[06:57] <inetpro> good morning
[07:56] <nuvolari> inetpro: It's annoying.
[07:56] <nuvolari> thanks for the link!
[07:58] <inetpro> nuvolari: is it not just a matter of getting used to it?
[07:58] <inetpro> we all hate change
[08:40] <nuvolari> I couldn't get used to it
[08:40] <nuvolari> and it's frustrating most of the time
[08:52] <inetpro> nuvolari: no worries 
[08:52] <inetpro> tbh I also found it annoying
[08:56] <charlvn> good morning all
[08:56] <charlvn> what's the annoyance today?
[08:56] <nlsthzn> o/
[08:56] <nlsthzn> \o
[08:57] <inetpro> charlvn: nuvolari's sliders
[08:58] <charlvn> sliders???
[08:58] <inetpro> or rather the new ubuntu overlay-scrollbar
[08:58] <charlvn> ah
[08:58] <charlvn> yes i know the feeling
[08:58] <charlvn> although i guess it's just a matter of getting used to it
[08:59] <inetpro> luckily we don't have them in kubuntu 
[09:00] <inetpro> nlsthzn: wb
[09:01] <charlvn> yup also on kubuntu here
[09:01] <inetpro> nlsthzn: 09/05 20:47:52 <Kilos> inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please
[09:02] <nlsthzn> thanks inetpro ... yes... time has been scarce... could you return the favour if you see him before me?
[09:02] <inetpro> :-)
[09:03] <nlsthzn> having used the sliders since inception I have gotten used to them... still find them annoying sometimes
[09:04] <inetpro> nlsthzn: will do with pleasure if I have a chance
[09:04] <inetpro> I guess he's run out of airtime again
[09:04] <nlsthzn> :( 
[09:04] <nlsthzn> thanks inetpro 
[09:17] <nuvolari> I doubt one can get used to it...
[09:26] <nlsthzn> when it works like it should there is no distraction... then the next app comes and I am all over the place :p
[09:40] <charlvn> i would find it hard to get worked up about something as simple as a scrollbar... to think we still need to have a discussion like this in 2012, you would think we would be on to bigger and better things by now
[09:40] <charlvn> than having to rethink UI concepts from the 80's/90's
[09:40] <charlvn> don't get me wrong, i am all for innovation... but seriously, some things are just not meant to be changed right?
[09:41] <charlvn> this feels to me a bit like "we should start to eat from square-shaped plates instead of round-shaped plates"
[09:41] <charlvn> or "we need to adopt a hybrid fork-spoon or use chopsticks"
[09:43] <charlvn> sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P
[09:47] <nlsthzn> got to agree... ox wagens is still the way to go...
[09:48] <nlsthzn> just saying :p
[09:51] <charlvn> yeah, they are eco friendly after all; they run off organic renewable fuel sources and and the ox droppings can be used as fertilizer
[10:15] <nuvolari> lol ++
[11:44] <inetpro> hmm.... 
[11:45] <inetpro> nuvolari: didn't you say you use a dvorak keyboard anyway?
[11:48] <charlvn> i would use a dvorak keyboard if i only used one computer but i use various computers and some of them are not my property
[11:48] <charlvn> and various other people use them as well
[11:48] <charlvn> so it would just confuse the living cr4p out of me considering typing is something i do subconciously
[12:10] <inetpro> wb morgs
[12:10] <morgs> hi inetpro 
[12:16] <superfly> hey morgs
[12:16] <morgs> hi superfly 
[12:16] <morgs> first production site deployed on Server 12.04 - very shiny.
[12:16] <superfly> morgs: great
[13:22] <nlsthzn> http://debian-handbook.info/get/
[13:38] <charlvn> hi morgs, long time no speak to
[13:39] <morgs> charlvn: hi!
[13:39] <morgs> charlvn: you with ushahidi now, right?
[13:39] <charlvn> morgs: no i left ushahidi back in feburary
[13:41] <charlvn> morgs: you still with praekelt?
[13:41] <morgs> charlvn: yup
[13:42] <nlsthzn> http://debian-handbook.info/get/
[13:42] <nlsthzn> crap... sorry didn't see I had posted the link already :/
[13:42] <charlvn> lol
[13:42] <charlvn> it happens
[14:03] <superfly> nice, thanks nlsthzn
[14:03] <superfly> hrm, all the teal-coloured people are in IRC today
[14:03] <nlsthzn> np superfly ... 
[14:03] <charlvn> teal-coloured?
[14:04] <superfly> charlvn: yeah, my IRC client colours nicks, and it has set the colour for you, inetpro, morgs and nlsthzn to teal
[14:04] <charlvn> haha
[14:04] <charlvn> what client is that, if you don't mind me asking?
[14:04] <nlsthzn> I got most yellow :p
[14:05] <superfly> charlvn: Quassel
[14:05] <charlvn> ah yes
[14:05] <charlvn> have used it once or twice
[14:05] <superfly> I use it for its bouncer setup
[14:06]  * superfly prefers not having to log into a server to
[14:16] <Squirm> hello
[14:21] <charlvn> hi Squirm 
[14:27] <Squirm> home time
[14:30] <inetpro> superfly: you upgraded to quassel-0.8.0 ?
[14:30] <superfly> inetpro: it seems so
[14:31] <marcog> superfly: the irssi nickcolour script lets you change colours for nicks if they're not what you want
[14:31] <marcog> i love that feature
[14:32] <marcog> although i wish clients were more intelligent about assigning same colour to nicks who often talk at the same time or have the same length
[14:35] <superfly> marcog: it doesn't bother me, I thought it was just interesting/humourous that all the teal-coloured nicks were the ones that were talking at the time
[14:37] <Squirm> home
[14:40] <WOLFEYES> Good day everyone
[14:41] <superfly> hi WOLFEYES
[14:41] <WOLFEYES> how you doing
[14:44] <marcog> superfly: interestingly enough, btw, you, morgs and charlvn are all red by default in irssi
[14:44] <marcog> superfly: i find it much easier to follow when colours are distinct
[14:46] <superfly> marcog: yeah, mine are usually distinct too (you're a bright pink, for whatever reason, and Squirm is red)
[14:50] <WOLFEYES> lol
[15:05] <inetpro> superfly: hang on, how did you set the colors?
[15:06]  * inetpro just noticed that I'm also on quassel-0.8.0
[16:25] <WOLFEYES> nite eveyone
[16:45] <mazal> Evening all
[17:40] <Mezenir> greetings
[17:45] <Squirm> evening
[17:49] <superfly> hi Mezenir, Squirm
[17:52] <Mezenir> whats new tonight
[18:00] <Kilos> hi superfly and other fellas
[18:01] <Kilos> hi refusenik 
[18:01] <Kilos> lol
[18:01] <Kilos> evening psydroid inetpro etc etc\
[18:01] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:01] <charlvn> hi all
[18:01] <charlvn> hi kilos
[18:01] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[18:02] <Kilos> zeref, where are you?
[18:02] <Mezenir> hey kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> yo Mezenir 
[18:02] <inetpro> hello Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> mmm i feel popular tonight
[18:03] <inetpro> Kilos: Neil is sending regards
[18:03] <Kilos> ah ty very much inetpro 
[18:03] <inetpro> says time has been scarce
[18:03] <Kilos> i miss lots just visiting here at night
[18:04] <Kilos> is all well with everyone inetpro ?
[18:04] <Kilos> here and home?
[18:05] <inetpro> Kilos: no big stresses that I know of
[18:05] <Kilos> good
[18:05] <inetpro> apart from primary school driving me up the walls with to many projects
[18:05] <inetpro> for the kids
[18:06] <Kilos> what kinda projects
[18:06] <Kilos> oh their homework
[18:06] <inetpro> with activities and all on many afternoons there's not a lot of time for homework
[18:07] <Kilos> eish
[18:07] <inetpro> the stuff that they get these days is out of this world
[18:07] <psydroid> hi Kilos inetpro Mezenir Squirm charlvn
[18:07] <inetpro> not stuffs that they can actually do on their own
[18:07] <charlvn> hi psydroid 
[18:07] <charlvn> oh my goodness, the first part of this video is totally hilarious http://revision3.com/hak5/monkey-business
[18:08] <Mezenir> hey psy
[18:08] <inetpro> and it's not like anybody teaches them exactly how to do research et al
[18:08] <Kilos> the schools save by making the parents do half the teaching
[18:08] <Mezenir> lol
[18:08] <Mezenir> well at least you can teach them well
[18:08] <Kilos> lol are you teaching them that google is their friend inetpro 
[18:09] <inetpro> Mezenir: heh, when I get back from work I am generally tired up to my ears
[18:09] <Mezenir> you work overtime a lot ?
[18:10] <inetpro> Mezenir: I can't really call it overtime but I do a lot of reading in the evenings
[18:10] <inetpro> reading that is very often work related
[18:11] <Mezenir> ah
[18:11] <Mezenir> self improvement
[18:11] <inetpro> exactly
[18:11] <Mezenir> necessary part of tech jobs
[18:11] <Mezenir> too bad they dont give you time for that
[18:12] <Mezenir> since by the time i get home im seldom in the mood for reading
[18:12] <Kilos> yeah things improve or move ahead so was in the IT world its a massive job to keep up
[18:12] <inetpro> heh, most days end on a note where I just cut my losses and go home
[18:13] <mazal> **sigh** , IT , what can one say
[18:13] <mazal> lo all
[18:13] <Kilos> lol
[18:13] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[18:13] <Mezenir> hi mazal
[18:13] <mazal> Some days I wish the two of us never met
[18:13] <Mezenir> thou these days info is fairly accessible
[18:13] <inetpro> mazal: same here
[18:14] <Mezenir> anyone look at khanacademy ?
[18:14] <Mezenir> some interesting stuff there
[18:14] <mazal> Using it is fun , keeping things going is a different story
[18:14] <Mezenir> hehe
[18:14] <inetpro> the trick is to keep working smarter rather than harder
[18:15] <inetpro> but it doesn't always work out
[18:16] <inetpro> at least I still enjoy most of my work
[18:16] <inetpro> so I'm not here to complain
[18:16] <Mezenir> yeah in programming there are lots of tools to make life easier
[18:18]  * superfly is almost always hacking on some OSS
[18:19] <Mezenir> really ?
[18:19] <Mezenir> what kind
[18:20] <superfly> Mezenir: http://openlp.org is by far my biggest project, but I try to find time for http://projecthq.org
[18:21] <mazal> I have a tricky thing I can't find the problem too
[18:22] <Mezenir> interesting
[18:22] <mazal> Solution too even
[18:22] <mazal> I use 12.04 , unity 3d 
[18:23] <mazal> I never use screen power off settings , just don't like
[18:23] <mazal> so I disable that k
[18:23] <superfly> k
[18:23] <mazal> However , the screen still blanks
[18:23] <mazal> But ONLY if no apps are open
[18:23] <mazal> If for example my Thunderbird is open , then it won't blank
[18:24] <mazal> If if everything is minimized it won't blank , as long as something is open
[18:24] <mazal> But if I just logged in and haven't opened anything yet then it will blank after a while'
[18:24] <mazal> strange
[18:24] <mazal> Not a train smash , but would like to know why
[18:25] <Mezenir> weird
[18:28] <Kilos> mazal, what happens if you activate a screensaver
[18:28] <Kilos> does it still blank
[18:28] <mazal> I don't have screensaver 
[18:29] <Kilos> in those settings where you can choose one does yours show blank screen instead of using a screensaver
[18:29] <mazal> You must mos enable screensavers in some way , there isn't any by default
[18:30] <mazal> as far as I know anyway
[18:30] <Kilos> you most likely are timing out to blank screen
[18:30] <mazal> Turn screen of when inactive are set to "never"
[18:31] <Kilos> check in system - preferences - screensaver what the timeout is
[18:31] <mazal> I can only find a brightness and lock
[18:32] <mazal> No screensaver seettings
[18:32] <Kilos> oh my
[18:32] <Kilos> have they removed that in 12.04
[18:32] <mazal> Yes
[18:33] <mazal> There is some extra stuff you must do to enable screensavers
[18:33] <Kilos> can you install it afterwards
[18:33] <inetpro> mazal: desktop or laptop?
[18:33] <mazal> But I didn't do it as I never use it , don't like a screen that turns off
[18:33] <mazal> Laptop , Acer 5742G 
[18:34] <mazal> With open apps I can leave it all day and it won't turn off. But with no open apps , turns off
[18:34] <Kilos> strange
[18:35] <Kilos> not that hibernate function that needs to be deactivated
[18:35] <inetpro> mazal: not perhaps a BIOS setting?
[18:35] <mazal> What can it be in Bios inetpro ?
[18:36] <inetpro> power saving
[18:37] <mazal> I'll have a look in there , haven't looked for such a setting in my bios yet so don't know if there is any
[18:37] <inetpro> I'm just guessing
[18:38] <mazal> Hehehe at this stage it's a way of reminding me that I forgot to open my mail lol
[18:38] <mazal> Walk past office , screen off , "Ah you must still open your mail" 
[18:39] <Kilos> lol
[18:41] <mazal> Have a good evening all
[18:42] <mazal> sleep well
[18:51] <Kilos> night all , sleep tight
[19:04] <magespawn> Evening all
[19:10] <superfly> sup magespawn
[19:10] <magespawn> Hey writing 50 promo cd for a lodge and you?
[19:10] <superfly> btw, magespawn, that e-mail you sent our sales lady... hehehe... she didn't know how to respond to your questions :-D
[19:11] <superfly> promo CD?
[19:11] <magespawn> Promotional cd. To give out at the Indaba
[19:11] <magespawn> Lol
[19:12] <magespawn> Have looked into these machines before, so had the questiins lined up.
[19:13] <magespawn> They all seem to work in the same way more or less.
[19:13] <superfly> magespawn: yeah
[19:13] <superfly> magespawn: our target market is really taxi drivers, street sellers, and the like
[19:14] <superfly> folks who don't necessarily have a plug socket or a telephone nearby
[19:15] <Mezenir> nite all
[19:16] <magespawn> Yes thats where most are aimed at, but it is also a good fit for an internet cafe, and I am also going into a animal feed and whole salers that cater to them same sort of market
[19:16] <magespawn> Also looking for prepaid/pay phone setup
[19:21] <superfly> magespawn: we've noticed that people actually prefer ours to the others out there. We have a couple of sellers who actually have one or two of our competitors' devices, and they prefer using ours :-)
[19:22] <magespawn> I also one of the others, did not work so well, main draw back was we had to keep the sim recharged.
[19:23] <superfly> ah
[19:36] <magespawn> http://debian-handbook.info/2012/the-debian-administrators-handbook-is-available/
[19:37] <superfly> magespawn: I saw
[19:37] <superfly> very awesome
[19:39] <magespawn> Indeed
[20:02] <nuvolari> inetpro: I am using dvorak ya, why?
[20:03] <inetpro> nuvolari: 10/05 11:43:21 <charlvn> sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P
[20:05] <nuvolari> ah! I missed that :P
[20:05] <nuvolari> see, I then have reason to complain about scrollbars :P
[20:05] <nuvolari> if that's the next step
[20:05] <nuvolari> (after keyboards)
[20:17] <magespawn> What is a dvorak keyboard?
[20:17] <magespawn> Brb going google
[20:18] <Banlam> it is hell on earth
[20:19] <Banlam> for 99% of the english speaking population
[20:19] <Tonberry> confusion incarnate
[20:19] <Banlam> it's bad enough on a german keyboard when the Y and Z are switched
[20:22] <magespawn> Do you hardware versions? If not then it would be nearly impossible to learn.
[20:22] <Banlam> you do get dvorak keyboards
[20:22] <Banlam> you can also just buy stickers
[20:22] <Banlam> to put onto a normal keyboard
[20:24] <magespawn> Ahh right, I would need to learn to type again but if it really is better would not mind that.
[20:26] <Banlam> that's the thiong
[20:26] <Banlam> "if it's really better"
[20:28] <nuvolari> well, you don't need stickers, that's the idea of touchtyping, typing without looking
[20:28] <nuvolari> so I opted for a DASKeyboard, without any printing on it :>
[20:29] <nuvolari> so imagine someone trying to work at my desk... no keys to look at, and a different layout :P
[20:29] <Banlam> i'm fine with a keyboard without letters
[20:29] <Banlam> but if you're trying to learn a new layout
[20:30] <magespawn> Can touch type semi well most of the time
[20:30] <magespawn> So would need tonlearn the new layout
[20:31] <Banlam> what layout do you use?
[20:31] <Banlam> @ nuvolari 
[20:31] <nuvolari> Banlam: dvorak
[20:32] <nuvolari> even on my android :P
[20:32] <Banlam> the fewtimes I've had to suffer through a dvorak keyboard, it at least had markings
[20:32] <Banlam> but i felt like an utter retard
[20:32] <Banlam> sitting there
[20:32] <Banlam> at like 6 words a minute
[20:32] <nuvolari> Banlam: that's me now on a qwerty keyboard
[20:32] <magespawn> Maybe I can try it on my droid since it is software only.
[20:33] <Banlam> nuvolari, how long ago did you switch though?
[20:33] <nuvolari> Banlam: well, around 3 years ago
[20:34] <Banlam> thought a bit of muscle memory would still keep you going on a QWERTY :)
[20:34] <magespawn> How fast do you type now?
[20:34] <Banlam> who?
[20:35] <nuvolari> well, on typeracer.com it's averaging on 70/71 wpm
[20:35] <magespawn> Anyone.
[20:35]  * Banlam gives it a go
[20:35] <nuvolari> the people have crazy scores there! I don't know how it's physically possible
[20:36] <magespawn> Thats good though, you could be a typist or pa.
[20:37] <nuvolari> ye, that speed is not helping at all when you're coding :P
[20:37] <Banlam> 87 wpm
[20:37] <Banlam> but that's just one paragraph
[20:38] <magespawn> Look like I n3ed to practice a bit, ha, thought 28 wpm was smoking.
[20:39] <Banlam> It really depends what you do
[20:39] <Banlam> If your work relies on you typign a fair amount
[20:39] <Banlam> you will become faster
[20:41] <nuvolari> ye, and race on typeracer
[20:41] <magespawn> Lol
[20:41] <Banlam> with typing tests like that, it also helps when it's sentences in your home language
[20:41] <nuvolari> my average increased by about 15wpm since I've started
[20:42] <superfly> Forget it. When I race to type fast, my typing goes to the dogs
[20:42] <superfly> and it only slows me down
[20:42] <Banlam> haha
[20:42] <superfly> I can probably do faster if I'm not pressurised to type fast and accurate
[20:43] <superfly> and I don't have to look much at the keyboard
[20:43] <superfly> (typed all while not looking at my keyboard)
[20:45] <superfly> I think I need to seriously look into moving to a dvorak keyboard... it would certainly throw all of my co-workers for a loop :-D
[20:46] <magespawn> Friend of mine was on mixit so much he could type with outlooking at the phone, madness.
[20:46] <Banlam> magespawn, a qwerty or numpad phone?
[20:47] <magespawn> Might lose all the extra time gained explaining what it was.
[20:47] <nuvolari> it took around 1-2 months to master dvorak
[20:47] <magespawn> Numpad phone.
[20:47] <nuvolari> 1 more to use it efficiently
[20:47] <Banlam> magespawn, but numpad phones are easy :O
[20:47] <Banlam> :P
[20:48] <Banlam> you just need to be sure about some of the ambiguous predictive text choices
[20:48] <magespawn> That is still madness.
[20:50] <magespawn> Nuvolari lots of mistakes at first or just really slow typing?
[20:55] <nuvolari> magespawn: well, little bit of both. But it's better to try to not make mistakes, as one might learn those mistakes and then it takes longer
[20:56] <nuvolari> magespawn: I also used dvorak7min
[20:56] <nuvolari> which is a tutor in the terminal
[20:56] <magespawn> Practice makes perfect.
[20:56] <nuvolari> you'll start with the important keys, then down the line to the least important
[20:59] <nuvolari> I'm going to call it a day.
[21:00] <nuvolari> night everyone
[21:00] <magespawn> Is it better?
[21:00] <magespawn>  Night.
[21:11] <magespawn> Good night all.