[00:21] in a QA session, QAing it up [00:21] :) [00:21] good luck! [00:22] how was the flavors-session btw? [00:22] the plenary presentation? [00:22] yes [00:23] i saw a pic on your blog, but didn't have time to read [00:24] was good :) [00:24] good feedback? [00:24] yes, lots of good discussions afterwards (lots of people didn't know I did xubuntu stuff) [00:25] kewl [00:25] it's really great you're there [00:25] guess that raises awareness for xubuntu by..hmm... let's say 100% :) [00:26] it's getting late where i am, have fun @uds, ttyl pleia2 ! [00:26] thanks :) good night [00:41] pleia2, hey! [00:41] pleia2, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel [00:42] mailing list! [00:42] whoa [00:42] did you open the link? [00:42] ;) [00:42] that's pretty [00:42] gooD! [00:42] I learned about checkbox this week [00:43] checkbox? [00:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation/Checkbox [00:43] we should make some :) [00:43] yeah [00:44] maybe talk with astraljava on that [00:44] * pleia2 nods [00:46] uoh, almost 4am [00:47] hehe [00:47] good night, knome! [00:47] hmm, did i say i'm going? :P [00:47] hehe [00:51] Yep, much better. [00:54] i suppose i'm off to bed now [00:54] so nighty, and have fun you there [00:54] night :) [00:54] Good night. [05:04] Will Xfce 4.10 be in the precise repositories at a later time so we can install them easily if we so choose? Same way users and get Gnome-Shell [05:05] Ooh, test automation. /me drools [05:05] No, but you can add a thirdparty ppa, it just won't be supported. [07:04] oh, checkbox looks interesting [11:22] just started working on a dark style for the logout-dialog: https://plus.google.com/photos/106086509626546157534/albums/5740863326954886321/5740863326268694530 [11:23] Unit193: since you mention blackbird every now and then, i think blackbird will be gtk3 only (when it happens), inner-border highlights can't really be done in a sensible way in gtk2 to allow a really nice dark style (at least not with murrine) [15:58] bluesabre: ping [15:59] hey [15:59] hi sean [15:59] hows it going simon? [15:59] fine fine :) [16:00] one sec, tel [16:04] ok, back [16:04] yeah, i just started fiddling with dark styles again [16:04] since i remembered that the logout-dialog is finally themeable in xfce4.10 [16:04] about the shortcuts-overlay [16:05] i think it might be of value talking to some folks in #xfce-dev [16:05] they might have some pointers for you/us [16:05] thats a good idea [16:06] i think that jeromeg did most of the kb-shortcuts stuff and the notification daemon [16:06] but he's not around much lately [16:06] was a rather quiet day today in that channel :) [16:06] what timezone are you in? [16:06] eastern (US) [16:07] gmt-5 I think [16:07] so it's midnight where you are? [16:07] noon [16:07] oh darn, wrong direction :) [16:07] lol [16:08] yeah, work is slow, so I generally have time for other projects [16:08] well noon is good i guess, that means it's not too late when people get off work here [16:08] most people in #xfce-dev are from europe [16:08] that's nice! [16:08] i also try to make some spare time to work on xubuntu stuff [16:09] do you know any of the xubuntu-folks yet? [16:10] nope [16:10] ok, there's knome, he's currently the project lead [16:10] micahg and mr_pouit do the packaging and most of the technical stuff [16:11] pleia2 (currently at uds) does web/marketing [16:11] those are the ones with official roles in the team [16:11] (well and me, but you know me already) [16:12] cool [16:12] but there are also a few others folks who help with testing etc [16:12] yeah, we're a tiny team :) [16:12] makes it easier to manage though [16:13] I can imagine that would help for collaborating [16:13] luckily most of those guys/girls are on irc, that makes things more direct and quicker [16:14] but it also means we're limited with what we can do [16:15] mostly we can try to distribute, only very seldomly really develop something [16:16] It's a good thing that xfce is so mature then [16:17] yes, it's not moving at the speed of light, but the devs are really keen to keep it stable [16:17] (i mean the development, xfce itself is fast :) ) [16:19] right [16:19] So are the xfce-devs online throughout much of the day? [16:20] yeah, but that also depends on their workdays [16:20] so it differs [16:20] but generally i'd say yes [16:20] cool [16:20] if you have a remote login, that's really practical, because you can ping others and ask questions and they'll answer whenever they're around [16:21] Makes sense. I'll get something like that set up [16:21] bluesabre, hello [16:21] hi knome [16:21] hullo knome :) [16:21] hi ochosi [16:22] knome: any opinion on the dark logout stuff? [16:22] ochosi, shots? [16:22] knome: https://plus.google.com/photos/106086509626546157534/albums/5740863326954886321/5740863326268694530 [16:22] ochosi, generally i think it would add consistency, i think [16:22] knome: wow, you _think_ a lot there ;) [16:22] maybe tune it a bit, but looks okay [16:23] haha, yeah, oops... [16:23] hehe [16:23] just sitting down for a while [16:23] ice hockey soon [16:23] anyhoo, what i originally wanted to do is add some light inner borders to the buttons [16:23] sadly that's impossible with murrine [16:23] mmm, icehockey sounds like fun [16:23] we have 27°C here ;) [16:23] heh [16:24] it's just my country is going to crush mr_pouit's country this time ;) [16:24] these are the kind of buttons i'd love to do: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/097/4/c/eidete__rebound__by_danrabbit-d4v9moe.png [16:24] ooh :) [16:24] yeah, that's not bad [16:24] we'll have to wait for gtk3 for that style though [16:24] yeah [16:24] unless i overlooked an obvious option [16:24] anyway, i'm off [16:24] will be back later in the evening [16:24] ok, hf [16:24] bluesabre, if you're here too later, see you too :) [16:25] hf you too [16:25] thanks [16:25] seeya [16:36] better or worse? http://imagebin.org/211855 [16:39] I think I like it better [16:41] knome: :> [16:41] i'm still tweaking, but i think the buttons are more visible [16:41] thoughts mr_pouit ? [16:43] not sure, I'd say they are slightly less visible now (but I like it better as well :p) [16:45] oh no, i hate it when that happens (uni rebooted the server :( ) [16:45] what did i miss? [16:47] not sure, I'd say they are slightly less visible now (but I like it better as well :p) [16:47] maybe you mised that [16:47] +s [16:47] ok :) [16:47] (time to catch my train, bbl) [16:47] ok, see ya [16:48] I pushed an update to the overlay. For now, there is a new file that does system calls to xfconf-query to eliminate the bs4 dependency [16:49] though, there is probably a better solution still [16:53] right, would be interesting to know what creates more overhead [16:53] (or whether it doesn't matter much) [16:58] since I am using python, there's going to be some overhead no matter what. I might look into putting it together with c/c++ or vala [16:59] but, one step at a time, right? [16:59] sure thing :) [17:00] no hurry, we still have until 12.10 feature-freeze ;) [18:14] finally took on blackbird again. gaze in awe: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05102012-081421pm.php [18:15] What is this theme and where do I get it!? :-D [18:15] hehe [18:16] this is blackbird, the dark variant of greybird that i've been secretly workin on in my cellar ;) [18:16] no seriously, it's _very_ unfinished [18:16] looks really sharp [18:16] ty [18:16] just did the window-borders [18:16] there's still a lot to do [18:17] think it might see the 12.10 release? [18:17] well, i'm keeping fingers crossed [18:17] but it depends [18:17] last cycle a lot of things changed in gtk3 and in unico-engine [18:17] so i had to work on greybird quite a bit [18:17] because that should be flawless, since it's the defaul [18:17] t [18:17] right [18:17] unfortunately i'm quite alone on this [18:18] would be great to have someone else help out with that [18:18] I suck at theming [18:18] well to some extent it's mechanical and to some it's trial and error [18:18] at least as soon as you know where you wanna go [18:21] ochosi: looking awesome :) [18:21] baizon: ty :) [18:22] k i'm off for now, bbl [18:23] seeya [18:29] ochosi: Errr... I was waiting and keeping that in offtopic, except when asked what I used that time. [19:55] New LightDM theme <- are there precise plans? [19:58] Pretzel you mean? (Q) [20:03] here i am [20:03] Dang, he's back. ;) [20:03] ochosi, blackbird looks good. i'd probably rethink the window button contrast though [20:04] ochosi, that complete-white could work as pressed-state though [20:04] blackbird ? [20:04] Shimmer theme. [20:04] referring to http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05102012-081421pm.php [20:05] ochosi, i think black-and-white theme would be awesome. i mean, cut the colors on the theme to minimum, at most use some really light blue hues or so [20:06] i like white text on black theme with a blue color or something [20:07] This may only be for the weirdos and freaks (...me?) [20:07] let's see what ochosi comes up with (and what i can convince him to come up with) [20:07] especcially for toolbars/panels [20:07] Unit193, i wouldn't say so, but as long as dark themes have so many problems, they will most probably not be widely used [20:24] /wi/win 2 [20:24] herp [20:26] derp [21:03] ahoi everyone [21:03] i'll be around in a few mins [21:03] hey hey ochosi :) [21:03] :) [21:04] i think i'm slowly but surely figuring out how to make decent dark buttons in gtk2 [21:04] hehe [21:04] Unit193: no worries, i'm reviving blackbird on my own terms (because i _want_ to and because i'm slowly starting to have a vision of what it could look like) [21:04] bbiab [21:05] np: a-ha / Take On Me [21:05] ;) [21:07] I can pull from git and "test" if I know what I'm looking for. [21:08] Unit193, iirc, ochosi said there's something else to test with 4.8 too :) [21:22] Hmmm, must hvae forgotten. :/ [21:23] Unit193, could've been on #shimmer too [21:23] * Unit193 isn't there, so wouldn't be a forgotten thing. [21:24] yeah [21:24] i'm guessing that's most probably what it was [21:24] some testing for greybird [22:11] brainstormed, compiz expo and scale plugin ... in xfce/xubuntu without compiz itself [22:25] i'm back, later than anticipated [22:25] heh :) [22:25] knome: yes, my most recent greybird-commit for the dark logout screen [22:26] but in the meantime i'm rather sure it won't work with 4.8 [22:27] anyhoo, i'm not sure whether i want to tune down the contrasts too much with blackbird [22:27] a smooth darkgrey theme that looks nice at the same time is kinda difficult [22:28] i think i'll try something more contrasty first [22:28] mmh. [22:28] once you get most of the bugs fixed ;) i can try to play with the colors [22:29] well bugs, i'm not even talking about bugs yet [22:29] first i have to fix one widget after the other [22:29] buttons are no.1 for now, they seem hardest and most important to me atm [22:30] and i have to figure out a highlight-color [22:30] i mean the selected_bg_color [22:30] if you have ideas don't hold them back :P [22:30] well bugs/getting everything to work at least somehow and set the basic style [22:31] what if selected was *really dark* ? [22:31] hmm, not 100% sure [22:31] try it [22:31] but the fact that this would mean not having real colours is tempting [22:32] that was my idea ;) [22:38] i'm already starting to feel better about the notebook-style: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-123824am.php [22:39] mmh [22:39] think i'll continue with the window manager for a bit now [22:39] there are still quite a few buttons missing [22:39] and i'm not sure about the highlighted-state [22:47] ok, first stab at active-inactive window-borders: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-124714am.php [22:48] yup [22:49] subtle, but actually easily distinguishable [22:49] at least in rl-testing [22:55] the minimize button looks kinda fat atm [22:55] but maybe that's not even the worst thing [22:59] status quo: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-125942am.php [23:05] or better: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-010452am.php [23:08] what if the inactive window button icons were smaller? possible? [23:10] sure [23:10] but don't forget that you'll still sometimes want to hit them [23:12] even if a window is not in the foreground, i sometimes tend to close or minimize them without wanting to bring them to the front first (because the buttons are too small to really handle them) [23:12] i mean, not smaller smaller, just thinner looking [23:12] hm, well, probably possible, depends on your skillset mostly :) [23:13] you mean, *your* ? [23:13] :) [23:13] atm they're ~2px wide [23:13] could start to look fuzzy at ~1px [23:13] but maybe worth a try [23:13] maybe... maybe not :) [23:13] yup, not sure tbh :) [23:15] i think widget-wise i'll fix next what annoys me the most [23:15] so either the highlight-color, which is rather difficult, or the scrollbars [23:16] mmh [23:33] think the scrollbar-style is also slowly getting somewhere: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-013314am.php [23:34] Yeah, that black thing is nice. [23:47] okie, off for now, night everyone! [23:48] night ochosi