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| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from Cyb3rw0rM) | 11:06 |
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| Pici | updated !aptitude to mention multiarch issues. | 12:37 |
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| IdleOne | oulu is a familiar nick | 14:51 |
| Myrtti | it's a city in Finland, probably where this person is from | 14:53 |
| Myrtti | judging from IP address | 14:53 |
| IdleOne | yeah, I meant more like the nick brings to mind bad feeling | 14:53 |
| Pici | IdleOne: you don't like Finland? | 14:53 |
| Myrtti | I've not seen it before | 14:53 |
| IdleOne | Pici: I have no dislike for any country. I also would like to visit finland at some point soon | 14:54 |
| Pici | IdleOne: I'm just joking :) | 14:54 |
| bazhang | helsinki is awesome | 14:54 |
| IdleOne | Pici: ino, me too :P | 14:54 |
| IdleOne | I read a friend is going to be moving there soon | 14:55 |
| IdleOne | We has logs for the UDS IRC session yesterday. I would like to see what horrible decisions were taken :) | 14:57 |
| IdleOne | ? | 14:57 |
| oCean | http://ubottu.com/uds-logs | 15:02 |
| tsimpson | also on irclogs.ubuntu.com | 15:02 |
| tsimpson | and audio on audio.ubuntu.com :) | 15:02 |
| IdleOne | it is a little confusing not having the audio and the text in sync | 15:06 |
| tsimpson | IdleOne: well, that very discussion takes place near the end of the session | 15:13 |
| IdleOne | tsimpson: sorry, which discussion? | 15:16 |
| tsimpson | about a better way to have all these things tied together | 15:17 |
| IdleOne | ah. | 15:17 |
| tsimpson | rather than having IRC + audio stream + pad, having it all in one place | 15:17 |
| IdleOne | that would be good. What about for replay after the fact though, would there be a way to listen/view the audio and text in sync? | 15:18 |
| tsimpson | I guess it would be possible, just probably non-trivial to implement | 15:19 |
| tsimpson | but AlanBell is the one to ask about that | 15:19 |
| AlanBell | I am? | 15:20 |
| IdleOne | you are now! | 15:20 |
| tsimpson | what's it called.. ether light? | 15:20 |
| IdleOne | you have been voluntold | 15:20 |
| AlanBell | yay | 15:20 |
| AlanBell | etherpad-lite | 15:20 |
| tsimpson | that one, yeah :) | 15:20 |
| IdleOne | basically we would need a video of the chat and etherpad with the audio track | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | audio and pad playback in sync, interesting idea | 15:21 |
| AlanBell | yeah, could be done | 15:22 |
| IdleOne | get on it! | 15:22 |
| tsimpson | I could see (in vague terms) that it could be possible, with HTML5 + JS one could connect the timing of the audio with timings of chat+edits | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | patches welcome | 15:22 |
| tsimpson | but, I'd not like to be the one to implement it | 15:22 |
| AlanBell | you don't need to connect the timings, just start at the same time and play in real time | 15:22 |
| IdleOne | AlanBell: I think canonical should get on the ball with this :) | 15:22 |
| tsimpson | AlanBell: well, I was also thinking about seeking | 15:23 |
| AlanBell | as long as you don't pause one of them | 15:23 |
| AlanBell | ah, seeking might be a challenge | 15:23 |
| tsimpson | meh, let's just write a flash applet :P | 15:23 |
| AlanBell | \o/ | 15:23 |
| IdleOne | haha | 15:23 |
| Pici | flash :( | 15:23 |
| IdleOne | I'll be back before this banana hits the ground. ZOOOOM ZOOOOM ZOOOOOOOOOM. | 15:24 |
| AlanBell | audio.ubuntu.com is looking good this time | 15:24 |
| IdleOne | irc session is the 17:00 one right? | 15:25 |
| AlanBell | doesn't seem to be | 15:27 |
| AlanBell | http://audio.ubuntu.com/quantal/grand-ballroom-f/2012-05-10/11/grand-ballroom-f_2012-05-10_110001.ogg | 15:30 |
| AlanBell | there is a more detailed "etherpad-lite / OMG they are turning off IRC!!!/o\" session at 17:00 today, which is um, probably 01:00 UTC | 15:34 |
| tsimpson | should be 00:00 UTC | 15:36 |
| tsimpson | DST needs to go away, too much confusion in my head | 15:38 |
| bazhang | troll detected | 15:44 |
| bazhang | "sweetie" | 15:44 |
| Pici | yeah | 15:44 |
| Pici | Glad they're leaving. | 15:44 |
| AlanBell | thanks tsimpson | 15:45 |
| AlanBell | not at 17:00 it is at 16:15 | 16:57 |
| jpds | http://is.gd/z9dg3z | 17:29 |
| jpds | This explains a lot. | 17:29 |
| IdleOne | jpds: WTF!!! | 17:31 |
| jpds | IdleOne: LOL: http://is.gd/ScjvI9 | 17:33 |
| Pici | wow | 17:37 |
| IdleOne | that is not surprising though, many people are not very internet lingo savvy and use lol or wtf wrong | 17:38 |
| IdleOne | especially them old folks, like 40 year olds. that is old right? | 17:38 |
| IdleOne | by the way jpds I had no idea you felt this way. LOL to you too. | 17:39 |
| jpds | IdleOne: That was LOL haha. | 17:42 |
| Flannel | AlanBell: It's not "zomg theyre turning off IRC" it's "Why not integrate with IRC instead of supplanting it--that way people can still choose to use IRC if they desire" | 17:49 |
| Pici | Whats happening? | 17:50 |
| Flannel | Pici: I'm just replying to something from the scrollback | 17:51 |
| AlanBell | Flannel: yes, something like that | 18:57 |
| AlanBell | but we need people to make that happen, nobody has committed to putting in the effort on that task as yet | 18:57 |
| Flannel | AlanBell: of course, but it's a community-wide thing. I'm not sure when the IRC Team became the guardians of UDS infrastructure; if we volunteered for it, I must've been absent that day. | 19:35 |
| IdleOne | agreed. | 19:39 |
| AlanBell | Flannel: well it is more me than the team | 19:40 |
| AlanBell | I presented etherpad 2 years ago at UDS for integration in summit and I wrote the meeting page bit of summit with the embedded pad | 19:41 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, guntbert said: !automate =~ /cloning/clone/ --- the reference should point to the "original" factoid and not to the alias, I think | 19:47 |
| Flannel | AlanBell: Do you think etherpad development would've been better served with a separate meeting then? Instead of trying to squeeze it into an IRC team meeting, give it its own title so interested parties can become involved. As far as I can see, it wasn't even mentioned in the description of the IRC meetings. | 19:48 |
| guntbert | Hi hardworking ops -- I'm still worrying about !clone. As aptitude is reported to not play nice with multiarch systems there seems to be a danger of damaging the "new" system. (but I have no idea at all how to accomplish the same without aptitude...) | 19:51 |
| IdleOne | thought pici added some info | 19:52 |
| IdleOne | !clone | 19:52 |
| ubottu | To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate | 19:52 |
| IdleOne | !cloning | 19:52 |
| guntbert | !-cloning | 19:53 |
| ubottu | cloning is <alias> clone - added by LjL on 2006-11-22 23:45:30 - last edited by LjL on 2008-11-23 17:58:16 | 19:53 |
| Flannel | guntbert: What is a multiarch system? I know what those words mean, but am not familiar with that term | 19:53 |
| IdleOne | !automate | 19:53 |
| ubottu | Ways to automate installation of Ubuntu on multiple machines are described at https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/i386/automatic-install.html - See also !cloning | 19:53 |
| IdleOne | Flannel: install ia32libs to 64 bit so you can install xchat-common:i386 | 19:54 |
| guntbert | Flannel: as far as I understood ubuntu has done away with the 32bit/64bit separation, and therefore many packages are now suitable for both | 19:54 |
| IdleOne | so you can prefer 32bit app if you so chose | 19:54 |
| IdleOne | aiui | 19:55 |
| Flannel | That sounds like a horrible mess! | 19:55 |
| genii-around | Does the old way of dpkg --get-selections > file .. dpkg --set-selections < file and then apt-get -u dselect-upgrade still work? | 19:56 |
| IdleOne | genii-around: should | 19:56 |
| Pici | !aptitude | 19:57 |
| ubottu | aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. You may encounter problems on multiarch installs (11.10 and higher) as aptitude cannot currently handle the same package with different architectures being installed at the same time. See http://pad.lv/831768 for more information. | 19:57 |
| Flannel | IdleOne: will that have the same 32/64 problem? | 19:57 |
| IdleOne | Flannel: really don't know | 19:57 |
| Flannel | I'd rather stick with something with known problems instead of going to something with unknown problems :) | 19:58 |
| Flannel | since, as far as I know, the dpkg thing will still have the original issue of "now it thinks I explicitly want ALL these packages" instead of knowing what it brought in as a dependency, etc. | 19:58 |
| IdleOne | the devil you know... | 19:58 |
| jussi | doesnt the SW center now have some method of doing it? | 19:59 |
| IdleOne | it does | 19:59 |
| IdleOne | so did synaptic | 19:59 |
| jussi | so why dont we just describe that? | 19:59 |
| jussi | (for the clone factoid) | 19:59 |
| IdleOne | well, we should. cli purist will complain about the lack of cli command in the factoid | 20:00 |
| Flannel | Is that going to have the same multiarch problem? | 20:00 |
| IdleOne | that might be a good thing though if it is causing problems | 20:00 |
| Flannel | (also, it sounds like this needs to become a factoid pointing to a wiki page) | 20:00 |
| IdleOne | guntbert: you want to get on figuring the best way of doing this and editing the factoid? | 20:01 |
| Flannel | since it looks like we're going to wind up with multiple solutions, each of them imperfect in their own special way | 20:01 |
| IdleOne | or the best ways (plural) | 20:01 |
| guntbert | IdleOne: not really to be honest, my ability with apt & co is still, well very low | 20:02 |
| IdleOne | guntbert: can you provide the GUI way in Unity, or make a wiki page with screenshots? | 20:02 |
| * IdleOne is not running Unity | 20:03 | |
| IdleOne | how hard is it to remember what apps you installed! | 20:04 |
| Tm_T | our guides should not use aptitude, but apt-get | 20:04 |
| guntbert | IdleOne: until now I didn't even know that there is a GUI way... -ah unity - I have it used just for a week after 11.10 | 20:04 |
| Flannel | For the time being, lets add a warning to the factoid. That way there's some sort of information about the potential for problems. | 20:04 |
| Tm_T | (if commandline tool is needed, that is) | 20:04 |
| IdleOne | Flannel: agreed. | 20:04 |
| Tm_T | Flannel: I would rather have it containing apt-get instead of aptitude | 20:04 |
| IdleOne | who has apt-fu to translate the aptitude command? | 20:05 |
| Flannel | Tm_T: well, dpkg had the "removes information" problem, so aptitude became the preferred method for this, because it worked. | 20:05 |
| Flannel | there is no apt-get command, it's dpkg. | 20:05 |
| Tm_T | dpkg --get-selections > file .. dpkg --set-selections < file and then apt-get -u dselect-upgrade | 20:05 |
| guntbert | IdleOne: apt-get has no "search" command | 20:05 |
| Tm_T | ah, yes | 20:05 |
| IdleOne | hmm | 20:05 |
| Tm_T | but anyway | 20:05 |
| IdleOne | back to providing a warning I guess | 20:06 |
| * Tm_T doesn't like unsupported package management tools | 20:06 | |
| Tm_T | and I consider aptitude unsupported currently | 20:06 |
| Flannel | aptitude isn't unsupported, it's just not installed by default. | 20:06 |
| jussi | guntbert: apt-cache search | 20:07 |
| Tm_T | jussi: doesn't search by package state I think | 20:08 |
| Tm_T | gotta get some sleep, so good night (: | 20:08 |
| IdleOne | night Tm_T, sleep well | 20:08 |
| jussi | yeah, Im thinking similar. nini. | 20:08 |
| IdleOne | good night jussi | 20:08 |
| guntbert | apparently I cannot contribute to this discussion in a constructive way after igniting it - so I'll be on my way :-) have a nice time (and please edit !automate to point to !clone instead of !cloning) | 20:09 |
| guntbert | g'night | 20:09 |
| Flannel | !clone | 20:10 |
| ubottu | To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » (this currently may cause problems with multiarch) - See also !automate | 20:10 |
| Flannel | We still need to resolve it, but as a temporary warning.... | 20:11 |
| AlanBell | Flannel: the etherpad thing does have a separate meeting, at 16:15 local time today. I also mentioned it at the end of the IRC meeting, and in more detail in the community round table and in quite a lot of other places | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | I didn't dedicate much time to it in the IRC team meeting, I think we talked about it in the 3 minute countdown | 20:13 |
| AlanBell | so that is 3 hours from now | 20:14 |
| Flannel | AlanBell: Ah yes, so it does. I just heard you talking about it in the meeting yesterday, and apparently can't use my eyeballs. I thought you were referring to the IRC meeting this morning. | 20:14 |
| AlanBell | no, the "IRC workshops" one today was about openweek and developer week | 20:15 |
| ubottu | In #xubuntu, hebas said: ubottu ok gpaint will be optional but this soffware is in the repos of xubuntu precise | 20:52 |
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