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| inetpro | good morning | 06:57 |
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| nuvolari | inetpro: It's annoying. | 07:56 |
| nuvolari | thanks for the link! | 07:56 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: is it not just a matter of getting used to it? | 07:58 |
| inetpro | we all hate change | 07:58 |
| nuvolari | I couldn't get used to it | 08:40 |
| nuvolari | and it's frustrating most of the time | 08:40 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: no worries | 08:52 |
| inetpro | tbh I also found it annoying | 08:52 |
| charlvn | good morning all | 08:56 |
| charlvn | what's the annoyance today? | 08:56 |
| nlsthzn | o/ | 08:56 |
| nlsthzn | \o | 08:56 |
| inetpro | charlvn: nuvolari's sliders | 08:57 |
| charlvn | sliders??? | 08:58 |
| inetpro | or rather the new ubuntu overlay-scrollbar | 08:58 |
| charlvn | ah | 08:58 |
| charlvn | yes i know the feeling | 08:58 |
| charlvn | although i guess it's just a matter of getting used to it | 08:58 |
| inetpro | luckily we don't have them in kubuntu | 08:59 |
| inetpro | nlsthzn: wb | 09:00 |
| charlvn | yup also on kubuntu here | 09:01 |
| inetpro | nlsthzn: 09/05 20:47:52 <Kilos> inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please | 09:01 |
| nlsthzn | thanks inetpro ... yes... time has been scarce... could you return the favour if you see him before me? | 09:02 |
| inetpro | :-) | 09:02 |
| nlsthzn | having used the sliders since inception I have gotten used to them... still find them annoying sometimes | 09:03 |
| inetpro | nlsthzn: will do with pleasure if I have a chance | 09:04 |
| inetpro | I guess he's run out of airtime again | 09:04 |
| nlsthzn | :( | 09:04 |
| nlsthzn | thanks inetpro | 09:04 |
| nuvolari | I doubt one can get used to it... | 09:17 |
| nlsthzn | when it works like it should there is no distraction... then the next app comes and I am all over the place :p | 09:26 |
| charlvn | i would find it hard to get worked up about something as simple as a scrollbar... to think we still need to have a discussion like this in 2012, you would think we would be on to bigger and better things by now | 09:40 |
| charlvn | than having to rethink UI concepts from the 80's/90's | 09:40 |
| charlvn | don't get me wrong, i am all for innovation... but seriously, some things are just not meant to be changed right? | 09:40 |
| charlvn | this feels to me a bit like "we should start to eat from square-shaped plates instead of round-shaped plates" | 09:41 |
| charlvn | or "we need to adopt a hybrid fork-spoon or use chopsticks" | 09:41 |
| charlvn | sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P | 09:43 |
| nlsthzn | got to agree... ox wagens is still the way to go... | 09:47 |
| nlsthzn | just saying :p | 09:48 |
| charlvn | yeah, they are eco friendly after all; they run off organic renewable fuel sources and and the ox droppings can be used as fertilizer | 09:51 |
| nuvolari | lol ++ | 10:15 |
| inetpro | hmm.... | 11:44 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: didn't you say you use a dvorak keyboard anyway? | 11:45 |
| charlvn | i would use a dvorak keyboard if i only used one computer but i use various computers and some of them are not my property | 11:48 |
| charlvn | and various other people use them as well | 11:48 |
| charlvn | so it would just confuse the living cr4p out of me considering typing is something i do subconciously | 11:48 |
| inetpro | wb morgs | 12:10 |
| morgs | hi inetpro | 12:10 |
| superfly | hey morgs | 12:16 |
| morgs | hi superfly | 12:16 |
| morgs | first production site deployed on Server 12.04 - very shiny. | 12:16 |
| superfly | morgs: great | 12:16 |
| nlsthzn | http://debian-handbook.info/get/ | 13:22 |
| charlvn | hi morgs, long time no speak to | 13:38 |
| morgs | charlvn: hi! | 13:39 |
| morgs | charlvn: you with ushahidi now, right? | 13:39 |
| charlvn | morgs: no i left ushahidi back in feburary | 13:39 |
| charlvn | morgs: you still with praekelt? | 13:41 |
| morgs | charlvn: yup | 13:41 |
| nlsthzn | http://debian-handbook.info/get/ | 13:42 |
| nlsthzn | crap... sorry didn't see I had posted the link already :/ | 13:42 |
| charlvn | lol | 13:42 |
| charlvn | it happens | 13:42 |
| superfly | nice, thanks nlsthzn | 14:03 |
| superfly | hrm, all the teal-coloured people are in IRC today | 14:03 |
| nlsthzn | np superfly ... | 14:03 |
| charlvn | teal-coloured? | 14:03 |
| superfly | charlvn: yeah, my IRC client colours nicks, and it has set the colour for you, inetpro, morgs and nlsthzn to teal | 14:04 |
| charlvn | haha | 14:04 |
| charlvn | what client is that, if you don't mind me asking? | 14:04 |
| nlsthzn | I got most yellow :p | 14:04 |
| superfly | charlvn: Quassel | 14:05 |
| charlvn | ah yes | 14:05 |
| charlvn | have used it once or twice | 14:05 |
| superfly | I use it for its bouncer setup | 14:05 |
| * superfly prefers not having to log into a server to | 14:06 | |
| Squirm | hello | 14:16 |
| charlvn | hi Squirm | 14:21 |
| Squirm | home time | 14:27 |
| inetpro | superfly: you upgraded to quassel-0.8.0 ? | 14:30 |
| superfly | inetpro: it seems so | 14:30 |
| marcog | superfly: the irssi nickcolour script lets you change colours for nicks if they're not what you want | 14:31 |
| marcog | i love that feature | 14:31 |
| marcog | although i wish clients were more intelligent about assigning same colour to nicks who often talk at the same time or have the same length | 14:32 |
| superfly | marcog: it doesn't bother me, I thought it was just interesting/humourous that all the teal-coloured nicks were the ones that were talking at the time | 14:35 |
| Squirm | home | 14:37 |
| WOLFEYES | Good day everyone | 14:40 |
| superfly | hi WOLFEYES | 14:41 |
| WOLFEYES | how you doing | 14:41 |
| marcog | superfly: interestingly enough, btw, you, morgs and charlvn are all red by default in irssi | 14:44 |
| marcog | superfly: i find it much easier to follow when colours are distinct | 14:44 |
| superfly | marcog: yeah, mine are usually distinct too (you're a bright pink, for whatever reason, and Squirm is red) | 14:46 |
| WOLFEYES | lol | 14:50 |
| inetpro | superfly: hang on, how did you set the colors? | 15:05 |
| * inetpro just noticed that I'm also on quassel-0.8.0 | 15:06 | |
| WOLFEYES | nite eveyone | 16:25 |
| mazal | Evening all | 16:45 |
| Mezenir | greetings | 17:40 |
| Squirm | evening | 17:45 |
| superfly | hi Mezenir, Squirm | 17:49 |
| Mezenir | whats new tonight | 17:52 |
| Kilos | hi superfly and other fellas | 18:00 |
| Kilos | hi refusenik | 18:01 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:01 |
| Kilos | evening psydroid inetpro etc etc\ | 18:01 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 18:01 |
| charlvn | hi all | 18:01 |
| charlvn | hi kilos | 18:01 |
| Kilos | hi charlvn | 18:01 |
| Kilos | zeref, where are you? | 18:02 |
| Mezenir | hey kilos | 18:02 |
| Kilos | yo Mezenir | 18:02 |
| inetpro | hello Kilos | 18:02 |
| Kilos | mmm i feel popular tonight | 18:02 |
| inetpro | Kilos: Neil is sending regards | 18:03 |
| Kilos | ah ty very much inetpro | 18:03 |
| inetpro | says time has been scarce | 18:03 |
| Kilos | i miss lots just visiting here at night | 18:03 |
| Kilos | is all well with everyone inetpro ? | 18:04 |
| Kilos | here and home? | 18:04 |
| inetpro | Kilos: no big stresses that I know of | 18:05 |
| Kilos | good | 18:05 |
| inetpro | apart from primary school driving me up the walls with to many projects | 18:05 |
| inetpro | for the kids | 18:05 |
| Kilos | what kinda projects | 18:06 |
| Kilos | oh their homework | 18:06 |
| inetpro | with activities and all on many afternoons there's not a lot of time for homework | 18:06 |
| Kilos | eish | 18:07 |
| inetpro | the stuff that they get these days is out of this world | 18:07 |
| psydroid | hi Kilos inetpro Mezenir Squirm charlvn | 18:07 |
| inetpro | not stuffs that they can actually do on their own | 18:07 |
| charlvn | hi psydroid | 18:07 |
| charlvn | oh my goodness, the first part of this video is totally hilarious http://revision3.com/hak5/monkey-business | 18:07 |
| Mezenir | hey psy | 18:08 |
| inetpro | and it's not like anybody teaches them exactly how to do research et al | 18:08 |
| Kilos | the schools save by making the parents do half the teaching | 18:08 |
| Mezenir | lol | 18:08 |
| Mezenir | well at least you can teach them well | 18:08 |
| Kilos | lol are you teaching them that google is their friend inetpro | 18:08 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: heh, when I get back from work I am generally tired up to my ears | 18:09 |
| Mezenir | you work overtime a lot ? | 18:09 |
| inetpro | Mezenir: I can't really call it overtime but I do a lot of reading in the evenings | 18:10 |
| inetpro | reading that is very often work related | 18:10 |
| Mezenir | ah | 18:11 |
| Mezenir | self improvement | 18:11 |
| inetpro | exactly | 18:11 |
| Mezenir | necessary part of tech jobs | 18:11 |
| Mezenir | too bad they dont give you time for that | 18:11 |
| Mezenir | since by the time i get home im seldom in the mood for reading | 18:12 |
| Kilos | yeah things improve or move ahead so was in the IT world its a massive job to keep up | 18:12 |
| inetpro | heh, most days end on a note where I just cut my losses and go home | 18:12 |
| mazal | **sigh** , IT , what can one say | 18:13 |
| mazal | lo all | 18:13 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:13 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 18:13 |
| Mezenir | hi mazal | 18:13 |
| mazal | Some days I wish the two of us never met | 18:13 |
| Mezenir | thou these days info is fairly accessible | 18:13 |
| inetpro | mazal: same here | 18:13 |
| Mezenir | anyone look at khanacademy ? | 18:14 |
| Mezenir | some interesting stuff there | 18:14 |
| mazal | Using it is fun , keeping things going is a different story | 18:14 |
| Mezenir | hehe | 18:14 |
| inetpro | the trick is to keep working smarter rather than harder | 18:14 |
| inetpro | but it doesn't always work out | 18:15 |
| inetpro | at least I still enjoy most of my work | 18:16 |
| inetpro | so I'm not here to complain | 18:16 |
| Mezenir | yeah in programming there are lots of tools to make life easier | 18:16 |
| * superfly is almost always hacking on some OSS | 18:18 | |
| Mezenir | really ? | 18:19 |
| Mezenir | what kind | 18:19 |
| superfly | Mezenir: http://openlp.org is by far my biggest project, but I try to find time for http://projecthq.org | 18:20 |
| mazal | I have a tricky thing I can't find the problem too | 18:21 |
| Mezenir | interesting | 18:22 |
| mazal | Solution too even | 18:22 |
| mazal | I use 12.04 , unity 3d | 18:22 |
| mazal | I never use screen power off settings , just don't like | 18:23 |
| mazal | so I disable that k | 18:23 |
| superfly | k | 18:23 |
| mazal | However , the screen still blanks | 18:23 |
| mazal | But ONLY if no apps are open | 18:23 |
| mazal | If for example my Thunderbird is open , then it won't blank | 18:23 |
| mazal | If if everything is minimized it won't blank , as long as something is open | 18:24 |
| mazal | But if I just logged in and haven't opened anything yet then it will blank after a while' | 18:24 |
| mazal | strange | 18:24 |
| mazal | Not a train smash , but would like to know why | 18:24 |
| Mezenir | weird | 18:25 |
| Kilos | mazal, what happens if you activate a screensaver | 18:28 |
| Kilos | does it still blank | 18:28 |
| mazal | I don't have screensaver | 18:28 |
| Kilos | in those settings where you can choose one does yours show blank screen instead of using a screensaver | 18:29 |
| mazal | You must mos enable screensavers in some way , there isn't any by default | 18:29 |
| mazal | as far as I know anyway | 18:30 |
| Kilos | you most likely are timing out to blank screen | 18:30 |
| mazal | Turn screen of when inactive are set to "never" | 18:30 |
| Kilos | check in system - preferences - screensaver what the timeout is | 18:31 |
| mazal | I can only find a brightness and lock | 18:31 |
| mazal | No screensaver seettings | 18:32 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:32 |
| Kilos | have they removed that in 12.04 | 18:32 |
| mazal | Yes | 18:32 |
| mazal | There is some extra stuff you must do to enable screensavers | 18:33 |
| Kilos | can you install it afterwards | 18:33 |
| inetpro | mazal: desktop or laptop? | 18:33 |
| mazal | But I didn't do it as I never use it , don't like a screen that turns off | 18:33 |
| mazal | Laptop , Acer 5742G | 18:33 |
| mazal | With open apps I can leave it all day and it won't turn off. But with no open apps , turns off | 18:34 |
| Kilos | strange | 18:34 |
| Kilos | not that hibernate function that needs to be deactivated | 18:35 |
| inetpro | mazal: not perhaps a BIOS setting? | 18:35 |
| mazal | What can it be in Bios inetpro ? | 18:35 |
| inetpro | power saving | 18:36 |
| mazal | I'll have a look in there , haven't looked for such a setting in my bios yet so don't know if there is any | 18:37 |
| inetpro | I'm just guessing | 18:37 |
| mazal | Hehehe at this stage it's a way of reminding me that I forgot to open my mail lol | 18:38 |
| mazal | Walk past office , screen off , "Ah you must still open your mail" | 18:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:39 |
| mazal | Have a good evening all | 18:41 |
| mazal | sleep well | 18:42 |
| Kilos | night all , sleep tight | 18:51 |
| magespawn | Evening all | 19:04 |
| superfly | sup magespawn | 19:10 |
| magespawn | Hey writing 50 promo cd for a lodge and you? | 19:10 |
| superfly | btw, magespawn, that e-mail you sent our sales lady... hehehe... she didn't know how to respond to your questions :-D | 19:10 |
| superfly | promo CD? | 19:11 |
| magespawn | Promotional cd. To give out at the Indaba | 19:11 |
| magespawn | Lol | 19:11 |
| magespawn | Have looked into these machines before, so had the questiins lined up. | 19:12 |
| magespawn | They all seem to work in the same way more or less. | 19:13 |
| superfly | magespawn: yeah | 19:13 |
| superfly | magespawn: our target market is really taxi drivers, street sellers, and the like | 19:13 |
| superfly | folks who don't necessarily have a plug socket or a telephone nearby | 19:14 |
| Mezenir | nite all | 19:15 |
| magespawn | Yes thats where most are aimed at, but it is also a good fit for an internet cafe, and I am also going into a animal feed and whole salers that cater to them same sort of market | 19:16 |
| magespawn | Also looking for prepaid/pay phone setup | 19:16 |
| superfly | magespawn: we've noticed that people actually prefer ours to the others out there. We have a couple of sellers who actually have one or two of our competitors' devices, and they prefer using ours :-) | 19:21 |
| magespawn | I also one of the others, did not work so well, main draw back was we had to keep the sim recharged. | 19:22 |
| superfly | ah | 19:23 |
| magespawn | http://debian-handbook.info/2012/the-debian-administrators-handbook-is-available/ | 19:36 |
| superfly | magespawn: I saw | 19:37 |
| superfly | very awesome | 19:37 |
| magespawn | Indeed | 19:39 |
| nuvolari | inetpro: I am using dvorak ya, why? | 20:02 |
| inetpro | nuvolari: 10/05 11:43:21 <charlvn> sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P | 20:03 |
| nuvolari | ah! I missed that :P | 20:05 |
| nuvolari | see, I then have reason to complain about scrollbars :P | 20:05 |
| nuvolari | if that's the next step | 20:05 |
| nuvolari | (after keyboards) | 20:05 |
| magespawn | What is a dvorak keyboard? | 20:17 |
| magespawn | Brb going google | 20:17 |
| Banlam | it is hell on earth | 20:18 |
| Banlam | for 99% of the english speaking population | 20:19 |
| Tonberry | confusion incarnate | 20:19 |
| Banlam | it's bad enough on a german keyboard when the Y and Z are switched | 20:19 |
| magespawn | Do you hardware versions? If not then it would be nearly impossible to learn. | 20:22 |
| Banlam | you do get dvorak keyboards | 20:22 |
| Banlam | you can also just buy stickers | 20:22 |
| Banlam | to put onto a normal keyboard | 20:22 |
| magespawn | Ahh right, I would need to learn to type again but if it really is better would not mind that. | 20:24 |
| Banlam | that's the thiong | 20:26 |
| Banlam | "if it's really better" | 20:26 |
| nuvolari | well, you don't need stickers, that's the idea of touchtyping, typing without looking | 20:28 |
| nuvolari | so I opted for a DASKeyboard, without any printing on it :> | 20:28 |
| nuvolari | so imagine someone trying to work at my desk... no keys to look at, and a different layout :P | 20:29 |
| Banlam | i'm fine with a keyboard without letters | 20:29 |
| Banlam | but if you're trying to learn a new layout | 20:29 |
| magespawn | Can touch type semi well most of the time | 20:30 |
| magespawn | So would need tonlearn the new layout | 20:30 |
| Banlam | what layout do you use? | 20:31 |
| Banlam | @ nuvolari | 20:31 |
| nuvolari | Banlam: dvorak | 20:31 |
| nuvolari | even on my android :P | 20:32 |
| Banlam | the fewtimes I've had to suffer through a dvorak keyboard, it at least had markings | 20:32 |
| Banlam | but i felt like an utter retard | 20:32 |
| Banlam | sitting there | 20:32 |
| Banlam | at like 6 words a minute | 20:32 |
| nuvolari | Banlam: that's me now on a qwerty keyboard | 20:32 |
| magespawn | Maybe I can try it on my droid since it is software only. | 20:32 |
| Banlam | nuvolari, how long ago did you switch though? | 20:33 |
| nuvolari | Banlam: well, around 3 years ago | 20:33 |
| Banlam | thought a bit of muscle memory would still keep you going on a QWERTY :) | 20:34 |
| magespawn | How fast do you type now? | 20:34 |
| Banlam | who? | 20:34 |
| nuvolari | well, on typeracer.com it's averaging on 70/71 wpm | 20:35 |
| magespawn | Anyone. | 20:35 |
| * Banlam gives it a go | 20:35 | |
| nuvolari | the people have crazy scores there! I don't know how it's physically possible | 20:35 |
| magespawn | Thats good though, you could be a typist or pa. | 20:36 |
| nuvolari | ye, that speed is not helping at all when you're coding :P | 20:37 |
| Banlam | 87 wpm | 20:37 |
| Banlam | but that's just one paragraph | 20:37 |
| magespawn | Look like I n3ed to practice a bit, ha, thought 28 wpm was smoking. | 20:38 |
| Banlam | It really depends what you do | 20:39 |
| Banlam | If your work relies on you typign a fair amount | 20:39 |
| Banlam | you will become faster | 20:39 |
| nuvolari | ye, and race on typeracer | 20:41 |
| magespawn | Lol | 20:41 |
| Banlam | with typing tests like that, it also helps when it's sentences in your home language | 20:41 |
| nuvolari | my average increased by about 15wpm since I've started | 20:41 |
| superfly | Forget it. When I race to type fast, my typing goes to the dogs | 20:42 |
| superfly | and it only slows me down | 20:42 |
| Banlam | haha | 20:42 |
| superfly | I can probably do faster if I'm not pressurised to type fast and accurate | 20:42 |
| superfly | and I don't have to look much at the keyboard | 20:43 |
| superfly | (typed all while not looking at my keyboard) | 20:43 |
| superfly | I think I need to seriously look into moving to a dvorak keyboard... it would certainly throw all of my co-workers for a loop :-D | 20:45 |
| magespawn | Friend of mine was on mixit so much he could type with outlooking at the phone, madness. | 20:46 |
| Banlam | magespawn, a qwerty or numpad phone? | 20:46 |
| magespawn | Might lose all the extra time gained explaining what it was. | 20:47 |
| nuvolari | it took around 1-2 months to master dvorak | 20:47 |
| magespawn | Numpad phone. | 20:47 |
| nuvolari | 1 more to use it efficiently | 20:47 |
| Banlam | magespawn, but numpad phones are easy :O | 20:47 |
| Banlam | :P | 20:47 |
| Banlam | you just need to be sure about some of the ambiguous predictive text choices | 20:48 |
| magespawn | That is still madness. | 20:48 |
| magespawn | Nuvolari lots of mistakes at first or just really slow typing? | 20:50 |
| nuvolari | magespawn: well, little bit of both. But it's better to try to not make mistakes, as one might learn those mistakes and then it takes longer | 20:55 |
| nuvolari | magespawn: I also used dvorak7min | 20:56 |
| nuvolari | which is a tutor in the terminal | 20:56 |
| magespawn | Practice makes perfect. | 20:56 |
| nuvolari | you'll start with the important keys, then down the line to the least important | 20:56 |
| nuvolari | I'm going to call it a day. | 20:59 |
| nuvolari | night everyone | 21:00 |
| magespawn | Is it better? | 21:00 |
| magespawn | Night. | 21:00 |
| magespawn | Good night all. | 21:11 |
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