[00:15] <negrito> Is there a way to remove the painel 2 in Xubuntu?
[00:16] <negrito> Oh, found it
[00:49] <no-dev> How do I format a pendrive in Xubuntu? Right clicking there is not the option...
[00:53] <warhell> unetbootin
[00:54] <warhell> http://unetbootin.sourceforge.net/
[00:54] <Unit193> I used gparted, may be overkill but that's the best type of kill, right?
[00:55] <warhell> unetbootin is good for usb thumbdrives tho
[00:55] <warhell> yeah
[00:55] <warhell> gparted be better if ya just want to format it
[01:00] <no-dev> Xubuntu should have the option like Ubuntu, Windows...
[01:01] <no-dev> To format the drive
[01:05] <vfw> bug 950340
[01:06] <vfw> sorry, wrong channel
[01:09] <GridCube> no-dev, install gparted
[01:09] <no-dev> just did
[02:33] <hiawatha> installing xubuntu right now!
[02:34] <hiawatha> Looks like there's nobody home.  Oh well.
[03:00] <Etherael> Will there be any issue upgrading 11.04 ubuntu to 12.04 xubuntu?
[03:02] <Unit193> I'd say so.
[03:05] <Etherael> is it actually possible?
[03:08] <Unit193> You'd have to go to 11.10 first.
[03:09] <Etherael> I hear it could be as simple as apt-get install xubuntu-desktop then just take the upgrades offered in system manager?
[03:10] <Unit193> You should just type  do-release-upgrade   in a terminal.
[03:10] <Etherael> Actually I just recalled the precise reason I didn't go to 11.10
[03:10] <Etherael> it completely breaks compiz, the grid plugin no longer works.
[03:10] <warhell> ?
[03:10] <Etherael> Does anyone have 12.04 and can confirm that's fixed?
[03:11] <warhell> nah just xubuntu
[03:11] <Etherael> compiz is not available in xubuntu?
[03:11] <Etherael> just the wm
[03:12] <warhell> you  can download compiz  and install it
[03:12] <Etherael> yeah that's what I meant
[03:12] <Etherael> post 11.04, the compiz packages in ubuntu core are completely stuffed.
[03:13] <Etherael> not sure on 12.04
[03:13] <Etherael> but definitely 11.10
[03:13] <Etherael> I tried recompiling manually but that's a huge dog's breakfast for compiz and segfaults aplenty was the result.
[03:14] <warhell> i dont know much about compiz
[03:20] <DjNeoX> Hi!
[03:36] <AyaneForever> Has anyone ever used lightdm to lock the screen? I've done a some research already to use it instead of xscreensaver but I haven't found much luck. I don't really want to have a screensaver, I just want the display to power off and it be locked afterwards, preferably with lightdm since xscreensaver is really ugly. I know it's not as secure as xscreensaver if i were to do this but still I would prefer lightdm. Any thoughts? Than
[03:36] <AyaneForever> ks :)
[12:44] <cythes> Does anyone else have dvd issues in xubuntu?
[12:45] <cythes> Also brb in a few, need to reboot
[12:49] <cythes> back
[13:18] <cousteau> hmm, it looks like someone kicked his ethernet cable...
[15:19] <daniel2> hi anyone around
[15:20] <daniel2> anyone around
[15:20] <Pici> Do you have a question?
[15:20] <daniel2> yeah
[15:22] <daniel2> i'm downloading xubuntu 12.04 lts and would like to use it on an old pc as a media server! do you have any idea what i can install? i don't need to stream internet through it! but i do want it to stream music films to my ubuntu machine and at some point other machines i connect to it!
[15:24] <magnus> I take it your want it to be a dlna server?
[15:24] <daniel2> yeah although i don't know what dlna is! lol
[15:25] <magnus> its just a standard, which is getting used quite a bit. Allows other devices in the house to connect to it
[15:25] <magnus> ie ps3 etc to connect to it
[15:25] <magnus> I use a WD Mybook, but you could do the same on Linux
[15:25] <daniel2> i just want to store all my music on it and then access it to watch films and listen to music through my ubuntu pc!
[15:26] <magnus> streaming though yea
[15:27] <daniel2> yeah stream it to my other ubuntu machine to watch on there
[15:27] <magnus> I guess you still could do a dlna server, and setup serviio
[15:27] <magnus> you could use a dlna player to connect to it
[15:27] <daniel2> i'll be using eth0 to connect both computers
[15:27] <magnus> I guess others may come up with other solutions, but that one would be setting it up for the future, esp if you purchase new media centres for the televisions in your house.
[15:28] <magnus> as they'll be able to use it too
[15:28] <daniel2> i'll google serviio
[15:28] <magnus> daniel2: whatever network medium you use, does not matter
[15:28] <magnus> best of luck ;)
[15:28] <daniel2> i have read about xbmc
[15:29] <daniel2> but i don't need to stream from the internet
[15:29] <daniel2> thanks for the pointers
[15:30] <craigbass1976> daniel2, http://www.doopensource.com/applications/stream-audio-with-ubuntu/  That's a walkthrough I wrote recently.  I'm finding that Android is retarded about m3u files though.  I can listen fine on other computers and an iPad.
[15:32] <daniel2> ah thanks craigbass1976
[15:32] <craigbass1976> daniel2, I also had an easier time with alsa faders and what not with a regular computer (the headless one that's going to do the full time streaming at church) than with the laptop.
[15:33] <craigbass1976> Now I'm trying to get icecast and darkice firing up from the get go; I think the network is starting afterward, and that's why it won't start at boot.
[15:34] <craigbass1976> Anyone else...  Is there a way to make the BOTTOM corners of a window easier to grab and resize with?
[15:51] <oCean> craigbass1976: alt+rightclick and drag to resize
[15:53] <aquix> craigbass1976  I was searching for that. Do you know a good guide to stream with icecast using mixxx?
[15:57] <craigbass1976> aquix, no idea.
[15:58] <aquix> ok, no worries.
[15:58] <craigbass1976> oCean, alt_right click isn't doing anything
[15:58] <craigbass1976> aquix, what are the advantages of mixx?
[15:58] <oCean> craigbass1976: alt+right_click
[15:59] <aquix> it's like virtual dj.   you should install it and check it out. It's become an awesome program
[15:59] <craigbass1976> oCean, what's supposed to happen?
[15:59] <oCean> craigbass1976: alt+press_mouse_button makes it possible (in XFCE) to resize the selected window
[15:59] <craigbass1976> oCean, Ahhh, I get it.
[15:59] <oCean> :)
[16:00] <craigbass1976> Can't be maximized first.  How do I get vertical resizing?
[16:00] <craigbass1976> forget it.  DOH!
[16:00] <aquix> craigbass1976 hold the ALT key + middle mouse button -> then drag the window edge with your mouse
[16:00] <aquix> ah, to late :)
[16:00] <oCean> hehe
[16:00] <xubuntu914> hello. I seem to have vanished the "envelope icon" on Xubuntu 12.04. notification-applet is running on the panel though
[16:01] <craigbass1976> alt and middle mouse (pressing scroll wheel) tabs between windows for me
[16:02] <craigbass1976> xubuntu914,  is it the indicator plugin you're looking for?
[16:02] <aquix> it doesn't work if the window is maximized
[16:03] <aquix> when pressing the scrollwheel + alt       do you see an arrow?
[16:03] <xubuntu914> craigbass: probably, how do I start it again?
[16:07] <dysoco> Anyone knows how to update to 4.109 ? I added "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mrpouit/ppa/ubuntu precise main" to my /etc/apt/sources.list but I can't use that Repo because of the GPG keys... any ideas ?
[16:08] <baizon> dysoco: open termial... then sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mrpouit/ppa
[16:09] <baizon> then it will work
[16:09] <dysoco> oh OK, the URL formatting was the problem :P
[16:09] <dysoco> thanks
[16:09] <baizon> np
[16:12] <craigbass1976> xubuntu914, I think you right click on an empty spot on the panel (the pane runs the whole width of the screen) do Panel --> Preferences, then go to the items tab,  click the green plus button, and add the indicator icon
[16:13] <craigbass1976> You have to shuffle it around after with the up and down arrow buttons to get it where you want it.
[16:39] <xubuntu914> craigbass1976, thank you very much
[16:40] <xubuntu914> and congrats to all for a very fine distro... I had checked it in an earlier version and the improvement is colossal
[19:00] <pimperle> after the upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04, X segfaults. I have a black screen but I can log into the device via ssh. What should i check first?
[19:01] <pimperle> (On a sidenote I wonder why every ubuntu release upgrade breaks at least one thing for me) :(
[19:01] <pimperle> it might be the fglrx driver i use
[19:01] <pimperle> i'll try without it
[19:10] <pimperle> why would it have 900+ upgradeable packages *after* the upgrade. I feel old. :(
[19:14] <pimperle> and it wants to uninstall 209 packages. Is there some "Debugging dpkg/apt problems" guide/howto available online?
[19:16] <baizon> pimperle: check the packages manually
[19:16] <baizon> the boot problem comes from the graphics driver
[19:16] <baizon> it was in my case
[19:16] <pimperle> yes, i removed fglrx and will try to reenable it once the package problem is resolved
[19:17] <pimperle> what do i have to check with the packages?
[19:17] <baizon> in my case the upgrade from 11.10 to 12.04 took 1200 packages
[19:17] <baizon> if you need them
[19:17] <baizon> but in the most case there arent needed anymore
[19:17] <pimperle> most of it is libs
[19:17] <baizon> but check if there are programms that you need
[19:17] <pimperle> but also virtualbox
[19:17] <baizon> pimperle: so its not a problem
[19:17] <pimperle> and I am afraid that 209 libraries missing will cause the system to fail
[19:18] <baizon> alsmost all of them are dependencies from other packages
[19:18] <baizon> pimperle: no they wont, dont worry ;)
[19:18] <pimperle> some years ago aptitude removed a bunch of packages during update and left me with a mostly unusable problem
[19:18] <baizon> aptitude != apt-get
[19:18] <baizon> and ubuntu dropd aptitude cause its for debian :)
[19:18] <baizon> ubuntu is using apt-get
[19:18] <baizon> apt
[19:19] <aquix> aptitude have it's uses, but yeah, use apt-get
[19:20] <pimperle> oh, its dropped?
[19:20] <aquix> yeah, you have to install it
[19:20] <pimperle> apt-get upgrade will update 969 packages but leave the 209 untouched and not upgraded
[19:21] <aquix> upgrading?
[19:21] <baizon> pimperle: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/06/aptitude-removed-from-ubuntu-1010.html
[19:21] <pimperle> oh, I've used it ever since and only considered apt-get when I didn't want aptitude to think for me
[19:21] <pimperle> aquix: yes, it looks as those are the packages aptitude wanted to remove
[19:21] <aquix> aptitude is good for search version and show
[19:21] <baizon> i dont trust aptitude since it broke my system once
[19:22] <aquix> well, never upgrade again. waste of time :)
[19:22] <baizon> aquix: there is a apt-show-version ;)
[19:22] <baizon> and the best way to upgrade is using update-manager
[19:23] <astraljava> pimperle: Quite possibly the rest of the packages require dist-upgrade.
[19:23] <aquix> update manager is just a gui frontend
[19:23] <baizon> aquix: yes, but it never broke my system :)
[19:24] <pimperle> I did do-release-upgrade which reported that an error had occured but wouldn't let me scroll up to see it
[19:24] <aquix> fair enough :)
[19:24] <baizon> for servers i use do-release-upgrade :)
[19:24] <pimperle> then i rebooted, uninstalled fglrx and now do-release-upgrade says theres nothing new, though aptitude reports 1200+ outdated packages
[19:24] <pimperle> so it looks like do-release-upgrade actually failed a lot
[19:25] <baizon> pimperle: apt-get upgrade?
[19:25] <astraljava> pimperle: What does `lsb_release -a` tell you?
[19:25] <pimperle> upgrade-manager fails with aptsources.distro.NoDistroTemplateException: Error: could not find a distribution template
[19:25] <pimperle> :)
[19:25] <pimperle> astraljava: precise
[19:25] <aquix> have you done clean, autoremove and autoclean yet?
[19:26] <astraljava> pimperle: Okay, and if you do `sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`?
[19:26] <pimperle> clean i did, the rest not yet
[19:26] <pimperle> well, currently the flatmate wants to play online so i'll first have to figure how to limit apt-get's bandwidth usage. phew. but i'll find a way.
[19:27] <pimperle> now dist-upgrade runs
[19:28] <pimperle> and it doesn't seem to want to uninstall the packages aptitude did
[19:28] <pimperle> which one should i trust?
[19:28] <pimperle> i'll wait for dist-upgrade to finish though. Thanks for the help so far
[19:28] <astraljava> apt-get
[19:28] <aquix> trust apt-get
[20:32] <polskasp> hi there is a software similar to cheese but for xubuntu xfce  and without use gnome?
[20:38] <polskasp> lubuntu had a software similar to cheese and without use gnome libs   but for xubuntu i dont know it
[20:40] <baizon> polskasp: software center? :)
[20:40] <baizon> search there
[20:41] <knome> there is no "xfce webcam software" if that is what you are after
[20:41] <polskasp> and i dont know which used lubuntu, ¿which is  the name of software for lubuntu?
[20:41] <baizon> polskasp: http://wxcam.sourceforge.net/
[20:42] <polskasp> wxcam use software xfce ?
[20:43] <baizon> polskasp: it doesnt have "gnome libs"
[20:43] <baizon> its just written in c
[20:44] <baizon> but doesnt have x64
[20:44] <baizon> only x86
[20:45] <baizon> ok im gone
[20:45] <baizon> see you
[21:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> Hello everyone. SInce pulseaudio is very buggy and crashes a lot, and also crashes the volumecontrol, is there a way to move to ALSA alone?
[21:39] <Mike-Linux-NL> hotkeys are crashing to change the volume. the on screen animation works, yet the underlying volume change crashes
[21:40] <Mike-Linux-NL> sometimes, sound crashes completely.
[22:03] <acatiera> ey
[22:06] <acatiera> so.. i got a problem.. im trying to instal xubuntu on a clean computer, and at the end of installation, it told me that it falied to install gnome, and asked for a different partition, wich i chose. when i started up again, the screen just went black with a single white space blinking for a long time... any idea whats wrong or how to fix it?
[22:06] <nicklas_> hello, using sabayon and gentoo, but tired of all the work in those dists, so thinking of going back to easy to use dists, and ubuntu land is the choice for me
[22:07] <nicklas_> but, dont know how much you can change looks/panels in unity, and tired of kde. so thinking of xubuntu. but, does xubuntu come with same support for everything as ubuntu, just different apps and such. or are there less barebone packages in xubuntu than ubuntu?
[22:08] <Unit193> You can install what you want.  If you like LibreOffice better, you can just replace what's currently installed with it.
[22:08] <nicklas_> acatiera: you are trying to install xubuntu? then why does it say that it fails installing gnome? xubuntu uses xfce
[22:08] <acatiera> i dont know, and yes, im trying to install xubuntu.
[22:10] <nicklas_> Unit193: that i understand, but like, ubuntu has open source ati and nvidia drivers with mesa and 3d support right? does xubuntu have that? and does xubuntu come with the packages to run native games like quake 4, doom 3 and etqw, like ubuntu does?
[22:11] <nicklas_> Unit193: do you know how much you can change looks in unity? get no answer in #ubuntu . too flooded in there
[22:11] <Unit193> They use the exact same repo, and basically the only difference is using Xfce rather than Unity, and a couple of the default programs.  And no, have no idea what you can and cannot change in Unity.
[22:12] <nicklas_> hm ok, tahnks
[22:16] <nicklas_> compiz and emerald still in repos? do they work with xubuntu?
[22:18] <Unit193> Not sure about emerald, but compiz is.  I *think* it works, but I haven't ever used it myself.
[22:19] <_jay> hey all, on a fresh boot I get this when trying to open a folder or cd on the desktop- it takes a bit to open, but once one does there are no problems for the rest of the session. http://imagebin.org/211888  xubuntu 12.04 64 bit
[22:20] <nicklas_> ok ty
[22:20] <aquix> ld you have to compile
[22:20] <aquix> emerald
[22:20] <aquix> compiz is in the repos
[22:21] <aquix> I see there is a new thing called     zukitwo-emerald-decorators     but I'm not sure what it is. Just saw it right now
[22:23] <Unit193> nicklas_: http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1110-oneiric/ that has how to use compiz, shouldn't have changed much from Oneiric.
[22:31] <nicklas_> does xubuntu like kubuntu have extra reposes for kde and kde apps updates?
[22:31] <knome> you can use the kubuntu repositories in xubuntu too.
[22:32] <Unit193> Only Xfce 4.10, but that's not supported.
[22:32] <knome> xfce != kde ;)
[22:32] <nicklas_> lol, i know that, but i meant if xubuntu has reposes for new versions of xfce and such
[22:32] <knome> in that case, Unit193's answer
[22:32] <nicklas_> Unit193: where do you find the xubuntu reposes then?
[22:32] <nicklas_> launchpad?
[22:33] <knome> nicklas_, https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[22:33] <Unit193> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.10
[22:33] <knome> Unit193, gotcha!
[22:33] <Unit193> Jink, knome ?
[22:33] <knome> jink??
[22:33] <Unit193> Jinx?
[22:34] <knome> ermm
[22:34] <knome> :D
[22:34] <nicklas_> is it stable? anyone using it?
[22:34] <ochosi> you mean xfce4-10?
[22:35] <nicklas_> yeah
[22:35] <pimperle> the control key (left) stopped working in keyboard shortcuts until I reassign them, which makes the key log as <Primary>. Is this a new, permanent behaviour and I have to change all keyboard mappings?
[22:35] <ochosi> i'm using it and haven't encountered real problems so far
[22:35] <ochosi> pimperle: yes, it's known, and not a bug
[22:35] <Unit193> pimperle: In the release notes.
[22:35] <pimperle> thx
[22:35] <nicklas_> but why didnt 12.04 ship with xfce 10? it has been out for quite a while now
[22:36] <pimperle> but there is no conversion tool?
[22:36] <knome> pimperle, no.
[22:36] <knome> nicklas_, xubuntu 12.04 was released before xfce 4.10.
[22:36] <nicklas_> oh
[22:36] <nicklas_> too bad
[22:36] <knome> nicklas_, also, to include a new xfce release in a xubuntu version, it needs to be ready quite a bit before the xubuntu release
[22:37] <nicklas_> ok
[23:07] <pimperle> what is the difference between fglrx with and without post-release updates?
[23:10] <ochosi> pimperle: well obviously one of the two gets further updates after the release
[23:11] <ochosi> pimperle: this can be good or bad, depending on your current situation
[23:13] <pimperle> ok, i'll try that one
[23:51] <uglyoldbob> im trying to install xubuntu on an epia 5000 with 256 mb ram. the live cd is slower than molasses in january. (the screen has not updated in the last 10 minutes) is this expected?
[23:54] <Unit193> 500MHz and 245M ram? I'd think it'd move before 10 minutes, but that's awefully low spec for Xubuntu.
[23:56] <uglyoldbob> i had to even wait to move the mouse (until the display quit updating)