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[17:07] <gua-uds> something that comes up in debian irc channels constantly is people asking for a 'new' apt sources.list
[17:07] <gua-uds> ubuntu might be similar and this could fix that
[17:08] <wookey_> you mean 'new' as in 'pristine' - i.e the one that came with the system before they fiddled with it?
[17:10] <gua-uds> wookey_: yes. somehow sources.list got deleted or something similar.
[17:10] <wookey_> sadly people are told to edit it, not add extra sources in sources.list.d
[17:14] <wookey_> if user changes get pulled into etckeeper along with system updates then what you have isn't 'pristine' any more.
[17:15] <wookey_> Doesn't that spoil the desire for 3-way merge?
[17:16] <wookey_> Is anyone reading the IRC channel....
[17:18] <gua-uds> there is quite a difference between keeping original copies in "/etc/pristine" and loading up a full etckeeper
[17:19] <gua-uds> i can say i would probably like /etc/pristine, but i'm not sure about etckeeper
[17:20] <wookey_> Yes, you need to keep track of changes in etckeeper so there is a good mapping between tags/revisions and package versions
[17:21] <wookey_> It would be really good to solve the 3-way merge thing
[17:21] <wookey_> so that it is easy to keep bringing you user changes forward without getting left with ancient config files
[17:22] <wookey_> currently you get 'diff', but I really want meld
[17:23] <wookey_> exactly - what the French guy said :-)
[17:23] <wookey_> yeah - but if we can get it for free with this that would be nice.
[17:24] <gua-uds> when new conf files are installed by apt you can get a file.conf.$date thing. if someone wants etckeeper, seems like they can install etckeeper.
[17:24] <gua-uds> maybe have ubuntu-etckeeper, then a separate package just for /etc/pristine keeping new copies of conf files
[17:25] <gua-uds> 'new compies of conf files' as in the pristine ones after a new package install. file.conf.$date
[17:28] <wookey_> Where does the 'added user in last day' come from?
[17:28] <wookey_> They might have added user some time ago. DO you mean 'since last boot'?
[17:29] <wookey_> there could be quite a lot of etc config thigs like 'adding users', adding printers, turning on bash completeion, setting network-romaing options
[17:29] <wookey_> it's going to be annoying if things you configured mysteriously evaporate
[17:32] <wookey_> inifinity: agreed - But you do need to think about this quite carefully.
[17:33] <wookey_> So it actually is a genuine improvement :-)
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[19:00] <bdrung> hi guys
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[22:02] <kamal> the Ubuntu Hams session will start here momentarily -- anyone else here for that?
[22:28] <AC6SL> http://sdr.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/rtl-sdr
[22:30] <AC6SL> http://www.rtlsdr.com/
[22:30] <komputes> AC6SL: cheers
[22:31] <kamal> AC6SL: I'm also listing you as "tasked" with learning about and teaching us about the RTL dongles
[22:31] <kamal> AC6SL: and thanks for joining us!
[22:34] <AC6SL> http://www.hsmm-mesh.org
[22:35] <AC6SL> soundmodem for 1200 baud packet modem  +  aprsd for voluntary tracking of ham GPS positions
[22:41] <AC6SL> hamexam package is available for studying for US amateur license exams.
[22:44] <AC6SL> http://www.arrl.org
[22:45] <AC6SL> Look at http://aprs.fi to see hams transmitting GPS position data.
[22:50] <AC6SL> fcc exam is primarily for people wanting to be ship radio operators or equipment maintainers.
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[23:02] <kamal> AC6SL: thanks so much for you involvement here!   (talk to you on 2m later buddy!)
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[23:18] <chihchun_> so anyone is going to share a `course'?
[23:35] <charles> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20408/community-q-upstream-appdev-docs/
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