=== yofel_ is now known as yofel === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-204 to: Track: Foundations | Finish the archive reorg | Url: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20294/foundations-q-finish-archive-reorg/ | Audio: http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/room-204.ogg.m3u [16:04] Technology is overrated [16:09] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#updates-text shows the text that Ubuntu Software Center currently shows for Main+Restricted vs. Universe+Multiverse [16:09] e.g. "Updates provided: by Canonical until June 2027" [16:09] "Updates provided: by the Ubuntu development community" [16:09] etc [16:10] I don't remember exactly [16:10] mvo would know [16:14] I've found it helpful to avoid using "support" in favor of more specific terms, relevant ones here being "updates" and "tech support" [16:16] "Who supports it" = who provides updates for it? [16:18] Is there any current example of multiple vendors (i.e. not just Canonical) offering updates for packages in an Ubuntu archive? [16:18] Or would they have their own archive (with its own field data) for that? [16:20] mpt: Several non-Canonical-sponsored flavours (Kubuntu, Edubuntu, Xubuntu, others) have declared intention to provide three- or five-year updates for 12.04 [16:20] They are nevertheless entirely in the Ubuntu archive [16:21] A flavour is not an organization, though. Would Blue Systems be an upcoming example? [16:21] A flavour is not a company; the group behind it is an organisation [16:22] In the same sense as "Ubuntu development community" in your link above [16:22] I can't speak for Blue Systems but I expect that they might be a company along these lines, though, yes [16:23] I felt very waffly when I specced the "Ubuntu development community" text :-) [16:26] --- [16:26] Maybe this is trivial, but something to answer perhaps: Why do people currently make Main Inclusion Requests, and what would the equivalent be? [16:27] mpt: well, a packageset determines if the package will land into main. So equivalent of MIR would be request to be included in the core-seed for example (or some other relevant package seed) [16:28] People do Main Inclusion Request to guarantee that main is self-contained and has build-dependency closure. [16:29] And this is the list of seeds? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.quantal/files [16:29] The MIR process is a cross between bureaucracy and a gateway for security review [16:29] i [16:30] If so, there is apparently a seed called "supported" :-) [16:30] Yes, it dates from 4.10 [16:30] mpt: there is even a tool "seeded-in-ubuntu" to check what is where. [16:30] I wouldn't think too hard about the current exact list of seed names [16:43] Canonical support list of "tech-support" is not published as it changes due to customer demand and is often negotiated per customer. [16:44] Would it be valuable to have that clearly published per-customer (obviously to that customer only)? [16:45] Like a file on a customer's system(s) that would be consulted by Software Center et al to show what they have support for [16:45] That would be nifty [16:45] i.e. is that something we need to engineer generalised support for into the system, even if we don't use it straight away [16:45] (FWIW I think the proposal I had would cover that, although not the generation of such files) [16:46] I'd previously blue-skyed visualization of that: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackageMaintainednessPresentation#Future_work [16:46] As always I am years behind mpt [16:47] (That was for updates, but the same could work for tech support) [16:49] uds-room-204: 5 minutes left in this session! [16:50] uds-room-204: 4 minutes left in this session! [16:50] +1 from me to revisiting the policy on build-deps [16:51] uds-room-204: 3 minutes left in this session! [16:52] uds-room-204: 2 minutes left in this session! [16:52] A field that no program pays attention to will serve only to mislead humans :-) [16:53] Exactly [16:53] uds-room-204: 1 minute left in this session! [16:54] uds-room-204: This session has ended. [16:54] Perfect timing mvo ;-) === ChanServ changed the topic of #ubuntu-uds-room-204 to: Currently no events are active in this room - http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/room-204/ - http://ubottu.com/uds-logs/%23ubuntu-uds-room-204.log [16:55] mvo, http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-q/meeting/20294/foundations-q-finish-archive-reorg/ [16:55] * mvo looks [16:56] mvo, does Update Manager actually show the updates info anywhere? I don't remember [16:56] there is a ubuntu-support-status command [16:56] e.g. "Updates provided by: The Ubuntu developer community" like US [16:56] C [16:56] but iirc its not displayed in the UI [16:57] ok [16:57] hm, I personally would love to have it part of the Packages file instead of a seperate file on changelogs, or alternatively alongside Packages.gz (sorry for coming in so late) [16:58] but we can discuss this on the mailinglist of course [16:58] cjwatson, ^