[00:01] <knome> nighty!
[00:10] <pleia2> in flavors testcases session
[00:19] <pleia2> yay, michag is here too
[00:19] <pleia2> micahg too
[00:21]  * Unit193 starts to go to the slow site.
[00:35] <Unit193> pleia2: You have a link of how the automated ISO test works is?  There was a video session about it earlier and I was only paying half attention. :/
[00:36] <pleia2> Unit193: this is what was mentioned at the plenary: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/AutomatedTesting/UbuntuAutomationTestHarness
[00:37] <Unit193> Thanks.
[00:39] <pleia2> just talked to micahg, I'll email him a link to the current dev wiki that needs love and he'll work to edit and consolidate
[00:39]  * pleia2 wanders out to lobby
[00:41] <Unit193> Right, I'll have to hunt down answers for my idiot questions. :P
[04:21] <astraljava> Yes, thank you! Can we please, PLEASE, get that factoid renamed? Now even users are complaining about it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/981070/
[04:44] <cody-somerville> astraljava, no.
[04:45] <astraljava> Fine.
[08:36] <mr_pouit> yeah, +1 to change the factoid name, it's misleading
[08:36] <Unit193> As well as purelxde, puregnome, and purekde? ;)
[08:38] <mr_pouit> no idea for them, but we have to carry a few patches anyway, and use some non default configure flags, so that's not a "pure xfce" ;-)
[08:39] <ochosi> +1
[09:06] <mr_pouit> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-settings/appearance << search for "LCD Hinting"
[09:06] <mr_pouit> we might want to add that to our faq (it's in 4.10, but I backported this part to our package)
[09:07] <mr_pouit> I read some complaints about the fonts that don't look good, and I guess it's solved when people set this key to lcddefault
[09:08] <mr_pouit> (although it should only affect people who upgrade, since otherwise xubuntu-default-settings use lcddefault)
[09:18] <knome> another alternative is to edit the factoid and emphasize more that the solution is for "clean xubuntu", and that if they wanted "pure xfce", they'd need to do something else or that this isn't available
[09:28] <knome> who is running psychocats.net anyway? could we ask *them* to add a paragraph about not being "pure xfce" too
[09:28] <knome> i mean, the page is clearly saying "remove kubuntu" etc., but still weirdly, getting to "pure xfce"
[09:29] <ochosi> why not link that factoid to a page in the ubuntu-wiki instead?
[09:30] <ochosi> i mean we never know when psychocats decides when to take the site down
[09:30] <ochosi> and then it's just a link to a 404
[09:30] <knome> do you want to maintain the page? :]
[09:30] <ochosi> not really :)
[09:30] <ochosi> at least not if you want me to do artwork stuff
[09:30] <knome> it doesn't seem to be very probable that he *is* taking it down
[09:31] <knome> and if he does, we can just remove the factoid then
[09:31] <ochosi> well then ask the guy whether he wants to maintain the page in the wiki
[09:31] <ochosi> :)
[09:31] <knome> :|
[09:31]  * knome doesn't want any more stuff in the wiki now that he cleaned it up
[09:31] <ochosi> hehe
[09:31] <knome> imo this site is completely *fine*
[09:32] <knome> we can just edit the factoid and that's fine
[09:32] <knome> but if the site owner could add a notification too, that would be great
[09:32] <ochosi> what notification?
[09:33] <knome> that it isn't really "pure xfce" they are getting but "pure xubuntu"
[09:34] <knome> ooh, btw!
[09:34] <knome> woot
[09:34] <knome> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce redirects to http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexubuntu !
[09:34] <knome> just the page title is wrong
[09:35] <knome> kde -> kubuntu etc
[09:47] <Unit193> And, wiki.ubuntu.com lags/fails/is slow all the time, the site isn't as bad. :P
[09:56] <knome> yeah, that too
[09:56] <knome> help.ubuntu.com maybe...
[12:30] <knome> is it possible to control the thunar folder view (eg. zoom) per-folder?
[12:31] <knome> also, is there any way i could increase the max thumbnail size?
[12:33] <ochosi> ad 1) no
[12:34] <ochosi> ad 2) what exactly do you mean, res of thumbnails or of their display-size in thunar?
[12:37] <mr_pouit> 1) you could, but you'd need to store the view settings somewhere (e.g. in the gfile metadata for each folder). No idea of the impact on perfs.
[12:38] <ochosi> mr_pouit: iirc jannis was always really opposed to that idea, so it'd need some other thunar maintainer (or a xubuntu-patch) :)
[12:38] <mr_pouit> yes (and I don't intend to patch :p)
[12:39] <mr_pouit> I've only played with gio metadata for emblems (so that nautilus and thunar would share them, e.g. ubuntu-one emblems would be visible in thunar)
[12:41] <ochosi> hmm, yeah, that would be nice i guess
[12:42] <ochosi> i still don't like the position of the emblems a lot
[12:42] <mr_pouit> (but that was rather hackish https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8055)
[12:43] <mr_pouit> thanks for your contribution ubottu 
[12:43] <ochosi> :)
[12:43] <ochosi> mr_pouit: btw, i wanted to ask you whether you have a clue how to query xfconf best from python or vala
[12:44] <ochosi> sean davis (the bugreporter) is working on that keyboard-shortcuts overlay thingy
[12:45] <mr_pouit> you have the c api, and you can also call xfconf-query, but that's ugly and inefficient
[12:45] <ochosi> yeah, i guess so
[12:45] <ochosi> the other way would be to use an xml parser
[12:45] <ochosi> but that's also fugly
[12:45] <ochosi> so c/vala would be the best way then
[12:46] <mr_pouit> yep
[12:46] <ochosi> mkay, i don't think that'll make him happy, but hey.. :)
[12:47] <mr_pouit> (with the c api, you can also bind an object property to the xfconf property, and any change is reflected in both directions)
[12:48] <mr_pouit> unfortunately there are no bindings for other languages
[12:49] <mr_pouit> (or they are outdated)
[12:49] <ochosi> yeah. there were python bindings, but i thing they're dated
[14:17] <ochosi> slowly getting blackbird into shape... http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-05112012-041735pm.php
[14:23] <bluesabre> still looking awesome
[14:26] <ochosi> bluesabre: thanks. just fixed the treeview headers right now
[14:30] <ochosi> btw, i think porting to vala might really be the most sensible thing to do for the shortcuts-overlay
[14:30] <bluesabre> yeah, I've been working on the vala stuff
[14:30] <ochosi> c bindings are the most efficient way of accessing xfconf (as expected)
[14:56] <ochosi> blackbird's gtk2 theme is ready for some testing now, i'm mainly interested whether the colours work for you guys: https://github.com/shimmerproject/Blackbird
[14:57] <ochosi> i'm away for the weekend, have fun everyone!
[20:43] <GridCube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin/+bug/998233