=== Kerbero is now known as Kerbero[afk] === Kerbero[afk] is now known as Kerbero [06:57] good morning [07:56] inetpro: It's annoying. [07:56] thanks for the link! [07:58] nuvolari: is it not just a matter of getting used to it? [07:58] we all hate change [08:40] I couldn't get used to it [08:40] and it's frustrating most of the time [08:52] nuvolari: no worries [08:52] tbh I also found it annoying [08:56] good morning all [08:56] what's the annoyance today? [08:56] o/ [08:56] \o [08:57] charlvn: nuvolari's sliders [08:58] sliders??? [08:58] or rather the new ubuntu overlay-scrollbar [08:58] ah [08:58] yes i know the feeling [08:58] although i guess it's just a matter of getting used to it [08:59] luckily we don't have them in kubuntu [09:00] nlsthzn: wb [09:01] yup also on kubuntu here [09:01] nlsthzn: 09/05 20:47:52 inetpro, do me a favour and say hi to neil if you see him online during the day please [09:02] thanks inetpro ... yes... time has been scarce... could you return the favour if you see him before me? [09:02] :-) [09:03] having used the sliders since inception I have gotten used to them... still find them annoying sometimes [09:04] nlsthzn: will do with pleasure if I have a chance [09:04] I guess he's run out of airtime again [09:04] :( [09:04] thanks inetpro [09:17] I doubt one can get used to it... [09:26] when it works like it should there is no distraction... then the next app comes and I am all over the place :p [09:40] i would find it hard to get worked up about something as simple as a scrollbar... to think we still need to have a discussion like this in 2012, you would think we would be on to bigger and better things by now [09:40] than having to rethink UI concepts from the 80's/90's [09:40] don't get me wrong, i am all for innovation... but seriously, some things are just not meant to be changed right? [09:41] this feels to me a bit like "we should start to eat from square-shaped plates instead of round-shaped plates" [09:41] or "we need to adopt a hybrid fork-spoon or use chopsticks" [09:43] sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P [09:47] got to agree... ox wagens is still the way to go... [09:48] just saying :p [09:51] yeah, they are eco friendly after all; they run off organic renewable fuel sources and and the ox droppings can be used as fertilizer [10:15] lol ++ [11:44] hmm.... [11:45] nuvolari: didn't you say you use a dvorak keyboard anyway? [11:48] i would use a dvorak keyboard if i only used one computer but i use various computers and some of them are not my property [11:48] and various other people use them as well [11:48] so it would just confuse the living cr4p out of me considering typing is something i do subconciously [12:10] wb morgs [12:10] hi inetpro [12:16] hey morgs [12:16] hi superfly [12:16] first production site deployed on Server 12.04 - very shiny. [12:16] morgs: great [13:22] http://debian-handbook.info/get/ [13:38] hi morgs, long time no speak to [13:39] charlvn: hi! [13:39] charlvn: you with ushahidi now, right? [13:39] morgs: no i left ushahidi back in feburary [13:41] morgs: you still with praekelt? [13:41] charlvn: yup [13:42] http://debian-handbook.info/get/ [13:42] crap... sorry didn't see I had posted the link already :/ [13:42] lol [13:42] it happens [14:03] nice, thanks nlsthzn [14:03] hrm, all the teal-coloured people are in IRC today [14:03] np superfly ... [14:03] teal-coloured? [14:04] charlvn: yeah, my IRC client colours nicks, and it has set the colour for you, inetpro, morgs and nlsthzn to teal [14:04] haha [14:04] what client is that, if you don't mind me asking? [14:04] I got most yellow :p [14:05] charlvn: Quassel [14:05] ah yes [14:05] have used it once or twice [14:05] I use it for its bouncer setup [14:06] * superfly prefers not having to log into a server to [14:16] hello [14:21] hi Squirm [14:27] home time [14:30] superfly: you upgraded to quassel-0.8.0 ? [14:30] inetpro: it seems so [14:31] superfly: the irssi nickcolour script lets you change colours for nicks if they're not what you want [14:31] i love that feature [14:32] although i wish clients were more intelligent about assigning same colour to nicks who often talk at the same time or have the same length [14:35] marcog: it doesn't bother me, I thought it was just interesting/humourous that all the teal-coloured nicks were the ones that were talking at the time [14:37] home [14:40] Good day everyone [14:41] hi WOLFEYES [14:41] how you doing [14:44] superfly: interestingly enough, btw, you, morgs and charlvn are all red by default in irssi [14:44] superfly: i find it much easier to follow when colours are distinct [14:46] marcog: yeah, mine are usually distinct too (you're a bright pink, for whatever reason, and Squirm is red) [14:50] lol [15:05] superfly: hang on, how did you set the colors? [15:06] * inetpro just noticed that I'm also on quassel-0.8.0 [16:25] nite eveyone [16:45] Evening all [17:40] greetings [17:45] evening [17:49] hi Mezenir, Squirm [17:52] whats new tonight [18:00] hi superfly and other fellas [18:01] hi refusenik [18:01] lol [18:01] evening psydroid inetpro etc etc\ [18:01] hi Kilos [18:01] hi all [18:01] hi kilos [18:01] hi charlvn [18:02] zeref, where are you? [18:02] hey kilos [18:02] yo Mezenir [18:02] hello Kilos [18:02] mmm i feel popular tonight [18:03] Kilos: Neil is sending regards [18:03] ah ty very much inetpro [18:03] says time has been scarce [18:03] i miss lots just visiting here at night [18:04] is all well with everyone inetpro ? [18:04] here and home? [18:05] Kilos: no big stresses that I know of [18:05] good [18:05] apart from primary school driving me up the walls with to many projects [18:05] for the kids [18:06] what kinda projects [18:06] oh their homework [18:06] with activities and all on many afternoons there's not a lot of time for homework [18:07] eish [18:07] the stuff that they get these days is out of this world [18:07] hi Kilos inetpro Mezenir Squirm charlvn [18:07] not stuffs that they can actually do on their own [18:07] hi psydroid [18:07] oh my goodness, the first part of this video is totally hilarious http://revision3.com/hak5/monkey-business [18:08] hey psy [18:08] and it's not like anybody teaches them exactly how to do research et al [18:08] the schools save by making the parents do half the teaching [18:08] lol [18:08] well at least you can teach them well [18:08] lol are you teaching them that google is their friend inetpro [18:09] Mezenir: heh, when I get back from work I am generally tired up to my ears [18:09] you work overtime a lot ? [18:10] Mezenir: I can't really call it overtime but I do a lot of reading in the evenings [18:10] reading that is very often work related [18:11] ah [18:11] self improvement [18:11] exactly [18:11] necessary part of tech jobs [18:11] too bad they dont give you time for that [18:12] since by the time i get home im seldom in the mood for reading [18:12] yeah things improve or move ahead so was in the IT world its a massive job to keep up [18:12] heh, most days end on a note where I just cut my losses and go home [18:13] **sigh** , IT , what can one say [18:13] lo all [18:13] lol [18:13] hi mazal [18:13] hi mazal [18:13] Some days I wish the two of us never met [18:13] thou these days info is fairly accessible [18:13] mazal: same here [18:14] anyone look at khanacademy ? [18:14] some interesting stuff there [18:14] Using it is fun , keeping things going is a different story [18:14] hehe [18:14] the trick is to keep working smarter rather than harder [18:15] but it doesn't always work out [18:16] at least I still enjoy most of my work [18:16] so I'm not here to complain [18:16] yeah in programming there are lots of tools to make life easier [18:18] * superfly is almost always hacking on some OSS [18:19] really ? [18:19] what kind [18:20] Mezenir: http://openlp.org is by far my biggest project, but I try to find time for http://projecthq.org [18:21] I have a tricky thing I can't find the problem too [18:22] interesting [18:22] Solution too even [18:22] I use 12.04 , unity 3d [18:23] I never use screen power off settings , just don't like [18:23] so I disable that k [18:23] k [18:23] However , the screen still blanks [18:23] But ONLY if no apps are open [18:23] If for example my Thunderbird is open , then it won't blank [18:24] If if everything is minimized it won't blank , as long as something is open [18:24] But if I just logged in and haven't opened anything yet then it will blank after a while' [18:24] strange [18:24] Not a train smash , but would like to know why [18:25] weird [18:28] mazal, what happens if you activate a screensaver [18:28] does it still blank [18:28] I don't have screensaver [18:29] in those settings where you can choose one does yours show blank screen instead of using a screensaver [18:29] You must mos enable screensavers in some way , there isn't any by default [18:30] as far as I know anyway [18:30] you most likely are timing out to blank screen [18:30] Turn screen of when inactive are set to "never" [18:31] check in system - preferences - screensaver what the timeout is [18:31] I can only find a brightness and lock [18:32] No screensaver seettings [18:32] oh my [18:32] have they removed that in 12.04 [18:32] Yes [18:33] There is some extra stuff you must do to enable screensavers [18:33] can you install it afterwards [18:33] mazal: desktop or laptop? [18:33] But I didn't do it as I never use it , don't like a screen that turns off [18:33] Laptop , Acer 5742G [18:34] With open apps I can leave it all day and it won't turn off. But with no open apps , turns off [18:34] strange [18:35] not that hibernate function that needs to be deactivated [18:35] mazal: not perhaps a BIOS setting? [18:35] What can it be in Bios inetpro ? [18:36] power saving [18:37] I'll have a look in there , haven't looked for such a setting in my bios yet so don't know if there is any [18:37] I'm just guessing [18:38] Hehehe at this stage it's a way of reminding me that I forgot to open my mail lol [18:38] Walk past office , screen off , "Ah you must still open your mail" [18:39] lol [18:41] Have a good evening all [18:42] sleep well [18:51] night all , sleep tight [19:04] Evening all [19:10] sup magespawn [19:10] Hey writing 50 promo cd for a lodge and you? [19:10] btw, magespawn, that e-mail you sent our sales lady... hehehe... she didn't know how to respond to your questions :-D [19:11] promo CD? [19:11] Promotional cd. To give out at the Indaba [19:11] Lol [19:12] Have looked into these machines before, so had the questiins lined up. [19:13] They all seem to work in the same way more or less. [19:13] magespawn: yeah [19:13] magespawn: our target market is really taxi drivers, street sellers, and the like [19:14] folks who don't necessarily have a plug socket or a telephone nearby [19:15] nite all [19:16] Yes thats where most are aimed at, but it is also a good fit for an internet cafe, and I am also going into a animal feed and whole salers that cater to them same sort of market [19:16] Also looking for prepaid/pay phone setup [19:21] magespawn: we've noticed that people actually prefer ours to the others out there. We have a couple of sellers who actually have one or two of our competitors' devices, and they prefer using ours :-) [19:22] I also one of the others, did not work so well, main draw back was we had to keep the sim recharged. [19:23] ah [19:36] http://debian-handbook.info/2012/the-debian-administrators-handbook-is-available/ [19:37] magespawn: I saw [19:37] very awesome [19:39] Indeed [20:02] inetpro: I am using dvorak ya, why? [20:03] nuvolari: 10/05 11:43:21 sure, there might be practical advantages... but seriously... let's just move to dvorak keyboards first :P [20:05] ah! I missed that :P [20:05] see, I then have reason to complain about scrollbars :P [20:05] if that's the next step [20:05] (after keyboards) [20:17] What is a dvorak keyboard? [20:17] Brb going google [20:18] it is hell on earth [20:19] for 99% of the english speaking population [20:19] confusion incarnate [20:19] it's bad enough on a german keyboard when the Y and Z are switched [20:22] Do you hardware versions? If not then it would be nearly impossible to learn. [20:22] you do get dvorak keyboards [20:22] you can also just buy stickers [20:22] to put onto a normal keyboard [20:24] Ahh right, I would need to learn to type again but if it really is better would not mind that. [20:26] that's the thiong [20:26] "if it's really better" [20:28] well, you don't need stickers, that's the idea of touchtyping, typing without looking [20:28] so I opted for a DASKeyboard, without any printing on it :> [20:29] so imagine someone trying to work at my desk... no keys to look at, and a different layout :P [20:29] i'm fine with a keyboard without letters [20:29] but if you're trying to learn a new layout [20:30] Can touch type semi well most of the time [20:30] So would need tonlearn the new layout [20:31] what layout do you use? [20:31] @ nuvolari [20:31] Banlam: dvorak [20:32] even on my android :P [20:32] the fewtimes I've had to suffer through a dvorak keyboard, it at least had markings [20:32] but i felt like an utter retard [20:32] sitting there [20:32] at like 6 words a minute [20:32] Banlam: that's me now on a qwerty keyboard [20:32] Maybe I can try it on my droid since it is software only. [20:33] nuvolari, how long ago did you switch though? [20:33] Banlam: well, around 3 years ago [20:34] thought a bit of muscle memory would still keep you going on a QWERTY :) [20:34] How fast do you type now? [20:34] who? [20:35] well, on typeracer.com it's averaging on 70/71 wpm [20:35] Anyone. [20:35] * Banlam gives it a go [20:35] the people have crazy scores there! I don't know how it's physically possible [20:36] Thats good though, you could be a typist or pa. [20:37] ye, that speed is not helping at all when you're coding :P [20:37] 87 wpm [20:37] but that's just one paragraph [20:38] Look like I n3ed to practice a bit, ha, thought 28 wpm was smoking. [20:39] It really depends what you do [20:39] If your work relies on you typign a fair amount [20:39] you will become faster [20:41] ye, and race on typeracer [20:41] Lol [20:41] with typing tests like that, it also helps when it's sentences in your home language [20:41] my average increased by about 15wpm since I've started [20:42] Forget it. When I race to type fast, my typing goes to the dogs [20:42] and it only slows me down [20:42] haha [20:42] I can probably do faster if I'm not pressurised to type fast and accurate [20:43] and I don't have to look much at the keyboard [20:43] (typed all while not looking at my keyboard) [20:45] I think I need to seriously look into moving to a dvorak keyboard... it would certainly throw all of my co-workers for a loop :-D [20:46] Friend of mine was on mixit so much he could type with outlooking at the phone, madness. [20:46] magespawn, a qwerty or numpad phone? [20:47] Might lose all the extra time gained explaining what it was. [20:47] it took around 1-2 months to master dvorak [20:47] Numpad phone. [20:47] 1 more to use it efficiently [20:47] magespawn, but numpad phones are easy :O [20:47] :P [20:48] you just need to be sure about some of the ambiguous predictive text choices [20:48] That is still madness. [20:50] Nuvolari lots of mistakes at first or just really slow typing? [20:55] magespawn: well, little bit of both. But it's better to try to not make mistakes, as one might learn those mistakes and then it takes longer [20:56] magespawn: I also used dvorak7min [20:56] which is a tutor in the terminal [20:56] Practice makes perfect. [20:56] you'll start with the important keys, then down the line to the least important [20:59] I'm going to call it a day. [21:00] night everyone [21:00] Is it better? [21:00] Night. [21:11] Good night all.