TV scope for MythTV content
[18:21] <tgm4883> YES YES YES whoever just said we need to add functionality for episodic content :)
[18:22] <dscassel> tgm4883: Agreed. :)
[18:22] <tgm4883> you are exactly right
[18:22] <tgm4883> open movie project stuff is good
[18:23] <tgm4883> It's important to get more than just apple trailers when testing playback. Specifically because you should test things that won't be offloaded to the GPU
[18:23] <tgm4883> eg. mpeg2
[18:25] <tgm4883> Arrow buttons + on screen keyboard should be all that is necessary
[18:27] <ejat> juju deploy ubuntutv
[18:30] <tgm4883> Something we've always had on the roadmap but never implemented is TV setup options (eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_card ).
[18:31] <tgm4883> Would be nice to see this added somewhere ^
[18:31] <tgm4883> audio testing as well
[18:37] <dscassel> Quickly! Yes!
[18:38] <bilal> tgm4883: I don't think it would help in the case of smart TVs
[18:38] <bilal> we are past the CRT age
[18:39] <tgm4883> It's used for setting up color balance
[18:39] <tgm4883> brightness
[18:39] <tgm4883> etc
[18:39] <tgm4883> exactly
[18:44] <bilal> tgm4883: Do you want the test card work item for making a test card app?
[18:45] <tgm4883> sure
[18:45] <tgm4883> My audio is apparently lagging alot :/
[18:45] <bilal> tgm4883: is your lp nick the same as tgm4883 /
[18:45] <tgm4883> yea
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[22:14] <lifeless> o/
[22:22] <lifeless> we don't want to *discuss* each occurence
[22:22] <lifeless> its a poor ideal scale wise
[22:22] <lifeless> any suggestion of dicusssion with us on a particular failure -> would be a lie
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[23:38] <seiflotfy> Zeitgeist starts logging from the time its installed. It can not dig into the past.However we have a workaround to retrieve the history out of a folder and inform Zeitgeist about it. Simply download the following scriptthen use it like this:python history.py /path/to/folder/path/to/folder being the folder you want to pull history out of example: /home/seif/Documents
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[23:38] <seiflotfy> http://seilo.geekyogre.com/2011/10/zeitgeist-history-retrieval-script-and-additional-loggers/
[23:38] <seiflotfy> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7162902/history.py
[23:39] <popey> hang on, while we get the other items on johns list
[23:39] <pmatulis> note: i discovered that ubuntuone-syncdaemon and zeitgeist-daemon can bring U1 sync'd systems to their knees if a non-trivial amount of data is being processed over U1
[23:40] <pmatulis> cpu load went off the scale on sync'd systems
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[23:59] <pmatulis> oh well
[23:59] <jbicha> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ILTJDiDCd25Npt2AmgzF8aOnZZECxTfM0hvsbWT2BxA/edit