| pleia2 | in a QA session, QAing it up | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| ochosi | :) | 00:21 |
| ochosi | good luck! | 00:21 |
| ochosi | how was the flavors-session btw? | 00:22 |
| pleia2 | the plenary presentation? | 00:22 |
| ochosi | yes | 00:22 |
| ochosi | i saw a pic on your blog, but didn't have time to read | 00:23 |
| pleia2 | was good :) | 00:24 |
| ochosi | good feedback? | 00:24 |
| pleia2 | yes, lots of good discussions afterwards (lots of people didn't know I did xubuntu stuff) | 00:24 |
| ochosi | kewl | 00:25 |
| ochosi | it's really great you're there | 00:25 |
| ochosi | guess that raises awareness for xubuntu by..hmm... let's say 100% :) | 00:25 |
| ochosi | it's getting late where i am, have fun @uds, ttyl pleia2 ! | 00:26 |
| pleia2 | thanks :) good night | 00:26 |
| knome | pleia2, hey! | 00:41 |
| knome | pleia2, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel | 00:41 |
| pleia2 | mailing list! | 00:42 |
| pleia2 | whoa | 00:42 |
| knome | did you open the link? | 00:42 |
| knome | ;) | 00:42 |
| pleia2 | that's pretty | 00:42 |
| knome | gooD! | 00:42 |
| pleia2 | I learned about checkbox this week | 00:42 |
| knome | checkbox? | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Checkbox | 00:43 |
| pleia2 | we should make some :) | 00:43 |
| knome | yeah | 00:43 |
| knome | maybe talk with astraljava on that | 00:44 |
| * pleia2 nods | 00:44 | |
| knome | uoh, almost 4am | 00:46 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 00:47 |
| pleia2 | good night, knome! | 00:47 |
| knome | hmm, did i say i'm going? :P | 00:47 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 00:47 |
| Unit193 | Yep, much better. | 00:51 |
| knome | i suppose i'm off to bed now | 00:54 |
| knome | so nighty, and have fun you there | 00:54 |
| pleia2 | night :) | 00:54 |
| Unit193 | Good night. | 00:54 |
| AyaneForever | Will Xfce 4.10 be in the precise repositories at a later time so we can install them easily if we so choose? Same way users and get Gnome-Shell | 05:04 |
| astraljava | Ooh, test automation. /me drools | 05:05 |
| Unit193 | No, but you can add a thirdparty ppa, it just won't be supported. | 05:05 |
| ochosi | oh, checkbox looks interesting | 07:04 |
| ochosi | just started working on a dark style for the logout-dialog: https://plus.google.com/photos/106086509626546157534/albums/5740863326954886321/5740863326268694530 | 11:22 |
| ochosi | Unit193: since you mention blackbird every now and then, i think blackbird will be gtk3 only (when it happens), inner-border highlights can't really be done in a sensible way in gtk2 to allow a really nice dark style (at least not with murrine) | 11:23 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: ping | 15:58 |
| bluesabre | hey | 15:59 |
| ochosi | hi sean | 15:59 |
| bluesabre | hows it going simon? | 15:59 |
| ochosi | fine fine :) | 15:59 |
| ochosi | one sec, tel | 16:00 |
| ochosi | ok, back | 16:04 |
| ochosi | yeah, i just started fiddling with dark styles again | 16:04 |
| ochosi | since i remembered that the logout-dialog is finally themeable in xfce4.10 | 16:04 |
| ochosi | about the shortcuts-overlay | 16:04 |
| ochosi | i think it might be of value talking to some folks in #xfce-dev | 16:05 |
| ochosi | they might have some pointers for you/us | 16:05 |
| bluesabre | thats a good idea | 16:05 |
| ochosi | i think that jeromeg did most of the kb-shortcuts stuff and the notification daemon | 16:06 |
| ochosi | but he's not around much lately | 16:06 |
| ochosi | was a rather quiet day today in that channel :) | 16:06 |
| ochosi | what timezone are you in? | 16:06 |
| bluesabre | eastern (US) | 16:06 |
| bluesabre | gmt-5 I think | 16:07 |
| ochosi | so it's midnight where you are? | 16:07 |
| bluesabre | noon | 16:07 |
| ochosi | oh darn, wrong direction :) | 16:07 |
| bluesabre | lol | 16:07 |
| bluesabre | yeah, work is slow, so I generally have time for other projects | 16:08 |
| ochosi | well noon is good i guess, that means it's not too late when people get off work here | 16:08 |
| ochosi | most people in #xfce-dev are from europe | 16:08 |
| ochosi | that's nice! | 16:08 |
| ochosi | i also try to make some spare time to work on xubuntu stuff | 16:08 |
| ochosi | do you know any of the xubuntu-folks yet? | 16:09 |
| bluesabre | nope | 16:10 |
| ochosi | ok, there's knome, he's currently the project lead | 16:10 |
| ochosi | micahg and mr_pouit do the packaging and most of the technical stuff | 16:10 |
| ochosi | pleia2 (currently at uds) does web/marketing | 16:11 |
| ochosi | those are the ones with official roles in the team | 16:11 |
| ochosi | (well and me, but you know me already) | 16:11 |
| bluesabre | cool | 16:12 |
| ochosi | but there are also a few others folks who help with testing etc | 16:12 |
| ochosi | yeah, we're a tiny team :) | 16:12 |
| ochosi | makes it easier to manage though | 16:12 |
| bluesabre | I can imagine that would help for collaborating | 16:13 |
| ochosi | luckily most of those guys/girls are on irc, that makes things more direct and quicker | 16:13 |
| ochosi | but it also means we're limited with what we can do | 16:14 |
| ochosi | mostly we can try to distribute, only very seldomly really develop something | 16:15 |
| bluesabre | It's a good thing that xfce is so mature then | 16:16 |
| ochosi | yes, it's not moving at the speed of light, but the devs are really keen to keep it stable | 16:17 |
| ochosi | (i mean the development, xfce itself is fast :) ) | 16:17 |
| bluesabre | right | 16:19 |
| bluesabre | So are the xfce-devs online throughout much of the day? | 16:19 |
| ochosi | yeah, but that also depends on their workdays | 16:20 |
| ochosi | so it differs | 16:20 |
| ochosi | but generally i'd say yes | 16:20 |
| bluesabre | cool | 16:20 |
| ochosi | if you have a remote login, that's really practical, because you can ping others and ask questions and they'll answer whenever they're around | 16:20 |
| bluesabre | Makes sense. I'll get something like that set up | 16:21 |
| knome | bluesabre, hello | 16:21 |
| bluesabre | hi knome | 16:21 |
| ochosi | hullo knome :) | 16:21 |
| knome | hi ochosi | 16:21 |
| ochosi | knome: any opinion on the dark logout stuff? | 16:22 |
| knome | ochosi, shots? | 16:22 |
| ochosi | knome: https://plus.google.com/photos/106086509626546157534/albums/5740863326954886321/5740863326268694530 | 16:22 |
| knome | ochosi, generally i think it would add consistency, i think | 16:22 |
| ochosi | knome: wow, you _think_ a lot there ;) | 16:22 |
| knome | maybe tune it a bit, but looks okay | 16:22 |
| knome | haha, yeah, oops... | 16:23 |
| ochosi | hehe | 16:23 |
| knome | just sitting down for a while | 16:23 |
| knome | ice hockey soon | 16:23 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, what i originally wanted to do is add some light inner borders to the buttons | 16:23 |
| ochosi | sadly that's impossible with murrine | 16:23 |
| ochosi | mmm, icehockey sounds like fun | 16:23 |
| ochosi | we have 27°C here ;) | 16:23 |
| knome | heh | 16:23 |
| knome | it's just my country is going to crush mr_pouit's country this time ;) | 16:24 |
| ochosi | these are the kind of buttons i'd love to do: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/097/4/c/eidete__rebound__by_danrabbit-d4v9moe.png | 16:24 |
| ochosi | ooh :) | 16:24 |
| knome | yeah, that's not bad | 16:24 |
| ochosi | we'll have to wait for gtk3 for that style though | 16:24 |
| knome | yeah | 16:24 |
| ochosi | unless i overlooked an obvious option | 16:24 |
| knome | anyway, i'm off | 16:24 |
| knome | will be back later in the evening | 16:24 |
| ochosi | ok, hf | 16:24 |
| knome | bluesabre, if you're here too later, see you too :) | 16:24 |
| knome | hf you too | 16:25 |
| bluesabre | thanks | 16:25 |
| bluesabre | seeya | 16:25 |
| ochosi | better or worse? http://imagebin.org/211855 | 16:36 |
| bluesabre | I think I like it better | 16:39 |
| mr_pouit | knome: :> | 16:41 |
| ochosi | i'm still tweaking, but i think the buttons are more visible | 16:41 |
| ochosi | thoughts mr_pouit ? | 16:41 |
| mr_pouit | not sure, I'd say they are slightly less visible now (but I like it better as well :p) | 16:43 |
| ochosi | oh no, i hate it when that happens (uni rebooted the server :( ) | 16:45 |
| ochosi | what did i miss? | 16:45 |
| mr_pouit | not sure, I'd say they are slightly less visible now (but I like it better as well :p) | 16:47 |
| mr_pouit | maybe you mised that | 16:47 |
| mr_pouit | +s | 16:47 |
| ochosi | ok :) | 16:47 |
| mr_pouit | (time to catch my train, bbl) | 16:47 |
| ochosi | ok, see ya | 16:47 |
| bluesabre | I pushed an update to the overlay. For now, there is a new file that does system calls to xfconf-query to eliminate the bs4 dependency | 16:48 |
| bluesabre | though, there is probably a better solution still | 16:49 |
| ochosi | right, would be interesting to know what creates more overhead | 16:53 |
| ochosi | (or whether it doesn't matter much) | 16:53 |
| bluesabre | since I am using python, there's going to be some overhead no matter what. I might look into putting it together with c/c++ or vala | 16:58 |
| bluesabre | but, one step at a time, right? | 16:59 |
| ochosi | sure thing :) | 16:59 |
| ochosi | no hurry, we still have until 12.10 feature-freeze ;) | 17:00 |
| ochosi | finally took on blackbird again. gaze in awe: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05102012-081421pm.php | 18:14 |
| bluesabre | What is this theme and where do I get it!? :-D | 18:15 |
| ochosi | hehe | 18:15 |
| ochosi | this is blackbird, the dark variant of greybird that i've been secretly workin on in my cellar ;) | 18:16 |
| ochosi | no seriously, it's _very_ unfinished | 18:16 |
| bluesabre | looks really sharp | 18:16 |
| ochosi | ty | 18:16 |
| ochosi | just did the window-borders | 18:16 |
| ochosi | there's still a lot to do | 18:16 |
| bluesabre | think it might see the 12.10 release? | 18:17 |
| ochosi | well, i'm keeping fingers crossed | 18:17 |
| ochosi | but it depends | 18:17 |
| ochosi | last cycle a lot of things changed in gtk3 and in unico-engine | 18:17 |
| ochosi | so i had to work on greybird quite a bit | 18:17 |
| ochosi | because that should be flawless, since it's the defaul | 18:17 |
| ochosi | t | 18:17 |
| bluesabre | right | 18:17 |
| ochosi | unfortunately i'm quite alone on this | 18:17 |
| ochosi | would be great to have someone else help out with that | 18:18 |
| bluesabre | I suck at theming | 18:18 |
| ochosi | well to some extent it's mechanical and to some it's trial and error | 18:18 |
| ochosi | at least as soon as you know where you wanna go | 18:18 |
| baizon | ochosi: looking awesome :) | 18:21 |
| ochosi | baizon: ty :) | 18:21 |
| ochosi | k i'm off for now, bbl | 18:22 |
| bluesabre | seeya | 18:23 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: Errr... I was waiting and keeping that in offtopic, except when asked what I used that time. | 18:29 |
| baizon | New LightDM theme <- are there precise plans? | 19:55 |
| Unit193 | Pretzel you mean? (Q) | 19:58 |
| knome | here i am | 20:03 |
| Unit193 | Dang, he's back. ;) | 20:03 |
| knome | ochosi, blackbird looks good. i'd probably rethink the window button contrast though | 20:03 |
| knome | ochosi, that complete-white could work as pressed-state though | 20:04 |
| SATop | blackbird ? | 20:04 |
| Unit193 | Shimmer theme. | 20:04 |
| knome | referring to http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05102012-081421pm.php | 20:04 |
| knome | ochosi, i think black-and-white theme would be awesome. i mean, cut the colors on the theme to minimum, at most use some really light blue hues or so | 20:05 |
| SATop | i like white text on black theme with a blue color or something | 20:06 |
| Unit193 | This may only be for the weirdos and freaks (...me?) | 20:07 |
| knome | let's see what ochosi comes up with (and what i can convince him to come up with) | 20:07 |
| SATop | especcially for toolbars/panels | 20:07 |
| knome | Unit193, i wouldn't say so, but as long as dark themes have so many problems, they will most probably not be widely used | 20:07 |
| bramwelt | /wi/win 2 | 20:24 |
| bramwelt | herp | 20:24 |
| baizon | derp | 20:26 |
| ochosi | ahoi everyone | 21:03 |
| ochosi | i'll be around in a few mins | 21:03 |
| knome | hey hey ochosi :) | 21:03 |
| ochosi | :) | 21:03 |
| ochosi | i think i'm slowly but surely figuring out how to make decent dark buttons in gtk2 | 21:04 |
| knome | hehe | 21:04 |
| ochosi | Unit193: no worries, i'm reviving blackbird on my own terms (because i _want_ to and because i'm slowly starting to have a vision of what it could look like) | 21:04 |
| ochosi | bbiab | 21:04 |
| knome | np: a-ha / Take On Me | 21:05 |
| knome | ;) | 21:05 |
| Unit193 | I can pull from git and "test" if I know what I'm looking for. | 21:07 |
| knome | Unit193, iirc, ochosi said there's something else to test with 4.8 too :) | 21:08 |
| Unit193 | Hmmm, must hvae forgotten. :/ | 21:22 |
| knome | Unit193, could've been on #shimmer too | 21:23 |
| * Unit193 isn't there, so wouldn't be a forgotten thing. | 21:23 | |
| knome | yeah | 21:24 |
| knome | i'm guessing that's most probably what it was | 21:24 |
| knome | some testing for greybird | 21:24 |
| SATop | brainstormed, compiz expo and scale plugin ... in xfce/xubuntu without compiz itself | 22:11 |
| ochosi | i'm back, later than anticipated | 22:25 |
| knome | heh :) | 22:25 |
| ochosi | knome: yes, my most recent greybird-commit for the dark logout screen | 22:25 |
| ochosi | but in the meantime i'm rather sure it won't work with 4.8 | 22:26 |
| ochosi | anyhoo, i'm not sure whether i want to tune down the contrasts too much with blackbird | 22:27 |
| ochosi | a smooth darkgrey theme that looks nice at the same time is kinda difficult | 22:27 |
| ochosi | i think i'll try something more contrasty first | 22:28 |
| knome | mmh. | 22:28 |
| knome | once you get most of the bugs fixed ;) i can try to play with the colors | 22:28 |
| ochosi | well bugs, i'm not even talking about bugs yet | 22:29 |
| ochosi | first i have to fix one widget after the other | 22:29 |
| ochosi | buttons are no.1 for now, they seem hardest and most important to me atm | 22:29 |
| ochosi | and i have to figure out a highlight-color | 22:30 |
| ochosi | i mean the selected_bg_color | 22:30 |
| ochosi | if you have ideas don't hold them back :P | 22:30 |
| knome | well bugs/getting everything to work at least somehow and set the basic style | 22:30 |
| knome | what if selected was *really dark* ? | 22:31 |
| ochosi | hmm, not 100% sure | 22:31 |
| knome | try it | 22:31 |
| ochosi | but the fact that this would mean not having real colours is tempting | 22:31 |
| knome | that was my idea ;) | 22:32 |
| ochosi | i'm already starting to feel better about the notebook-style: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-123824am.php | 22:38 |
| knome | mmh | 22:39 |
| ochosi | think i'll continue with the window manager for a bit now | 22:39 |
| ochosi | there are still quite a few buttons missing | 22:39 |
| ochosi | and i'm not sure about the highlighted-state | 22:39 |
| ochosi | ok, first stab at active-inactive window-borders: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-124714am.php | 22:47 |
| knome | yup | 22:48 |
| ochosi | subtle, but actually easily distinguishable | 22:49 |
| ochosi | at least in rl-testing | 22:49 |
| ochosi | the minimize button looks kinda fat atm | 22:55 |
| ochosi | but maybe that's not even the worst thing | 22:55 |
| ochosi | status quo: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-125942am.php | 22:59 |
| ochosi | or better: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-010452am.php | 23:05 |
| knome | what if the inactive window button icons were smaller? possible? | 23:08 |
| ochosi | sure | 23:10 |
| ochosi | but don't forget that you'll still sometimes want to hit them | 23:10 |
| ochosi | even if a window is not in the foreground, i sometimes tend to close or minimize them without wanting to bring them to the front first (because the buttons are too small to really handle them) | 23:12 |
| knome | i mean, not smaller smaller, just thinner looking | 23:12 |
| ochosi | hm, well, probably possible, depends on your skillset mostly :) | 23:12 |
| knome | you mean, *your* ? | 23:13 |
| knome | :) | 23:13 |
| ochosi | atm they're ~2px wide | 23:13 |
| ochosi | could start to look fuzzy at ~1px | 23:13 |
| ochosi | but maybe worth a try | 23:13 |
| knome | maybe... maybe not :) | 23:13 |
| ochosi | yup, not sure tbh :) | 23:13 |
| ochosi | i think widget-wise i'll fix next what annoys me the most | 23:15 |
| ochosi | so either the highlight-color, which is rather difficult, or the scrollbars | 23:15 |
| knome | mmh | 23:16 |
| ochosi | think the scrollbar-style is also slowly getting somewhere: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-013314am.php | 23:33 |
| Unit193 | Yeah, that black thing is nice. | 23:34 |
| ochosi | okie, off for now, night everyone! | 23:47 |
| knome | night ochosi | 23:48 |
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