[16:01] <IdleOne> Morning folks o/
[16:02] <daker> o/
[16:12] <IdleOne> We can't all room with Jono
[16:15] <bilal> dscassel: :)
[16:20] <IdleOne> hahaha
[16:20] <dscassel> Continuing to draw people's attention to the screen with IRC on it is helpful for the benefit of remote users. :)
[16:22] <dscassel> Hi! :D
[16:22] <IdleOne> hello dscassel
[16:22] <dscassel> Hey, IdleOne. :)
[16:25] <vibhav>  Cant we get more Ubuntu Global jams in an Area instead of only 2? That might improve  collaboration between LoCo members.
[16:27] <vibhav> Also, It would be nice if I could get an answer on IRC, since my speakers are not working :)
[16:27] <sagaci> you can have as many jams as you can create/attend
[16:28] <vibhav> GLobal Jams only occur between 2 - 4 March 2012, as per the wiki
[16:28] <dscassel> The bot seems to know what session is going on. It can't save it somewhere more reasonable?
[16:29] <bilal> dscassel: "patches welcome" is the stock canonical reply
[16:29] <bilal> don't be disappointed :)
[16:29] <vibhav> heh
[16:29] <dscassel> bilal: I'm getting that. :)
[16:29] <sagaci> vibhav, depends, if the global jam is within a weekend or two, you could ping the loco portal team to widen the Global Jam window, otherwise just label it as a normal event
[16:30] <bilal> vibhav: Global jam fits well in the middle of a cycle
[16:30] <vibhav> ah
[16:30] <bilal> vibhav: since that's just the right point for something that kind
[16:31] <dscassel> I don't really object to the idea...
[16:31] <vibhav> Does any concept of Ubuntu LoCo Jams exist?
[16:31] <sagaci> jams are usually created by locos
[16:31] <vibhav> ah
[16:32] <dscassel> vibav: Local jams can be organized any time.
[16:32] <sagaci> there's nothing stopping you from holding an event this weekend
[16:32] <IdleOne> point is that you can organize an event and call it a jam or a marmalade or whatever at anytime of the cycle.
[16:32] <dscassel> vibhav: We've been tossing around the idea of an early Jam for more developer-ish stuff for a while.  (Nobody has had time/resources to organize, sadly)
[16:33] <dscassel> The Global Jam happens right after beta 1 to encourage beta testing, which is reasonable.
[16:33] <IdleOne> who me?
[16:34] <IdleOne> yeah I should be here
[16:34] <IdleOne> sounds good
[16:34]  * dscassel has to do timezone conversion in his head. :)
[16:34] <IdleOne> I'll get my pants
[16:34]  * bilal is in the room
[16:34] <IdleOne> lol
[16:34] <dscassel> ...potentially...
[16:34] <IdleOne> your in America! speak MERICAN
[16:34] <IdleOne> you;re*
[16:34] <sagaci> vibhav, there's no point in waiting for the next global jam if you can organise one sooner
[16:34] <dscassel> IdleOne: You were right the first time. :)
[16:35] <IdleOne> hehe
[16:37] <IdleOne> bless you
[16:37] <dscassel> So (to play devil's advocate), the 200M user goal isn't measurable?
[16:37] <IdleOne> how would it be measured?
[16:38] <dscassel> IdleOne: There are plenty of ways (that would all freak out the sizable (and loveable) tin foil hat contigent of our community).
[16:39] <AlanBell> there were some good stats from wikimedia user agent strings
[16:39] <dscassel> IdleOne: I ask more to question the value of a goal that can't be measured.
[16:39] <IdleOne> dscassel: I honestly think the numbers are more to make accountants and money people happy. I don't really care if 1 or 100 million are using ubuntu
[16:39] <popey> you would care if you were an app developer
[16:39] <IdleOne> popey: probably
[16:40] <popey> is the target market 1, 100, 1000000, 1000000000000
[16:40] <dscassel> I do want to have some data to pitch Ubuntu as a platform for local developer groups.
[16:40] <IdleOne> but does marketability really matter in FOSS? I mean if I make an app and it is useful to one person isn't that the goal? everything else is gravy
[16:41] <dscassel> IdleOne: by "apps," we're not necessarily talking FOSS. (Evil, I know).
[16:41] <IdleOne> dscassel: true
[16:42] <IdleOne> because forums are evil
[16:42] <dscassel> Although I'm happy to argue that if your app is easy for users to pay for, making it free software shouldn't hurt you much more than piracy does, and you'd get big kudos from your target market.
[16:45] <AlanBell> http://stats.wikimedia.org/wikimedia/squids/SquidReportOperatingSystems.htm
[16:48] <popey> http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=doudou
[16:49] <IdleOne> Mint has taken over!
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[16:51] <vibhav> Many LoCos offer Loco Membership (Eg: The Ubuntu-IT LoCo), would it be usefull to mention it in the Membership Wiki page?
[16:51] <IdleOne> Head Line: Jono bashes distrowatch. Says 1995 called.
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[16:52] <IdleOne> I am a member of 3 locos
[16:52] <IdleOne> it doesn't have anything to do with Ubuntu membership
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[16:53] <vibhav> No, I mean some peopl have an email id of @ubuntu-it.org
[16:53] <vibhav> The ubuntu italy LoCo provides LoCo MEMBERSHIP
[16:53] <IdleOne> vibhav: that it strictly .it loco thing
[16:53] <dscassel> That sounds like work to me. :)
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[16:54] <vibhav> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-it-members
[16:54] <dscassel> I'd rather encouage people to become Ubuntu members, really.
[16:54] <vibhav> Actually many LoCos have this option
[16:54] <IdleOne> vibhav: right, that is something the .it loco team decided to offer to .it people.
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[16:55] <vibhav> IdleOne: It might be worth mention "Check your LoCo Home Page if It offers LoCo membership"
[16:55] <vibhav> mentioning*
[16:56] <AlanBell> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20746/etherpad-lite-summit-integration/
[16:56] <IdleOne> vibhav: the thing is that membership is about Ubuntu globally, being a recognised member of a loco team is great and may help towards becomming an Ubuntu member but still is not related to Ubuntu membership.
[16:57] <vibhav> IdleOne: Ah, Got it
[16:57] <IdleOne> great session everybody and thank you
[16:58] <IdleOne> see you at 17:00 oakland time
[17:06] <NMinker> I hear a  Windows user
[17:07] <Ursinha> NMinker, that was an accident :P
[17:07] <Ursinha> (not me, btw)
[17:18] <arosales> Here are our thoughts on documenting the spec in the release notes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/982040/
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