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| arosales | hello | 16:03 |
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| xnox | My friend adds grub PC sound - it's Super Mario theme tune. | 17:18 |
| xnox | it was crytical for me to bring it back on reinstall | 17:18 |
| xnox | (grub supports playing sounds on boot) | 17:19 |
| NMinker | I personally use burg | 17:20 |
| xnox | NMinker: is that UEFI or BIOS? | 17:22 |
| xnox | (mbr) | 17:22 |
| xnox | NMinker: looks nice and better than rEFIt | 17:22 |
| xnox | I wonder if we can package and install it from the mac+amd64 image | 17:23 |
| mpt | When would the debconf error appear? | 17:24 |
| NMinker | https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/burg/+packages copied from natty because of GCC build issues | 17:25 |
| mpt | Is the point of using debconf just that it can output either to console or GUI? | 17:27 |
| NMinker | I didn't develop burg, I just put it in a repo | 17:27 |
| cjwatson | the point is that it's the standard interface for emitting errors from package maintainer scripts, and yes that it has multiple frontends | 17:28 |
| mpt | And update-grub falls into the category of "package maintainer scripts"? | 17:28 |
| cjwatson | NMinker: right, I'm just giving you my advice as the grub2 maintainer that burg is abandoned :-) | 17:28 |
| NMinker | I know | 17:29 |
| cjwatson | mpt: Not directly, but all the cases we're concerned with here are cases where it is called by package maintainer scripts | 17:29 |
| mpt | ok | 17:29 |
| NMinker | I don't maintain it, I put in my repo for convience | 17:29 |
| mpt | oh, like installing an updated kernel | 17:29 |
| cjwatson | Right | 17:29 |
| mpt | The current plan for the error tracker is to start treating debconf errors in general as problems to report, but that wouldn't be so useful for personally-created syntax errors | 17:29 |
| mpt | I'd enjoy designing an interface for graphical customization of the most common things that people currently manually edit the grub config for. | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | I think that would be great | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | There have been a few efforts at this kind of thing, e.g. startupmanager, but they've been sort of incomplete and problematic | 17:32 |
| cjwatson | Brutal scope pruning might help | 17:32 |
| cjwatson | The fact that these are personally-created is the main reason I think using debconf would be OK | 17:33 |
| mpt | Just to invoke Postel's Law briefly, might it make sense to silently treat Unicode quotes as if they were Ascii ones? :-) | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | But perhaps we should work out a way to whitelist certain debconf questions in the error tracker | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | Shell can't, but we could auto-fix the file | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | And I think we probably should, much though it obscurely offends me :-) | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | But only in an "offended by the brokenness of the world" kind of way | 17:35 |
| mpt | Hey, at least you don't work for a Web browser or mail client vendor | 17:35 |
| * xnox =) | 17:36 | |
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| mpt | yes please | 17:42 |
| mpt | dependent on bdmurray's for identifying the common cases | 17:42 |
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| jtaylor | what kind of a jit does mono use? | 18:10 |
| jtaylor | just compiles function which are often used or a tracing jit like e.g. pypy? | 18:11 |
| RAOF | I don't think so. | 18:12 |
| jtaylor | that would involve changing all arch all packages to arch any | 18:14 |
| jtaylor | so the native and the IL code will both be installed? | 18:18 |
| directhex | gah, this stream is choppy | 18:25 |
| ajmitch | common complaint here, sorry | 18:28 |
| directhex | seems to have smoothed out now, more or less | 18:30 |
| directhex | er | 18:31 |
| directhex | one old blocker was over paths | 18:32 |
| directhex | something like you can't have your aot images in a different folder to your il, which is a multiarch problem | 18:32 |
| RAOF | But we don't have a multiarch mono, right? | 18:33 |
| directhex | dlr-languages builds fine, but the git is really unclear | 18:33 |
| directhex | tens of megs of binary dll cruft | 18:33 |
| directhex | like copies of silverlight, things like that | 18:33 |
| directhex | the only real blocker is someone making a "clean" tarball | 18:33 |
| RAOF | Are we likely to have both mono:armhf and mono:amd64 installed simultaneously? If not, we don't need to care about paths. | 18:34 |
| directhex | i don't see that as a likely situation | 18:34 |
| directhex | armhf is fucked btw | 18:34 |
| RAOF | YAY! | 18:34 |
| directhex | p/invoke segfaults | 18:34 |
| directhex | so it builds and runs, until anything p/invokes anything | 18:34 |
| directhex | problem is mono is expecting armel ABI | 18:35 |
| directhex | mono doesn't support the armhf ABI at all | 18:35 |
| directhex | it's about 500 lines of changes. i woulc conjecture. if i had seen a non-public port. | 18:35 |
| directhex | zoltan vargaz has offered to coach anyone eager to do a port | 18:36 |
| directhex | but cannot write a line of code for it | 18:36 |
| RAOF | Maybe once I actually get an arm device I'll go for it. | 18:37 |
| directhex | i have an efikamx but i haven't managed to run dist-upgrade on armhf debian on it without it becoming unbootable | 18:37 |
| * RAOF *should* be getting a pandaboard or something shipped to him. | 18:37 | |
| directhex | unrelated: i want monodevelop to have a "publish to PPA" button within a year. it'd be neato. | 18:39 |
| directhex | mono, not cli-common, since the aot cache is mono-specific | 18:39 |
| directhex | of course, dotgnu never did get resurrected, so that's an academic distinction | 18:39 |
| directhex | and nobody ported .net micro to linux | 18:40 |
| directhex | still, abstraction is good for the soul ^_^ | 18:40 |
| directhex | more alive than plenty of core things in linux, tbh | 18:41 |
| directhex | still lots of critical tools last touched in 2006ish | 18:41 |
| directhex | (note: i have no idea how much latency there is in the audio, so i don't know if i'm communicating with 5 minutes ago) | 18:42 |
| directhex | so time my jokes for about 10 seconds of delay. got it. | 18:43 |
| directhex | oh, i was looking at doing CI snapshot packages, with upstream | 18:44 |
| directhex | i.e. served off a mono-project.com repo | 18:44 |
| directhex | waiting for some feedback from miguel | 18:44 |
| directhex | not system packages though, it'd be hell to maintain a full set like that | 18:45 |
| directhex | so mono-snapshot-201205101945 installs to /opt/mono-snapshot-201205101945, registers as a GAC runtime, and can be pushed into the environment via mono-snapshot command | 18:46 |
| directhex | it's a work in progress. it'd help if someone could sync environment-modules from debian | 18:46 |
| directhex | also i need to work out why modules only works via ssh, not interactively. debug time for jo | 18:47 |
| directhex | at any rate, it might be useful | 18:47 |
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| directhex | upstreaming things is easy if you do it via github forks, and ping the right people on irc | 18:52 |
| directhex | they also like unit tests | 18:52 |
| directhex | i've only broken the mono build a half dozen times ¬_¬ | 18:52 |
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| directhex | okay, that was an interesting session | 18:53 |
| directhex | all the fun of UDS, without the 8 hour flights | 18:54 |
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| med_ | Did you guys already talk about fixing archives for ARM, (ie making ports.ubuntu.com avail in cloud-init) | 19:15 |
| med_ | smoser, utlemming ^ | 19:15 |
| arosales | oz =http://aeolusproject.org/oz.html | 19:37 |
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