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| jamespage | moring xranby | 14:54 |
| xranby | jamespage: good morning | 14:54 |
| xranby | di session start in 1h? | 14:54 |
| xranby | do | 14:54 |
| jamespage | xranby, yep | 14:55 |
| jamespage | see you then | 14:55 |
| xranby | great, yes see you as well have a good breakfast | 14:55 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew: welcome | 15:32 |
| gnu_andrew | xranby, thanks for the heads up :-) | 15:35 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20495/foundations-q-java7/ live notes will get scribbled down here, i think you need a launchpad account to see them | 15:37 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew here is working at Red Hat and are heavily involved with bringing security fixes into IcedTea from OpenJDK and have done countless IcedTea releases during the last years | 15:40 |
| nthykier | welcome | 15:42 |
| gnu_andrew | nthykier, thanks | 15:46 |
| gnu_andrew | The last date is Oct for OpenJDK 6 security releases | 15:46 |
| nthykier | 2012? | 15:47 |
| gnu_andrew | i.e. after the 12 June and 16 Oct releases, there will be no more from Oracle | 15:47 |
| gnu_andrew | nthykier, yes 2012 | 15:47 |
| nthykier | ugh | 15:47 |
| gnu_andrew | yeah this is why it's an issue, not just us being nasty :-) | 15:47 |
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| xranby | doko: hi and welcome | 15:51 |
| jamespage | everyone able to access the pad OK? | 15:54 |
| nthykier | nope - I guess my membership of that etherpad group needs to be approved first >.> | 15:56 |
| xranby | ok shall we start? | 15:58 |
| jamespage | nthykier, I just poked to see if that can be done now | 15:58 |
| jamespage | yes | 15:58 |
| jamespage | OK - lets make a start - any late attendees this end can catchup | 15:59 |
| xranby | for people listening in on audio try reconnect, the shoutcast server restarts every full hour | 16:00 |
| nthykier | (who is the speaker, btw? jamespage?) | 16:01 |
| doko | yes | 16:01 |
| jamespage | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Java7Default | 16:01 |
| gnu_andrew | no access either | 16:03 |
| xranby | is Ubuntu collaborating with the Fedora team to shake down Java7 FTBFS bugs? | 16:04 |
| nthykier | A Lintian check for what exactly? | 16:06 |
| nthykier | (sorry the sound is not the best) | 16:07 |
| jamespage | nthykier, to check to see if the bytecode in a jar file is only compatible with Java 7 | 16:07 |
| jamespage | i.e. not backwards compatible | 16:07 |
| doko | nthykier, for the byte-code format used; to make sure that everything is built for e.g. 1.5 or 1.6, not 1.7 | 16:07 |
| nthykier | should be trivial to do - there is some code for that already in javahelper | 16:07 |
| jamespage | nthykier, are you aware of plans to switch default-java in Debian this release? | 16:08 |
| nthykier | I am not aware of anyone doing it either, but having heard of the "security support" for Java6, I am considering to work on it | 16:09 |
| gnu_andrew | nthykier, jamespage: I suggest liasing with Fedora who've already switched in F17. They may have patches you can share. | 16:09 |
| doko | usually Debian has a super set of the Fedora packages | 16:10 |
| gnu_andrew | I know. But doing the common subset again is silly. | 16:10 |
| * gnu_andrew remembers only Debian had GNU Classpath and not Fedora :-) | 16:11 | |
| jamespage | agreed - and we will colloborate as much as possible to ensure work is not repeated | 16:11 |
| gnu_andrew | and yes obviously the ideal is the upstream package has it :-) | 16:12 |
| xranby | - #ARM ASM-interpreter and Thumb2 JIT ported to #OpenJDK 7u3 Hotspot 22, IcedTea 7 2.1.1 branch, by chrisphi, aph & adinn at Red Hat. | 16:14 |
| jamespage | gnu_andrew, agreed | 16:14 |
| xranby | - The only problem is that there is no IcedTea 7 2.1.1 release planned by the icedtea team. Ubuntu are currently providing a pre-release build for arm using this 2.1.1 branch. | 16:14 |
| xranby | - The good news: the assembler port and thumb2 jit work https://docs.google.com/a/gudinna.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0ArR4FJuzvXEsdDZkek5QcXd3c2ROMm1IajE1WmFwYkE&oid=4&zx=edub54x8oark | 16:14 |
| xranby | - all in all my, xranby, experience is that the openjdk 7 using the arm port hits no regression in usage compared to the openjdk 6 port.. so its sane to let distributions default to it and keep working on tck convergence | 16:14 |
| gnu_andrew | xranby, plan one :-) | 16:14 |
| gnu_andrew | xranby, seriously I'd like one but don't feel qualified to say whether we are ready for one or not | 16:14 |
| xranby | i have asked andrew haley (aph) Andrew Dinn and Chris Phillips on how much work there is left to get openjdk7 on arm to be feature complete and pass TCK | 16:16 |
| xranby | (14:03:59) aph_: xranby: I don't think that there are any really specific problems with the ARM port, except for the fact that hotspot is being constantly rewritten. | 16:16 |
| xranby | (14:04:16) aph_: xranby: apparently permgen is due to be deleted altogether | 16:16 |
| xranby | (15:50:09) ChrisPhi_: I see zero as having a lot of work to converge with jsr 292 / lambda and adopt some bytecode generation approaches, then we should be in maint mode. | 16:17 |
| jamespage | xranby, thats great news - and agreed that its sane to use in the distro due to no regression against openjdk6 port | 16:18 |
| xranby | the best part that have happened during the past cycle is that the arm port have passed the tck for openjdk 6 | 16:18 |
| xranby | and that is now actively maintained by 3+ people | 16:18 |
| xranby | if we want more distributions to use the icedtea7 2.1.1 branch then i can assign me to a workitem to do one release from that branch in this cycle | 16:20 |
| xranby | this would create an official icedtea release with the included arm port | 16:20 |
| doko | xranby, +1 | 16:20 |
| xranby | focus will be heavily switched to java 7 | 16:22 |
| xranby | i think we will drop support on the many parralel icedtea6 branches | 16:22 |
| xranby | ideally we want icedtea7 2.1.1 branch to pass the tck before releasing it | 16:25 |
| nthykier | yeah | 16:25 |
| xranby | are calxeda pleased with the openjdk performance? | 16:25 |
| doko | xranby, it's the 2.1 branch, 2.1.3 would be fine for this as well | 16:25 |
| xranby | No | 16:26 |
| jamespage | xranby, have we got access to TCK for Java7 yet? | 16:26 |
| jamespage | :-( | 16:26 |
| xranby | i do not have access to the tck | 16:26 |
| nthykier | Do we have a "clear" picture of how "far" the Java6 -> Java7 transition is (in terms of FTBFS issues) | 16:26 |
| xranby | its unclear if i can get access to it since it require signing a nda | 16:26 |
| xranby | i will work closely on QA with the readhat team | 16:26 |
| xranby | who have access to the tck | 16:26 |
| xranby | Red Hat | 16:27 |
| jamespage | xranby, great - I expect some people in Ubuntu will as well so hopefully we can help there as well | 16:27 |
| doko | nthykier, jamespage had used some user tags for these, but can't remember which ones ;) | 16:27 |
| doko | in addition to this, we'll need some gcj patches from trunk for these archs which don't have an openjdk | 16:27 |
| nthykier | When will the "syncs calm down"? | 16:28 |
| gnu_andrew | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java7_Package_Rebuild_Status is the Fedora effort if that helps | 16:28 |
| jamespage | nthykier, ~3weeks ish | 16:28 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew: thanks | 16:29 |
| doko | nthykier, they should already, but the merges need to be done | 16:29 |
| gnu_andrew | doko, we don't even have 2.1.1 yet, steady on :-) | 16:29 |
| doko | I didn't claim that | 16:29 |
| jamespage | nthykier, we should have a better view by the end of this month | 16:29 |
| doko | which maybe is a bit late for the debian freeze | 16:30 |
| xranby | will ubuntu revert to debian armv4t+ for armel? | 16:30 |
| nthykier | jamespage: unfortunately "the end of this month" is a little too close to the Debian freezy | 16:30 |
| doko | xranby, no | 16:30 |
| nthykier | s/freezy/freeze/ | 16:30 |
| jamespage | nthykier, OK - the implication being we won;t be able to land fixes back into Debian in the short term? | 16:30 |
| * jamespage is not familiar with the debian release process | 16:31 | |
| gnu_andrew | today is the first I've heard of most of this. It would be really helpful if we had more input on when/what releases are needed on distro-pkg-dev@openjdk.java.net | 16:31 |
| nthykier | it will be difficult at best | 16:31 |
| jamespage | nthykier, esp if they are to support something that is happening in Ubuntu that has no immediate impact in Debian I guess | 16:32 |
| nthykier | yeah | 16:32 |
| jamespage | gnu_andrew, what would make life easier? a head up in advance on what we are doing for the next release as soon as WE know? | 16:32 |
| nthykier | unless there is a "strong" driving force (e.g. the debian security team) pushing for Java7, I think it will next to impossible to get it in after the freeze starts | 16:33 |
| jamespage | nthykier, OK - are they aware of the situation with OpenJDK6? | 16:33 |
| doko | nthykier, unfortunately I didn't see this in the past | 16:34 |
| nthykier | don't know if they are | 16:34 |
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| gnu_andrew | jamespage, yeah, and if you need/would prefer a release of some branch | 16:36 |
| gnu_andrew | doko, nthykier: I doubt Debian wants to be doing their own security support for 6, especially given the limited resources they seem to have on it | 16:37 |
| xranby | on testing: do we have openjdk tests running on top of the ubuntu OHIO? test QA framework? | 16:37 |
| xranby | also .. can we provide preview releases using JuJu to get say openjdk8 running | 16:37 |
| doko | OHIO? | 16:37 |
| xranby | doko: whats the QA framework named that the QA team invented during the precise cycle? | 16:38 |
| gnu_andrew | jamespage, currently I'm mostly shooting in the dark when it comes to releases, which isn't good | 16:38 |
| jamespage | gnu_andrew, OK - I've actioned myself to talk to you about that... | 16:38 |
| doko | xranby, the jtreg tests are run with every package upload, same for all third party java packages which provide a testsuite | 16:38 |
| xranby | jamespage: ideally use juju to compile openjdk 8 from source and install it | 16:38 |
| jamespage | xranby, possible -= fancy giving it a try? I can help out | 16:39 |
| gnu_andrew | jamespage, thanks, much appreciated! | 16:39 |
| xranby | jamespage: yes i fancy giving it a shot | 16:39 |
| xranby | to help bring the latest test releases into ubuntu fast | 16:39 |
| xranby | of openjdk | 16:39 |
| xranby | i will pass the question to gnu_andrew | 16:40 |
| xranby | opebnjdk 8 have some interesting new features | 16:40 |
| xranby | like jigsaw | 16:40 |
| gnu_andrew | xranby, that's another good point. I'd like to see 8 moving out earlier so we don't have this issue again. | 16:40 |
| gnu_andrew | especially as it will change much more than 7 did | 16:40 |
| gnu_andrew | and getting Debian/Ubuntu's feedback on Jigsaw before it is stable and unchangeable is very important | 16:42 |
| gnu_andrew | (Jigsaw is the module system for the JDK) | 16:42 |
| xranby | Jigsaw uses .deb! | 16:42 |
| xranby | (i think) | 16:42 |
| nthykier | At least, Debian had a GSoC student on Jigsaw | 16:43 |
| gnu_andrew | xranby, I've honestly lost track. dalibor was dabbling with .deb at one point but we really need to get our hands dirty and find out | 16:43 |
| gnu_andrew | biggest problem at the moment is so much work to do and too few hands on deck to be honest | 16:43 |
| xranby | i would like to say | 16:44 |
| xranby | if someone want to help out with a thumb2 -> arm port | 16:44 |
| xranby | then we can get a jit running on a raspberry pi | 16:44 |
| xranby | it would be a quite good work for a computer sciense student | 16:45 |
| xranby | another qusetion | 16:45 |
| xranby | question: is calxeda in the room? | 16:45 |
| jamespage | no | 16:45 |
| xranby | any comments on openjdk performance on their servers? | 16:46 |
| xranby | ok | 16:46 |
| xranby | is everything noted down in the pad | 16:46 |
| xranby | cheers | 16:46 |
| xranby | thank you for attending | 16:46 |
| xranby | looking forward to a rapid openjdk adoption | 16:47 |
| xranby | of new upstream openjdk releases | 16:47 |
| xranby | thank you as well at #uds for a nice session | 16:47 |
| xranby | and thank you gnu_andrew for giving the Fedora Red Hat input on things! | 16:47 |
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| gnu_andrew | xranby, I wouldn't claim to represent Fedora. I barely even use it ;-) More upstream. | 16:50 |
| udsbotu | uds-gb-f: 4 minutes left in this session! | 16:50 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew: ok, thank you for correcting me.. | 16:50 |
| gnu_andrew | xranby, just don't want the responsibility as speaking for Fedora. Nowhere near qualified :-) | 16:51 |
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| xranby | last reminder: Use JamVM if you run into any issues with hotspot | 16:52 |
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| gnu_andrew | xranby, not cacao? | 16:54 |
| xranby | and cacao | 16:54 |
| xranby | of course | 16:54 |
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| xranby | if you got a Raspberry PI use the cacao JIT: https://docs.google.com/a/gudinna.com/spreadsheet/oimg?key=0ArR4FJuzvXEsdDZkek5QcXd3c2ROMm1IajE1WmFwYkE&oid=3&zx=ipo09v1y3q53 | 16:55 |
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| gnu_andrew | xranby, does http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20495/foundations-q-java7/ work for you? Logged in via my account but just taking me round in circles | 16:55 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew: yes it work for me | 16:56 |
| xranby | i can paste you a summary | 16:56 |
| xranby | gnu_andrew: http://fpaste.org/jkjV/ | 16:57 |
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| SpamapS | Who is there? Nobody? | 17:04 |
| SpamapS | Perfect! ^^ | 17:05 |
| doko | you are watched ;p | 17:05 |
| ansgar | doko: But there is no video stream. How can you watch? :) | 17:06 |
| SpamapS | We need Ben Howard and Robie Basak as well, I don't hear them | 17:07 |
| smoser | hello? | 17:07 |
| DonKult_uds | smoser: hello, where are you? | 17:08 |
| smoser | i left session. i ddin't actually know this got scheduled. | 17:08 |
| smoser | if you want to discuss, we can, i can come | 17:08 |
| smoser | but i have no new information since wednesday morning. | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | bring utlemming and rbasak | 17:09 |
| smoser | k. i'll come down there. | 17:09 |
| DonKult_uds | i have… i didn't realized that another session was sheduled so started a discussion on dak -> https://lists.debian.org/debian-dak/2012/05/msg00006.html | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | can perhaps be moved to the next hour.. there are not many sessions for 11:00 - 11:55 | 17:11 |
| SpamapS | apt | 0.8.16~exp12ubuntu10 | precise | source, amd64, armel, armhf, i386, powerpc | 17:16 |
| SpamapS | not apt pinning | 17:20 |
| SpamapS | host pinning | 17:21 |
| SpamapS | We're giving mirror admins the *option* to run the hash generation if they update aggressively. | 17:27 |
| ansgar | Requiring all mirrors to update seems not a good idea. That might take quite a while. | 17:29 |
| * mvo is now listening | 17:30 | |
| SpamapS | You can be atomic with 1 symlink mv atomicity and using hardlinks but nobody does that. | 17:32 |
| SpamapS | Better to have the format intrinsically made to handle skew between fetch of different files. | 17:33 |
| ansgar | You could also poulate a dists-new/ and then replace the old one. | 17:33 |
| SpamapS | ansgar: right, thats the hardlink method (since storing two mirrors would be a bit wasteful) | 17:33 |
| ansgar | Though it wouldn't help with clients that have the old Release and then get the new Packages. Which I believe what you want. | 17:34 |
| mvo | I think if we can we should do both, right? improve the server side mirror script plus add code to apt to make it more robust | 17:34 |
| mvo | if its orthogonal we should do both, right? | 17:34 |
| ansgar | (I never get those hash mismatches btw. ;) ) | 17:34 |
| SpamapS | ansgar: We each do 100 apt-get updates a day during the dev cycle and we see them a lot. | 17:36 |
| SpamapS | Right, multiarch added more files to fetch | 17:37 |
| smoser | to re-iterate. we are interested in a solution. | 17:38 |
| SpamapS | BTW, somewhat related data point.. work is beginning this cycle of Ubuntu to combine main and universe into just 'main' (support will be communicated via seeds, not component) | 17:38 |
| mvo | sorry if I missed stuff, but dosn't option B with the timestamp/version in the http path fixes the proxy issue not too? | 17:39 |
| mvo | i.e. it will be different for each Packages file, no? | 17:39 |
| mvo | or am I missing something here? | 17:39 |
| SpamapS | We helped w/ the squid issue in Ubuntu btw by setting Expires to teh same value for Release and Packages* | 17:39 |
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| smoser | mvo, it would fix the proxy issue, yes. | 17:39 |
| mvo | thanks smoser, so what is the problem with option (b) then? I'm not fully sure that I understand the current discussion? note that I'm not favoring one particular one, I just try to understand the issue | 17:40 |
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| mvo | and also why do we need to change ever client? it would be libapt doing it, no? | 17:41 |
| ansgar | mvo: debmirror and friends might need changes as well I assume. At least if they want to take advantage of it. | 17:41 |
| udsbotu | uds-gb-f: 3 minutes left in this session! | 17:41 |
| mvo | thanks, I think I understand | 17:41 |
| SpamapS | Do we have actions from this btw? Or are the actions from the main blueprint enough? | 17:42 |
| mvo | ok | 17:42 |
| mvo | you could have a smart proxy that would ignore de.archive.ubuntu.com, archive.ubuntu.com etc as the hashsum is the only relevant piece | 17:42 |
| mvo | that is pretty clever | 17:42 |
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| mvo | ansgar: right, the mirror stuff is client work too | 17:43 |
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| SpamapS | ok, actions: move discussion forward in mailing list, and develop PoC | 17:44 |
| smoser | ansgar, you're right . debmirror would need improvements to know about either format acutally. | 17:45 |
| smoser | but with by-hash, i can update my mirror without the upstrem mirror to me implementing it. | 17:45 |
| smoser | (and keep the signed release) | 17:45 |
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| SpamapS | I added the work item for rbasak to http://pad.ubuntu.com/uds-q-servercloud-q-apt-improvements | 17:45 |
| mvo | proof of concept for server? client? both? | 17:47 |
| mvo | apt-get / apt-ftparchive? | 17:47 |
| smoser | mvo both. | 17:48 |
| mvo | cool | 17:48 |
| SpamapS | I would think it has to be on both | 17:48 |
| smoser | server is almost implemented in the ehterpad | 17:48 |
| smoser | (ie, its really easy!) | 17:48 |
| smoser | ansgar, mvo so, just so everyone here is clear, myself, and rbasak are most interestd in getting a solution. | 17:49 |
| * mvo looks | 17:49 | |
| mvo | right, we are all on the same page I think :) | 17:49 |
| mvo | we want to fix it too | 17:49 |
| smoser | http://paste.ubuntu.com/976863/ | 17:49 |
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| mvo | I think at least the apt-get part is pretty simple too for by-hash (well, for both) | 17:50 |
| mvo | a flag would be nice in the release file in both methods | 17:51 |
| mvo | but I guess that is hard for the mirrors that have not converted | 17:51 |
| ansgar | mvo: You need to check by downloading in any case. You might have the new Release, but the mirror script might not mirror the new files. | 17:52 |
| * mvo nods | 17:52 | |
| ansgar | Installers are also mentioned in Release. (A file with checksums actually.) | 17:54 |
| ansgar | Would the schemes store those as well in by-hash? | 17:54 |
| * mvo gtg | 17:55 | |
| SpamapS | its only the lists | 17:55 |
| smoser | ansgar, i'm sorry, i didn't follow your question, i think/hope SpamapS did. | 17:56 |
| SpamapS | by-hash/2029447895 does not instill as much confidence as by-hash/affaf8faf5a5f8a9cc9c99e9b9b9ffa70900aff76f6f | 17:57 |
| SpamapS | crc32 | 17:58 |
| SpamapS | ftw | 17:58 |
| SpamapS | ;) | 17:58 |
| SpamapS | ____________________________________ | 17:59 |
| SpamapS | / enough comedy, time to go to other \ | 17:59 |
| SpamapS | \ sessions! Cheers / | 17:59 |
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| DonKult_uds | ansgar: thanks for coming on such a short notice! Any preference yet? ;) | 18:02 |
| smoser | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule is our release schdule | 18:03 |
| smoser | ansgar, thank you. | 18:03 |
| ansgar | DonKult_uds: Hmm, not yet. I'm not sure what would be better to use for the mirrors (and I don't have much experience with the mirror part). | 18:05 |
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| yaili_ | hi | 19:05 |
| yaili_ | hi david | 19:06 |
| yaili_ | no worries :) | 19:06 |
| dpm | http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20729/community-p-appdevelopers-site-incremental-improvements/ | 19:11 |
| yaili_ | I'd be happy to give feedback | 19:42 |
| yaili_ | yes | 19:42 |
| yaili_ | yeah, go ahead | 19:42 |
| yaili_ | "Consultancy" :D | 19:42 |
| yaili_ | makes sense, I think the idea in the first phase was to just get people going, so the focus on get started was more important | 19:50 |
| yaili_ | now that people might know the site, makes sense to make make news more prominent | 19:50 |
| yaili_ | I think it will need a bit of UX | 19:50 |
| yaili_ | I will add a note to the web team that would be good for a UX to look at it | 19:51 |
| yaili_ | ok, I'll talk to them on Monday, I'll present both options: a) we do it, b) someone helps us and we're feedback/help | 19:52 |
| yaili_ | sure | 19:52 |
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| yaili_ | thanks o/ | 19:59 |
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| SpamapS | This is my dream session.. Don't take it away from me! Upstart and Juju in perfect harmony... ;) | 22:06 |
| SpamapS | I printed out materials you can find them under your chairs... | 22:06 |
| jamespage | ? | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | Yes sort of | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | I did not file this one | 22:07 |
| SpamapS | The idea is to make sure that its really easy to use an upstart job in your charm | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | Yeah, and I think we skipped this topic | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | Its not really a 1 hour conversation... | 22:08 |
| SpamapS | Just a "anybody have ideas on how to make it easy and/or encourage it" | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | Upstart jobs are so simple.. | 22:09 |
| SpamapS | IMO upstart job is the obvious way to start a service deployed by a charm. | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | Nor am I. :) | 22:10 |
| SpamapS | Here's what I think.. we talked about "flag bearing charms" that implement all best practices. We can pick 1 or 2 that do it right, and make sure they're known as such. | 22:11 |
| SpamapS | +1's all around? | 22:11 |
| jamespage | +1 | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | The start/stop hooks are horribly misunderstood | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | I think you just got it wrong ;) | 22:12 |
| SpamapS | Even w/ an upstart job, you need to have the action required to start/stop it in start/stop hooks | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | start/stop can be called w/o rebooting the machine | 22:13 |
| SpamapS | No templates needed.. most jobs are 3 or 4 lines | 22:14 |
| SpamapS | james hunt.. I have a question on a potential feature | 22:14 |
| jamespage | so good examples and some extra information as comments in the hooks to help people understand what does what | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | lxc containers cannot be run without network abstraction because of upstart's private netlink socket ... | 22:15 |
| SpamapS | can we create some way for upstart to detect that it is running in a container that does not have network namespaced, and listen somewhere else? | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | (this is unrelated to the blueprint topic) | 22:16 |
| SpamapS | no, /sbin/init fails | 22:17 |
| SpamapS | yes but only if your container has the network namespaced | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | if you let the container inherit the host's networking, /sbin/init cannot listen on the netlink socket. | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | AH | 22:18 |
| SpamapS | ok, because we wanted to use LXC to contain juju units without namespacing the network, but we can't | 22:19 |
| SpamapS | Ok, thought it was upstart's problem. Ok, thats all from me. :) | 22:20 |
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| SpamapS | For ~charmers .. grand-ballroom-a would be a good spot to go to see how ubuntu is unblocking their review/contributor processes | 22:21 |
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| SpamapS | o/ | 23:20 |
| xranby1 | i am having issues connecting to the icecast audio server | 23:24 |
| SpamapS | sqlite does table locking, so multi-user will just be single threaded | 23:32 |
| SpamapS | sounds good :) | 23:35 |
| SpamapS | 1 year | 23:43 |
| SpamapS | 8.04 == 2008 + 5 == 2013 | 23:43 |
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