[16:04] <mpt> Technology is overrated
[16:09] <mpt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#updates-text shows the text that Ubuntu Software Center currently shows for Main+Restricted vs. Universe+Multiverse
[16:09] <mpt> e.g. "Updates provided: by Canonical until June 2027"
[16:09] <mpt> "Updates provided: by the Ubuntu development community"
[16:09] <mpt> etc
[16:10] <mpt> I don't remember exactly
[16:10] <mpt> mvo would know
[16:14] <mpt> I've found it helpful to avoid using "support" in favor of more specific terms, relevant ones here being "updates" and "tech support"
[16:16] <mpt> "Who supports it" = who provides updates for it?
[16:18] <mpt> Is there any current example of multiple vendors (i.e. not just Canonical) offering updates for packages in an Ubuntu archive?
[16:18] <mpt> Or would they have their own archive (with its own field data) for that?
[16:20] <cjwatson> mpt: Several non-Canonical-sponsored flavours (Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, others) have declared intention to provide three- or five-year updates for 12.04
[16:20] <cjwatson> They are nevertheless entirely in the Ubuntu archive
[16:21] <mpt> A flavour is not an organization, though. Would Blue Systems be an upcoming example?
[16:21] <cjwatson> A flavour is not a company; the group behind it is an organisation
[16:22] <cjwatson> In the same sense as "Ubuntu development community" in your link above
[16:22] <cjwatson> I can't speak for Blue Systems but I expect that they might be a company along these lines, though, yes
[16:23] <mpt> I felt very waffly when I specced the "Ubuntu development community" text :-)
[16:26] <mpt> ---
[16:26] <mpt> Maybe this is trivial, but something to answer perhaps: Why do people currently make Main Inclusion Requests, and what would the equivalent be?
[16:27] <xnox> mpt: well, a packageset determines if the package will land into main. So equivalent of MIR would be request to be included in the core-seed for example (or some other relevant package seed)
[16:28] <xnox> People do Main Inclusion Request to guarantee that main is self-contained and has build-dependency closure.
[16:29] <mpt> And this is the list of seeds? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.quantal/files
[16:29] <cjwatson> The MIR process is a cross between bureaucracy and a gateway for security review
[16:29] <mpt> i
[16:30] <mpt> If so, there is apparently a seed called "supported" :-)
[16:30] <cjwatson> Yes, it dates from 4.10
[16:30] <xnox> mpt: there is even a tool "seeded-in-ubuntu" to check what is where.
[16:30] <cjwatson> I wouldn't think too hard about the current exact list of seed names
[16:43] <dweaver> Canonical support list of "tech-support"  is not published as it changes due to customer demand and is often negotiated per customer.
[16:44] <cjwatson> Would it be valuable to have that clearly published per-customer (obviously to that customer only)?
[16:45] <cjwatson> Like a file on a customer's system(s) that would be consulted by Software Center et al to show what they have support for
[16:45] <mpt> That would be nifty
[16:45] <cjwatson> i.e. is that something we need to engineer generalised support for into the system, even if we don't use it straight away
[16:45] <cjwatson> (FWIW I think the proposal I had would cover that, although not the generation of such files)
[16:46] <mpt> I'd previously blue-skyed visualization of that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageMaintainednessPresentation#Future_work
[16:46] <cjwatson> As always I am years behind mpt
[16:47] <mpt> (That was for updates, but the same could work for tech support)
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[16:50] <SpamapS> +1 from me to revisiting the policy on build-deps
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[16:52] <mpt> A field that no program pays attention to will serve only to mislead humans :-)
[16:53] <cjwatson> Exactly
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[16:54] <mpt> Perfect timing mvo ;-)
[16:55] <mpt> mvo, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20294/foundations-q-finish-archive-reorg/
[16:55]  * mvo looks
[16:56] <mpt> mvo, does Update Manager actually show the updates info anywhere? I don't remember
[16:56] <mvo> there is a ubuntu-support-status command
[16:56] <mpt> e.g. "Updates provided by: The Ubuntu developer community" like US
[16:56] <mpt> C
[16:56] <mvo> but iirc its not displayed in the UI
[16:57] <mpt> ok
[16:57] <mvo> hm, I personally would love to have it part of the Packages file instead of a seperate file on changelogs, or alternatively alongside Packages.gz (sorry for coming in so late)
[16:58] <mvo> but we can discuss this on the mailinglist of course
[16:58] <mpt> cjwatson, ^