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| mpt | ^_^ | 00:08 |
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| mpt | Hey lifeless | 00:08 |
| mpt | Accept no imitations! | 00:08 |
| lifeless | o/ | 00:08 |
| lifeless | mpt: speak up :) | 00:17 |
| mpt | At least once we get the graph showing something sensible, it should be moving around just as much five years from now as it is the first week | 00:20 |
| mpt | (That's not a goal, but it would be an emergent property of doing the right thing) | 00:20 |
| mpt | There's a tradeoff between alerting developers promptly to a sudden problem (which should show up as a dip in the graph), vs. being accurate (which requires taking a longer-duration sample) | 00:23 |
| mpt | compare http://arewefastyet.com/ (which used to be much more interesting than it is now) | 00:23 |
| mpt | Agreed on only a few days old by default | 00:24 |
| mpt | I can hear lifeless fine | 00:25 |
| mpt | but at the expense of hearing it 10 seconds late | 00:25 |
| mpt | (where by "it" I mean "everything", sorry lifeless) | 00:25 |
| mpt | (or more likely, increases) | 00:28 |
| mpt | They're correlated to the extent that more computers make it a bit more likely that their problems will be unique | 00:29 |
| mpt | We could fiddle that somehow by only counting machines that have reported at least 2 problems, or somethng like that | 00:29 |
| lifeless | mpt: they are, OTOH more machines also means more reporting of common problems :) | 00:32 |
| mpt | sure | 00:32 |
| lifeless | mpt: so both more density and a longer tail, if you do a histogram | 00:32 |
| mpt | exactly | 00:32 |
| mpt | Oh, lifeless has eyes now | 00:54 |
| lifeless | o-o | 00:54 |
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| lifeless | wow, skype uses a full core | 01:00 |
| lifeless | nonstop, fingers burning on keyboard | 01:00 |
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| * cmagina is currently running a multi node hadoop on arm | 16:11 | |
| cmagina | via openjdk | 16:11 |
| dannf | it isn't uncommon for a lot of network traffic to "take out" a bmc - even on modern intel-based systems | 16:41 |
| dannf | broadcast ping will suffer from ^ | 16:45 |
| dannf | right - i'm just saying that "network storms" can make some bmcs unresponsive | 16:49 |
| dannf | but yeah, unicast response helps that | 16:49 |
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| dannf | heh | 16:50 |
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| xnox | mpt: are you attending this session? would you like g+ and or skype? | 17:59 |
| mpt | xnox, Skype would be good, thanks | 18:00 |
| mpt | You don't have to stay here, I'm also listening to the streaming audio | 18:03 |
| Chipaca | mpt: i can give you video via skype or g+ if you wish | 18:05 |
| mpt | If submitting from a PPA is a common action, maybe we should add a link to that from the PPA page (showing up if you're the PPA admin) | 18:09 |
| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppReviewBoard/Submissions/Request | 18:12 |
| mpt | The #1 problem with changelogs is that they currently aren't written for users | 18:17 |
| mpt | The problem with putting any changes in the description is that it doesn't know which version you currently have installed | 18:18 |
| mpt | I can, but the audio lags behind reality by about 10 seconds so I'd almost certainly interrupt someone | 18:19 |
| mpt | :-) | 18:19 |
| mpt | Adding a link wrapped in a permission would be, like, 20 lines of diff | 18:25 |
| mpt | It's not rocket surgery | 18:25 |
| ajmitch | just setting up LP & writing tests can take some time :) | 18:25 |
| * mpt waves to akk | 18:32 | |
| akk | hi, mpt | 18:33 |
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| ChipaPhone | mpt, battery running out | 18:49 |
| mpt | no worries | 18:50 |
| ChipaPhone | so is the session:) | 18:50 |
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| Chipaca | ahhh.... moar batteries | 19:00 |
| mpt | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotificationDesignGuidelines | 19:04 |
| mpt | How about *nearly* full home/usr partition? | 19:14 |
| mpt | because it's likely to become full in the near future | 19:14 |
| mpt | Possibly-crappy network info might belong in the Network settings panel | 19:16 |
| mpt | (I haven't seen the screenshot you're referring to) | 19:17 |
| mpt | Maybe a nearly-full warning should be megabyte-based, not percentage-based | 19:18 |
| mpt | ah, joy, notify-osd fallback | 19:18 |
| mpt | That sounds like reasonable | 19:23 |
| mpt | For each kind of warning, the design needs to include what advice to offer | 19:24 |
| mpt | on how to fix the problem | 19:24 |
| mpt | --- | 19:25 |
| mpt | You don't care that a USB key is nearly full either, probably -- more about /home and /usr | 19:25 |
| mpt | --- | 19:25 |
| mpt | ... For each warning type, we also need to think about when to present it -- for example, if a problem happens that will prevent you from logging in, we should present that not just immediately, but also when you try to log out, shut down, etc | 19:26 |
| mpt | --- | 19:34 |
| mpt | I suggest that each event have one work item for the design and one work item for the implementation | 19:35 |
| mpt | It's unlikely that they will all be designed, or all implemented, at once | 19:35 |
| mpt | ok :-) | 19:36 |
| mpt | --- | 19:49 |
| mpt | That software update redness is going away in 12.10 | 19:49 |
| mpt | (because software updates itselfis going away from the system menu) | 19:49 |
| mpt | Update Manager already tells you if you need to restart. If you don't immediately, you're not any less secure than you were before you installed the update. | 19:50 |
| mpt | No, it's an alert box | 19:51 |
| mpt | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#alert | 19:52 |
| mpt | (but that may need work to highlight when updates are security updates) | 19:52 |
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| mpt | Yes, I'd love to help with the design | 19:57 |
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| mpt | Lunchtime for me too | 19:58 |
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| benonsoftware | Yay :D | 22:05 |
| daker_ | 5/5 | 22:08 |
| sagaci | HEY ALL YOU PEOPLE | 22:08 |
| benonsoftware | Hiya sagaci | 22:08 |
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| benonsoftware | I have no sound :( | 22:09 |
| sagaci | watch the etherpad | 22:09 |
| daker_ | benonsoftware: the stream is working | 22:10 |
| benonsoftware | daker_: I have no sound card :( | 22:10 |
| benonsoftware | I will :P | 22:10 |
| daker_ | ah | 22:10 |
| benonsoftware | I will download the audio once it's finished though | 22:10 |
| benonsoftware | Hiya philipballew | 22:11 |
| philipballew | hello benonsoftware | 22:12 |
| benonsoftware | Let's get started :D | 22:12 |
| benonsoftware | BDFL? | 22:12 |
| JoseeAntonioR | Benevolent Dictator For Life | 22:13 |
| benonsoftware | Ah | 22:13 |
| daker_ | +1 for social media | 22:14 |
| daker_ | weekly/monthly hangout on G+ ? | 22:15 |
| philipballew | daker_, you down to help with me on a once a month google hangout? | 22:18 |
| daker_ | will try | 22:18 |
| benonsoftware | I'll help out if I can get WiFi | 22:18 |
| benonsoftware | Credit to philipballew for Classroom sessions | 22:19 |
| benonsoftware | I'm all for helping setup the sessions, just need people to run them | 22:20 |
| philipballew | daker_, ill add me and you to the wiki | 22:20 |
| benonsoftware | May I say something about the elections? | 22:20 |
| philipballew | go for it | 22:21 |
| benonsoftware | I suggest we have a election for all couincil members soon as it has been a long time since one has happened and some are not active with Ubuntu and IRC anymore | 22:21 |
| benonsoftware | Daniel Bugl is one person who has stopped using IRC for a while | 22:22 |
| benonsoftware | I would say 3 months is too short | 22:24 |
| benonsoftware | I would say 12 months | 22:24 |
| benonsoftware | philipballew: have you gotten a response from the other council members yet? | 22:25 |
| philipballew | no | 22:26 |
| benonsoftware | Hmm, that is troubleing | 22:27 |
| philipballew | hints the reelection I guess | 22:27 |
| benonsoftware | philipballew: Yes, that is why electiuon would be good | 22:27 |
| benonsoftware | But who should run?, how do we say you can/cannot run for election? | 22:28 |
| benonsoftware | By, Should every current council member allowed to campaign if that means can they run again I would say yes | 22:28 |
| bilal | benonsoftware: yes, every current member would be a candidate for the next election by default | 22:29 |
| bilal | they could opt out though | 22:29 |
| benonsoftware | Yes | 22:29 |
| benonsoftware | philipballew: As you are TL when do you rthink will be a good time to run elections? | 22:30 |
| benonsoftware | What was that? | 22:32 |
| benonsoftware | Ah, never mind | 22:37 |
| benonsoftware | Sorry about that | 22:40 |
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| bilal | benonsoftware: we've wrapped up | 22:48 |
| bilal | benonsoftware: so... :) | 22:48 |
| benonsoftware | Ah, okies | 22:49 |
| benonsoftware | Could someone ping me once the audi ofile is uploaded | 22:49 |
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| mpt | hi | 23:14 |
| mpt | The hardware IDs are already not personally identifiable. The privacy issue has never been the presence of the hardware ID, it's been that the crash report might contain *other* personally identifable information. Right? | 23:52 |
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