[07:01] <superfly> goeie môre almal
[07:37] <inetpro> heh superfly
[07:37] <inetpro> goeiemore
[07:56] <charlvn> hi inetpro 
[07:57] <inetpro> good morning charlvn 
[07:58] <charlvn> running some fat ldap queries
[08:01] <charlvn> i _so_ want this tshirt: http://i.imgur.com/zQbyS.png
[11:34] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[11:36] <Kilos> hi there charlvn 
[11:37] <Kilos> hi superfly and others as well also too
[11:38] <Kerbero> i _so_ want this tshirt: http://www.google-store.com/google/WebContents/ProductDetails.aspx?request=seGeV5D2r0Q=
[11:39] <superfly> hi Kilos
[11:53] <psnel> hey, anyone talking?
[11:53] <Kilos> hi psnel 
[11:53] <psnel> need help with usb iburst. worked, then stopped. modeswitch?
[11:53] <psnel> hi Kilos
[11:53] <Kilos> try plugin it into another usb port
[11:54] <Kilos> if it worked then it most likely just forgot something
[11:54] <psnel> I did.. also rebooted, replugged. tried different ports.
[11:54] <psnel> It shows no signal
[11:55] <Kilos> maybe the local tower is down
[11:55] <psnel> it did before. I switched networking/ wifi off at one time so it uses the iburst instead of that.
[11:56] <psnel> maybe. but it seems strange that it stopped working. yesterday. still no signal
[11:56] <Kilos> eish
[11:56] <psnel> it also happened over a month ago when i manually built the drivers.
[11:56] <Kilos> have you followed the iburst mails on our lists?
[11:57] <psnel> this one from PPA. Automatically patches driver, builds and installs - it's in DKMS so it updates automatically when kernel changes
[11:57] <psnel> yes... I wrote half of them :-)
[11:57] <Kilos> ah
[11:57] <psnel> might the modem be in an inconsistent state?
[11:57] <Kilos> ?
[11:58] <charlvn> so it's friday... time for some star wors? http://i.imgur.com/pubCi.jpg
[11:58] <psnel> mode-switched? or something. not sure hoe to check or how or to what to switch
[11:58] <Kilos> i use voda broadband
[11:58] <charlvn> http://i.imgur.com/aoHJe.png
[11:58] <Kilos> try sudo apt-get install usb-modeswitch --reinstall
[11:59] <psnel> yea i Know. you got it easy.
[11:59] <psnel> ok. one mo
[12:00] <Kilos> i hope i got that command right
[12:00] <Kilos> thats why i prefer aptitude
[12:01] <psnel> yes it's right
[12:01] <psnel> done... replugged...
[12:01] <psnel> same
[12:01] <psnel> iburst light is green...
[12:02] <psnel> wtf?
[12:02] <psnel> (sorry)
[12:02] <Kilos> do you use the network manager to connect?
[12:02] <psnel> no
[12:02] <psnel> pon del-provider
[12:02] <psnel> (RP-PPPOE plugin already part of it)
[12:02] <psnel> stock standard pppoe
[12:03] <psnel> it worked yesterday. i was able to browse the web
[12:03] <Kilos> then just hang on here a while, guys are busy but im sure someone will have ideas
[12:03] <psnel> cool. thanks
[12:03] <Kilos> im not very clued up
[12:05] <charlvn> i used to have a hauwei 3g dongle and had a similar problem with vodacom
[12:05] <charlvn> but it got fixed with an upgrade of ubuntu eventually
[12:07] <charlvn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/105545
[12:07] <charlvn> then later https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/868034
[12:07] <psnel> yeah. most mobile wireless devices can be easily setup with Network Manager
[12:07] <psnel> except iburst.
[12:08] <charlvn> wel.... heh heh in principle
[12:08] <charlvn> it doesn't work always ;)
[12:08] <charlvn> if i had to go back to using 3g i would simply get this : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiFi
[12:08] <psnel> I even write a java app to monitor signal strength, and show connection, and everything
[12:08] <charlvn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Iburst
[12:09] <charlvn> nice!
[12:09] <Kilos> is your modem manager all up to date
[12:09] <psnel> I just updated that wiki
[12:10] <charlvn> psnel++
[12:10] <psnel> I think iburst is cheaper than the 3g carriers
[12:11] <Kilos> if it works ya
[12:12] <charlvn> hahahaha! http://iburst.co.za/neuvo.aspx?link=get_packages_adsl
[12:12] <charlvn> "uncapped" with a fair use policy of 1gb per day
[12:12] <charlvn> who are these guys kidding
[12:13] <psnel> haha
[12:13] <charlvn> if you ask me, their prepaid rates are quite expensive: http://iburst.co.za/neuvo.aspx?link=get_packages_prepaid
[12:13] <psnel> guys who are told that they should get "uncapped", it's the new "new"
[12:14] <psnel> i got mine with a netbook special
[12:14] <psnel> downgraded later
[12:14] <psnel> unused bw carries over for a month
[12:17] <charlvn> i don't care what they call it, as long as it's not false advertising
[12:17] <charlvn> if you sell a 1gb per-day cap then don't call it uncapped
[12:17] <charlvn> end of story
[12:17] <psnel> true
[12:17] <psnel> I get 10240.00 MB midnight-to morning
[12:18] <charlvn> 10GB in 6 or so hours isn't too bad
[12:19] <charlvn> over a month you can get down 300GB
[12:19] <psnel> what package?
[12:20] <psnel> i'm on pro10+ 10 gb i think for R173 + modem subsidy @ R103
[12:21] <charlvn> i don't know, you said it :)
[12:21] <psnel> oh
[12:21] <psnel> not 10gb every day. per month
[12:21] <charlvn> you should know which package you're on :P
[12:21] <charlvn> what?! you're kidding me
[12:21] <psnel> it's only for mobile
[12:22] <charlvn> yeah mobile is always restrictive
[12:22] <psnel> i use adsl @ home
[12:22] <charlvn> ah ok
[12:22] <psnel> 20gb p/m (+1gb free per gig bought = +20gb; +1gb free) = 41Gb p/m
[12:23] <psnel> With auto-topup @ R29/gig
[12:23] <charlvn> not too bad, for mobile
[12:24] <psnel> I don't torrent much hollywood these days since I got the cease-and-desist notice (twice)
[12:24] <psnel> no that's adsl
[12:24] <psnel> ISP: Afrihost
[12:24] <charlvn> ouch, no in that case very expensive
[12:25] <psnel> 4mbps - sometimes I get 17-20 mbps ??? duno what that's about, but I'm not complaining
[12:25] <psnel> DL a whole series in like 10 mins
[12:25] <psnel> :-))
[12:25] <charlvn> brb coffee
[12:28] <charlvn> yeah i don't do much BT these days unless when it's legal (eg creative commons licensed) stuff
[12:29] <psnel> yea me too
[12:29] <charlvn> most of what hollywood is producing is commercial crap in any case
[12:29] <psnel> hollywood's mostly garbage anyway.
[12:29] <charlvn> there are a few exceptions to that rule but those i would want to see on the big screen in any case
[12:29] <charlvn> yeah exactly
[12:29] <psnel> brb phone
[12:29] <charlvn> animeplus.tv and animeultima.tv has much more for my interests
[12:31] <psnel>  plus what hollywood is trying to do to the internet ticks me off
[12:31] <psnel> MPAA & RIAA
[12:31] <charlvn> they can take their commercial crap and shuv it where it belongs :P
[12:32] <psnel> I watch a lot of science, debate, docu's
[12:32] <psnel> politics, activism
[12:33] <psnel> stuff that doesn't feed me the junk food of the common lowest denominator -- they actually screen movies etc to see if it's too "smart", meaning they'll lose viewers, so they dumb it down
[12:35] <psnel> damn, tho only other guy who had ideas about fixing my problem just left
[12:40] <psnel> Does anyone know a channel where people may be knowledgeable on how to get the iburst to work - it worked yesterday
[12:41] <charlvn> you could try #glug.za
[12:41] <psnel> tx
[12:41] <charlvn> or perhaps # and #clug on irc.atrum.org
[13:09] <inetpro> psnel: what does this mean? 24Hrs Booster Price
[13:10]  * inetpro should perhaps try iBurst again
[13:14] <psnel> not sure what that means
[13:16]  * inetpro wonders how can I test my iBurst signal at home without spending to much
[13:22] <charlvn> if you phone them up they should be able to provide you with more info or come out to your premises and take a reading?
[13:22] <inetpro> charlvn: good idea, thanks
[13:23] <inetpro> if it works it could be much cheaper than my 8ta connection
[13:24] <inetpro> sadly ADSL is still not an option for me
[13:24] <charlvn> inetpro: are there any WUGs in your area?
[13:25] <charlvn> if you have a friend or somebody you trust that is connected to the wug, perhaps they can give you a vpn into their adsl connection
[13:25] <inetpro> charlvn: to far away, I tried that option some time ago
[13:25] <charlvn> ah i see
[13:25] <charlvn> we got some very good mileage using the right antennas and equipment using 802.11g in the garden route
[13:26] <charlvn> but the trick is you need to have a flat area with a high site
[13:26] <charlvn> if you live somewhere with no high regions or too many mountains it gets difficult
[13:27] <inetpro> hmm...
[13:27] <inetpro> perhaps I should look at this option again
[13:29] <charlvn> you just need the right equipment, you can get ridiculous distance
[13:30] <charlvn> sorry make the above 802.11n not 802.11g
[13:30] <charlvn> on 5.2 GHz
[13:30] <charlvn> because the 2.4 GHz range was too cluttered in george
[13:31] <psnel> you get mobile boosters too. not sure about iburst
[13:36] <inetpro> charlvn: but how would I get onto the internet via the WUG? Those guys are very adamant in their refusal to allow internet on the WUG network
[13:45] <charlvn> inetpro: it's irrelevant what they think about it, they don't know what the traffic is that's passing on the wan if it's encrypted
[13:45] <charlvn> just use openvpn or the likes
[13:45] <charlvn> connect to an openvpn server at your friend's house and then exit the wan using his/her internet connection
[13:47] <inetpro> charlvn: but I don't have a friend on the WUG, at least not that I know of
[13:48] <charlvn> ok then you have a problem :)
[14:23] <Jabberwocky> good to see some WUG talk, good old days
[14:33] <charlvn> ok i'm off, bbl
[17:41] <nuvimob> aloha
[17:48] <nuvimob> lo magespawn
[17:48] <magespawn> Howdy everyone
[17:48] <nuvimob> sup?
[17:49] <magespawn> Not much and you?
[17:50] <nuvimob> chilling. waiting for xfce 4.10 download and install to complete
[17:51] <magespawn> Not enjoying unity?
[17:53] <inetpro> good evening
[17:53] <magespawn> Howdy inetpro
[17:54] <inetpro> magespawn: sup?
[17:54] <inetpro> hmm... I see not much :-)
[17:55] <magespawn> Not much, boys night with fish 1 watching Farscape
[17:55] <inetpro> farscape?
[17:56] <magespawn> Sci fi program bit like startrek
[17:57] <inetpro> ah
[17:57] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farscape
[17:58] <Tonberry> star trek on drugs
[18:00] <magespawn> Startrek from Oz, but it is kid friendly in most places, so its okay for the fish to watch.
[18:00] <inetpro> Guten Abend Kilos
[18:00] <Kilos> hi superfly inetpro psydroid and others
[18:01] <Kilos> net my geluk om jou hier te vang
[18:01] <superfly> hi everyone
[18:01] <Kilos> hoe kan ons met kubuntu hierdie hele site aflaai asb.
[18:01] <magespawn> Hi Kilos, superfly
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: watse site?
[18:02] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[18:02] <Kilos> http://ftp.nluug.nl/os/Linux/distr/tinycorelinux/tce/
[18:02] <Kilos> patience is a virtue
[18:02] <Kilos> ek moes soek man
[18:02] <inetpro> Kilos: wat is dit?
[18:03] <Kilos> al die pakkete vir tinycore linux
[18:03] <inetpro> eish!
[18:03] <Kilos> ian kan dit vir my kry
[18:03] <Kilos> wat eish?
[18:03] <inetpro> vir wat wil jy so moeilik raak, is daar nie 'n ISO nie?
[18:04] <Kilos> ja hy het die iso
[18:04] <Kilos> hierdie is al die ander goed soos gimp xchat en so aan
[18:04] <superfly> Kilos: why do you want TinyCore?
[18:04] <Kilos> die hele iso is net 66m
[18:05] <superfly> Kilos: yes, but that's because it's not a user-friendly version of Linux
[18:05] <superfly> they remove almost *everything*
[18:05] <superfly> and then you have to sukkel to get stuff installed.
[18:05] <Kilos> as a fall back when i have got data to upgrade new ubuntu's superfly 
[18:05] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:05] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[18:05] <superfly> Kilos: there's no point, you're going to sukkel more than anything else
[18:05] <psydroid> hi superfly
[18:06] <inetpro> Kilos: I agree with superfly
[18:06] <psydroid> hi inetpro
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: you're chasing after something that you don't actually need
[18:06] <superfly> hi psydroid
[18:06] <magespawn> Hey psydroid
[18:06] <inetpro> psydroid: hiho
[18:06] <superfly> Kilos: just because the ISO is 66m doesn't mean it will work for you
[18:06] <psydroid> hi magespawn
[18:06] <superfly> in fact, that's a good indication that it *won't* work for you
[18:07] <Kilos> i have the basic iso of 11m and it doesnt look too bad superfly 
[18:07] <Kilos> i also have the how to file
[18:08] <inetpro> Kilos: but all those files on that site will amount to a massive lot of data
[18:08] <Kilos> only prob with the 11m iso is it needs other files to be able to install to hdd
[18:08] <Kilos> he has uncapped inetpro 
[18:09] <inetpro> linux is linux, and those files probably make up for the rest of linux
[18:09] <inetpro> ubuntu just makes it so much easier
[18:09] <inetpro> or debian
[18:10] <Kilos> i will still keep ubuntu going but its better to stay online all the time than use all that data updating
[18:10] <inetpro> if he has uncapped why not get the full ubuntu repo?
[18:10] <Kilos> im already 200m behind with 11.04
[18:10] <magespawn> How big is the ubuntu repo?
[18:11] <Kilos> 40g
[18:11] <magespawn> That would take awhile to get
[18:11] <Kilos> yeah
[18:11] <inetpro> easier if you know a friend
[18:12] <inetpro> and cheaper
[18:12] <Kilos> anyway is there a way to download that whole site with one command or not
[18:12] <magespawn> Wget?
[18:13] <inetpro> Kilos: yes, but do you know how much it is?
[18:13] <inetpro> wget
[18:13] <Kilos> i thought of that but what do you need to add to the link
[18:13] <Kilos> how does one see how big it is
[18:13] <Kilos> he says there is like 150 packages
[18:14] <inetpro> you ask the guys who host the site
[18:14] <Kilos> whew
[18:14] <nuvolari> o/ hi oom Kilos 
[18:14] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[18:15] <nuvolari> and inetpro, psydroid, superfly 
[18:15] <inetpro> nuvolari: wb
[18:15] <Kilos> you chased him
[18:15] <superfly> nuvolari: grrr, you messed up my screencast
[18:16] <inetpro> superfly: hmm... are you taking pictures of me?
[18:16] <nuvolari> eh? what do you mean?
[18:17] <nuvolari> magespawn: Unity lasted only as long as it took me to install Gnome3
[18:17] <Kilos> lol\
[18:17] <magespawn> Hah
[18:17]  * inetpro hides behind the wall
[18:18] <Kilos> haha
[18:19] <magespawn> Superfly what are you talking about?
[18:19]  * nuvolari thumb-tumbles
[18:19] <nuvolari> I didn't do anything
[18:21] <Kilos> did psnel win with his iburst goodie?
[18:23] <inetpro> Kilos: for Tiny Core support go to #tinycorelinux
[18:23] <Kilos> ty inetpro i will try them but you know only this site is really friendly
[18:26] <inetpro> Kilos: tbh I don't think you want Tiny Core
[18:27] <inetpro> way to minimalistic
[18:32] <superfly> Kilos: then why bother with TinyCore? we don't know TinyCore, we know Ubuntu
[18:33] <Kilos> yeah superfly . my prob is them updates. i am going 2 months on less than the first ubuntu update
[18:34] <superfly> Kilos: it's not going to be any different on TinyCore
[18:34] <superfly> Kilos: TinyCore is also going to have updates
[18:34] <Kilos> ok
[18:35] <superfly> Kilos: Just because TinyCore has a small ISO doesn't mean it's not going to require updating
[18:36] <Kilos> yeah but i was thinking if it is like 66m for the iso updates cant be big
[18:37] <superfly> Kilos: No, they are unrelated, I told you
[18:38] <Kilos> i dont understand the unrelated bit superfly 
 Kilos, We do not advocate downloading complete repos.\
[18:42] <Kilos> oh well
[18:44] <superfly> Kilos: The GIMP is no longer part of Ubuntu, you have to download that separately. So every time you get an update, you have to download all of the GIMP again.
[18:45] <superfly> Kilos: The GIMP is not part of TinyCore, you have to download that separately. Every time you get an update, you have to download all of the GIMP again.
[18:45] <Kilos> oh i see ty superfly 
[18:46] <Kilos> yeah gimp and xchat are in those packages
[18:46] <Kilos> i dont update this gimp anyway the one i have works kiff
[19:03] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[19:03] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[19:04] <magespawn> all sorts of wierdness happening tonight
[19:07] <Kilos> our nets get kinda sick at times
[19:14] <magespawn> yup and xchat on the phone would not connect
[19:15] <Kilos> eish
[19:15] <Kilos> hi hamslaai 
[19:19] <Kilos> toods
[19:19] <Kilos> he didnt last long
[19:24] <Langjan> hi hamslaai
[19:24] <hamslaai> langjan: hi i am hamslaai
[19:26] <hamslaai> langjan: hi
[19:26] <Langjan> I have posted some outcomes to the HP site, shall we wait to see what they come up with? 
[19:26] <hamslaai> langjan: did u read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[19:27] <Kilos> hi Langjan 
[19:27] <Langjan> Hi Kilos, hamslaai yes, the steps did not help, so I posted the suggested outcome via terminal  
[19:27] <hamslaai> they mention: " Delete any entries for this printer in System->Administration->Printers."
[19:28] <hamslaai> did u try: "sudo hp-setup"
[19:28] <Langjan> Right, I did that then ran setup as they suggest, did not find printer 
[19:29] <hamslaai> ok- does the printer have an info panel - to print or display it's network setting ?
[19:30] <hamslaai> in other words - what is it's ip address on the network ?
[19:30] <Langjan> I found that a few days ago, saved it in a doc which I can find
[19:31] <hamslaai> ok - lets try to ping it from your computer first
[19:31] <hamslaai> open a terminal and type " ping 192.168.1.2" for example
[19:33] <hamslaai> can you post the network settings ?
[19:34] <Langjan> I ran ifconfig, then got many settings, is inet addr the rigth one?
[19:34] <hamslaai> nope - you need to go the printer and find out it's network settings
[19:35] <hamslaai> can you send me the make and model so that i can google it
[19:35] <Langjan> HP Officejet 6313
[19:35] <hamslaai> ok stand by
[19:35] <Langjan> thanks
[19:36] <Langjan> are you well kilos?
[19:36] <Kilos> yes ty Langjan and you
[19:36] <Kilos> hamslaai, welcome to ubuntu-za
[19:37] <Langjan> grateful thanks, many blessings, waiting for one more when I can print on 12.04 
[19:37] <hamslaai> kilos: thx
[19:37] <hamslaai> langjan: found it: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/manualCategory?cc=us&lc=en&dlc=en&document=&product=1119599
[19:37]  * inetpro enjoys seeing guys helping each other on this channel
[19:37] <hamslaai> busy downloading - will read it quickly
[19:37] <Langjan> thnks
[19:38] <hamslaai> hmmm nice system by the way
[19:39] <Langjan> its been a pleasure but have had connection problems with ubuntu, none as serious as now
[19:40] <hamslaai> ok - no real info for ubuntu in the setup guide
[19:40] <Langjan> fax is us, lightning strike, but the rest is fine
[19:40] <hamslaai> gonna try the user guide
[19:41] <hamslaai> big file gonna take a while - please stand by
[19:41]  * Kilos could enjoy a ham salad
[19:42] <Langjan> thanks hamslaai
[19:42] <hamslaai> first password on campus that i cracked ;-))
[19:42] <Kilos> lol
[19:43] <Kilos> hamslaai, Langjan monthly ubuntu meeting on the 21st at 19.30
[19:43] <Kilos> come visit us
[19:43] <Langjan> let me in on the joke, slow on the uptake pushing 70
[19:43] <Kilos> the first password he cracked was hamslaai
[19:43] <Kilos> ham salad
[19:44] <Langjan> lmga
[19:44] <Kilos> peeps use funny passwords
[19:45] <Kilos> or kids names or animals they like
[19:45] <Langjan> peeps?
[19:45] <Kilos> people
[19:45] <Langjan> lmga
[19:45] <hamslaai> ok-non page 14 of the user guide - press the "Setup" button on the printer - then the arrow to scroll the the topics
[19:46] <hamslaai> stop at the ethernet or networking topic and take note of the settings
[19:46] <hamslaai> let us know
[19:47] <Langjan> trying
[19:47] <hamslaai> ok - standing by
[19:47] <Langjan> printing
[19:47] <hamslaai> good
[19:48] <hamslaai> is should have some ip address like 10.10.0.1 or 192.168.1.1
[19:48] <Langjan> ip 10.0.0.3
[19:49] <hamslaai> aah - thx
[19:49] <hamslaai> now what ip address does your computer have ?
[19:50] <Langjan> 10.0.0.3
[19:50] <hamslaai> click on the networking icon with ubuntu 12.04 and then click on "Connection Informnation"
[19:50] <hamslaai> let us know
[19:50] <Langjan> did that, 10.0.0.3
[19:51] <hamslaai> ok - the printer ip = 10.0.03 and your computer ?
[19:51] <Langjan> same
[19:52] <hamslaai> dude thers your problem - they must be different !
[19:52] <Langjan> oh my!
[19:53] <hamslaai> do you use fixed ip's for any reason on any devices ?
[19:53] <Langjan> not that I am aware of
[19:53] <hamslaai> make sure all your devices use DHCP for network configuration
[19:54] <hamslaai> they will get a unique ip address from the router and everything will work
[19:54] <Langjan> how do I do that?
[19:55] <Langjan> devices meaning the computer and the printer? 
[19:55] <hamslaai> yes - all of them connected to the router
[19:56] <Langjan> sounds easy, but where do I start?
[19:56] <hamslaai> not sure how to reset printer
[19:57] <hamslaai> i will send a screenshot of ubuntu network settings via email - standby
[19:59] <Kilos> good luck guys
[19:59] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:59] <Langjan> thanks kilos
[19:59] <Langjan> lekker slaap
[19:59] <Kilos> dankie\
[20:02] <hamslaai> langjan: email sent
[20:06] <Langjan> ok, ipv4 is (was) right, I have changed the other machine to DHCP and the ip adress there is 10.0.0.1
[20:06] <Langjan> looks like my printer ip should be 10.0.0.1?
[20:07] <hamslaai> ok - now open a terminal and type "ping 10.0.0.1"
[20:08] <hamslaai> does your computer have ip address 10.0.03 still ?
[20:09] <Langjan> yes. Terminal pinging
[20:09] <hamslaai> what kind of router do you have ?
[20:09] <Langjan> Telkom Mega 100WR
[20:09] <hamslaai> ok 
[20:10] <hamslaai> so you can ping the printer from your computer now - correct ?
[20:10] <Langjan> 64 bytes from 10.0.0.1: icmp_req=84 ttl=64 time=0.150 ms
[20:11] <hamslaai> and from 10.0.0.3 ?
[20:11] <Langjan> But From 10.0.0.3 icmp_seq=180 Destination Host Unreachable
[20:12] <hamslaai> so no reply from the printer - correct ?
[20:12] <Langjan> I assume so...
[20:13] <hamslaai> ok - check the printer cable connections - is it connected to the router ? is the light active on the router where it is plugged in ?
[20:16] <hamslaai> i assume your computer connection is good because you are chatting on the net - so i assume a printer network setup problem
[20:16] <Langjan> Yes, I have checked connections, light is on at E2, E3, DSL and Internet, faint on E1
[20:17] <hamslaai> i suspect e1 - is that one used for the printer ?
[20:17] <Langjan> Yes E1 is printer
[20:18] <hamslaai> ok - unplug on both sides - the printer and router - then reconnect
[20:19] <Langjan> ok
[20:19] <hamslaai> then check printer info to see what the ip address is on the printer
[20:19] <Langjan> new printout?
[20:19] <hamslaai> yup
[20:20] <hamslaai> sorry
[20:20] <hamslaai> is e1 shing brightly on the router now ?
[20:20] <Langjan> IP still 10.0.0.3 on printer
[20:21] <Langjan> E1 is still a bit faint
[20:21] <hamslaai> ok - is e1 is a steady bright light try to ping the printer from your computer again
[20:22] <hamslaai> ok - pull out the usb cable that came with the printer and connect your computer to the printer via usb
[20:23] <hamslaai>  may have a bad e1 port or bad network cable
[20:24] <Langjan> 10.0.0.1 ok, 10.0.0.3 unreachable
[20:24] <hamslaai> time to try usb
[20:24] <hamslaai> ok - connect via usb for now
[20:25] <Langjan> will have to get the cable, stand by plse
[20:25] <hamslaai> ok
[20:27] <Langjan> usb connected
[20:28] <hamslaai> u can also print via bluetooth - buy a bluetooth dongle - about R100
[20:28] <hamslaai> ok - any pop-ups ?
[20:29] <Langjan> No but ping 10.0.0.3 success!
[20:30] <hamslaai> ok - try "sudo hp-setup" in a terminal again
[20:30] <Langjan> ok
[20:31] <Langjan> no devices found
[20:32] <Langjan> did you say that printer and computer ip's should be different?
[20:32] <hamslaai> strange - disconnect printer net work cable aand then reboot printer
[20:32] <hamslaai> yes
[20:33] <Langjan> ok
[20:33] <hamslaai> some of these old telkom routers have given me problems
[20:34] <hamslaai> ask telkom if you can upgrade
[20:34] <Langjan> they are both still 10.0.0.3 are they not?
[20:34] <Langjan> Telkom is a problem, will try but perhaps have to buy a new one
[20:35] <hamslaai> is the printer disconnected from the router now ?
[20:35] <Langjan> I disconnected, rebooted and reconnected, did I jump the gun? 
[20:35] <hamslaai> are you connected via usb now ?
[20:35] <Langjan> yes
[20:36] <hamslaai> ok - remove any printer settings on your computer
[20:36] <hamslaai> see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HpAllInOne
[20:37] <hamslaai> try "sudo hp-check -r" as well
[20:39] <hamslaai> take note: networked scanner will not work via usb connection only.
[20:39] <Langjan> error: User needs to be member of group 'lp' to enable print, scan & fax.
[20:39] <Langjan> error: User needs to be member of group 'lpadmin' to manage printers.
[20:39] <hamslaai> you should only be connected via usb now
[20:40] <hamslaai> aah - something happening
[20:40] <hamslaai> ok - now type" adduser whatever lp"
[20:41] <hamslaai> whatever is your username
[20:41] <Langjan> Printer connection is disconnected but ethernet cable needs to remain for Internet
[20:41] <hamslaai> and "adduser whatever lpadmin"
[20:41] <hamslaai> yes - keep your computer connected
[20:44] <Langjan> lp users added
[20:46] <hamslaai> and lpadmin "?
[20:46] <Langjan> done
[20:46] <hamslaai> ok - try the setup again
[20:48] <Langjan> no devices found on usb
[20:49] <hamslaai> can you send me the output of "lsusb"
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 093a:2471 Pixart Imaging, Inc. SoC PC-Camera
[20:49] <Langjan> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046e:52c5 Behavior Tech. Computer Corp. 
[20:50] <hamslaai> ok
[20:50] <hamslaai> is the usb cable from the printer connected to the computer ?
[20:51] <Langjan> yes
[20:51] <hamslaai> and is the printer switched on ?
[20:51] <Langjan> yes
[20:51] <hamslaai> ok
[20:51] <Langjan> let me try another usb port?
[20:51] <hamslaai> let me check something quickly
[20:52] <hamslaai> try this: http://www.ubuntu.sun.ac.za/wiki/index.php/Tips#Device_identification
[20:53] <hamslaai> then reboot your computer
[20:53] <Langjan> something's happening now
[20:55] <Langjan> be back shortly
[20:55] <hamslaai> ok good
[20:58] <Langjan> Hi hamslaai, still no devices found!
[20:59] <hamslaai> just checked: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/models/officejet/officejet_6300_series.html
[21:01] <hamslaai> it has usb id of 1008:21265
[21:01] <hamslaai> try lsusb again
[21:01] <Langjan>  lsusb
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:01] <Langjan> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:02] <Langjan> Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:02] <Langjan> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 093a:2471 Pixart Imaging, Inc. SoC PC-Camera
[21:02] <Langjan> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046e:52c5 Behavior Tech. Computer Corp. 
[21:02] <hamslaai> what computer do you have ?
[21:02] <hamslaai> which distro ?
[21:02] <Langjan> Ubuntu 12.04
[21:02] <hamslaai> do you use a usb hub ?
[21:03] <Langjan> usb hub?
[21:03] <hamslaai> ok no hub
[21:04] <hamslaai> how manny usn ports on your computer ?
[21:04] <hamslaai> sorry usb ports
[21:05] <Langjan> 2 front and 4 back
[21:05] <hamslaai> ok - is the usb cable connected to the back ?
[21:05] <Langjan> yes
[21:06] <hamslaai> is there an active led for the printer usb port ?
[21:06] <Langjan> no
[21:07] <hamslaai> let me read the guide again - stand by
[21:10] <hamslaai> the usb port on the printer is next to the network port- correct ?
[21:11] <Langjan> correct
[21:11] <hamslaai> the network cable is disconnected - correct ?
[21:12] <Langjan> yes, the usb cable fits in the same socket
[21:12] <hamslaai> what !?
[21:12] <hamslaai> there should be two sockets 
[21:13] <hamslaai> one for usb and one for network
[21:14] <hamslaai> make sure the usb cable is connected to usb socket
[21:14] <hamslaai> will send screenshot via email
[21:15] <Langjan> the yellow cable is for the ethernet network, the grey is the printer (now disconnected and replaced by USB) 
[21:16] <hamslaai> email sent
[21:17] <hamslaai> what colour is the usb cable ?
[21:19] <Langjan> sorry no, the usb cable is blue, is adjacent to (now disconnected) ethernet cable  
[21:20] <hamslaai> ok - am sending setup guide
[21:21] <Langjan> thanks for diagram, connection is correct
[21:21] <hamslaai> so usb (blue cable) is connected to usb socket on the printer - correct ?
[21:22] <Langjan> correct
[21:22] <hamslaai> also usb (blue cable) is connected to usb socket on computer - correct ?
[21:22] <Langjan> correct
[21:23] <hamslaai> printer is switched on ?
[21:23] <Langjan> yes, printer is on, checked usb socket via flash drive, is functional
[21:23] <hamslaai> then this should work !?
[21:24] <hamslaai> the hp site affirms it is suported in 12.04
[21:24] <hamslaai> via usb i mean
[21:25] <hamslaai> are all old printer settings removed ?
[21:25] <hamslaai> both pc and printer have been rebooted with us connected ?
[21:25] <hamslaai> sorru usb
[21:26] <hamslaai> damn one finger typimg
[21:26] <Langjan> Let me try reboot on both again?
[21:26] <hamslaai> lsusb shuold report it
[21:27] <hamslaai> is your username part of the admin group ?
[21:27] <hamslaai> try "sudo adduser username sudo"
[21:27] <hamslaai> username is your username
[21:28] <Langjan> done
[21:28] <hamslaai> type "groups" to see which groups you are a part of
[21:29] <Langjan> jan adm lp dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[21:29] <hamslaai> ok - send me a new lsusb output
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 003 Device 002: ID 093a:2471 Pixart Imaging, Inc. SoC PC-Camera
[21:30] <Langjan> Bus 004 Device 002: ID 046e:52c5 Behavior Tech. Computer Corp. 
[21:31] <hamslaai> does the setup guide i sent you depict the correct printer ?
[21:31] <Langjan> yes
[21:32] <Langjan> hamslaai, I hate to do this, but can we continue at a later stage when it suits you ?
[21:32] <hamslaai> ok - no problem - send me a gmail
[21:32] <Langjan> Many thanks, I really appreciate your trouble and help.
[21:33] <hamslaai> A pleasure - have a good night
[21:33] <Langjan> God bless and may you have a restful night.
[21:33] <Langjan> Thanks
[21:33] <hamslaai> Thx
[21:33] <hamslaai> Bye
[21:33] <Langjan> Bye