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gua-udssomething that comes up in debian irc channels constantly is people asking for a 'new' apt sources.list17:07
gua-udsubuntu might be similar and this could fix that17:07
wookey_you mean 'new' as in 'pristine' - i.e the one that came with the system before they fiddled with it?17:08
gua-udswookey_: yes. somehow sources.list got deleted or something similar.17:10
wookey_sadly people are told to edit it, not add extra sources in sources.list.d17:10
wookey_if user changes get pulled into etckeeper along with system updates then what you have isn't 'pristine' any more.17:14
wookey_Doesn't that spoil the desire for 3-way merge?17:15
wookey_Is anyone reading the IRC channel....17:16
gua-udsthere is quite a difference between keeping original copies in "/etc/pristine" and loading up a full etckeeper17:18
gua-udsi can say i would probably like /etc/pristine, but i'm not sure about etckeeper17:19
wookey_Yes, you need to keep track of changes in etckeeper so there is a good mapping between tags/revisions and package versions17:20
wookey_It would be really good to solve the 3-way merge thing17:21
wookey_so that it is easy to keep bringing you user changes forward without getting left with ancient config files17:21
wookey_currently you get 'diff', but I really want meld17:22
wookey_exactly - what the French guy said :-)17:23
wookey_yeah - but if we can get it for free with this that would be nice.17:23
gua-udswhen new conf files are installed by apt you can get a file.conf.$date thing. if someone wants etckeeper, seems like they can install etckeeper.17:24
gua-udsmaybe have ubuntu-etckeeper, then a separate package just for /etc/pristine keeping new copies of conf files17:24
gua-uds'new compies of conf files' as in the pristine ones after a new package install. file.conf.$date17:25
wookey_Where does the 'added user in last day' come from?17:28
wookey_They might have added user some time ago. DO you mean 'since last boot'?17:28
wookey_there could be quite a lot of etc config thigs like 'adding users', adding printers, turning on bash completeion, setting network-romaing options17:29
wookey_it's going to be annoying if things you configured mysteriously evaporate17:29
wookey_inifinity: agreed - But you do need to think about this quite carefully.17:32
wookey_So it actually is a genuine improvement :-)17:33
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wookey_ouch - don't bang the mics!17:55
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bdrunghi guys19:00
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kamalthe Ubuntu Hams session will start here momentarily -- anyone else here for that?22:02
AC6SLhttp://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr22:28
AC6SLhttp://www.rtlsdr.com/22:30
komputesAC6SL: cheers22:30
kamalAC6SL: I'm also listing you as "tasked" with learning about and teaching us about the RTL dongles22:31
kamalAC6SL: and thanks for joining us!22:31
AC6SLhttp://www.hsmm-mesh.org22:34
AC6SLsoundmodem for 1200 baud packet modem  +  aprsd for voluntary tracking of ham GPS positions22:35
AC6SLhamexam package is available for studying for US amateur license exams.22:41
AC6SLhttp://www.arrl.org22:44
AC6SLLook at http://aprs.fi to see hams transmitting GPS position data.22:45
AC6SLfcc exam is primarily for people wanting to be ship radio operators or equipment maintainers.22:50
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kamalAC6SL: thanks so much for you involvement here!   (talk to you on 2m later buddy!)23:02
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chihchun_so anyone is going to share a `course'?23:18
charleshttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20408/community-q-upstream-appdev-docs/23:35
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