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[17:08] <achiang> has this session started yet?
[17:08] <achiang> is that slangasek?
[17:08] <achiang> or perhaps tedg?
[17:08] <achiang> (who should be the session lead, that is)
[17:09] <achiang> ta
[17:09] <popey> he is en route
[17:09]  * achiang had to return to colorado before this session could be scheduled... :-/
[17:10] <achiang> hi steve
[17:11] <achiang> jk: can you move closer to the mike?
[17:11] <achiang> ;)
[17:11] <achiang> ok
[17:11] <xnox> achiang: do you want skype/g+ to speak up?
[17:12] <achiang> xnox: ooh, can we do a g+ hookup?
[17:14] <achiang> sorry, xnox and i are trying to get a g+ started
[17:14] <achiang> jk: what was the question again?
[17:14] <achiang> yes, we have done it inside Canonical's commerical engineering group
[17:14] <achiang> for 1 customer
[17:14] <achiang> it used x86 + grub + a whole pile of bash scripts
[17:14] <xnox> is that something that we can share?
[17:15] <achiang> unfortunately, no
[17:15] <xnox> sounds sustainable.
[17:15] <achiang> we have to ask
[17:15] <achiang> the code was written by a third party for the OEM
[17:15] <achiang> and "all rights reserved"
[17:15] <achiang> but the OEM is generally open source friendly
[17:15] <achiang> so we could ask
[17:15] <achiang> and it is likely they'd say yes
[17:15] <achiang> just no one has done that yet
[17:16] <achiang> exactly -- the x86 implementation used the last good boot flag in grub
[17:16] <achiang> the part that i see trouble for our future is, how do we get the same functionality in arm bootloaders (uboot)
[17:17] <achiang> yes, i think the system plumbing issue is more tractable. the hard question is, what happens if user data is on an overlay fs of some sort
[17:26] <achiang> this is better than buying a telepresence robot
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[17:43] <geofft> achiang: can we talk at some point about your internal solution?
[17:43] <achiang> geofft: sure
[17:43] <geofft> achiang: we do ~the same thing, I'd love to drop our patches / get some of this upstream
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