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rick_h_http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/exclusive-a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-facebook-release-engineering/00:00
rick_h_hate on facebook, but bittorrent based deploy is badass00:01
snap-lshakes808: It's just a regular X120e with some stickers on it00:19
shakes808But your Win key is a Ubuntu key... and that would mean that MS didn't get their share00:19
shakes808or is that the sticker that you mention00:19
snap-lrick_h_: Facebook is definitely one of the leaders in being creative with deployments00:20
snap-lshakes808: That's a sticker pack00:20
shakes808gotcha00:20
snap-lour supply got decimated at the release party00:21
snap-lbut I'll try to get some more before Ohio Linuxfest00:21
shakes808sweet00:22
shakes808:D00:22
shakes808If I am looking for a new laptop, is the thinkpad's that good? I see that most of you have them00:22
greg-gshakes808: thinkpad or bust01:52
jrwrenmac book air or something that sucks01:54
shakes808I just got done making a laptop and Holy Hell. Base was 800 and ended up 162402:03
shakes808lol02:03
shakes808T series02:05
rick_h_phew, riding at night is a bit more interesting02:11
rick_h_and dammit, lost my 3rd back light flashy thingy02:11
rick_h_greg-g: how do you get those things to stay on? Tempted to weld one next time02:11
greg-grick_h_: some of them are annoying. which style do you have? other than zip-ties the next bet is black electrical tape :)02:14
greg-gbrb02:15
rick_h_I have these clip ons and last time I zip tied after it was clipped on, no idea how I lost it tonight02:16
=== JonEdney is now known as Jon|AFK
snap-lhttp://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=133670520784803:50
snap-lIf you think Linux audio is a bitch, just thank your lucky stars it doesn't require a papal-ring kiss to make it work.03:51
shakes808Good morning all11:21
rick_h_party11:24
rick_h_TGIF11:24
shakes808http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNRsDqnUjXE11:25
shakes808http://shirt.woot.com11:30
shakes808^^^^^^^  Is funny11:30
brouschsnap-l: i got another box filled with hundreds of  CDs in the mail yesterday11:53
brouschthanks11:53
snap-lbrousch: You're welcome. :)11:56
brouschi think i got rid of a dozen from the last box11:56
snap-lGOing to be a little more slow in distributing these, but if anyone wants them, LMK11:56
snap-lbrousch: I got rid of all of them.11:57
snap-lPenguicon free table.11:57
brouschnice11:57
brouschfree table. good idea. we'll do that at barcampgr11:59
brouschtedx was pretty good12:08
brouschrick_h_: http://3rdaverad.io/shows/django-podcast/episodes/episode-1/13:51
rick_h_ruh roh...13:55
rick_h_brousch: yay, Django has bcypt :P14:04
rick_h_sorry, having a hard time listening to these guys, background hum, first guy is kind of annoying :/14:04
brouschi haven't listened yet. no spilers!14:04
rick_h_hah!14:04
rick_h_nvm, I said nothing14:04
brouschbad sound quality can be a bummer14:05
rick_h_it's not bad, but ugh14:05
jrwrenit does?14:21
jrwrenoh you are making fun.14:21
rick_h_jrwren: what does?14:21
jrwrendjango has bcrypt.14:21
jrwreni was like, wtf ?14:22
jrwrenbut now I see, you are making fun.14:22
rick_h_1.4 added support for it if you choose to install/get it14:22
rick_h_so they *finally* got it was the joke14:22
rick_h_been sha-1 I think forever14:22
rick_h_https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/auth/#using-bcrypt-with-django14:24
snap-lrick_h_: Next you'll see then start using sqlalchemy and yui14:38
rick_h_:P14:38
snap-lAnd real MVC14:38
snap-lUnicorns will frolick in the forest14:38
* snap-l reminds himself that it's probably a bad idea to taunt rick_h_ while he's in the middle of Django coding14:39
rick_h_not yet, come monday, today I'm killing thousands of lines of doctests with my flaming sword14:39
snap-lIt's like dousing yourself in sports drinks over the pits of hell.14:39
snap-leventually someone will get lucky and grab your ankle.14:40
snap-land there will be hell to pay.14:40
snap-l(no pun intended)14:40
brouschbah, humbug14:46
brouschrick_h_ is a puppy dog14:56
snap-lCerberus14:56
rick_h_woof14:57
jrwrenreal mvc is bullshit.15:07
jrwrendjango is real mvc, they just named things wrong. view function is controller. template is view. DONE15:08
shakes808snap-l: are you having problems with pidgin under the work XMPP?15:46
snap-lYeah, they're rebooting the VM that the IM server is on15:47
shakes808Oh, ok. lol. All of a sudden I didn't see my list of employees.15:47
shakes808Is that affecting our email as well? Are they on the same server?15:47
snap-lNot AFAIK15:48
shakes808I am going to send you an email and send it back when you recieve it. I have been waiting on a response and haven't received it. It has been a while15:49
snap-lMy hope isn't that they hosted all of the infra on the same box15:49
=== Jon|AFK is now known as JonEdney
shakes808This AM flew by, why is the PM going sooooo slooooow?17:08
jrwrenplease don't reply to the [discussion] java email. :)17:38
rick_h_hah17:39
rick_h_now I have to go look17:39
greg-gI must no longer be on discussion18:03
brouschgreg-g: i don't see it either18:03
jrwrenmight have been a mug email18:08
rick_h_yea, mug discuss, I don't get it though. Nothing bad in there I guess18:09
shakes808jrwren: didn't get any java email. I got a job opening for Linux Engineer.18:17
jrwrensorry, it was the discuss mug.org email list, which a few people here are on.18:22
shakes808I believe I signed up for both of them.18:22
shakes808yeah, discuss and announcements18:22
shakes808lol I want my wrongfully sent email lol ;)18:24
shakes808speaking of the MUG stuff, has anyone figured out how MUG is going to steal my dues so I can officially become one of you lol18:25
jrwreni'm not a mug person, i just lurk on the email list18:29
snap-lWhat's wrong with the mail to the discuss ist?18:31
devinheitmuellershakes808: just show up at a meeting and give them $35?18:32
shakes808devinheitmueller: Alright, sounds good18:37
shakes808Have a good day and weekend all.18:46
jrwrensnap-l: oracle java is evil and left out of ubuntu for good reason :)19:16
jrwrenif you want to run java, go run solaris19:17
jrwrenon sparc!19:17
greg-gzing!19:17
* greg-g has fond memories of late night hacking sessions in the pizza box computer lab at UMN19:17
brouschi used to love those machines because while the macintoshes and PCs were full, the Sun machines were unoccupied19:18
greg-gall we had in the UMN CS computer labs were solaris machines while I was there, just sparc 5 vs 10 vs something19:19
greg-goh, we may have had an NT lab somewhere, but it was small and never used19:20
jrwrenwas garbage ever since linux was good enough to run netscape, which was around 1994 :)19:20
greg-gjrwren: :P19:20
brouschhm http://investors.geek.net/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=67262920:12
brousch"maximize shareholder value" is always an ominous phrase20:14
rick_h_I can't get past the "media" ...what media. I don't see music, video, etc20:14
rick_h_hmm, looks a lot like a "Now auctioning...place your bids...place your bids"20:15
greg-grick_h_: yep, selling shit off20:15
snap-lThe angels have left the building20:15
greg-gunrelatedly, Rogue's Juniper Pale Ale is a nice lunch addition on such a beautiful work from home day20:16
brouschalcohol at lunch?20:16
snap-lIn other words, they're shedding off the money-losers, and concentrating on thinkgeek20:17
greg-gbrousch: yes indeedy20:17
brouschdo you smoke a bowl for breakfast too?20:17
brouschwhat is this world coming to?!20:17
snap-lbrousch: Silly, that's uncivilized20:17
snap-lNobody smokes a bowl before breakfast20:17
greg-gyou'd just eat away the high20:18
snap-lthey just hop onto the BART, which is powered by buring marajuana and good intentions20:18
greg-glol20:18
snap-lit's the only bus where you don't mind that it vents inside the cabin20:18
greg-g"Hey, could you step on it a little more? We're coming down back here!"20:18
snap-lIt's "bio-deisel"20:19
greg-gI KNEW it!20:20
greg-gthat's why all those hippy cars (old diesel mercedes) are so wanted around here20:20
snap-lIt's like a water-bong on wheels20:21
snap-lblub blub blub bluub lub20:21
greg-gsnap-l: are you sure you never lived in SF?20:22
snap-lIt's not just compost piles they're putting in those tanks20:22
snap-lgreg-g: Everything I learned about SF I learned from jwz and southpark20:22
greg-ghaha20:23
snap-lANd the only way I think we'd ever go to SF on purpose is during Folsom20:23
snap-lbecause for some reason JoDee wants to see it at some point20:24
jrwren /. is a great example of not keeping up with the times.20:24
snap-ljrwren: I beg to differ20:25
jrwrenyou would20:25
jrwrendidn't you work for them?20:25
snap-lYep20:25
snap-l /. is a good example of what happens when you try to monetize something that is hard to monetize.20:25
jrwrenoh yeah, so hard to monitize.20:25
jrwrenyes somehow EVERY site like that does a great job.20:26
snap-ljrwren: I was also a fan of /. before I worked there.20:26
snap-lName two20:26
jrwreni was a fan of /. when htey didn't suck.20:26
jrwrenreddit and digg20:26
snap-lreddit is a link participation circlejerk20:26
jrwrenexactly the same as /.20:26
snap-land digg is a link participation circlejerk with more jerking20:26
jrwrenexactly the same as /.20:27
snap-lbullshit20:27
jrwrencould you be too close?20:27
snap-l /. stories have to have some content in them outside of "Hey reddit, I just found this in my pants, what is it?"20:27
greg-gsnap-l: Folsom? Really? Leather is JoDee's thing?20:27
snap-lgreg-g: I think she just wants to see the spectacle of it all20:27
greg-goh boy is it a spectacle :)20:28
snap-lgreg-g: Yup20:28
greg-gsnap-l: there is a sub-reddit for that, it's called "gonewild"20:28
* snap-l has seen photos20:28
snap-lThe internet is the great puddle of that which cannot be unseen20:29
jrwrenso she likes to go to City Club too?20:29
snap-lThat and men's locker rooms at a gym20:29
snap-ljrwren: She hates clubs.20:29
jrwrenbut Folsom is ok?20:30
jrwrenhow is the difference?20:31
greg-gjrwren: you been to folsom?20:31
jrwrennope20:31
greg-gthe one time I was here when it was happening my parents were in town, we didn't go :)20:31
greg-gmaybe this summer with the boy, he'll be 7 months, that's plenty old enough for that20:31
snap-ljrwren: I have NFC.20:31
jrwrenI can't imagine it is much different from a detroit Noir Leather show20:31
greg-gjrwren: is that one mostly gay men20:32
greg-g?20:32
jrwrenI'd not say mostly.20:32
jrwrenbut definitely higher than normal proportions20:32
greg-gmy view on folsom may be scewed by who my friends are here, but I saw a big Bear contingency there based on the photos I saw20:33
jrwrensounds about right20:34
* greg-g nods20:35
brouschbears in leather?20:42
brouschdo they ride unicycles?20:42
greg-gbrousch: some do. With or without bike seats.20:43
* brousch is scared to look up bears in leather now20:44
jrwrenthink BJ and the Bear and not Pooh20:44
brouscha trucker and a monkey?20:45
greg-gbj and the bear is a new one to me20:47
brouschhttps://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/17#issuecomment-565467423:52
brouschsome good comments23:52
rick_h_phew, lawn is done...23:54
rick_h_brousch: yea, I've not tried the native pull request thing so haven't compared23:54
rick_h_end of the day, each project picks their standards23:54
brouschi would cry if torvalds called me a moron23:57
rick_h_I'd take it as a compliment23:57
rick_h_he at least read it23:57
rick_h_besides, smart people disagree all the time23:57
rick_h_what gets me is the fanboi's on both sides with 0 accomplishments to their name taking sides and ranting on the creator of Git/Linux and the creators of the freaking github23:58
rick_h_you should need 10k github points to chime in, where each point is a follower on your repos23:58
rick_h_then I'd care about the commenter23:58

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