[00:19] <dogmatic69> I can crash chromium on purpose, its a real edge case but its repeatable
[00:20] <popey> doing what?
[00:20] <dogmatic69> have Tab A open, switch to Tab B at the exact moment Tab A triggers an "alert('whatever');". No more chromium
[00:21] <dogmatic69> the alert and tab change needs to be within milliseconds of each other, but I have done it twice today
[00:24] <dogmatic69> The cursor gets stuck on some random shape, almost like the 'move something' cursor, then the window greys over, then its gone.
[00:25] <Seeker`> anyone upgraded to BT Infinity 2 yet?
[00:26] <dogmatic69> Seeker`: I am waiting for Sky to send the damn 'change provider' code so I can get it
[00:26] <AlanBell> Seeker`: yes
[00:26] <dogmatic69> popey: figured out how to repeat it easy. Just crashed it twice more.
[00:26]  * Seeker` signed up for his upgrade this evening, should be ale to get 55/19 apparently
[00:26] <AlanBell> well the plusnet equivalent
[00:27] <AlanBell> it didn't affect my download (still 30ish) but quite a bit better upload
[00:27] <Seeker`> ah, fair enough
[00:27] <AlanBell> I probably won't go for it when they start charging extra, I am on a free trial upgrade
[00:27] <Seeker`> I'm getting 38MB/s down atm though
[00:27] <Seeker`> *Mbit
[00:28] <AlanBell> what is your upload?
[00:28] <Seeker`> 8 or 9
[00:28] <AlanBell> ok, I get about 15 up now I think
[00:28] <AlanBell> I am not at home now though
[00:28] <Seeker`> cool. Will see what mine gets bumped up to then when they do the upgrade
[00:28] <Seeker`> doesn't cost anything extra on BT, just got to start the contract period again
[00:29] <AlanBell> ok
[00:29] <erolci> hi all
[00:29] <AlanBell> dunno how plus are going to charge for it, I guess they might decide not to in the end
[00:29] <AlanBell> hi erolci
[00:29] <Seeker`> how much is plusnet FTTC?
[00:31] <AlanBell> http://www.plus.net/fibre-broadband I have the extra package
[00:31] <AlanBell> you need that for a static IP
[00:32] <AlanBell> http://www.plus.net/fibre-broadband/broadband/ that extra one
[00:32] <Seeker`> cool
[00:32] <erolci> I am looking for an application to manage the power settings such as decreasing the cpu performance
[00:33] <Seeker`> cheaper than BT, BT doesn't give static IPS
[00:33] <Seeker`> and the BT HomeHub is absolutely dire
[00:34] <AlanBell> yes, this is basically the BT raw line and an intermediary to help you complain to BT when things go wrong :)
[00:35] <ali1234> nope
[00:35] <ali1234> that's exactly the same as what BT does
[00:35] <ali1234> the business is split into two companies to ensure that neither is ever responsible when something goes wrong
[00:35] <Seeker`> AlanBell: I reckon I've probably got a 50% chance of it just woking
[00:35] <Seeker`> and a 50% chance of being left without net for a month
[00:35] <Seeker`> the interaction bewteen BT and openreach is stupid
[00:37] <AlanBell> ali1234: yes, but with plusnet I have not had the impression that they resent you existing that you get from BT
[00:37] <Azelphur> AlanBell: figured you might be interested, first boot on soreau's i5 rig, all works good :D
[00:37] <AlanBell> yay :)
[00:37] <Seeker`> Azelphur: you managed to not fry and arduino yet?
[00:37] <AlanBell> right, I need to go find food
[00:37] <soreau> Yes, it works. Now installing softwares
[00:37] <Azelphur> Seeker`: course not :D
[00:37] <Seeker`> :D
[00:38] <soreau> Thanks to all that helped in this endeavor
[00:38] <Seeker`> Azelphur: I've moved on from arduinos now :D Starting to look at building my own CPU from 74xx parts
[00:39] <Azelphur> Seeker`: hehe, I'm working on a new less ugly iteration of my linux clock
[00:40] <Seeker`> linux clock?
[00:40] <ali1234> did you ever fix your arduino?
[00:40] <Azelphur> ali1234: nah I kinda gave up on it
[00:41] <Azelphur> Seeker`: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/May/2012-05-11-010040_800x480_scrot.png so far :)
[00:41] <Azelphur> gonna kill the unity bar at some point obviously
[00:41] <ali1234> that better be made with qml
[00:41] <ali1234> or html5
[00:42] <Azelphur> ali1234: qwebview + html/css + python
[00:42] <ali1234> or maaaaybe opengl
[00:42] <ali1234> huh, what an odd combination
[00:42] <ali1234> just use qml
[00:42] <Azelphur> suggest-n-run
[00:43] <Seeker`> Azelphur: thats cool :D
[00:43] <Seeker`> did you see what I ended up doing with my arduino?
[00:43] <Azelphur> nope
[00:44] <Seeker`> http://youtu.be/DEi9Fkp5wjc
[00:44] <Azelphur> youtube won't play it :(
[00:45] <Azelphur> it's trying to do it in html5 and it's not working for some reason
[00:45] <Azelphur> minitube to the rescue
[00:46] <Azelphur> yay lights
[00:46] <Azelphur> haha, the leds show the average color of the tv?
[00:46] <Seeker`> :D
[00:46] <Seeker`> yeah. Most of the work is done ont he PC, but the arduino acts as a nice interface between the PC and the lights
[00:47] <Azelphur> pretty cool :)
[00:47] <Seeker`> thanks
[00:48] <ali1234> a large number of 1and1 vps just fell off the internet
[00:48] <Azelphur> fail
[00:48] <ali1234> looks like they're back
[00:49] <ali1234> well, some of them are back
[00:49] <ali1234> yes, 1and1 is kinda fail
[00:49] <ali1234> but they are cheap
[00:50] <Azelphur> good news people, apparently RMS is fine, no heart attack just a mild thing and he's been released \o/
[01:04] <erolci> how to decrease the cpu usage in ubuntu ?
[01:04] <erolci> I cannot find any solution on the web
[01:04] <directhex> erolci: run fewer CPU-using things
[01:04] <erolci> nothing run :)
[01:05] <erolci> onyl firefox
[01:05] <directhex> if you open a terminal and run "top"?
[01:05] <directhex> might be tracker. i had a tracker miner using all my resources when i upgraded my desktop
[01:11] <erolci> I found a process which is "plugin-containe " uses more than %60 of CPU
[01:11] <erolci> intresting :/
[01:17] <directhex> well, kill that one then
[01:17] <directhex> sounds like a runaway Flash process
[01:18] <directhex> the plugin container is basically a fence to stop an entire browser from crashing when (not if) Flash crashes
[01:18] <directhex> it can go haywire occasionally... and occasionally badly written Flash on a web page can genuinely use 100% of your CPU
[01:18] <directhex> e.g. i remember some banner adverts for Sky TV that could lock up my laptop by overheating it
[01:22] <ali1234> flash ................
[01:22] <ali1234> flash crashes one of my VM if i don't log in once a week and do killall -KILL
[01:38] <emorris> hi, I'm trying to boot off the 12.04 live cd into the rescue mode option, but the keyboard won't respond for the language selection. It works fine in BIOS and the cd boot menu, and I ran the disk check and could hit enter on the dialog at the end ok. Any ideas? Are there any boot options I could try? Thanks
[06:26] <user_> lll
[06:51] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:12] <DJones> Morning
[07:26] <dwatkins> hiya
[08:07] <diplo> Morning all
[08:08] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[08:10] <diplo> How are we this fine morning
[08:11] <MooDoo> TGIF!
[08:11] <diplo> heh
[08:18] <daubers> Morning
[08:37] <JamesTait> Happy Friday, everyone! :D
[08:38] <daubers> New bathroom is being fitted today \o/
[08:43] <diplo> Not doing it yourself ?
[08:46] <dwatkins> I fitted my own kitchen, but decided it was easier and quicker to get someone in to do the bathroom.
[08:46] <miraculous> mmm tiling is a bit of a pain
[08:51] <daubers> diplo: The bathroom suite is being fitted by my uncle who's a plumber
[08:51] <daubers> doing the tiling myself
[08:51] <miraculous> brave!
[08:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> crack - oh dear - run out of tiles...
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> hmm - why is the grout 3mm wide there and 0.5mm wide over there?
[08:52] <diplo> ah nice work daubers
[08:53] <diplo> Could do with people like that myself
[08:53] <diplo> Fitted kitchens in last 3 houses, guessing you have moved into your gaff now then ?
[08:53] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:53] <bigcalm> My workstation won't book past grub, so I'm on my laptop today. How painful
[08:54] <bigcalm> And plugging a monitor into the HDMI port doesn't work other than to mirror the laptop display. Boo
[08:56] <gord> can you not just turn off mirroring?
[08:56] <bigcalm> Nope, doing so throws error messages
[08:57] <bigcalm> Oh, and it only works on one old 4:3 monitor
[08:57] <bigcalm> My 16:9 monitors aren't seen at all
[08:57] <bigcalm> I'm going to get a sore neck from looking down at my laptop all day
[09:00] <DJones> plug a keyboard in and raise the laptop up so you don't need to look down at it?
[09:00]  * bigcalm slumps in his chair
[09:00] <DJones> You'll get a bad back
[09:00] <bigcalm> DJones: this is likely to happen soon :)
[09:02] <moviebun> Morning all. Does Anyone know if remastersys works with Ubuntu 12.04? Used it successfully in 10.04 so I'm hoping it can work in the new LTS.
[09:02] <bigcalm> Humm
[09:03] <bigcalm> Desktop got as far as showing the xubuntu-desktop splash screen
[09:03] <bigcalm> Then nothing again
[09:04] <daubers> diplo: In the process of, lots of work todo before we can move in physically
[09:04] <diplo> I so wish I had that option daubers
[09:05] <diplo> Having 2 kids I have to work around them
[09:05] <diplo> :(
[09:06] <daubers> diplo: We had little choice! The chap who owned the property previously had an interesting take on DIY
[09:06] <bigcalm> Looks like the desktop is frozen (number lock light can't be altered). Should have stuck with 11.10 for a few more months :(
[09:07] <daubers> We've found on bulge in a wall was from where they'd gaffa taped hardboard over a door frame, then papered over it before painting
[09:07] <diplo> heh, I've had lots of stuff like that daubers
[09:07] <diplo> It's great isn't it
[09:07] <daubers> Fantastic really. Plasterer is coming in next week to skim the plasterboard we're putting up in it's place
[09:08] <diplo> I was sorting the front room, debating taking out the gas fire in the front and held on to the brick fire surround and as I touched it, it fell off the wall.
[09:08] <daubers> heh :)
[09:08] <diplo> The guy hadn't fitted it to the wall, just bricked up against it. Worried the hell out of me if the kids had pulled at it, they were new born and 1 1/2 at the time
[09:09] <diplo> So would have killed them probably :/
[09:09] <daubers> Nasty
[09:09] <diplo> Made me go and check the rest of the house after finding that, were quite a few similar things
[09:09] <daubers> We haven't found anything quite that terrible yet....
[09:09] <dwatkins> my dad spent years replacing the stuff the previous owner had fitted shoddily
[09:09] <diplo> Worsed part though...
[09:09] <daubers> The heating was put in badly (pipes too close to floorboards)
[09:09] <diplo> When i took the back boiler out i found a few old CD's down there
[09:10] <daubers> Hah!
[09:10] <diplo> Beastiality discs :(
[09:10] <daubers> ewwwwww
[09:10] <diplo> Ah mine were like that daubers, just stick cloth lagging around them. Worked a treat for mine.
[09:12] <daubers> diplo: some of the floorboards are raised by the pipes....
[09:12] <diplo> jeesh mate, sure you bought the right place :D
[09:13] <daubers> Was an absolute steal!
[09:14] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:14] <daubers> Even with all the work it's still an absolute steal
[09:14] <diplo> Guess you can see why, at least you have the luxury of not having to move in
[09:14] <diplo> My mums new neighbours have just spent the last year doing there place up, moved in with his mum whilst they did it.
[09:14] <diplo> 3/4 month job took a year and a half in the end
[09:14] <diplo> :D
[09:14] <diplo> Stripped the whole house back
[09:15] <diplo> More brobostigon
[09:15] <diplo> Morning*
[09:15] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:17] <daubers> diplo: We're in the position where we can start painting a few rooms over the weekend \o/
[09:18] <daubers> I'll sort the heating pipes when I do the carpets in 12months or so
[09:18] <daubers> all the Cat 6A is in now too \o/
[09:25] <bigcalm> DJones: found a wireless keyboard and just pinched Hayley's laptop riser. This is a little better I must say
[09:26] <DJones> Yay
[09:29] <bigcalm> I just heard my windows server reboot itself
[09:29] <bigcalm> Now it's making rumbling sounds
[09:29] <bigcalm> Don't like this
[09:29] <bigcalm> No idea at all as to why it rebooted
[09:30] <bigcalm> Maybe updates *shrug*
[09:30] <bigcalm> Didn't think servers were meant to do that
[09:31] <DJones> Sounds like you're suffering from a catastrophic hardware failure day#
[09:32] <diplo> bigcalm: I've had a win7 box do that to me recently
[09:32] <bigcalm> diplo: this is windows 2008 server
[09:32] <diplo> Updated and rebooted, I always set to manual update.. but everytime I update it overrides that and sets it to auto
[09:33] <bigcalm> DJones: I don't like computers today
[09:33] <diplo> Only played with 2K8 a couple of years ago, had no need since but can't say I experienced that.
[09:34]  * DJones hopes the day gets better for bigcalm 
[09:34] <bigcalm> Thanks DJones
[09:34] <bigcalm> Yay, skype isn't working again
[09:34] <bigcalm> But that's always been flaky
[09:34] <DJones> bigcalm: Go back to bed, get up tomorrow
[09:34] <bigcalm> Tomorrow is Saturday!
[09:35] <bigcalm> No doubt I'll work then as well any way :)
[09:35] <bigcalm> killall -9 skype
[09:35] <bigcalm> And reload
[09:35] <bigcalm> Seems to be working now
[09:36] <bigcalm> Eep, mic needs to be turned down a little
[09:44] <mattt> bigcalm: don't like my heavy breathing?
[09:49] <bigcalm> o.O
[09:49] <bigcalm> My mic that is. I called echo123 and it sounded as though I was shouting
[09:51] <mattt> :P
[09:53]  * bigcalm tickles mattt 
[09:56] <bigcalm> Is there an image editor/creator installed by default in 12.04?
[09:56] <bigcalm> I don't see the gimp
[09:56] <daubers> skype eats my laptop alive at the moment :(
[09:57]  * daubers needs moar RAM
[10:03] <gord> bigcalm, by default? no
[10:03] <gord> i think eog can do a bit of trivial stuff
[10:08] <bigcalm> Just wanted to check I wasn't going mad :)
[10:08] <bigcalm> Morning davmor2
[10:09] <daubers> diplo: This was the fun find in the walls https://twitter.com/#!/daubers/status/200889972457353216/photo/1
[10:09] <davmor2> morning bigcalm and all
[10:09] <diplo> nice daubers :_
[10:09] <diplo> Some god workmanship their :/
[10:10] <daubers> I thought it was awesome to be fair, no expense spent in fixing it!
[10:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: what did you do to your workstation?
[10:23] <oimon> t-mobile just called me 3 days after i asked for PAC code offering me a £7.50pm deal
[10:23] <oimon> i almost flinched but pressed ahead with cancellation
[10:27] <bigcalm> davmor2: I pressed the on button
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: there's your problem ;)
[10:28] <davmor2> bigcalm: did it power up at all bios screen etc?
[10:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: it gets as far as the xubuntu splash screen
[10:29] <bigcalm> Goes blank and then the system freezes
[10:30] <davmor2> bigcalm: go in via rescue mode and check the syslog see if there is an obvious error showing up
[10:31] <bigcalm> How do I get grub to give me time to chose? Seems to skip that bit
[10:32] <DJones> hold down left shift at boot
[10:32] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:33] <bigcalm> That didn't seem to work
[10:34] <davmor2> bigcalm: you need to hit it past post but before the system start to boot and you need to keep it pressed
[10:35]  * bigcalm tries again
[10:35] <bigcalm> Got it!
[10:36] <bigcalm> Ok, in recovery mode. What am I looking for?
[10:37]  * bigcalm checks file systems for errors
[10:38] <davmor2> bigcalm: have a look at /var/log/syslog and see if there is any resembling ERROR/DANGER will robinson :D  towards the end of the file, you can also check in /var/crash too
[10:38] <bigcalm> Ta
[10:42] <bigcalm> Nothing jumps out at me :(
[10:44] <davmor2> bigcalm: how about /home/bigcalm/.xsession-errors
[10:44] <bigcalm> And now it boots
[10:44] <bigcalm> :(
[10:45] <davmor2> bigcalm: you did the filesystem check though right?
[10:46] <bigcalm> I don't know. Just seemed to wait a while and then reboot
[10:46] <bigcalm> Bit odd
[10:47] <bigcalm> I need to run more tests after work tonight/tomorrow
[10:48] <davmor2> bigcalm: when you login have a look at the .xsession-errors log anyway
[10:48] <bigcalm> Will do
[10:48] <davmor2> morning gord
[10:49] <danhg> hey all, i'm having trouble with google+ hangouts in ubuntu. i'm not sure where to file a bug?
[10:49] <davmor2> danhg: to google
[10:50] <danhg> so it's google's fault?
[10:50] <davmor2> danhg: you do have adobe flash installed right?
[10:50] <danhg> yeah
[10:51] <bigcalm> Hehe. My laptop froze on the dots while trying to shut down. I love computers so much :)
[10:53] <davmor2> danhg: what browser are you using?
[10:58] <gord> hi hi davmor2
[10:58] <davmor2> gord: happy to be home?
[10:58] <DJones> bigcalm: Have you & your computers been caught in the blast of an EM pulse? Broken desktop, windows server shutting down, laptop freezing.......
[10:58] <MooDoo> hi davmor2
[10:58] <davmor2> morning MooDoo
[10:59] <davmor2> DJones: no he'd be more productive if they didn't switch on at all :D
[11:00] <DJones> davmor2: :)
[11:01] <bigcalm> Haha
[11:01] <davmor2> bigcalm: so dude you got your system up and running now?
[11:02] <bigcalm> davmor2: so far
[11:03] <bigcalm> Other than runing a disk check from the recovery menu, nothing else done
[11:08] <bigcalm> Every time I switch on the machine, there is the crash report symbol in the notification area. Following it though doesn't seem to get rid of it for next boot though
[11:09]  * bigcalm sends it one more time for fun
[11:10] <bigcalm> Oh, and one for blueman-applet. Not that I have any bluetooth devices plugged in
[11:13] <bigcalm> Updates require a reboot. Do I dare?
[11:14] <bigcalm> Yeah, nothing better to do with my day. Like work...
[11:15] <dwatkins> depends - what if the machine doesn't come back up again?
[11:16] <bigcalm> davmor2: send me a private message while I'm disconnected from my irssi proxy. I want to see if I get emailed
[11:16] <bigcalm> dwatkins: I'll just use the laptop I guess
[11:16] <bigcalm> *gone*
[11:19]  * bigcalm returns with his system still working :)
[11:19] <bigcalm> And I got emailed, thanks davmor2 :)
[11:19] <davmor2> bigcalm: I thought I'd keep the message polite :)
[11:20] <bigcalm> It was very you
[11:21]  * bigcalm ponders lunch
[11:21] <davmor2> bigcalm: dude you eat lunch you ponder work do get it right
[11:23]  * bigcalm ponders what to eat for lunch
[11:23] <bigcalm> Pedant :P
[11:24]  * davmor2 lowers bigcalm s status to fraggle
[11:25] <bigcalm> I want to watch Fraggle Rock now
[11:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: don't make me knock you down to dozer
[11:26] <bigcalm> I loved the dozers the most
[11:26] <bigcalm> They constructed things, just like I would when I was a kid
[11:27] <DJones> bigcalm: I read that as you loved The Doors the most
[11:27] <bigcalm> Not a huge fan, tis ok I gues
[11:27] <bigcalm> s
[12:39] <oimon> where's a good place to buy cables (e.g. C19 -> commando 16a)
[12:44] <dwatkins> I know a good place in Reading, oimon
[12:44] <dwatkins> not sure they do mail order, though
[12:45] <dwatkins> If you know exactly what you want, perhaps try Radio Spares.
[12:53] <oimon> dwatkins, i found that dell do the cables, might be easier. i thought insight or misco might have stock, or RS, but no
[12:53] <oimon> TIL what RS stands for :P
[12:54] <oimon> argh ctrl-w on wrong window
[12:54] <DJones> Stop talking about him, he's back
[12:54] <oimon> :P
[12:55] <dwatkins> oimon: RS are currently in my bad books, because I made the mistake of ordering my Raspberry Pi through Farnell, and RS have been delivering them earlier, so damn them to hades etc.etc. ;)
[12:57] <DJones> dwatkins: Thats user error though
[12:58] <dwatkins> DJones: perhaps, although I didn't know at the time I might get it faster via RS. I'm only kidding, anyway, mine is due this month.
[12:59] <DJones> No matter who you'd order it from, it'd probably have been the latest delivery anyway
[12:59] <DJones> Sodd's law :)
[13:02] <oimon> i wish people would make their mind up. either today's knowledge is the pinnacle of human achievement, or ancient knowledge may be valid too: "The earliest known Mayan calendar has been found in an ancient house in Guatemala and it offers no hint that the world's end is imminent,"
[13:03] <oimon> while i welcome the excitement over cheap ARM coomputing devices, i've had a linksys nslu2 for years, and i don't see that making the papers
[13:03] <dwatkins> did people actually believe the calendar reaching its limit in a certain number of digits would end the world?
[13:03] <dwatkins> It's like saying that the world will end on 31st December because we've run out of days, utter poppycock.
[13:03] <oimon> dwatkins, i've never read an actual story about the mayan calendar, just that people like to repeat it and make tshirts about it
[13:04] <dwatkins> oimon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar - "Misinterpretation of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is the basis for a popular belief that a cataclysm will take place on December 21, 2012. December 21, 2012 is simply the day that the calendar will go to the next b'ak'tun, at Long Count 13.0.0.0.0."
[13:07] <oimon> so it's just an internet meme basically
[13:08] <dwatkins> indeed, oimon
[13:08] <oimon> i do worry for the rasp pi, since the actual GUI experience is gonna suck a bit...expectations are a bit high
[13:08] <dwatkins> it depends hugely on whether schools will buy them or rather consider buying them, or if it's something kids/parents will buy individually
[13:09] <oimon> i made the mistake of buying the eee 701. think i'll wait till blueberry pi
[13:09] <dwatkins> if it's for schools to teach ICT, there should hopefully be some well prepared images of Debian/Fedora to teach with that don't offer distractions such as a web browser.
[13:09] <oimon> maybe LTSP is ripe for that?
[13:09] <dwatkins> heh, I bought an Eee 701, then I bought an Eee 901, then I saw the Eee 1005HA, it was much more powerful again.
[13:10] <oimon> the 701 had bad screen , cpu and battery though
[13:10] <dwatkins> The 901 wasn't that much better
[13:10] <oimon> i "needed" it for a conference so i got one
[13:10] <dwatkins> My 901 is now my 'server at home, it takes 38 Watts.
[13:11] <oimon> dunno why i bought the 2gb ram either, i never would run more than 1 app at a time
[13:11] <oimon> i have a mac mini from 2006 running debian
[13:11] <oimon> and the aformentioned slug
[13:14] <oimon> the mac doesn't use much power,
[13:14] <oimon> (i inherited it rather than pay money to apple)
[13:22] <oimon> man, the conversations in this office at lunch time are so boring
[13:42] <diplo> Anyone recommend a wiki to run locally to jot stuff down on instead of using a pd
[13:42] <diplo> pad*
[13:48] <gord> diplo, could you not use something like tomboy + sync?
[13:50] <oimon> etherpad or etherpad lite
[13:50] <oimon> or tomboy ,
[13:52] <diplo> yeah, might do etherpad.. tomboy not so good as I'd like the option of others reading it easily or for me to reference it
[13:52] <diplo> No one at all in this useless place documents anything!
[13:52] <diplo> :(
[13:53] <brobostigon> diplo: i personally, use google docs sharing, to share things, with other people.
[13:55] <diplo> yeah I do as well a lot, just thought a wiki or something would be better.
[13:55] <oimon> i love tomboy, especially with tomboy reader on my phone
[13:55] <diplo> Was debating a knowledge base of sorts
[13:55] <oimon> twiki is a v good wiki with authentication etc
[13:56] <diplo> only going to be local network, so not to worried
[13:56] <oimon> beware there's big difference between etherpad and ethrpad lite
[13:56] <diplo> yeah ran them both :)
[13:56] <diplo> just forget them a lot as well
[14:00] <gord> google docs would be good in terms of leaving it to someone else to do maintenence, nothing worse than wiki's for things falling apart
[14:00] <diplo> yeah I have worried about that as well :D
[14:02] <diplo> Will go with GDocs for now, ta for input peeps
[14:03] <diplo> While I've got some of you on the go, going to be setting up Irssi later, anyone got any good sites / example configs etc
[14:03] <diplo> that they can recommend
[14:10] <dwatkins> diplo: http://www.kungfoocode.org/how-to/my-perfect-irssi-setup/ and http://justindow.com/2010/03/26/irssi-screen-and-growl-oh-my/ are quite useful, although I don't use everything they discuss
[14:11] <diplo> I looked at kungfoocode last night, just thought I'd ask recommendations in case I'm following baloney.
[14:11] <diplo> ta fanx
[14:12] <dwatkins> np
[14:15] <dogmatic69> anyone skilled in french?
[14:15] <oimon> pas du tout
[14:15] <dwatkins> qu'est ce que la question, dogmatic69?
[14:15] <DJones> French fries?
[14:16] <dogmatic69> cool, anyone want to translate for me? two sentences. Google translate is not working to well today
[14:16] <diplo> Skilled = strong but proficient maybe, seems guys above are though
[14:16] <diplo> :)
[14:16] <oimon> rusty but have a good accent
[14:16] <dogmatic69> hehe
[14:17] <oimon> due to hanging around with frenchies for a couple of years
[14:17] <dogmatic69> http://codepad.org/QBgeq0r7
[14:20] <diplo> Seems to translate ok to me, I wouldn't say it's 100%
[14:20] <oimon> e.g. the second sentence says "for quality, it's nickel. after that, i am not sure which guys make customised/certain stickers"
[14:20] <diplo> But from what I read in french is what it's close to translated
[14:20] <dwatkins> the word 'nickel' means 'perfect', it's slang
[14:21] <oimon> ah
[14:21] <DJones> Maybe somebody has translated it from Chinese to French using google translate to start with
[14:21] <dogmatic69> oimon: ye, what is 'for quality, it's nickel'
[14:21] <dogmatic69> dwatkins: awesome.
[14:22] <oimon> TIL it means "a job done perfectly"
[14:22] <oimon> i've heard that in films actually
[14:22] <dogmatic69> that is pretty cool, considering they are discussing my sideline business :D
[14:23] <oimon> You can even say nickel-chrome ! which means Super
[14:23] <dwatkins> hmm, not entirely sure about the last sentence, that's all... http://hastebin.com/jefomuxeju.vbs
[14:23] <dwatkins> That's the best I can do, hope it helps, dogmatic69
[14:24] <dogmatic69> thanks dwatkins
[14:24] <dwatkins> oops, remove the word 'a' from the last sentence, then it makes more sense.
[14:24] <oimon> yes, that makes more sense
[14:24] <dwatkins> de rien
[14:24] <oimon> that the guy, not which guy (my mistake)
[14:24]  * dogmatic69 changes the topic to #ubuntu-fr
[14:24] <dogmatic69> :P
[14:25] <dwatkins> good luck getting anything translated to English there ;)
[14:26] <oimon> btw http://stackthatmoney.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/coding.jpg
[14:26] <oimon> that's how it's done
[14:27] <dogmatic69> lmao
[14:27] <dogmatic69> that is very true...
[14:28]  * daubers tries to escape the office
[14:28] <oimon> just took dleivery of a new bladecenter
[14:29] <dogmatic69> oimon: nice, which one?
[14:31] <oimon> IBM..not so ince really
[14:32] <oimon> i didn't choose it. it was chosen by committee, hence the one nobody wanted
[14:32] <gord> there was impressive server kit at uds, couldn't figure out how to fit it in my suit case or how to steal it without getting fired though :(
[14:32] <diplo> that the arm one gord?
[14:33] <gord> yeah
[14:33] <diplo> Get to have a tinker, or just for display ?
[14:33] <gord> it had about eight billion cores i think, i think it was eight billion, eight or nine
[14:33] <diplo> 48 nodes * 4 I think
[14:34] <dwatkins> oimon: I'm curious, did you consider SGI clusters, or are they too expensive?
[14:34] <dwatkins> <-- used to work for SGI
[14:50] <mrevel> .nick mrevell
[14:50] <mrevel> doh
[15:10] <dwatkins> slash dot dash dot
[15:19] <directhex> moo
[15:20] <brobostigon> meep
[15:22] <MooDoo> mooo
[16:08] <davmor2> mrevell: how's UDS for you
[16:20] <bigcalm> Keeping him busy, is my guess
[17:25] <Azelphur> can anyone explain ATI eyefinity/displayport madness to me
[17:26] <Azelphur> with regards to putting piles of monitors on one card
[17:34] <gord> i realised i have the same bag and laptop as popey now, i did not take my opportunity to perform "the switch" :(
[17:35] <Azelphur> haha
[17:36] <popey> hah
[17:36] <popey> i am using my hippy bag today
[17:39] <davmor2> popey:  then you need this to complete the air of hippiness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmYi5u9BhtI
[17:48] <directhex> Azelphur: it's their branding for multi-monitor
[17:48] <Azelphur> directhex: yea
[17:48] <Azelphur> I'm just finding so much conflicting info on how many monitors I can get on a card lol
[17:48] <directhex> six.
[17:48] <directhex> on one card on the market
[17:48] <directhex> more generally, it depends on the card
[17:49] <Azelphur> I'm toying between 6990 and 7970
[17:49] <directhex> then not six.
[17:49] <Azelphur> how many? XD
[17:52] <directhex> 3 i think, on cards that don't say "eyefinity 6" on them
[17:53] <mattt> OHAI
[17:54] <directhex> maybe 4
[17:54] <directhex> needs to be displayport everywhere though
[17:54] <directhex> unless you use "active" displayport to dvi adapters, which cost a hundred quid each
[17:55] <Azelphur> my friend knows how to get them cheap :)
[17:55] <Azelphur> although I'd probably have to buy new monitors anyway, my current ones don't wall mount
[17:56] <directhex> active adapters are not the cheap ones you get in the box
[17:56] <directhex> compare http://www.scan.co.uk/products/startech-mdp2dvis-mini-displayport-to-dvi-active-adapter to http://www.scan.co.uk/products/dell-bizlink-active-displayport-to-dvi-(dual-link)-adapter-1080p-ready
[17:58]  * Azelphur finds out what my friend has \o/
[17:58] <Azelphur> I'm sure he only paid £20 or so
[17:58] <Azelphur> http://www.ebuyer.com/245731-xfx-active-mini-display-port-to-dvi-dongle-ma-ap01-nd1k
[17:58] <Azelphur> there you go
[17:59] <directhex> lolxfx
[17:59] <directhex> got a fire extinguisher?
[17:59] <Azelphur> :)
[17:59] <Azelphur> haha
[18:00] <Azelphur> so yea, the answer for all of them seems to be, 6.
[18:01] <directhex> yep. except there isn't physically that many connectors on a normal card
[18:01] <Azelphur> yea you have to get hubs
[18:01] <directhex> and the blurb is "up to 6, depending on manufacturer implementation"
[18:01] <directhex> good luck
[18:01] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:02] <Azelphur> will check with the manufacturer for sure before I buy, just toying with ideas atm
[18:14] <dogmatic69> installed wine, now fonts are screwed up in terminal
[18:15] <soreau> it might not have anything to do with wine
[18:15] <soreau> sounds like font corruption, a bug in your graphics driver
[18:16] <soreau> possibly minimizing/restoring the terminal will fix it temporarily
[18:18] <bigcalm> Does running "reset" help?
[18:53] <andrewebdev> where can I find the log to see what app is trying to access my keyring all the time?
[19:02] <zleap> hi tombrough
[20:21] <mattt> HAAAI
[21:27] <jacobw> evening Seeker`
[22:03] <dogmatic69> any chance of getting little counter things on the unity bar icons?
[22:03] <dogmatic69> would be nice to have [5] etc on the evolution icon for example
[22:04] <Azelphur> is it possible to have two people connected to a screen at the same time?
[22:05] <dogmatic69> something like http://i.imgur.com/iYgRh.jpg
[22:14] <popey> Azelphur: yes
[22:14] <popey> screen -x
[22:14] <Azelphur> cool :)
[22:15] <popey> dogmatic69: yes, we have that on thunderbird already
[22:16] <dogmatic69> popey: quickly fork evolution and fix
[22:16] <popey> hah
[22:17] <dogmatic69> popey: is the api in unity for this an just need to wait for apps to implement?
[22:17] <popey> yup
[22:17] <dogmatic69> cool
[22:18] <popey> or write one yourself
[22:19] <dogmatic69> how would I do that?
[22:19] <dogmatic69> if it cant be done with #!/bin/php it prob wont work :D
[22:19] <mattt> ew
[22:20] <popey> actually maybe not
[22:20] <popey> i dunno, ask gord when he wakes ☺
[22:22] <ali1234> putting the numbers on the icons is really easy
[22:22] <ali1234> you don't even need to do it from the application
[22:22] <ali1234> any app can put stuff on any icon
[22:22] <ali1234> which reminds me
[22:22] <popey> heh, neat
[22:22] <ali1234> is the software centre gonna get permission controls now that it's starting to get loads of proprietary software in it?
[22:23] <ali1234> i mean like android style
[22:23] <ali1234> "this app needs to access your contacts, allow?"
[22:24] <ali1234> cos at the moment... they can do anything
[22:24] <popey> thats an interesting suggestion
[22:24] <ali1234> that's an interesting response
[22:24] <popey> it is?
[22:25] <ali1234> um... yeah, cos it makes me think nobody suggested it before
[22:25] <popey> they may have
[22:25] <popey> i dont work on USC
[22:25] <ali1234> i would have thought people would be screaming for it tbh
[22:25] <ali1234> it was one of the big questions with maemo
[22:25] <popey> "people"
[22:26] <popey> devs ?
[22:26] <ali1234> yeah you know, app developers
[22:26] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter
[22:26] <popey> is the main page where features / suggestions are tracked
[22:27] <ali1234> it's the kind of thing that should already be on the roadmap
[22:27] <ali1234> if you don't have a plan to get it done by say... 13.04... then... i see big problems in the future
[22:28] <ali1234> yeah i can't see any mention of it at all on that page
[22:29] <ali1234> also i think you;re going to have to start marking those "free" to play games more clearly if you don't want to end up like apple
[22:29] <ali1234> though at least you're not doing in app billing (yet)
[22:30] <ali1234> i assume that will happen at some point though, otherwise what's the point of building an ecosystem?
[22:30] <dogmatic69> ali1234: permissions would be good
[22:31] <ali1234> actually how does that stuff work? i've never bought anything from the music store. do you get a canonical account that all the billing goes through?
[22:31] <ali1234> er, ubuntu one account
[22:31] <ali1234> or do you have to sign up seperately to the music store provider and they bill you?
[22:32] <ali1234> can i make a cheesy game that buys 1000 copies of my record in the background?
[22:33] <hamitron> better to make a good game, so there is time to buy 10,000
[22:33] <hamitron> ;)
[22:36] <ali1234> if i could make a good game i'd just charge for it
[22:37] <hamitron> hehe, true
[22:37] <hamitron> :)
[22:37] <ali1234> actually i'd charge for smurfberries since people seem to love that
[22:38] <popey> you just use your u1 account for buying stuff from the music store
[22:38] <popey> not a separate account
[22:38] <ali1234> ok, and that's saved in your account, that every app you install has access to?
[22:40] <popey> is it?
[22:40] <ali1234> i dunno
[22:40] <ali1234> i've never tried it
[22:41] <ali1234> seems like various apps can upload files to ubuntu one without asking for a password
[22:41] <ali1234> so i assume they can also buy stuff without asking for a password
[22:41] <popey> i wouldn't assume that
[22:41] <ali1234> i've seen nothing to indicate otherwise
[22:42] <ali1234> so therefore i have to assume the worst for my own safety
[22:42] <ali1234> i bet the smurfberry kid's parents assumed that it couldn't happen too
[22:43] <popey> well I have bought stuff from the music store
[22:44] <ali1234> do you have to put your card details in each time? if not, who stores them?
[22:44] <popey> cant remember
[22:45] <popey> i cant use it here right now
[22:46] <ali1234> because you're ... in america?
[22:46] <popey> no, not signed in
[22:46] <ali1234> oh
[22:47]  * popey signs in and tries again
[22:47] <ali1234> well, the point is, the users are never going to ask for this stuff
[22:48] <ali1234> but if it isn't provided, there will be problems... and they will be bad
[22:48] <popey> it has my card details saved
[22:48] <ali1234> even if you have to sign in, i can jut make my game sign in and say it is going to share some replay with your buddies or something
[22:49] <popey> you can speculate that you can do that
[22:49] <ali1234> yes
[23:02] <Seeker`> jacobw: hi
[23:25] <dogmatic69> oh man, new gimp... If you open a .jpg you can not ctrl+s
[23:25] <dogmatic69> you *have* to export it
[23:25] <dogmatic69> sucked when I first saw this with new files, with existing files it is even more painful
[23:47] <Azelphur> what is ^M? o.O
[23:47] <dogmatic69> ctrl+M
[23:48] <Azelphur> I know that lol
[23:48] <Azelphur> I mean what character is it
[23:55] <ali1234> man ascii
[23:56] <ali1234> it's either /n or /r but i can't remember which
[23:57] <ali1234> or possibly some combination of the two
[23:57] <ali1234> you see it in text editors when using dos/unix line endings on the wrong platform
[23:59] <Azelphur> fun
[23:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, I figured it out, valve using windows line endings on linux as usual
[23:59]  * Azelphur sighs
[23:59] <ali1234> well who wants to write two file parsers?
[23:59] <ali1234> not me
[23:59] <Azelphur> I know right
[23:59] <Azelphur> xD