[09:38] <JonathanD> morning
[09:42] <rmg51> morning
[09:54] <JonathanD> Hey rmg51
[09:54] <rmg51> o/
[13:31] <JonathanD> waltman: poke.
[13:31] <waltman> JonathanD: puke
[13:31] <waltman> I've got to leave for the train in a few minutes.
[13:32] <JonathanD> waltman: you have a mac display adapter thingy, right?
[13:32] <waltman> Yes, mini-dvi2vga
[13:32] <JonathanD> I don't know if thats what this is...
[13:32] <JonathanD> I guess it's a 2008 macbook something or other.
[13:33] <JonathanD> screen goes all white. brief research indicates it may be a failed nvidia card.
[13:33] <waltman> The dongle from my old 2004-ish powerbook had a bigger connector on the mac end
[13:33] <waltman> I've got to run.
[13:33] <JonathanD> this is maybe 3/4 the width of USB
[13:33] <JonathanD> ok, catch you later.
[13:36] <InHisName1> mid morning to u all
[13:37] <JonathanD> hi
[13:52] <JonathanD> I think the disk is shot.
[13:52] <JonathanD> click click click click
[13:55] <JonathanD> disk is dead.
[13:55] <JonathanD> boots with a random linux cd in it
[14:39] <waltman> Sorry, I had the names wrong.  The dongle for my old powerbook was mini-dvi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini-DVI).  The one on my macbook is mini-displayport ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_DisplayPort).
[14:39] <JonathanD> waltman: it wasnt that anyway.
[14:39] <JonathanD> It displayed the ubuntu disc well enough.
[14:39] <waltman> Oh well.
[14:39] <JonathanD> It needs a new hdd.
[14:39] <waltman> Sorry to hear about your head hd.
[14:39] <JonathanD> But if I get her one, how exactly do I go about getting OSX on it?
[14:39] <waltman> s/head/dead/
[14:40] <waltman> What is "it"?
[14:40] <JonathanD> macbook 2008, I guess
[14:40] <JonathanD> theres a 2008 in the string of copyright and patent notices.
[14:41] <waltman> OK, so you've got a 2008 macbook with a dead hd, and you want to install a new hd and put OSX on it?
[14:41] <JonathanD> That sounds reasonable to me.
[14:42] <waltman> Be warned that replacing the HD might be extremely tedious, and it might be next to impossible to put it all back together.
[14:42] <JonathanD> I already have the old one out.
[14:42] <waltman> Ah.
[14:42] <JonathanD> it was under hte battery cover.
[14:42] <JonathanD> in fact I already have a new one in.
[14:43] <waltman> You might be able to do a net install of lion.
[14:43] <waltman> Or maybe you could restore the data from time machine?
[14:43] <JonathanD> She would have had to do the time machine stuff before, though, aye?
[14:43] <JonathanD> she says she doesn't have any backups.
[14:43] <waltman> Well, yes.
[14:44] <waltman> Who is "she"?
[14:44] <JonathanD> so unless this thing has a super secret backup location, there is nothing to restore :)
[14:44] <JonathanD> the laptops owner
[14:44] <JonathanD> someone here at work's sister.
[14:44] <waltman> What version of osx was on it?
[14:44] <JonathanD> no idea :)
[14:44] <JonathanD> nobody knows anything.
[14:44] <JonathanD> including what osx actually is.
[14:44] <waltman> I believe at this point you need to find an OSX install DVD.
[14:45] <JonathanD> boss might have one.
[14:45] <JonathanD> what versions will work?
[14:45] <waltman> in 2008 it should be intel, right?
[14:45] <waltman> Lion might work, Snow Leopard almost certainly will.
[14:46] <waltman> if it was lion, there might be a recovery partition hidden somewhere. I don't really know how that works.
[14:47] <waltman> This is getting to be the limit of what I know. You might want to try asking on a mac forum...
[14:47] <JonathanD> waltman: disk looks toast
[14:47] <JonathanD> really toast.
[14:48] <JonathanD> click click click click grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr toast
[14:48] <JonathanD> waltman: I have a snow leapard disk, I shall try that.
[14:48] <waltman> sounds like a plan
[14:49] <waltman> If she paid for lion, she should be able to reinstall that from the app store in snow leopard
[14:49] <waltman> You'll need her AppleID for that.
[14:49] <JonathanD> Tried freezing the disk :P
[14:49] <JonathanD> the clicks are quieter now
[14:50] <waltman> The Snow Leopard disk? I doubt that will help. :)
[14:50] <JonathanD> no, the hdd
[14:50] <JonathanD> It's dead Jim.
[14:51] <Resistance> :O  I KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM!
[14:51] <JonathanD> I should hope you do.
[14:51] <Resistance> indeed
[14:51] <Resistance> you forgot a comma though
[14:51] <Resistance> </grammar nazi>?
[14:51] <JonathanD> Resistance: it was lost due to data corruption.
[14:52] <Resistance> :P
[14:52] <Resistance> btw, did i mention yet that i despise ASP.NET?
[14:53] <JonathanD> waltman: I think he was using this snow lepoard disk as a coaster.
[14:53] <JonathanD> or as a target for a very underpowered gun.
[14:53] <JonathanD> hope it works :)
[14:53] <waltman> JonathanD: oh dear
[14:55] <JonathanD> people treat computers so awful
[14:57] <JonathanD> waltman: is that her itunes login info?
[14:57] <JonathanD> Or something completely different.
[14:59] <Resistance> if i had a snow leopard disk, i'd take it out to the firing range, and just shoot the thing :p
[14:59]  * Resistance is strongly against Mac OSes
[14:59] <JonathanD> Resistance: I am not a mac fan either :P
[15:00]  * Resistance pulls out his .45 and begins cleaning it
[15:00] <JonathanD> this is the first time I've tried to fix one.
[15:00] <Resistance> ugh, this thing needs cleaning badly :/
[15:07] <waltman> JonathanD: yes, but it's used for all sorts of things. It's basically your username with apple.
[15:08] <JonathanD> waltman: thanks :)
[15:08] <JonathanD> you've been quite helpful.
[15:08] <JonathanD> Why do they have to make it so hard to force eject a disk...
[15:08] <JonathanD> grrr
[15:15] <waltman> I believe you can use the pin/paperclip technique
[15:15] <JonathanD> where...
[15:15] <JonathanD> theres no hole
[15:15] <JonathanD> apparently holding down the touchpad while turning the laptop on and counting to 11 works.
[15:15] <JonathanD> I'm not sure why I had to take my left shoe off, first
[15:15] <waltman> hah
[15:16] <waltman> Speaking of which, I'm in the process of installing big system updates that hit snow leopard and lion today.
[15:16] <JonathanD> now with a fresh drive, it boots to a white screen with a blinking grey folder with a ? mark inside.
[15:17] <JonathanD> Linux errors are not cryptic. This is cryptic.
[15:17] <waltman> There's a way to view the console, but I forget how you do it. Cmd-something.
[15:17] <JonathanD> This apparently means "No operating system found"
[15:17] <JonathanD> by the way.
[15:17] <Resistance> JonathanD:  now you know why people hate the Mac OSX support :P
[15:17] <JonathanD> Which is fine, it's a blank disk.
[15:17] <Resistance> since their solution is "Bring it in to the store"
[15:17] <Resistance> :P
[15:18] <JonathanD> "No operating system found" is a lot easier to google than "the screen is white, and once a second, a grey folder with a question mark inside flashes"
[15:19] <Resistance> ;p
[15:19] <Resistance> :P *
[15:19] <waltman> I thought you were going to boot off the snow leopard disk
[15:19] <JonathanD> waltman: I'm cleaning it.
[15:19] <JonathanD> with a disc resurfacer...
[15:20] <waltman> That blinking gray folding with the ? is Apple's way of asking how you expect to boot up off a blank disk. :)
[15:20] <JonathanD> waltman: Sure, but why not just say that :P
[15:20] <JonathanD> the whole "users don't need to know about this stuff" irks me.
[15:21] <Resistance> and now you know why i routinely buy Mac OS CDs off of friends after they upgraded, then go directly from there to the gun range :P
[15:24] <waltman> Well, like I said, users *can* see the console during bootup. I just don't remember the keys that bring it up.
[15:27] <waltman> http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1533?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US # aha, it was cmd-v
[15:41] <ChinnoDog> bacon
[15:59] <JonathanD> that disc is not usable.
[15:59] <JonathanD> asking around hte office to see if anyone else has one, now :)
[16:10] <InHisName1> I got an ISO but may not be good enough for you.
[18:58] <JonathanD> InHisName1: aren't they rather large?
[18:58] <JonathanD> Multi-gig?
[20:10] <cythes> Any one here have issues with DVD drives not mounting?