[00:08] <d_ed> project-neon shouldn't be installing libraries into /usr/lib should it?
[00:09]  * d_ed pauses for the inevitable "no of course not"
[00:09] <d_ed> all -dbg libraries do
[00:19] <Riddell> hi koolhead17 
[00:19] <Riddell> d_ed: nudge yofel_ about that I think
[00:20] <d_ed> yofel_: consider yourself nudged.
[00:21]  * d_ed nudges shadeslayer too for the sake of it.
[00:23] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you look at message indicator for kde-telepathy?
[00:23] <Riddell> or do you hope to?
[00:29] <Riddell> ping rbelem_ 
[00:48] <Riddell> afiestas_: kde dinner tonight?
[00:48] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: ?
[00:48] <afiestas_> Riddell: yes !
[00:51] <afiestas_> rbelem_: ?
[00:51] <rbelem_> afiestas_, heya
[00:52] <rbelem_> afiestas_, you have to use your quassel-core
[00:52] <afiestas_> rbelem_: you have to show me how 
[00:52] <afiestas> afiestas_: hello ;-)
[00:52] <Riddell> rbelem_: dinner tonight?
[00:52] <afiestas_> rbelem_: that's scary xD
[00:52] <rbelem_> Riddell, sure :-)
[00:52] <rbelem_> hahaha!
[00:53] <afiestas> afiestas_: i love you dude
[00:53] <afiestas> afiestas_: you love me?
[00:53] <afiestas_> afiestas: ya dude! 
[00:54] <afiestas> afiestas_: that's because you are me
[00:54] <afiestas_> afiestas: you are me
[00:54] <afiestas> :-D
[00:55] <rbelem_> afiestas_, i'm closer to granball rooms
[00:55] <rbelem_> afiestas_, come here
[00:55] <rbelem_> :-)
[00:56] <rbelem_> afiestas_, where r u?
[00:56] <afiestas_> rbelem_: let's do it after dinner
[00:56] <rbelem_> afiestas_, oki
[00:59] <claydoh> I miss you folks, hope you are all having a great uds!
[01:00] <Riddell> claydoh: still time to cycle over here
[01:00] <claydoh> Riddell: gotta work in about 6 bhours, I think I have time :D
[01:07] <Riddell> afiestas_, DarkwingUDS, rbelem_: 18:30ish at the bottom of the escalators
[01:10] <afiestas_> Riddell: roger
[01:12] <Riddell> ooh there's internet by the swimming pool
[01:13] <rbelem_> Riddell, hotel internet?
[01:14] <rbelem_> afiestas_, who is roger?
[01:14] <afiestas_> rbelem_: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=roger%20that
[01:16] <rbelem_> afiestas_, :-D
[04:14] <Riddell> afiestas_: beer?
[04:14] <afiestas_> Riddell: yep, we got a couple of bottles
[04:14] <Riddell> where are you
[04:15] <afiestas_> room right now doing some hacking (about to xD)
[04:15] <Riddell> Whee
[04:15] <Riddell> whAt  room
[04:15] <maco> now dont you drink too much
[04:16] <Riddell> its my lasr day with canonical
[04:16] <Riddell> wd
[04:17] <maco> yes, but i remember last uds
[04:17] <Riddell> hmm good ponti
[04:18] <afiestas_> Riddell: 1011 !
[04:18] <Riddell> wouldnt want to put off all the ladies im sharingq with
[05:06] <rbelem_> DarkwingUDS, ping
[05:42] <eagles0513875_> hey guys i found a serious bug in the kubuntu-plasma netbook shell. I have a back trace here http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk. i asked in kde and they said it was kubuntu specific. Can anyone help me fix this issue. this issue has been occuring since RC of 12.04 with kde  4.8.2 as well as 4.8.3
[05:50] <eagles0513875_> morning micahg 
[05:51] <micahg> hi eagles0513875_
[05:52] <eagles0513875_> micahg: i need some help resolving an issue with kde plasma netbook shell. this crash occurs both on 12.04 and 12.10 and affects kde 4.8.2 and 4.8.3 back trace here http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk 
[05:52] <eagles0513875_> i had asked in the kde channel thinking it was an upstream kde but but was redirected back to the downstream channels
[05:53] <micahg> eagles0513875_: sorry, don't know much about Qt
[05:53] <eagles0513875_> micahg: who would you recommend i talk to cuz this is a very serious issue especially if i am seeing this in both 12.10 and 12.04 :( 
[05:54] <micahg> eagles0513875_: Riddell, agateau, or debfx
[05:54] <eagles0513875_> micahg: im guessing they are all at UDS?
[05:54] <micahg> idk
[06:05] <eagles0513875_> hey Riddell  agateau  and debfx i am getting a plasma netbook shell crash backtrace is here http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk this occures in 12.04 and 12.10 with kde 4.8.2 and 4.8.3 would be greatly appreciated if you could help me possibly fix this issue and push it as a pack port to 12.04
[11:27] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:38] <koolhead17> hi
[11:41] <BluesKaj> hi koolhead17
[12:28] <apachelogger> there we are
[12:28] <apachelogger> I have returned.
[12:28] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:28] <yofel_> d_ed: the debugging symbols are installed in /usr/lib/debug/<root_fs_layout> by convention. so you get /usr/lib/debug/opt/project-neon/* paths for neon debug symbols
[12:29] <yofel_> we would need to redirect GDB search paths if we change that, and currently there are no conflicts so I don't see the point
[12:29] <d_ed> oh, ok then.
[12:29] <d_ed> yofel_: I was just on a grep for something, and then it stood out as looking like someone had missed a leading '/' or something.
[12:30] <d_ed> yofel_: good to know it's all fine 
[12:30] <apachelogger> where is kubotu Oo
[12:30] <yofel_> apachelogger: that's what we were wondering a few weeks ago
[12:31] <apachelogger> magic
[12:31] <apachelogger> ...
[12:31] <yofel> went missing about a week before release I think
[12:31] <apachelogger> .......
[12:31] <apachelogger> .............
[12:31] <apachelogger> voila
[12:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
[12:31] <yofel> \o/
[12:31]  * yofel gives kubotu a hug
[12:31]  * apachelogger fails to use byobu key bindings and kills ssh
[12:32] <kubotu> sup, apachelogger
[12:32] <apachelogger> should have started screen ... brrrr
[12:32] <apachelogger> yofel: thanks for integrating the splash crap
[12:32] <apachelogger> yofel: any issues with that?
[12:33] <apachelogger> oh
[12:33] <yofel> not really, someone complained about the gear being not perfectly round though - and nobody of us has the picture sources
[12:33] <apachelogger> amarok crash in pgst
[12:33] <apachelogger> how rude
[12:33] <apachelogger> yofel: the svgz is in the same dir :P
[12:33]  * yofel fires up kmail and makes coffee while it starts
[12:33] <apachelogger> and yes the gear is not round
[12:33] <apachelogger> the right bottom part is somewhat closer to the center
[12:38] <apachelogger> crash in plasma
[12:38] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:38] <apachelogger> I should stop using this system
[12:41] <apachelogger> any sensible reviews on precise yet?
[12:43] <yofel> Ezim posted one 1-2 days ago here, neither good nor bad
[12:44] <apachelogger> http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2012/05/13-surprises-from-kubuntu-1204.html that one?
[12:44] <apachelogger> cuz that is not a sensible review, he never managed to make a sensible review
[12:45] <apachelogger> starts with him testing things from the live envrionment ;)
[12:45] <apachelogger> which leads to utterly meaningless things like
[12:45] <apachelogger> " I would say that it was 80-20 proportion. Kubuntu's proportions are 60-40, so total waiting time for Kubuntu Live boot is more than for Ubuntu. I can say this is surprise #2. "
[12:46] <apachelogger> there is many a great ways to make that faster
[12:46] <apachelogger> more importantly so for first login after install
[12:47] <apachelogger> (e.g. global ksycoca created by ubuiquity as part of the post install process)
[12:47] <apachelogger> actually that is a main blocker there
[12:47] <yofel> yeah, the icon cache generation takes ages IIRC
[12:47] <apachelogger> IIRC building the initial sycoca is 100% blocking to all the login
[12:48] <apachelogger> icon cache is created on teh fly I think
[12:48] <apachelogger> however the lack of a cache would make icon loading slow
[12:48] <apachelogger> what I never got is why those things are not cascaded
[12:49] <apachelogger> I mean... gtk has a global icon cache
[12:49] <apachelogger> then you just add a local (user) icon cache that contains icons found in $home
[13:14] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: ping
[13:14] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[13:14] <apachelogger> yofel: ping
[13:14] <yofel> hm?
[13:15] <apachelogger> yofel: do you have a bug for the splash issue?
[13:17] <yofel> apachelogger: bug 981898
[13:17] <apachelogger> cheers
[13:17] <apachelogger> "recreated"
[13:17] <apachelogger> zomg
[13:19]  * yofel gone for a while
[13:20] <apachelogger> that attached tar seems fine-ish
[13:20] <apachelogger> somehow the borders look stronger
[13:20] <apachelogger> hmmm
[13:20]  * apachelogger puts on todo
[13:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: FWIW the blueprint links are pointing to notes.kde rather than whatever the ubuntu thing is
[13:22] <apachelogger> sven423: did you solve the layout issue yet?
[13:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: order coffee
[13:22]  * kubotu slides coffee with milk down the bar to apachelogger.
[13:22] <sven423> apachelogger: "maybe"
[13:22] <apachelogger> sven423: lol? ^^
[13:23] <sven423> apachelogger: well, I cannot directly reproduce your problem, but I think I improved the situtation. already checked into git
[13:24] <apachelogger> sven423: you just need to resize the window
[13:24] <apachelogger> the problem of it being by default smaller than what it should be is just a funny coincident
[13:24] <apachelogger> (supposedly because of my font actually)
[13:25] <sven423> apachelogger: the patch contains something like that
[13:25] <sven423> jsut try it ;)
[13:26] <apachelogger> hm
[13:26] <apachelogger> no
[13:26] <apachelogger> buildin amarok takes too long :P
[13:26] <sven423> :P
[13:26] <apachelogger> when you fix build times I'll test it :P
[13:26] <apachelogger> projects.kde looks... different
[13:26]  * sven423 is about to add more unit tests to increase build time ;)
[13:27] <apachelogger> hm
[13:27] <apachelogger> sven423: diffy looks fine actually
[13:28] <apachelogger> good thing you use designer ^^
[13:28]  * ScottK looks up and sees apachelogger.  
[13:28] <ScottK> How about that.
[13:28] <apachelogger> sven423: yah, it's fixed
[13:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: \o/
[13:29] <sven423> ^^
[13:29] <apachelogger> sven423: now you just need to make it not pop up on first start ;)
[13:30] <apachelogger> Stabilizing KMix for asynchronous backends (Pulseaudio, MPRIS2), by using shared pointer constructs, Part 1 (MixDevice class).
[13:30] <apachelogger> oh gawd
[13:39] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/dxlmX.png looks terrible
[13:49] <agateau> apachelogger: indeed, stretching the light blue background to fill the whole header would be much nicer
[13:50] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: who made that artwork?
[14:34] <apachelogger> oh
[14:34] <apachelogger> ubuntu wants to make the initramfs bigger
[14:34] <apachelogger> Oo
[14:34] <apachelogger> and here I was thinking it was already fat enough
[14:35] <apachelogger> -rw-r--r--  1 root root  20M Apr 25 16:28 initrd.img-3.2.0-23-generic
[14:37] <tsimpson> my 3.0.x ones on oneiric are 19M, which reminds me.. I must clear out old kernels
[14:41] <apachelogger> yeah, the bump mostly comes from the splash background
[14:45] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120511144519-2iqn54gonjbnvrg9 * (4 files in 2 dirs) Make new splash logo artwork form a proper (round) circle (LP: #981898)
[14:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: the artwork came from starbuck or someone he knows, it doesn't fit but then the website is hard to edit and I seem to have agreement to move the website to an outside server so we don't have the hassle of going through canonical is in future
[14:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you see starbuck please ask him for a version with proper dimension
[14:50] <apachelogger> doesn't make much difference whether we overlay half the background or all of it (except from an attractiveness pov :))
[14:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: also moving the website elsewhere seems like a super good idea
[14:51]  * apachelogger moves the kubuntu text splash out of plymouth and into kds
[14:52] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-wallpaper-v1c.jpg
[14:52] <apachelogger> ah
[14:52] <Riddell> but anything bigger is likely to screw up the layout of the page 
[14:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: how so?
[14:53] <Riddell> dunno but that is what has happened before when I tried to put anything bigger than that image size on it
[14:54]  * apachelogger looks
[15:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: where is that image set anyway?
[15:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do you mean?
[15:13] <apachelogger> where would I change the image
[15:13] <Riddell> that one is part of the content of the page which can be edited
[15:13] <Riddell> the background one is part of the content of the template which can not
[15:14] <Riddell> go to admin->something setup to find out the path to the Front Page then go to /node/zzz to be able to edit it
[15:15] <apachelogger> kthx
[15:15] <Riddell> or just give up on it as I have and start on improving the template so if/when we move to a new web server we have something better
[15:16] <apachelogger> hehe
[15:16] <apachelogger> wordpress > drupal anyway :P
[15:17] <Riddell> I tend to go for blogs better in wordpress and static content sites bettern in drupal but that's pretty simplistic I know
[15:17] <koolhead17> no drupal plZz
[15:17] <Riddell> also my personal blog got hacked when I changed it to wordpress so that put me off it
[15:17] <apachelogger> spooky
[15:18] <Riddell> koolhead17: too late we've been using it for years
[15:18] <koolhead17> ooh is it
[15:18]  * koolhead17 is scared of  drupal
[15:19] <Riddell> at cebit the drupal stand was about 10 times larger than the kde stand and the people there was about 10 times better looking
[15:19] <Riddell> so they must be doing something right
[15:20] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:20] <apachelogger> there is a <br> and no indication where it is from
[15:20] <apachelogger> why use br anyway
[15:20]  * apachelogger gets all freaked out from random br :P
[15:20] <Riddell> from the page content no?
[15:20] <apachelogger> nah
[15:21] <apachelogger> might be that the page content is broken and the browser inserts the br to make sense of it ^^
[15:21] <Riddell> browsers can do that?  now that's spooky
[15:22] <apachelogger> they have to or half the intarwebs could not be displayed ^^
[15:23] <apachelogger> apparently a unclearified <center> introduces it
[15:23] <apachelogger> then again I do not exactly know what center is meant to do ^^
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/
 was dropped in HTML 4... it's really really old
[15:24] <d_ed> it makes things centre aligned :)
[15:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: !
[15:24] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:24] <Blizzzek> apachelogger: center is "i have no idea of CSS but still want things to appear in the middle of the page or whereever"
[15:24] <yofel> apachelogger: better
[15:24] <snele> Riddell: that wallpaper rocks! True KDE and Kubuntu colors! Not grey as we have now
[15:24] <apachelogger> but where is that pixel row at the bottom coming from
[15:24] <apachelogger> brrrr
[15:24] <apachelogger> how I hate web markup
[15:25] <apachelogger> oh
[15:25] <apachelogger> why this is sily now
[15:25] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: have you seen jos' latest anti-canonical rant?
[15:26] <apachelogger> the div container is 946x231 the actual image is 944x230 and set to repeat
[15:26] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: weird comment " I did express my wish that more distro's would jump on Apper/PackageKit - of course Kubuntu and Chakra would be first on that list I suppose. Kubuntu works a lot on their Ubuntu-only 'app-store' and I'd much rather see some of that energy go into a cross-distro effort."
[15:28] <apachelogger> someone come up with a anti-crosspkgmgr rant
[15:28] <apachelogger> better yet, someone mock the concept of having different software to do absolutely and entirely the same thing
[15:28] <Riddell> ah apol already on the jos case
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://www.kubuntu.org/ pixel perfect
[15:38] <apachelogger> also I ripped the background out -> faster loading
[15:39] <apachelogger> Mamarok: btw, kde bug 299377 WFM
[15:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: "We decided it's better to have a package manager that's design for our packaging system rather than use one designed for RPM with Debian package support bolted on".
[15:40] <ScottK> How's that?
[15:41] <apachelogger> that calls for a counter argument :)
[15:41] <claydoh> ScottK: perfect
[15:42] <ScottK> design/designed
[15:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: The only possible counter-argument is that the bolting on is good enough and we already tried it and decided it wasn't.
[15:44] <apachelogger> more like "so we need to fix the design, which we cannot do if you don't jump on the bandwaggon"
[15:45] <ScottK> Debian packaging and RPM differ in some fundamental ways.
[15:45] <ScottK> So if you rewrote packagekit to be Debian packaging friendly, you'd have something like what we already have.
[15:47] <ScottK> I think dantti did a great job with kpackagekit/apper of doing the best one could do, but IIRC there was a need to do things like doing simulated installs to find if additional packages needed to be pulled in.
[15:48] <ScottK> For the first time I think we've finally got a GUI package manager in Kubuntu that's in all respects better than what we had in KDE3 days (Adept).
[15:48] <ScottK> Why would be change now?
[15:49] <ScottK> What would be best is if JontheEchidna finished getting Muon into Debian so we could have a common "K" GUI for Debian and derivatives.
[15:51] <apol> Riddell: :)
[15:52] <apol> ScottK, Riddell: well, it depends a lot, if you just want a software center, then it's not so hard to separe from the package management technoclogy
[15:53] <ScottK> Right, but we're talking about the entire GUI package management stack.
[15:53] <apol> in any case, I think this jos post is one of those made from the distance with a pipe and a monocle
[15:54] <apol> ScottK: well I still don't understand why we need a complete gui package management stack :)
[15:54]  * apachelogger expects a software center to be snappy, not take ages because it has to simulate package resolution to find missing deps ;)
[15:55] <ScottK> apol: People that want to install specific packages should have to use command line?
[15:55] <apachelogger> apol: because reviewers don't grasp the difference between a desktop application and a package ^^
[15:55] <apachelogger> e.g. I have seen >3 reviews that complained muon software center cannot find kubuntu-low-fat
[15:57] <yofel> anyone need quantal in a consistent state? Otherwise I'll go and upload 4.8.3
[15:57] <apachelogger> break it
[15:57] <yofel> ack
[15:59] <koolhead17> yofel, hola
[16:00] <yofel> now where's mgraesslin when you need him... or does someone get what's wrong in bug 997625 / kde bug 299685 ?
[16:00] <yofel> hi koolhead17
[16:01] <apachelogger> eh
[16:01] <apachelogger> yofel: user installed gles kwin
[16:02] <apol> apachelogger: would we want kubuntu-low-fat on the software center?
[16:02] <apachelogger> apol: no
[16:02] <apachelogger> or I do not ... hence I did not put a desktop file in it ;)
[16:02] <apol> :P
[16:03] <apol> then i don't understand your point xD
[16:03] <yofel> apachelogger: just *installing* it shouldn't mean it's being used. Or I'm misunderstanding how gles support is implemented in kwin
[16:03] <apachelogger> sec
[16:03] <apol> ScottK: I think that if the user is savvy enough to care about having a specific package, he should be able to use a command line, probably
[16:03] <apol> ScottK: or krunner instead
[16:03] <Riddell> ScottK: better would be "we go with whatever bit of KDE Software gives a best experience, when we last looked it was Muon, ignoring good KDE Software seems contrary to what you want"
[16:04] <Riddell> apol: that's not the case
[16:04] <DarkwingUDS> rbelem_: pong
[16:04] <Riddell> I know plenty people who care about packages but don't use a command line
[16:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Perhaps, but it's better for us in large part because it's designed to support Debian based systems.
[16:04] <apachelogger> yofel: well
[16:04] <apachelogger> yofel: it does for the kcm anyway
[16:04] <apachelogger> and that crash is in the KCM it seems
[16:05] <yofel> hm, ok, might make sense
[16:05]  * yofel looks what he commited to master there
[16:05] <apachelogger> or not
[16:05] <apachelogger> curious
[16:05] <DarkwingUDS> Morning guys
[16:06] <yofel> morning DarkwingUDS
[16:06] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: where you at this morning?
[16:07] <apol> btw. how's UDS coming along?
[16:07] <apol> any interesting news? :P
[16:08] <yofel> *blink*
[16:08] <apachelogger> yofel: do you have the debug version of kcm_kwincompositing.so installed?
[16:08] <yofel> apachelogger: he dropped the whole opengl check from there? https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/104752/diff/#index_header
[16:08] <DarkwingUDS> a bit... Tomorrow I will be putting everything that related to us in review and get it out to the ML and my blog
[16:09] <yofel> apachelogger: I do, but I have no hardware that i could run fglrx on
[16:09] <apachelogger> well
[16:09] <apachelogger> it works here and I am on fglrx...
[16:09] <apachelogger> yofel: run nm on it
[16:09] <apachelogger> and check if it has deleteEGLContext
[16:09] <apachelogger> if not then he is not using our kcm
[16:10] <yofel> good point
[16:10] <apachelogger> or we screwed up and package the gles build version of the dbg symbols ^^
[16:10] <apachelogger> many options here
[16:11] <davmor2> hey guys what tools do you use for automation of tests, is it just testibility or is there something else?
[16:12] <apachelogger> none, what kind of tests?
[16:12] <yofel> apachelogger: well, it doesn't, but deleteEGLContext is protected, not public
[16:13] <apachelogger> yeah bu tit is called by detect :P
[16:14] <yofel> that still shouldn't make it show in nm, no?
[16:14] <apachelogger> ah, it shows up
[16:14] <apachelogger> every symbol shows up in nm
[16:14] <apachelogger> no matter what language constraints it has
[16:14] <apachelogger> so
[16:14] <apachelogger> my immediate guess is that we package the wrong dbg symbols
[16:14] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: pong
[16:15] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: ubiquity qml?
[16:15] <yofel> well, we do weird stuff with kde-workspace
[16:15]  * yofel looks at rules
[16:15] <bulldog98_> hm I don’t have much time this semester (40 ects) and I want to wait for QtQuick 2.0
[16:16] <apachelogger> hm
[16:16] <apachelogger> bulldog98_: why QQ2?
[16:16] <apachelogger> yofel: oho
[16:16] <apachelogger> yofel: seems master martin made it so that one does not need to do two builds
[16:16] <bulldog98_> apachelogger: hm I want to know what nice stuff is in there and if it can help us
[16:16] <apachelogger> I don't see anything gles in the workspace rules
[16:17] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah (which we still do, but for active)
[16:17] <yofel> gles shouldn't break, that's why I'm confused about the bug
[16:17] <apachelogger> well nono
[16:17] <apachelogger> that makes sense
[16:17] <apachelogger> if he made it so that both gl and gles are built at the same time
[16:18] <apachelogger> then of course all necessary functionality would be in the KCM
[16:18] <apachelogger> hence the symbol
[16:18] <yofel> how are you calling nm so that deleteEGLContext() shows up btw.?
[16:18] <apachelogger> BUT
[16:18] <apachelogger> it should not be used
[16:18] <apachelogger> nm foo.so |grep deleteEGL
[16:19] <yofel> ah, I guess strip breaks that
[16:19] <apachelogger> well, yes, that is why I told you to look at the debug so ^^
[16:20] <apachelogger> smart me was thinking of the stripping ;)
[16:20] <yofel> ah well, 3 coffees are obviously not enough yet for me today -.-
[16:21] <apachelogger> that reminds me
[16:21] <apachelogger> HUNGRY
[16:23] <apachelogger> I do not see that function in master
[16:23] <apachelogger> I be blind
[16:24] <apachelogger> yofel: ok
[16:25] <apachelogger> that is a bug on martin's side
[16:25] <apachelogger> #ifdef KWIN_HAVE_OPENGLES
[16:25] <apachelogger> then the code that leads to crash
[16:25] <apachelogger> what distrubes me though is this
[16:25] <apachelogger>     if (!haveContext) {
[16:25] <apachelogger>         deleteEGLContext();
[16:25] <apachelogger>     }
[16:25] <yofel> ^^
[16:25] <apachelogger> now either that function name is crap or that ! doesn't belong there
[16:26] <apachelogger> either way not a packaging issue
[16:29] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: hi
[16:29] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: Good Morning. :)
[16:29] <Riddell> in the foyer but the linux magazine stand
[16:29] <Riddell> by
[16:29] <maco> i have a bug for precise
[16:30] <Riddell> only one?  you're lucky!
[16:30] <maco> no wait i mean oneiric
[16:30] <maco> if you click the gear with the arrow for updates, and the update it wants to do is the move to precise, and you dont want to do that because your version of vmware isnt supported in precise, so you hit "cancel"... the dist upgrade fetcher crashes
[16:31] <apachelogger> what piece of software is that anyway
[16:31] <Riddell> ScottK: "it's designed to support Debian based systems" that's not the answer jos wants
[16:31] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm sure it's not.
[16:32] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: I'll be down there is a bit.
[16:33] <ScottK> Muon is the first GUI pacakge manager I've used on Kubuntu that was not painfully slow.
[16:33] <Riddell> ScottK: a better point to make to him would be "jos: Yast, like many other tools, was meant to be cross-distro" "grumpy reply: it was licenced for many years so explicitly forbid that, don't lie"
[16:33] <Riddell> but that owuld be grumpy :)
[16:33] <DarkwingUDS> Muon is the first GUI package manager that I have ever wanted to use.
[16:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I envision a GTKvQt reply
[16:34] <ScottK> Riddell: There ought to be an accurate, yet non-grumpy way to say that.
[16:34] <apachelogger> the plymouth package is utter rubbish
[16:35] <apachelogger> debian/patches/kubuntu-text.patch
[16:36] <apachelogger> I don't even get why you need a patch with UDD
[16:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think that indicates a problem in UDD rather than in plymouth packaging
[16:37] <apachelogger> Riddell, DarkwingUDS: if you see slangasek plz be telling him that he should drop kubuntu-text from the plymouth branch
[16:37] <apachelogger> I am so not going near that thing
[16:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: won't that stop our text theme?
[16:37] <DarkwingUDS> apachelogger: +1
[16:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: importing it into kds
[16:37] <apachelogger> the text stuff is templated based now, we only need the template
[16:38] <apachelogger> s/templated/config I suppose
[16:41] <CIA-42> [kubuntu-default-settings] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20120511164133-0c2dnclx7wsfjwh8 * (9 files in 3 dirs) * Import plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text from plymouth source package. Since plymouth has no epoch this is a no-brainer. * Change plymouth-theme-kubuntu-text from arch any to all (only contains a config, but no binary data)
[16:56] <Riddell> rbelem_ the centre of attention as always https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tgC-1yQlqLw/T6n-G_4P9rI/AAAAAAAAF1A/yD87E4bUUho/s903/SAM_1605.JPG
[16:59] <Riddell> uh oh, we might have competition! https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-gnome-flavor
[16:59] <apachelogger> lol
[17:00] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/+recipe/oxygen-fonts-daily
[17:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: hmm large exclamation mark on that page
[17:06] <apachelogger> no idea why packagers cant upload to our ppas
[17:06] <apachelogger> manual triggering works ;)
[17:06] <apachelogger> as long as the person has upload rights
[17:06] <apachelogger> anywhos
[17:06] <apachelogger> lunch
[17:13] <Riddell> koolhead17: I have the t-shirt in my bag, ask for it when you see me
[17:14] <koolhead17> Riddell, great. where ru currently?
[17:15] <yofel> huh, hibernate was turned off by default in precise o.O
[17:16] <Riddell> koolhead17: release notes session 201
[17:16] <koolhead17> k
[17:16] <Riddell> yofel: how do you mean?
[17:16] <koolhead17> yofel, whats the work around :P
[17:17] <Riddell> koolhead17: use suspend
[17:17] <koolhead17> umm. k
[17:17] <yofel> bug 989652 / bug 812394
[17:18] <yofel> now if plasma would actually make the options match with what upower reports...
[17:18] <yofel> wouldn't help with policykit though I guess
[17:20] <yofel> I see 3 things we could do:
[17:20] <yofel> 1) patch the hibernate option ot of kickoff (and wherever else)
[17:20] <yofel> 2) ship a policykit file to enable it by default
[17:20] <yofel> 3) leave it not working and close bug as Won't Fix
[17:20] <yofel> *out of
[17:21] <d_ed> Riddell: do you have this image: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu-wallpaper-v1c.jpg in layers (i.e without the logo) ?
[17:21] <maco> ooh i like that wallpaper
[17:22] <d_ed> me too
[17:22] <Riddell> d_ed: not me, ask starbuck 
[17:23] <maco> Riddell: is that nessy or a dragon?
[17:23] <Riddell> yofel: I'd go for 1) since I tend to agree that hibernate has no practical use
[17:24] <Riddell> maco: I think it's a pangolin
[17:25] <maco> very skinny pangolin
[17:25] <maco> im going to go with it being a dragon, because i like dragons
[17:25] <yofel> one more thing I find interesting:
[17:25] <yofel> $ upower --dump
 can-hibernate: no </snip>
[17:25] <yofel> $ qdbus org.kde.Solid.PowerManagement /org/freedesktop/PowerManagement org.freedesktop.PowerManagement.CanHibernate
[17:25] <yofel> true
[17:25] <yofel> something's broken here...
[17:25] <Riddell> yofel: add it on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-q-development
[17:26] <yofel> will do
[17:46] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: about?
[17:47] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: aye, where you at?
[17:48] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: room 201
[17:48] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: but there's internet by the pool!
[17:48] <DarkwingUDS> want to meet there?
[17:49] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: lets
[17:49]  * Riddell goes to the pool
[17:50] <DarkwingUDS> be there in 5 Riddell
[18:10] <rbelem_> DarkwingUDS, /win 43
[18:10] <rbelem_> ops
[18:34] <Peace-> can somebody explain me why  canonical has choosen  ffmpeg by av developer 
[18:37] <apachelogger> pardon?
[18:37] <debfx> Peace-: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2011-May/000891.html
[18:52] <Peace-> wtf
[18:52] <Peace-> i am almost to complete my ffmpegservice menu
[19:10] <eagles0513875_> hey guys can anyone guide me on how to fix this issue and its a rather serious issue as it occurs on 12.04 4.8.2 and 4.8.3 http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk
[19:13] <ScottK> agateau: ^^^ I see plasma-widget menubar in the trace.  Is that from your code?
[19:27] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: have you considered logging a bug rather than just keep repeating over and over to people "please help me fix this" - actually log a bug with all the detail so people can look at it
[19:27] <ikonia> eagles0513875_: you seem to just keep asking people over and over "please fix this, it's important" with every bug rather than documenting it and logging it correctly for people to look at and progress through 
[19:58] <yofel> hm, gcc 4.7 is dropping public symbols from kdelibs o.O?
[20:01] <yofel> buildlog: http://paste.ubuntu.com/982285/ - most changes are optional, but some (like from libkjsapi4 [libkjs.so]) aren't
[20:21] <ScottK> yofel: Talk to Debian KDE people as they are dealing with it too.
[20:32] <yofel> hm, will poke lisandro later, thanks
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> apol: btw, with final exams out of the way I'm *really* going to do the Muon 1.4 alpha release this weekend :P
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I had not seen that, thanks
[21:01] <eagles0513875_> hey guys
[21:02] <eagles0513875_> im having an issue with the netbook shell segfaulting any ideas or pointers on how i can fix it. backtrace is found here http://pastebin.com/G7YN70Yk
[21:02] <eagles0513875_> ikonia: i want to try and fix the bug myself and submit a patch
[21:05] <apol> JontheEchidna: cool
[21:13] <yofel> eagles0513875_: still, file a bug, we don't usually accept bug reports by irc posts
[21:14] <yofel> if you want the potential fix to make it into precise you'll need a bug anyway
[22:04] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: ping?
[22:37] <Riddell> afiestas: could you kidnap this guy?
[22:37] <Riddell> nobody would mind
[22:37] <Riddell> just claim you're an eta terrorist
[22:37] <rbelem_> uaehauh
[22:37] <rbelem_> LOL
[22:40] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: you said he could go ahead
[22:40] <Riddell> I blame this on you!
[22:40] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: Yeah, I know LOL
[22:40]  * rbelem_ kicks DarkwingUDS 
[22:42] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: will your hope to improve the website include a plan to put kubuntu docs online?
[22:42] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: Yes.
[22:43] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: Not only will they be online but, the translations will be online as well.
[22:43] <Riddell> action [david.wonderly] put kubuntu-docs with translations on kubuntu.org ?
[22:43] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: +1
[22:43] <DarkwingUDS> AKA yes
[22:44] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: I've asked this before but is littlegirl going to come back?
[22:44] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: I hope so.
[22:45] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: do you have her e-mail?  I can't find it just now
[22:47] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: I'll find it shortly.
[22:47] <Riddell> DarkwingUDS: got it
[22:47] <DarkwingUDS> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~littlergirl