[01:47] <mighty_aboba> len-dt, hi
[01:47] <mighty_aboba> I did what you sad
[01:49] <mighty_aboba> Now if the jackd stops with errors I'm killing jackdbus and on new launch of qjackctl
[01:49] <mighty_aboba> All ok
[01:49] <mighty_aboba> Jackd starts well
[01:50] <Len-nb> mighty_aboba, Glad it works now.
[01:50] <mighty_aboba> thanks for advices)
[01:51] <mighty_aboba> maybe
[01:51] <mighty_aboba> somehow
[01:51] <Len-nb> I'm just learning so much... myself.
[01:53] <mighty_aboba> could I to do some script?
[01:53] <mighty_aboba> or in qjackctl preferences
[01:54] <Len-nb> Script to do what?
[01:55] <mighty_aboba> could I write "kill jackdbus auto" on exit scenario?
[01:55] <mighty_aboba> Script for jackdbus process killing
[01:57] <mighty_aboba> In order to kill jackdbus process not manually
[01:58] <Len-nb> yes.... on the settings panel for qjackctl the second tab (options) there are four times a script can be run. before starting, after starting, bfore stopping and after stopping.
[01:58] <Len-nb> I use after starting to start a2jmidid for example.
[01:59] <mighty_aboba> What is the right command for the jackdbus killing?
[02:00] <Len-nb> jack_control exit  should work.
[02:01] <Len-nb> or if all else fails killall -9 jackdbus
[02:01] <mighty_aboba> Thanks again :)
[02:02] <Len-nb> let me know how it goes.
[02:02] <mighty_aboba> Ok ;)
[02:02] <Len-nb> you may have to use the before stopping option.
[02:06] <mighty_aboba> is it the third option? All captions of the menu and preferences are translated on Russian)
[02:06] <mighty_aboba> I have
[02:06] <Len-nb> Should be the third.
[02:20] <mighty_aboba> Yes, jack_control exit is work
[02:21] <mighty_aboba> But if I choose the fourth option
[02:21] <mighty_aboba> After exit
[02:21] <mighty_aboba> And
[02:22] <mighty_aboba> I have the errors when I'm stoping jack anyway
[02:24] <mighty_aboba> and the start button is locked
[02:24] <mighty_aboba> But now
[02:26] <mighty_aboba> I can to press exit button and launch the
[02:26] <mighty_aboba> launch the qjackctl and jackd normally
[02:29] <mighty_aboba> I think it is the working decision until the bug fix
[02:29] <mighty_aboba> )
[02:31] <Len-nb> That is what I found when I tried it just now too.
[02:31] <mighty_aboba> :-)
[02:32] <Len-nb> I am just now figguring out how to put my netbook into "performance mode"
[02:33] <Len-nb> It wants to run at half speed most of the time.
[02:35] <mighty_aboba> Do you have juppiter applet?
[02:35] <mighty_aboba> Jupiter*
[02:36] <mighty_aboba> https://launchpad.net/~webupd8team/+archive/jupiter
[02:38] <mighty_aboba> Maybe this can help
[02:43] <Len-nb> looking
[02:46] <Len-nb> Probably more than I need. I set cpufreq governing to performance in rc.local... just found out the process that sets it to ondemand waits 60 seconds to give the user time to log in... So I have to set my script to wait longer.
[02:47] <Len-nb> Actually, I am setting up runlevel 3 to stop processes that might interfere with audio work.
[02:48] <Len-nb> The idea is to be able to switch to a high performance mode at will.
[14:14] <mighty_aboba> is somebody trying to install new xfce 4.10?
[14:31] <stilbene> Hi
[14:31] <stilbene> Does anyone know how to put ubuntustudio on a USB and get persistence to work?
[14:33] <stilbene> I made a liveUSB of it and I really like it, but the casper stuff doesn't do anything
[14:34] <holstein> stilbene: i would just install to the USB
[14:35] <stilbene> whaddya mean?
[14:35] <holstein> i put GRUB on the USB, and choose it from the bios just like i would a live USB
[14:35] <holstein> its persistent
[14:35] <holstein> and its a full install on an ext partition
[14:38] <holstein> stilbene: you get me?
[14:38] <stilbene> um
[14:39] <stilbene> oh
[14:39] <holstein> just do a normal install choosing the USB drive as the destination, putting GRUB there on the USB stick
[14:39] <stilbene> so you actually burn a cd and install FROM that TO the USB?
[14:39] <holstein> stilbene: you can install from whatever media you want
[14:39] <holstein> CD.. another USB... some other hard drive
[14:39] <holstein> the install destination is what im discussing
[14:40] <stilbene> but basically I run the liveCD and use the install button to install it to the USB?
[14:40] <holstein> stilbene: you choose the USB stick as the installation destination
[14:41] <holstein> stilbene: however you choose to do that is up to you
[14:41] <stilbene> ok
[14:41] <holstein> i would consider not having swap
[14:41] <stilbene> do I need to use gparted on the thumbdrive before I click the install button?
[14:42] <holstein> stilbene: if you'd like
[14:42] <holstein> stilbene: if you want to do some tasks with gparted that you feel the installation partitioner wont handle
[14:43] <stilbene> k
[14:43] <stilbene> thanks
[14:43] <stilbene> I'll try that
[15:11] <toodiesel> hey all, i'm running xinerama on 2 monitors and if my mouse speed is fast when switching screens (right to left), the mouse is placed all the way to the left of the left screen, but if i go slow, it will act "normally"
[15:11] <holstein> toodiesel: i dont follow
[15:11] <holstein> toodiesel: is this 12.04?
[15:12] <toodiesel> yes
[15:12] <holstein> you can try #xubuntu or #ubuntu if you dont get an answer here
[15:13] <toodiesel> holstein: thanks, i'll try there
[15:13] <holstein> toodiesel: feel free and elaborate here though
[15:13] <holstein> toodiesel: i just dont know what you mean
[15:13] <toodiesel> ahh, ok
[15:13] <holstein> sounds like a hardware glitch to me
[15:13] <toodiesel> i'm running two monitors
[15:13] <toodiesel> and when i get to the left edge of my right monitor, i want the mouse to appear on the right of the left monitor
[15:13] <toodiesel> which it does, when i move the mouse really slow
[15:14] <holstein> toodiesel: i would review the config you are using
[15:14] <holstein> i would try a different mousc
[15:14] <toodiesel> but if i move it with any quickness, it goes all the way to the left
[15:14] <holstein> mouse*
[15:14] <holstein> i would load up a live CD, and try arandr
[15:14] <holstein> i would try and get the hardware out of the equation, then the config you have
[15:15] <toodiesel> holstein: thanks, will try randr , i'm using the amdcccle software now for everything, had randr on previous config and was working
[15:15] <toodiesel> holstein: thanks
[17:13] <MaynardWaters> hey guys, I installed ubuntu studio from repos on top of a 11.04 clean install. I have jack working and I can open ardoir files which I created on another computer.  I am trying to get a) more info about installing the lowlatancy-kernel ( have used https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel  which provides the ppa, but I was unable to actually install the kernel from the ppa.  any advice is welcome.   b) I 
[17:15] <mighty_aboba> do you want to install realtime or lowlatency?
[17:15] <mighty_aboba> In 12.04 lowlatency is default kernel
[17:15] <MaynardWaters> according to my research lowlatency is the better choice for me
[17:15] <mighty_aboba> try uname -r
[17:15] <MaynardWaters> i like 11.04 it has been much nicer to me than 12
[17:16] <mighty_aboba> i think it is matter of habit :)
[17:17] <MaynardWaters> uname -r returns 2.6.38-15-generic
[17:17] <MaynardWaters> mighty_aboba: what habit?
[17:17] <holstein> whats wrong with the generic one?
[17:17] <holstein> i suggest trying it, and moving on if you need lower latency, which most folks dont
[17:18] <MaynardWaters> it works ok, but I am trying to get a top notch recording DAW off the ground, and that requires lowlatency
[17:18] <holstein> MaynardWaters: it actually doesnt
[17:18] <holstein> but, if you need it, you need it
[17:18] <MaynardWaters> holstein: i have been trying it and it works ok, I want to try to make it work better
[17:18] <holstein> MaynardWaters: it wont work better
[17:18] <holstein> it will only give you lower latency
[17:19] <holstein> and that is either something you need or not
[17:19] <holstein> otherwise, its a waste of time
[17:19] <MaynardWaters> holstein: you have experience with the these kernels?  are they all THAT buggy?
[17:19] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i didnt say buggy
[17:19] <holstein> i said waste of time
[17:19] <MaynardWaters> you just dont see enough improvement to warrent the effort then?
[17:19] <holstein> MaynardWaters: depends on the purpose
[17:20] <mighty_aboba> MaynardWaters: what is you native language?
[17:20] <holstein> if its a live midi synth rig, or a live effects processiong rig, then you need low latency
[17:20] <holstein> otherwise, who cares what the latency is
[17:20] <holstein> i use different profiles with JACK to have either 1.2ms latency, or sometimes 80+ms
[17:20] <MaynardWaters> I would like to eventually have 8+ channels recording at the same time with pthe possibility of additional effects getting through into the mix
[17:21] <holstein> i almost always have the 80+ profile in use
[17:21] <MaynardWaters> holstein:  yes I want it to be a live play toy
[17:21] <holstein> MaynardWaters: then you need it
[17:21] <holstein> MaynardWaters: but you'll need around 10ms
[17:21] <MaynardWaters> ok, now that I have shown that I need it will you help me with it?
[17:22] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i think its unrealistic to do software effects like that
[17:22] <MaynardWaters> holstein: can I ask we try to tackle the simpler problem first
[17:22] <holstein> MaynardWaters: most studio's dont use the software to monitor like that
[17:22] <holstein> i hate it
[17:22] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i dont see any problems.. but whats up?
[17:23] <holstein> i think monitoring with the software like that is a bad idea
[17:23] <holstein> and its more about the gear than the software
[17:23] <holstein> linux/JACK/ardour is *not* magic
[17:23] <MaynardWaters> well my primary problem is ladspa
[17:23] <holstein> i think you would have a good change using linux to get that going on, but its just not practical
[17:23] <holstein> nor is it neccessary
[17:24] <MaynardWaters> a good cahnge  using linux?
[17:24] <holstein> chance*
[17:24] <holstein> more so than with other OS's potentially/arguably
[17:24] <MaynardWaters> ok, so lets focus on ladspa
[17:25] <MaynardWaters> synaptic package manager shows it to be installed
[17:26] <MaynardWaters> so I create a new bus in ardour, and I want to add some effects, but when i right click and look for the effects, it is empty
[17:26] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i would try the 12.04 version live
[17:26] <holstein> see if all that is "just working"
[17:27] <holstein> you can ask in #ardour ,but the first thing will be to go and download from the ardour site the recent version and install
[17:27] <MaynardWaters> holstein: i am very happy with a number of things I have working on this 11.04 install, I want to stick with it. do you have any suggestions that can help me figure out why the effects are showing up or why swh-plugins (Steve Harris's ladspa plugins arent recognized
[17:28] <MaynardWaters> good idea.
[17:28] <holstein> MaynardWaters: if you just "try 12.04 live" then you might gather some helpful information
[17:28] <holstein> you can stay with 11.04 as long as you like past EOL which is actually not too far off :)
[17:29] <MaynardWaters> holstein: I'll consider 12+ once I have exhausted efforts on my 11.04 install
[17:29] <holstein> MaynardWaters: you dont even need to consider it
[17:30] <holstein> MaynardWaters: you can just literally load it up as a troubleshooting step
[17:30] <holstein> you can just as well try AVlinux live...
[17:31] <holstein> yeah.. automation is not where to go... seablade will sort you out :)
[17:31] <holstein> you wont see automation for plugins since you havent added any yet
[17:34] <MaynardWaters> holstein: yea, it was just my miss understanding of how it worked.  but thanks for the help
[17:44] <nutate> hey yo
[17:45] <nutate> 12.04 64 bit ... wineasio ... ableton ... so close, yet so far
[17:49] <MaynardWaters> holstein: are you the same from macumbista.net?
[18:09] <MaynardWaters> nutate: you are trying to get ableton working on wine?!  major props. do you have any documentation to follow?
[18:14] <nutate> mmm
[18:14] <nutate> just ... double clicked it practically
[18:14] <nutate> problem is I actually authorized it... before I had WineASIO working
[18:16] <nutate> but it does work
[18:16] <nutate> just with maybe a 500ms latency
[18:16] <nutate> maybe less
[18:16] <nutate> and i have fglrx, with fasttls off
[18:18] <nutate> MaynardWaters, <<< sorry, didn't mention your nick, just in case you aren't afk
[18:19] <holstein> nutate: you could try #kxstudio ...i know a few folks there were into wine
[18:19] <holstein> i personally suggest the native tools
[18:19] <nutate> until bitwig is out, there is nothing like ableton
[18:19] <nutate> not to mention i own it
[18:20] <holstein> MaynardWaters: i didnt know about macumbista :)
[18:20] <holstein> nutate: cool! good luck.. have you check wineHQ?
[18:20] <holstein> checked*
[18:20] <holstein> i assume you've asked ableton for linux support officially as well
[18:21] <nutate> holstein, ya, it's close... I'm at the point where I'm 99% certain it would work on a 32 bit install
[18:21] <holstein> theres nothing that would keep me froma 32bit install over a 64
[18:21] <holstein> not for audio production
[18:21] <nutate> holstein, hah, not sure if i ever asked ableton directly about it... but i may have to if i have to request another unlock code
[18:21] <nutate> holstein, so you are saying 32 bit for audio
[18:22] <holstein> nutate: you should let them know that the product you purchased is not appropriately designed for your needs
[18:22] <nutate> holstein, well... i have like 2 macs and had a hackintosh
[18:22] <holstein> nutate: im saying if i needed something that required 32bit, i wouldnt lose any sleep over it
[18:22] <nutate> right
[18:23] <nutate> holstein, i've been in the Linux game pre amd64
[18:23] <holstein> i would just run the software as its intended then
[18:23] <nutate> my macs are old... :D
[18:23] <holstein> or try learning/using native tools
[18:23] <nutate> plus it really runs fine, just the asio issue
[18:24] <holstein> you can ask in #kxstudio as i suggested, or #opensourcemusicians
[18:24] <nutate> i've recorded 2 songs in ardour over the past 10 years
[18:24] <nutate> about 10 in ableton over the last 3
[18:24] <holstein> i think its a question of what you want to do, and how
[18:24] <nutate> i just find there isn't anything comparable to the ableton workflow
[18:24] <holstein> nutate: why should there be?
[18:25] <holstein> nutate: im just saying you *can* get things done with the native tools
[18:25] <nutate> holstein, well when bitwig.com releases, then there will be a 3 platform solution
[18:25] <holstein> potentially
[18:26] <holstein> its not going to be ableton though
[18:26] <nutate> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V_t8GfH-v4&feature=plcp
[18:26] <nutate> it will arguably be better
[18:27] <holstein> thats really the biggest problem with any/all the FOSS tools, they are not X software that one is used to
[18:27] <nutate> holstein, i ardour and protools and reaper are nearly interchangeable as daws
[18:27] <holstein> nah
[18:27] <nutate> (and add logic)
[18:28] <nutate> comparable to ableton and those tools they are
[18:28] <holstein> ardour stable doesnt have MIDI support
[18:28] <nutate> ardour is a subset of protools
[18:28] <holstein> i personally dont need them to be "interchangeable"
[18:28] <holstein> nutate: i dont see it that way
[18:29] <MaynardWaters> holstein, you seem to know about all the best FOSS musician irc hangouts
[18:31] <holstein> MaynardWaters: its not my first day :)
[18:31] <holstein> nutate: have you looked at openoctave?
[18:31] <holstein> http://www.openoctave.org/
[18:32] <MaynardWaters> nutate: will bitwig be open?
[18:32] <nutate> not until just now
[18:33] <nutate> MaynardWaters, not afaik
[18:33] <nutate> Here is a song I did in ableton: http://soundcloud.com/rseymour/back-to-back
[18:34] <nutate> somewhere i have one i did in ardour... but ardour acts more like a tape machine (with no midi)
[18:34] <holstein> nutate: nice
[18:34] <holstein> nutate: ardour3 has midi
[18:34] <holstein> nutate: with JACK, you just use what you like with ardour... rosegarden
[18:35] <holstein> i think most of the electronic guys i know dig qtractor
[18:35] <holstein> nutate: i could make that track without a computer though
[18:35] <holstein> nutate: i mean, im not dogging it at all.. im just questioning if you are offering it as an example of something "only ableton can do"
[18:36] <holstein> sounds great, if not a bit overloaded
[18:36] <holstein> http://pneuman.bandcamp.com/
[18:36] <nutate> let me make it as quickly
[18:36] <holstein> ^ that is my friend [lsd] 's stuff
[18:36] <holstein> he uses ubuntu and FOSS tools
[18:36] <holstein> you can find him in #opensourcemusicians
[18:37] <holstein> you might be interested in http://wootangent.net/category/linux/ from his stie
[18:37] <holstein> site*
[18:37] <nutate> all instrumental?
[18:37] <holstein> nutate: some have vocals
[18:37] <nutate> (incidentally i made that track for the rpm challenge too)
[18:37] <holstein> cool
[18:37] <holstein> this was mine... http://holstein.bandcamp.com/
[18:38] <holstein> *my RPM challenge
[18:38] <holstein> i feel like you can develop chops with any software
[18:38] <holstein> when i was using cubase, i had gotten a handle on the workflow
[18:38] <nutate> http://music.clark8.com/ < honestly not sure which one of these i did on ardour
[18:38] <holstein> when i went to ardour, there was an obvious learning curve
[18:39] <holstein> i feel like with JACK and the foss tools, there is *no* comparision for what can be done
[18:39] <holstein> the limiations are literally my skill and my imagination
[18:39] <holstein> its all open, so thing else can stand in the way
[18:39] <nutate> for giggles, i went and looked up how far back i could go with playing around with linux audio: http://linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/lau/2003/2/26/93876
[18:40] <nutate> holstein, your skill would overwhelm anything a computer would do
[18:40] <nutate> holstein, nice playing
[18:40] <holstein> nutate: thanks :)
[18:41] <holstein> im just not that skilled at coding or super technical computer software issues
[18:41] <holstein> anyways.. lots of folks in that #opensourcemusicians community doing electronic music with FOSS :)
[18:42] <holstein> im going to go hop on my bike for a bit... thanks for sharing nutate
[18:42] <holstein> nice music!
[18:42] <nutate> heh, thanks, likewise... i gotta get working
[18:42] <nutate> have fun
[18:48] <mbeierl> Trying to figure out using jamin for mastering.  I use qtractor and the only way I seem to be able to use jamin is to play the tracks out from qtractor into jamin, then use the jamin out to record a new track in qtractor.  This must be done in real time.  Is there no bulk method?
[18:48] <nutate> as far as I can remember that's the only way to do it
[18:49] <nutate> in general that's how you master things tho
[18:51] <mbeierl> nutate, with dedicated hardware (I'm coming from a Boss BR-600) sure, but with software I would have thought there would be a quicker way to stream the data without having to play it.  Kinda like how you can rip audio of a CD at 32x vs. playing the audio into a capture device and recording the WAV off of that...
[18:51] <mbeierl>  nutate, but thanks for the confirmation.  It'll save me time trying to do what probably is not reasonably done
[18:54] <nutate> i'm just recalling from ages ago... you could search for rendering from jamin
[21:54] <mrfre> i'm having trouble getting my usb wireless network device to connect
[21:54] <mrfre> using ndiswrapper and it see's the hardware
[21:54] <mrfre> present
[21:56] <mrfre> ubuntustudio 11.04
[21:58] <holstein> MaynardWaters: do you have a windows driver?
[21:59] <holstein> im about to head out mrfre , but you can use #ubuntu for that
[21:59] <holstein> its not "studio" specific
[21:59] <mrfre> yes
[21:59] <mrfre> ok
[22:00] <mrfre> its just not showing up in my netowrk connections
[22:00] <mrfre> you say its an ubuntu channel problem?
[22:00] <mrfre> *problem for the ubuntu channel
[22:52] <MaynardWaters> holstein: for?
[22:53] <MaynardWaters> whats the machine mr...goine