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[00:00] <dmj726> bilal: of course I'm actually in the opposite boat with a free as in libre but not gratis app
[00:00] <bilal> ha :)
[00:01] <dmj726> ZHackers: Volume One being cc-by-sa but costing 3 bucks
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[17:02] <bilal> Anybody listening on IRC?
[17:06] <tgm4883> bilal, I'm connecting now
[17:07] <csmith> hi all, so currently you're looking over http://unity.ubuntu.com/ -> Get Involved?    I'm attached to this session just to learn where to start w/ Unity docs.
[17:09] <bilal> Yeah
[17:09] <bilal> http://unity.ubuntu.com/getinvolved/development/unity/
[17:10] <csmith> roger thanks.
[17:12] <daker> where can we file bugs for unity.ubuntu.com content ?
[17:13] <mhall119> https://launchpad.net/unity-website
[17:16] <csmith>  +1 on a screen shot image map or something comparable
[17:16] <csmith> jsut for newbies to learn the vocabulary
[17:21] <daker> ツ
[17:22] <csmith> we can hear okay :)
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[18:05] <xnox> anyone participating remotely?
[18:05] <wookey_> I'm listening
[18:06] <wookey_> but don't have strong opinions as I know bugger all about upstart
[18:07] <wookey_> it'll still be busybox, not coreutils
[18:10] <wookey_> making core stuff busybox-0compatible is useful in other areas too
[18:11] <wookey_> i.e so we still use the same stuff in main system and initramfs
[18:16] <wookey_> pango is 1Mb
[18:16] <wookey_> well, 900K
[18:16] <wookey_> sorry no 300K.
[18:17] <wookey_> 360K. (I suck at reading the right thing)
[18:18] <xnox> ttf-fonts, freetype, and etc which is brought in by pango
[18:19] <wookey_> right
[18:19] <wookey_> libthai
[18:19]  * xnox tasty
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[19:10] <nxvl> is the mic on?
[19:11] <nxvl> yes i can hear you now
[19:11] <nxvl> so, re-scheduled?
[19:12] <nxvl> ok, will keep an eye, thanks
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[22:12] <wookey_> this is metadata in the packages rather than in launchpad?
[22:13] <wookey_> Is there any real advantage to that?
[22:14] <wookey_> I find the PTS diff info and launchpad links to work well.
[22:14] <wookey_> I guess a page summarising all the PTS deltas might be interesting to see where to target effort
[22:19] <wookey_> hey that patch-tracker thing is nifty :-)
[22:20] <wookey_> OBS - Open Build System
[22:21] <wookey_> they dropped the 'suse' part
[22:21] <wookey_> It's supposed to be for everyone
[22:21] <wookey_> even though it is run by suse people
[22:30] <wookey_> making all these lists available online is good so that anyone who wants to help can. Is it there already?
[22:31] <tumbleweed> wookey_: http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/oldmerges/
[22:31] <geofft> wookey_: see the gmane link in the etherpad, also, for nhandler's list from last year
[22:31] <geofft> and discussion of it
[22:44] <wookey_> what about encouraging more ubuntu devs to become DDs and upload stuff themselves, or sponsor uploads?
[22:44] <xnox> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+uniquepackages
[22:44] <wookey_> There is quite a lot of useful stuff that should be uploaded...
[22:44] <micahg> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/mdt/all.html#notinA
[22:45] <wookey_> glad some is language packs - 2300 packages is a lot!
[22:49] <wookey_> now should be the time of minimum delta, right?
[22:50] <xnox> wookey_: not really. Ubuntu will be droping lts->lts upgrade delta's; Yet debian is about to freeze and they will remove squeeze->wheezy upgrade code after wheeze release.
[22:50] <xnox> we are comming up to a time (from the day debian freezes) of rapid increase of the delta
[22:54] <wookey_> yes. OBS is good stuff. Somone needs to volunteer to help them out with debian stuff
[22:54] <xnox> OBS currently sequentially executes dpkg for every single package
[22:55] <xnox> instead of resolving all build-deps and doing it in one go
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[22:55] <wookey_> how....efficient
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[23:00] <wookey_> we should encourage that outlook
[23:01] <wookey_> Well I learned lots of useful new URLs today :-)
[23:02] <geofft> Same here!
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