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[00:04] <mpt> Bye Luke :-)
[00:04] <mpt> Is Ted Gould, Lars Uebernickel, Charles Kerr, or Conor Curran there?
[00:05] <mpt> oh, there's charles on IRC
[00:05] <mpt> \o/
[00:07] <mpt> I think I heard Ana as well
[00:07] <mpt> hello!
[00:07] <mpt> Only your first UDS and already you get to sit in the front row
[00:08] <mpt> I am online
[00:08] <mpt> Is that better?
[00:09] <charles> http://design.canonical.com/2012/04/status-menus/
[00:16] <NMinker> how long is the lag?
[00:16] <NMinker> bless you
[00:23] <shirgall> An ical feed would work for those who use Google Calendar
[00:28] <jbicha> are those on/off switches already supported for indicators?
[00:29] <kenvandine> jbicha, not yet
[00:29] <jbicha> some airlines allow wifi now
[00:29] <shirgall> Can we reduce the number of lines consumed for items/catories that are disabled, and for enabling them?
[00:29] <shirgall> For example: on my laptop, I have Mobile Broadband, and a line that says "not enabled" and another line that says "Enable mobile broadband".
[00:31] <jbicha> shirgall: having the on/off switch should help with that
[00:31] <shirgall> jbicha: yeah, on some devices you end up with a lot of networking devices and the window gets huge
[00:34] <shirgall> On Bluetooth, why do we have "send files to device" and "Browse files on device" instead of just exposing it as another filesystem in Nautilus?
[00:35] <shirgall> It would be nice to switch power save profiles with the battery indicator instead of addons like cpufreq or jupiter
[00:35] <mpt> shirgall, I don't know for sure, but I think it is because there might be dozens of applicable devices nearby which would full Nautilus's side pane
[00:37] <shirgall> mpt: fair enough, but the bluetooth menu doesn't list applicable devices either... if there was a filestore that could be explored, wouldn't it be better to show it and open nautilus on it and show nothing if there are no applicable devices?
[00:37] <shirgall> messaging menu should be able to start those applications
[00:38] <shirgall> Not happy that my messaging menu is currently showing "Set up Mail..." and "Thunderbird Mail" simultaneously.
[00:41] <mpt> shirgall, that would be a bug
[00:42] <shirgall> dmy default application for mail is set up as "Gnome Gmail"
[00:45] <shirgall> So far that cough was the loudest thing to come through the stream. :)
[00:46] <mpt> It's weird to hear someone typing something after it's already shown up in Etherpad
[00:46] <NMinker> indeed
[00:46] <NMinker> It's kind of like seeing into the future
[00:47] <mpt> The indicator has/had the "it disappears just as you're about to click" problem too
[00:48] <shirgall> It stays as long as there's a local job, right?
[00:48] <mpt> This is an open question, though -- we could let it stay open afterwards
[00:48] <mpt> shirgall, yes
[00:48] <shirgall> if the job gets an error, it stays, I have tested this by stopping the queue on the other machine
[00:49] <shirgall> For example, I had overaggressive ufw settings, jobs stalled
[00:49] <shirgall> Super p r i n click the first icon :)
[00:51] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines
[00:54] <shirgall> Session dropped, but no IRC notification
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[00:55] <shirgall> QoS does exist
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[00:57] <mpt> Add a work item for me to check that accessible titles are in all the specs too
[00:57] <mpt> There is for the sound menu and messaging menu, at least (just checked those now
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[00:57] <shirgall> (and do they need to be translated?)
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[00:59] <shirgall> Do my questions above count?
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[19:01]  * jledbetter waves
[19:01] <jledbetter> Howdy :)
[19:03] <jledbetter> Audio is dropping for me
[19:04] <jtatum> yikes
[19:04] <jtatum> nobody's touching it
[19:04] <jledbetter> Maybe the  network. I dunno.
[19:05] <jledbetter> People must be using up all the wifi playing their games ;) Ok. I can hear stuff.
[19:05] <jtatum> still egetting setup
[19:05] <jledbetter> np. *keeps eating* have to run from this to another meeting next door
[19:07] <jledbetter> jtatum: get me a magnet please :)
[19:08] <jledbetter> Will try :)
[19:10] <jledbetter> Cool
[19:11] <akk> How does pleia2 tweet while talking? :)
[19:11]  * philipballew wonders himself
[19:11] <jledbetter> She's uber multitasker
[19:12] <grantbow> uber
[19:12]  * jledbetter wants cloning technology!
[19:12] <akk> Or a time-turner.
[19:13] <jledbetter> Oh. Yes.
[19:14] <jledbetter> And can be approached with questions after too. (re: role model)
[19:15] <pleia2> yeah :)
[19:17]  * jledbetter can help with WP
[19:18] <akk> Everybody's seeing the same "fatal error" I am, I assume?
[19:18] <jtatum> yes, akk
[19:18] <akk> It also had a problem where it wasn't picking up feeds from a lot of participants.
[19:18] <philipballew> yes akk
[19:20] <grantbow> google cached blog.ubuntu-women.org page (wayback.archive.org didn't have it)
[19:20] <grantbow> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQIDAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwebcache.googleusercontent.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dcache%3Anop-Ta4VDv0J%3Ablog.ubuntu-women.org%2F%2B%26cd%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk%26gl%3Dus&ei=rBSsT8GsMuKi2wXf7fylAg&usg=AFQjCNFWoeNE8fwRlHYVfjaPIefqsgJv2g&sig2=pbN1_WoMS11E1M_8aLFkYA
[19:20] <akk> huge header indeed
[19:20] <jtatum> looks fixable, lot of whitespace in the image
[19:21] <jledbetter> sorry, sound keeps dropping again.
[19:22] <akk> Sound is working well here, though it doesn't reach to all the questioners.
[19:22] <jledbetter> Ah. It's probably my network. I left my desk so I wouldn't be disturbed for this.
[19:23] <akk> I'm getting tiny dropouts but not long enough to miss anything.
[19:23] <jledbetter> Hm ok. My tiny dropouts are enough to miss something. It's ok. I'm back in and can follow along in the pad :)
[19:25] <jledbetter> next UDS sounds like we should have a what is U-W and a separate session on U-W planning :)
[19:29] <jledbetter> October 16 http://findingada.com/
[19:35] <akk> Also, posting in a non-PDF format adds google-fu.
[19:35] <jledbetter> +1 non-PDF
[19:36] <jledbetter> We'd talked about using UBT by finding friendly mentors in that project to funnel folks into the Ubuntu projects.
[19:37] <paulproteus> akk++
[19:37] <paulproteus> jledbetter: UBT?
[19:37] <jtatum> ubuntu beginner's team
[19:37] <paulproteus> Thanks!
[19:37] <jledbetter> paulproteus: For mo infos: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam
[19:39] <jledbetter> sometimes just the mentoring is how to get started/where to go
I would love to get more people in UBT and ubuntu-women to care about http://openhatch.org/missions/ and find out if that's something ubuntu-women can recommend to people, but don't want to be too self-promote-y</backchannel>
[19:41] <jledbetter> paulproteus: You recruiter you ;)
[19:43] <jledbetter> +1 to not everyone using irc
[19:46] <paulproteus> http://adainitiative.org/2012/05/reminder-adacamp-dc-travel-applications-close-this-friday-may-11/
[19:53] <paulproteus> re: my backchannel thing: I'll just bring that up on the mailing list.
[19:55]  * jledbetter waves. See y'all later. Got a meeting at 1 :)
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[20:45] <highvoltage> pleia2: I added a block for http://edubuntu.org that links to ubuntu-women, is the text ok? (suggestions welcome)
[20:48] <pleia2> highvoltage: that's great! thank you :)
[20:56] <highvoltage> :)
[22:09] <mpt> Is this the authentication session? It doesn't sound particularly ... authenticationistic
[22:10] <mpt> Who proposed it?
[22:10] <mpt> That would be laggy
[22:10] <mpt> The streaming audio is about ten seconds behind real life
[22:13] <mpt> Any new authentication scheme would need to be recognized in at least unity-greeter, policyKit-gnome, and gnome-control-center
[22:16] <mpt> There is a separate session on fingerprint authentication: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-p-fingerprintauthentication
[22:16] <mpt> And it's been discussed at *four* UDSes previously: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/fingerprint-authentication
[22:17] <mpt> (actually, three, declined for one)
[22:20] <mpt> So, I suggest first deciding, what specifically do you want people to be able to do and by when
[22:20] <mpt> e.g. "By Ubuntu 12.10, someone should be able to log in with a combination of smartcard and password"
[22:21] <mpt> or "By Ubuntu 13.04, someone should be able to use just their fingerprint and not need a password for anything"
[22:23] <mpt> Otherwise it will end up like firewall GUI, or parental controls, or the common printing dialog: one of those things that usually gets discussed and never gets done :-)
[22:25] <robert_ancell> mpt, agreed.  The main issue seems to be no resources to implement this (as per last time).
[22:39] <mpt> yes
[22:39] <mpt> I'd be happy to design that
[22:40] <mpt> It would make sense to design them both at once, at least
[22:40] <mpt> even if the implementation happens a bit at a time
[22:43] <mpt> sure
[22:44] <mpt> And someone supersede the fingerprint-specific blueprint so that its subscribers know what's happening
[22:46] <mpt> cheers
[22:50] <mpt> To log in, require:  [/] Password  [ ] Fingerprint  [ ] Smart card  [ ] Voiceprint ...
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