[00:00] <rick_h_> http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/exclusive-a-behind-the-scenes-look-at-facebook-release-engineering/
[00:01] <rick_h_> hate on facebook, but bittorrent based deploy is badass
[00:19] <snap-l> shakes808: It's just a regular X120e with some stickers on it
[00:19] <shakes808> But your Win key is a Ubuntu key... and that would mean that MS didn't get their share
[00:19] <shakes808> or is that the sticker that you mention
[00:20] <snap-l> rick_h_: Facebook is definitely one of the leaders in being creative with deployments
[00:20] <snap-l> shakes808: That's a sticker pack
[00:20] <shakes808> gotcha
[00:21] <snap-l> our supply got decimated at the release party
[00:21] <snap-l> but I'll try to get some more before Ohio Linuxfest
[00:22] <shakes808> sweet
[00:22] <shakes808> :D
[00:22] <shakes808> If I am looking for a new laptop, is the thinkpad's that good? I see that most of you have them
[01:52] <greg-g> shakes808: thinkpad or bust
[01:54] <jrwren> mac book air or something that sucks
[02:03] <shakes808> I just got done making a laptop and Holy Hell. Base was 800 and ended up 1624
[02:03] <shakes808> lol
[02:05] <shakes808> T series
[02:11] <rick_h_> phew, riding at night is a bit more interesting
[02:11] <rick_h_> and dammit, lost my 3rd back light flashy thingy
[02:11] <rick_h_> greg-g: how do you get those things to stay on? Tempted to weld one next time
[02:14] <greg-g> rick_h_: some of them are annoying. which style do you have? other than zip-ties the next bet is black electrical tape :)
[02:15] <greg-g> brb
[02:16] <rick_h_> I have these clip ons and last time I zip tied after it was clipped on, no idea how I lost it tonight
[03:50] <snap-l> http://www.analogindustries.com/blog/entry.php?blogid=1336705207848
[03:51] <snap-l> If you think Linux audio is a bitch, just thank your lucky stars it doesn't require a papal-ring kiss to make it work.
[11:21] <shakes808> Good morning all
[11:24] <rick_h_> party
[11:24] <rick_h_> TGIF
[11:25] <shakes808> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNRsDqnUjXE
[11:30] <shakes808> http://shirt.woot.com
[11:30] <shakes808> ^^^^^^^  Is funny
[11:53] <brousch> snap-l: i got another box filled with hundreds of  CDs in the mail yesterday
[11:53] <brousch> thanks
[11:56] <snap-l> brousch: You're welcome. :)
[11:56] <brousch> i think i got rid of a dozen from the last box
[11:56] <snap-l> GOing to be a little more slow in distributing these, but if anyone wants them, LMK
[11:57] <snap-l> brousch: I got rid of all of them.
[11:57] <snap-l> Penguicon free table.
[11:57] <brousch> nice
[11:59] <brousch> free table. good idea. we'll do that at barcampgr
[12:08] <brousch> tedx was pretty good
[13:51] <brousch> rick_h_: http://3rdaverad.io/shows/django-podcast/episodes/episode-1/
[13:55] <rick_h_> ruh roh...
[14:04] <rick_h_> brousch: yay, Django has bcypt :P
[14:04] <rick_h_> sorry, having a hard time listening to these guys, background hum, first guy is kind of annoying :/
[14:04] <brousch> i haven't listened yet. no spilers!
[14:04] <rick_h_> hah!
[14:04] <rick_h_> nvm, I said nothing
[14:05] <brousch> bad sound quality can be a bummer
[14:05] <rick_h_> it's not bad, but ugh
[14:21] <jrwren> it does?
[14:21] <jrwren> oh you are making fun.
[14:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: what does?
[14:21] <jrwren> django has bcrypt.
[14:22] <jrwren> i was like, wtf ?
[14:22] <jrwren> but now I see, you are making fun.
[14:22] <rick_h_> 1.4 added support for it if you choose to install/get it
[14:22] <rick_h_> so they *finally* got it was the joke
[14:22] <rick_h_> been sha-1 I think forever
[14:24] <rick_h_> https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/auth/#using-bcrypt-with-django
[14:38] <snap-l> rick_h_: Next you'll see then start using sqlalchemy and yui
[14:38] <rick_h_> :P
[14:38] <snap-l> And real MVC
[14:38] <snap-l> Unicorns will frolick in the forest
[14:39]  * snap-l reminds himself that it's probably a bad idea to taunt rick_h_ while he's in the middle of Django coding
[14:39] <rick_h_> not yet, come monday, today I'm killing thousands of lines of doctests with my flaming sword
[14:39] <snap-l> It's like dousing yourself in sports drinks over the pits of hell.
[14:40] <snap-l> eventually someone will get lucky and grab your ankle.
[14:40] <snap-l> and there will be hell to pay.
[14:40] <snap-l> (no pun intended)
[14:46] <brousch> bah, humbug
[14:56] <brousch> rick_h_ is a puppy dog
[14:56] <snap-l> Cerberus
[14:57] <rick_h_> woof
[15:07] <jrwren> real mvc is bullshit.
[15:08] <jrwren> django is real mvc, they just named things wrong. view function is controller. template is view. DONE
[15:46] <shakes808> snap-l: are you having problems with pidgin under the work XMPP?
[15:47] <snap-l> Yeah, they're rebooting the VM that the IM server is on
[15:47] <shakes808> Oh, ok. lol. All of a sudden I didn't see my list of employees.
[15:47] <shakes808> Is that affecting our email as well? Are they on the same server?
[15:48] <snap-l> Not AFAIK
[15:49] <shakes808> I am going to send you an email and send it back when you recieve it. I have been waiting on a response and haven't received it. It has been a while
[15:49] <snap-l> My hope isn't that they hosted all of the infra on the same box
[17:08] <shakes808> This AM flew by, why is the PM going sooooo slooooow?
[17:38] <jrwren> please don't reply to the [discussion] java email. :)
[17:39] <rick_h_> hah
[17:39] <rick_h_> now I have to go look
[18:03] <greg-g> I must no longer be on discussion
[18:03] <brousch> greg-g: i don't see it either
[18:08] <jrwren> might have been a mug email
[18:09] <rick_h_> yea, mug discuss, I don't get it though. Nothing bad in there I guess
[18:17] <shakes808> jrwren: didn't get any java email. I got a job opening for Linux Engineer.
[18:22] <jrwren> sorry, it was the discuss mug.org email list, which a few people here are on.
[18:22] <shakes808> I believe I signed up for both of them.
[18:22] <shakes808> yeah, discuss and announcements
[18:24] <shakes808> lol I want my wrongfully sent email lol ;)
[18:25] <shakes808> speaking of the MUG stuff, has anyone figured out how MUG is going to steal my dues so I can officially become one of you lol
[18:29] <jrwren> i'm not a mug person, i just lurk on the email list
[18:31] <snap-l> What's wrong with the mail to the discuss ist?
[18:32] <devinheitmueller> shakes808: just show up at a meeting and give them $35?
[18:37] <shakes808> devinheitmueller: Alright, sounds good
[18:46] <shakes808> Have a good day and weekend all.
[19:16] <jrwren> snap-l: oracle java is evil and left out of ubuntu for good reason :)
[19:17] <jrwren> if you want to run java, go run solaris
[19:17] <jrwren> on sparc!
[19:17] <greg-g> zing!
[19:17]  * greg-g has fond memories of late night hacking sessions in the pizza box computer lab at UMN
[19:18] <brousch> i used to love those machines because while the macintoshes and PCs were full, the Sun machines were unoccupied
[19:19] <greg-g> all we had in the UMN CS computer labs were solaris machines while I was there, just sparc 5 vs 10 vs something
[19:20] <greg-g> oh, we may have had an NT lab somewhere, but it was small and never used
[19:20] <jrwren> was garbage ever since linux was good enough to run netscape, which was around 1994 :)
[19:20] <greg-g> jrwren: :P
[20:12] <brousch> hm http://investors.geek.net/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=672629
[20:14] <brousch> "maximize shareholder value" is always an ominous phrase
[20:14] <rick_h_> I can't get past the "media" ...what media. I don't see music, video, etc
[20:15] <rick_h_> hmm, looks a lot like a "Now auctioning...place your bids...place your bids"
[20:15] <greg-g> rick_h_: yep, selling shit off
[20:15] <snap-l> The angels have left the building
[20:16] <greg-g> unrelatedly, Rogue's Juniper Pale Ale is a nice lunch addition on such a beautiful work from home day
[20:16] <brousch> alcohol at lunch?
[20:17] <snap-l> In other words, they're shedding off the money-losers, and concentrating on thinkgeek
[20:17] <greg-g> brousch: yes indeedy
[20:17] <brousch> do you smoke a bowl for breakfast too?
[20:17] <brousch> what is this world coming to?!
[20:17] <snap-l> brousch: Silly, that's uncivilized
[20:17] <snap-l> Nobody smokes a bowl before breakfast
[20:18] <greg-g> you'd just eat away the high
[20:18] <snap-l> they just hop onto the BART, which is powered by buring marajuana and good intentions
[20:18] <greg-g> lol
[20:18] <snap-l> it's the only bus where you don't mind that it vents inside the cabin
[20:18] <greg-g> "Hey, could you step on it a little more? We're coming down back here!"
[20:19] <snap-l> It's "bio-deisel"
[20:20] <greg-g> I KNEW it!
[20:20] <greg-g> that's why all those hippy cars (old diesel mercedes) are so wanted around here
[20:21] <snap-l> It's like a water-bong on wheels
[20:21] <snap-l> blub blub blub bluub lub
[20:22] <greg-g> snap-l: are you sure you never lived in SF?
[20:22] <snap-l> It's not just compost piles they're putting in those tanks
[20:22] <snap-l> greg-g: Everything I learned about SF I learned from jwz and southpark
[20:23] <greg-g> haha
[20:23] <snap-l> ANd the only way I think we'd ever go to SF on purpose is during Folsom
[20:24] <snap-l> because for some reason JoDee wants to see it at some point
[20:24] <jrwren>  /. is a great example of not keeping up with the times.
[20:25] <snap-l> jrwren: I beg to differ
[20:25] <jrwren> you would
[20:25] <jrwren> didn't you work for them?
[20:25] <snap-l> Yep
[20:25] <snap-l>  /. is a good example of what happens when you try to monetize something that is hard to monetize.
[20:25] <jrwren> oh yeah, so hard to monitize.
[20:26] <jrwren> yes somehow EVERY site like that does a great job.
[20:26] <snap-l> jrwren: I was also a fan of /. before I worked there.
[20:26] <snap-l> Name two
[20:26] <jrwren> i was a fan of /. when htey didn't suck.
[20:26] <jrwren> reddit and digg
[20:26] <snap-l> reddit is a link participation circlejerk
[20:26] <jrwren> exactly the same as /.
[20:26] <snap-l> and digg is a link participation circlejerk with more jerking
[20:27] <jrwren> exactly the same as /.
[20:27] <snap-l> bullshit
[20:27] <jrwren> could you be too close?
[20:27] <snap-l>  /. stories have to have some content in them outside of "Hey reddit, I just found this in my pants, what is it?"
[20:27] <greg-g> snap-l: Folsom? Really? Leather is JoDee's thing?
[20:27] <snap-l> greg-g: I think she just wants to see the spectacle of it all
[20:28] <greg-g> oh boy is it a spectacle :)
[20:28] <snap-l> greg-g: Yup
[20:28] <greg-g> snap-l: there is a sub-reddit for that, it's called "gonewild"
[20:28]  * snap-l has seen photos
[20:29] <snap-l> The internet is the great puddle of that which cannot be unseen
[20:29] <jrwren> so she likes to go to City Club too?
[20:29] <snap-l> That and men's locker rooms at a gym
[20:29] <snap-l> jrwren: She hates clubs.
[20:30] <jrwren> but Folsom is ok?
[20:31] <jrwren> how is the difference?
[20:31] <greg-g> jrwren: you been to folsom?
[20:31] <jrwren> nope
[20:31] <greg-g> the one time I was here when it was happening my parents were in town, we didn't go :)
[20:31] <greg-g> maybe this summer with the boy, he'll be 7 months, that's plenty old enough for that
[20:31] <snap-l> jrwren: I have NFC.
[20:31] <jrwren> I can't imagine it is much different from a detroit Noir Leather show
[20:32] <greg-g> jrwren: is that one mostly gay men
[20:32] <greg-g> ?
[20:32] <jrwren> I'd not say mostly.
[20:32] <jrwren> but definitely higher than normal proportions
[20:33] <greg-g> my view on folsom may be scewed by who my friends are here, but I saw a big Bear contingency there based on the photos I saw
[20:34] <jrwren> sounds about right
[20:35]  * greg-g nods
[20:42] <brousch> bears in leather?
[20:42] <brousch> do they ride unicycles?
[20:43] <greg-g> brousch: some do. With or without bike seats.
[20:44]  * brousch is scared to look up bears in leather now
[20:44] <jrwren> think BJ and the Bear and not Pooh
[20:45] <brousch> a trucker and a monkey?
[20:47] <greg-g> bj and the bear is a new one to me
[23:52] <brousch> https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/17#issuecomment-5654674
[23:52] <brousch> some good comments
[23:54] <rick_h_> phew, lawn is done...
[23:54] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, I've not tried the native pull request thing so haven't compared
[23:54] <rick_h_> end of the day, each project picks their standards
[23:57] <brousch> i would cry if torvalds called me a moron
[23:57] <rick_h_> I'd take it as a compliment
[23:57] <rick_h_> he at least read it
[23:57] <rick_h_> besides, smart people disagree all the time
[23:58] <rick_h_> what gets me is the fanboi's on both sides with 0 accomplishments to their name taking sides and ranting on the creator of Git/Linux and the creators of the freaking github
[23:58] <rick_h_> you should need 10k github points to chime in, where each point is a follower on your repos
[23:58] <rick_h_> then I'd care about the commenter