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| jbicha | pmatulis: Seif said that the Ubuntu One integration bug should be fixed | 00:00 |
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| pmatulis | jbicha: ah thanks | 00:00 |
| pmatulis | bug number? | 00:00 |
| jbicha | pmatulis: follow up with seiflofty | 00:01 |
| pmatulis | jbicha: ty | 00:02 |
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| cprofitt | morning | 16:04 |
| SpamapS | Hey guys, I am listening in, and I am interested in this and can answer detailed Juju questions. | 16:08 |
| cprofitt | ok | 16:09 |
| cprofitt | we are not ignoring IRC | 16:09 |
| cprofitt | :-) | 16:09 |
| SpamapS | Those would all just be packages IMO. | 16:12 |
| SpamapS | <-- A gatekeeper for the juju charm store. | 16:13 |
| SpamapS | I have some ideas on how to build processes around gathering and catering these workflows, as I've been in charge of doing that with juju :) | 16:14 |
| * SpamapS is Clint Byrum FYI :) | 16:15 | |
| SpamapS | OH NOT THAT GUY! | 16:15 |
| cprofitt | nice palindromic nick | 16:15 |
| SpamapS | So you basically have two things. You have workflows for apps, and you have information providers that abstract system details to make it easier to write the workflows. | 16:17 |
| SpamapS | Thats the subtle power of Juju for cloud/server apps is that the charms are super easy to write because you don't have to learn "the cloud". | 16:18 |
| SpamapS | I don't think juju itself is useful for this. | 16:19 |
| SpamapS | but the ideas from juju map well to this idea | 16:19 |
| * cprofitt agrees | 16:20 | |
| SpamapS | GOOD NAME! | 16:22 |
| SpamapS | voodoo is the evil version of juju | 16:22 |
| SpamapS | have you thought about how to collect and distribute these "charmlings" ? | 16:24 |
| SpamapS | Make them easy to write and/or record.. #1 reason charms get people excited is that they are easy to write. | 16:26 |
| * cprofitt agrees | 16:26 | |
| SpamapS | Guys I have to go listen to another session. Very interesting stuff! | 16:26 |
| SpamapS | ping me in here if you need me and I'll come back to this audio feed | 16:27 |
| SpamapS | I'm more talking about how to distribute and collect them from/to users not on the actual machine. | 16:28 |
| SpamapS | Like if user A has an awesome workflow.. you don't want to wait until the next release of Ubuntu to get that to users. | 16:28 |
| SpamapS | juju charms are ways to extend Ubuntu post-release | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | something 'official' is useful for the user trust and adoption | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | vudu ;) | 16:29 |
| SpamapS | ok I'm off the audio feed.. cheers! | 16:29 |
| cprofitt | k | 16:30 |
| cprofitt | thanks for coming SpamapS !! | 16:30 |
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| drussell | one other thing back to xorg... flicker free resume from suspend? (I see a bunch of virtual console spam on resume each and every time... sorry no bug filed yet but happy to demo to anyone interested ;o) ) | 18:18 |
| RAOF | drussell: System compositor should fix that (although isn't strictly necessary); we just need to not VT switch on suspend. | 18:22 |
| drussell | RAOF: cool, is there an already existing bug I can subscribe to? | 18:29 |
| RAOF | drussell: Not that I can think of offhand, sorry. | 18:31 |
| drussell | RAOF: no worries | 18:31 |
| gua-uds | is there anything official (or 'officialish') about windicators? being a priority or not for 13.04, 13.10, etc | 18:42 |
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| jamespage | o/ | 18:59 |
| cmagina | listening, no comments | 19:42 |
| cmagina | thanks | 19:42 |
| cmagina | you too brian | 19:43 |
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| NMinker | greetings Daniel | 22:09 |
| dholbach | hey hey NMinker :) | 22:12 |
| * micahg waves from another room | 22:12 | |
| micahg | I think overall we're doing a lot better with SRU/backport requests | 22:13 |
| micahg | Can we add lintian instructions to the packaging guide | 22:14 |
| micahg | that might catch quite a few things that a sponsor should flag | 22:14 |
| micahg | perhaps we can half a stripped down lintian profile for SRUs since quite a bit of stuff we wouldn't allow in an SRU | 22:15 |
| micahg | s/half/have/ | 22:15 |
| micahg | can we get requestbackport to warn if source changes for build deps are required? | 22:18 |
| tumbleweed | micahg: hrm, seems doable | 22:19 |
| micahg | hmm, testing requirements for backports are much lower than SRU | 22:19 |
| broder | i think that's actually false in practice | 22:20 |
| broder | especially for anything with a reverse dep | 22:20 |
| broder | there's no explicit reverse dep testing for srus | 22:20 |
| micahg | yes, well, we generally don't allow invasive changes in an SRU either :) | 22:20 |
| ScottK | And I don't recall a case were builds/installs/runs wasn't sufficient (except in the case of rdepends) | 22:21 |
| micahg | right, usually bugs are found in the main archive version as well | 22:21 |
| SpamapS | o/ listening in now | 22:23 |
| * ScottK is just on IRC. | 22:23 | |
| * micahg is also just on IRC | 22:24 | |
| broder | ScottK: what's an example of when a backport went wrong? | 22:24 |
| ScottK | svn on hardy | 22:24 |
| ScottK | Tested a selection of rdepends and got totally screwed. | 22:24 |
| micahg | flashplugin-nonfree on hardy | 22:24 |
| ScottK | That one too. | 22:25 |
| ScottK | That's actually the one non-rdepend one I can think of. | 22:25 |
| ScottK | (I'd forgotten - painful memory) | 22:25 |
| broder | ScottK: discussion in-room is about relaxing the testing requirements since notautomatic is on | 22:25 |
| NMinker | ah, hardy, the first ubuntu i ever installed | 22:25 |
| broder | we can possibly be a bit less conservative | 22:25 |
| ScottK | I don't know what's less conservative than builds/installs/runs | 22:26 |
| micahg | broder: the issue is that NotAutomatic helps for rdepends in backports, not rdepends already in use on the system | 22:26 |
| broder | ScottK: b/i/r on r-deps | 22:26 |
| broder | the rdep testing is what's expensive | 22:26 |
| ScottK | What it means is some stuff won't get backported. | 22:27 |
| ScottK | I'm not sure how else to deal with it. | 22:27 |
| ScottK | The official rule was no library backports. | 22:27 |
| ScottK | We bent that via extensive testing. | 22:28 |
| ScottK | When we didn't do the testing, we've gotten burned. | 22:28 |
| ScottK | Not sure how to draw a line. | 22:28 |
| * broder nods | 22:28 | |
| ScottK | OTOH, if someone in ubuntu-backports wants to accept the risk, I don't strongly object to that as long as they also accept responsibility for cleaning up resulting messes. | 22:29 |
| broder | ok. we're moving on to some other stuff; laney is going to follow up by mail | 22:29 |
| ScottK | K. | 22:29 |
| Laney | ahem. | 22:30 |
| SpamapS | I feel that I am humbled by archive admins :) | 22:31 |
| micahg | SpamapS: aren't you an archive admin? | 22:31 |
| SpamapS | micahg: not technically ;) | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | micahg: I need to finish my training | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | re SRU self verification.. I think it would be fine IF we make the burden of proof higher than "works for me!" | 22:32 |
| SpamapS | The 7 day backing period needs to be backed by popcon numbers if thats what we're goign to use. | 22:34 |
| SpamapS | Isn't the role of a sponsor to educate and enable, not to do the work? | 22:39 |
| ScottK | It's a balance. | 22:39 |
| ScottK | Make it too hard and they give up and go away. | 22:39 |
| micahg | right | 22:39 |
| ScottK | For the first upload, I don't care if their name in the changelog ends up being the only thing the didn't have to fix. | 22:40 |
| SpamapS | I like the idea of taking everything they've done, even if its not in the right place or format, and getting it into the archive. | 22:41 |
| SpamapS | I tend to draw the line at *creating* things like changelog entry or patch descriptions. | 22:42 |
| broder | ah, yeah, i disagree with that | 22:42 |
| micahg | right, usually we come back to over 100 after UDS | 22:42 |
| broder | i think we should not require people to care about ubuntu processes to fix ubuntu bugs | 22:42 |
| SpamapS | broder: agreed.. I will ask somebody "Can you describe the change?" or copy the change description from the bug description. I don't make them actually run 'dch' ;) | 22:43 |
| broder | ah, sure | 22:43 |
| SpamapS | Yes thats what I do. | 22:46 |
| micahg | maybe a bot poking after 2 weeks of no activity? | 22:47 |
| SpamapS | I don't think you lose something by taking it off the list and instruct the contributor "When you've resolved X, please re-subscribe sponsors" or "Please change it back to Needs Review" | 22:47 |
| micahg | well, if the person no longer wishes to work on it, it can go back to triaged | 22:48 |
| SpamapS | Though it would be nice if the *age* was not lost. | 22:48 |
| micahg | not always true | 22:50 |
| micahg | I'd suggest 1 hr increments for community people | 22:52 |
| micahg | 1hr is enough to sponsor 2-4 debdiffs or 1-2 merge proposals | 22:53 |
| micahg | right, this is for normal stuff :) | 22:53 |
| * micahg has a bad habit of that as well :) | 22:54 | |
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| micahg | they close stuff other people leave open :) | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | They're just better than us | 22:55 |
| SpamapS | period | 22:55 |
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| micahg | umm, whoever uploads is taking responsibility for the upload | 22:56 |
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| micahg | depends on the bug I think | 22:57 |
| micahg | slangasek: I'd say anythiing that breaks the archive is the responsibility of the uploader | 22:58 |
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| bobweaver | I have new on the video stuff once the new ones are done if they get done :) The New Boston said that they will put it on there site . His python video have 288,000 hits and more on his other ones he said sure he would put them on his video tutorial collection | 22:59 |
| bobweaver | s|new|news | 23:00 |
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| micahg | please don't break th archive on Friday at EOD :) | 23:01 |
| micahg | that's what the sponsorship queue is for, alternatively, ask the patch pilot in #ubuntu-devel | 23:03 |
| micahg | some patch pilots manage to do patch review as well | 23:05 |
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| mpt | I'm not able to listen to this session (listening to another one), but one difficulty is having proxy setups to test with | 23:20 |
| mpt | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center?field.searchtext=proxy has some examples | 23:21 |
| mpt | Several of them are incomplete just because of difficulty in reproducing the problem | 23:21 |
| cyphermox | mpt: we can take care of this, I guess | 23:22 |
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